Topic: Laissez Faire City (a BFL connection(?), et al.) (Read 6779 times)

yeah, i found that, too.  u see?  no tech background on there.  i think he's just leaving it off.

Read his Bio here: http://www.westmiller.com/family/ww_biog.htm

Gleb, yes those connections definitely check out.  just the presented skillset doesn't check out.  he's probably not listing his technical capabilities and that related history.  seems to be more politically oriented, so the tech history can be dropped.  it's too much of a coincidence that this is a different guy from the guy i worked with.  even taking into consideration the nearly 20 years of memory fade, chances are there wouldn't be two different people who looked that similar, associated with my experiences with DMT, LFC, Orlin, in CR, during that time frame.  Gotta be the guy.  I've pinged him, haven't heard back  I don't know about all the follow on stories, but he was a good guy to work with, and I found him to be decent and real in the week I spent with him.  Hopefully he'll ping me back, at least to catch up on things.

There is a connection to Grabbe and 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/19990428164419/http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.2/Future_and.html

Gleb, wow - checked out the twitter link and followed some links from here.  also found him on linkedin.  it looks like him (the photo), but the background doesn't match up.  the guy i was working with was quite technical -- worked on the linux kernel, patented data networks over power infrastructure in the UK, and we worked deep in the DMT java code.  all the info i found online doesn't show any of that technical history.

Dude, don't you want the surprise first? His email address was gleaned from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2702979 ([email protected]) Why was he using Rex at the time when that moniker was contributed to James Ray Houston, Sonny's real dad?

yeah, that's him.  i'll call you later this weekend, but gotta run for now.  thanks for the info.

Wait, Westmiller is the guy you were looking for? haxaw? Boy, do I have a surprise for you if he is.

Haha, yeah - a deep rabbit hole it is. 

A bunch of us conjecture on whether Orlin is still alive, or not.  We had a wake for Orlin in NYC, can't recall exactly when, sometime in the '00s.  There was about a dozen of us, having drinks in the east village, sharing memories of Orlin.  But no one knew if he was actually dead.  No one saw a body or any proof.  So when bitcoin spun up, and all the questions about who really is Satoshi, we would joke that Orlin is Satoshi.  I dunno, man - it's possible.

Hey, that's it!  Westmiller, that's the guy!  I'll have to ping him on LI.  At least to thank him for intro'ing me to Rusty Nails. LOL  Thanks man!

No, I wasn't down there. Do you recall a dude named Jeff Ownby while you were there? I believe I can give you a lead on Nova. At one time I leaned toward her being one of Sonny's girlfriends.

Here's a weird question: Do you think that Orlin is really dead? I'll PM you my Nova lead. I'm hunting it now.

EDIT: Does this person ring a bell? https://twitter.com/wwestmiller

EDIT: May be a dead end on Nova. Mixed her up with Gino but still looking.

EDIT: And fuck you for bringing down this rabbit hole again after once spending hundreds of hours researching LFC et al. 

Hi Gleb,  I'm not Sonny.  I was a friend of Orlin's before LFC.  He and I worked on systems for capital markets together and he brought me into a project at LFC to build a web-based client for DMT.  I visited the Costa Rica campus for about a week, I think back in '99 or thereabouts. 

Met a bunch of folks down there and stayed with a guy known as haxaw -- had a lot of late nights drinking rusty nails.  LOL  My team and I worked on the project remotely after that, our codenames were Mr. Black (me), Mr. White, Mr. Blue.  I'm trying to see if I can reconnect with haxaw, but I never knew his real name.  He's probably in his 50s or 60s now, and all I know is that he worked on the Linux kernel with Linus in the early days, and he also patented data networking over electrical power infrastructure in the UK. You'd think I could find him with that info, but it's been a while and the scent is fading. 

Did I meet you down there in CR?  You probably wouldn't recall me, was just there for a brief time.  I remember a girl down there who went by the codename Nova.  She came to pick me up at the airport.  You remember her?  I guess I'm just trying to piece together recollections and reconnect with folks and see if there's a connection between DMT and the early concepts of bitcoin.  There's some mythology building that some of the DMT team are actually Satoshi.  Who knows.  Could be a good movie in there somewhere.

Hey Sonny, just did the math on that...$1.6 million today

hope you and Josh are sleeping well, I am not the only one.

Hello, Sonny Vleisides, how you've been?

If you're not Sonny, then call me at 702-981-5600.

I worked on the web-based version of DMT around 1999-2001.  Great group of people down there.  I was friends with Orlin before LFC and DMT, visionary guy.  There's a lot of negative commentary on this thread about LFC and DMT.  I didn't see that.  Knowing Orlin, and what I saw in CR, they were a committed group with strong convictions working to do good.  No one was trying to rip anyone off.  The whole concept was ahead of its time.  Definitely a precursor to BTC, perhaps a direct connection through some of the team members, not sure.  I was not part of the core team, more of a mercenary to bang out code and get parts of the system built.

I'd really like to reconnect with any of the CR team from the old Nicaraguan embassy. Especially haxaw - if you get this, please ping me.

Hey, James, how much longer are you going to go by your dead father's name?

ref.:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=eufaula&id=I1708
https://analytx.co/shortercemetery.org.html
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=86312654
https://www.bizapedia.com/al/friends-of-shorter-cemetery-inc.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Frank_Mottley&oldid=306622418 (dad had yet to decompose)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ripple_(payment_protocol)&oldid=661889597
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9131875 ([email protected])

+1

Damn good post! (seriously)


As far as the above sentence in my sig is concerned, I borrowed it from Matthew N. Wright: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1094337

Overall, you nailed how I go about things rather well. I honestly didn't realize that that's I how go about the things you mention. On rare occasions I was conscience of pulling only selected content to further some concern, but now see that I probably did it more than I thought.

I have no intention of deleting any posts, but truly look forward to reading the pointing out of errors and your suggestions on cleaning this up.

That said, I like you, Robert. Feel free to put me on my paper anytime in the same non-abusive tone as above, and I promise to not get into a dung tossing contest with you, for I feel it would be a losing battle on my part.

Peace, bud.

~Bruno~

Can't believe I missed this thread.   I was searching to see to what extent Orlin Grabbe has been mention on this forum, and was going to post this link to his seminal essay "The End of Ordinary Money," which I thought would be interesting to some people here (although no doubt kind of quaint from a technological perspective, given its age.)   

Today would have been Grabbe's birthday.   He is missed. 


Frank

Re: the slogan currently set in your profile:
"My job is to uncover the truth and be unwavering, even in the light of louder voices and big business."

The CliffsNotes response: You are doing this self-appointed job badly. The way you have been posting anything you find as a 'stream of consciousness' without much filtering, but with interpretation by you, needs to stop.

The Long Response:

Just restricting this analysis to your recent posts about LFCity, what I find fascinating about your choice of sources, is that instead of linking to the small number of high quality articles available on the web, you concentrated on the trashy, deliberately misleading posts spewed in several places during 2002-2005 by disinfo agent 'Witchdoc' AKA 'Simon Jester' AKA 'uppity' (AKA several other aliases).

However, having lurked here at Bitcointalk for a few months, and getting a feel for how this place has been developing, unfortunately it's not surprising.

Applying the old joke to this board: Bitcointalk posters require no physical fitness program. Everyone gets enough exercise jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, knifing friends in the back, dodging responsibility and pushing their luck.

1. Your current 'stream of consciousness' style makes it difficult to sift valid information from the irrelevant or most worrying of all, the unproven and false.

2. Reposting user-generated content from other boards without understanding - or perhaps caring about - the difference between alleged facts and checked out facts, but with the addition of your own interpretation, will get you into all kinds of trouble (both reputational and legal).

Those who use open-source intelligence understand the difference between alleged and checked out facts, and set a high bar to ensure that 'raw' alleged facts are not published.

3. The Bitcointalk community is toxic enough as it is, without adding libellous materials from other places, or making new posts that due to the carelessness with which they have been constructed, make them afresh, and even mint new libellous assertions.

You have already stated false things in this thread. They are not only false but are likely to cause provable harm.

In my next post I will point out your specific libels in more detail. How you (and the board moderators) are going to deal with cleaning up afterwards is the subject for later discussion, i.e. simply deleting the original posts is probably not the correct way to deal with it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112249.msg1224772;topicseen#msg1224772   any connection to this ?

Hey, Robert. First off, I would like to thank you and Steve for joining the forum. (sincerely)

With all honesty, surely you know the ropes here, or will soon learn, that a myriad of paranoid fuckoids (colloquially speaking) reside here and, unfortunately, I may be becoming one.

To get it out of the way now, further down the road somebody may question how you got out of Newbie with only one post. I'm sure the answer lies in that you removed them for some reason. Feel free to use that when if it's ever bought up.

My post above was not meant as a joke, but to bring awareness to the facts as they were first known to me at the time. I started the long thread without even knowing the connection between you and Dr.Steve existed until after I posted the reply post to your suggestion which, BTW, was kindly appreciated, not even then making the connection of your low post count and that this thread in not in Newbie. But enough about all that low post count BS.

Neither of my posts after your post above was of a joking nature. They were published all in good faith--to let the community know stuff no matter how mundane. Yes, when I decided to pen the comparison post above, it was done to show that possibly a sock puppet may be in play here. Personally, I do have a slight doubt that that's the case, but nonetheless I felt it needed to be share and let the community decide.

My best suggestion to you is to not reply to this post, for that would bring further attention to yourself, whereupon others, and possibly myself, will start digging to see what, if any, connection could be made. Simply put, let my post here stand on its own, for if you knew my current track record, you'll know that my voice doesn't carry as far as it used to, but make the mistake of continuing the dialog, and sure enough another user or two will pick up the mantel and start looking for skeletons with fireplace poker in hand. Done of this is a threat of any kind but, unfortunately, a fact due to the human nature of certain members of this board, again myself sadly included.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I didn't have a reason to question your presence here one iota until I read the following:


It was when I read that I thought to myself you must have registered in May of this year, the same time as Dr.Steve. But that proved to not be the case. You registered after the first new mention of Laissez Faire City by me, penned while trying to make a connection between it and BFL.

I'm only stating facts, Robert, and again, at the moment, don't have any harsh words for either your or Dr.Steve.

That said, I felt it important to address you first before I go and pen an epic post connecting Josh W and Bitforce Consultancy (no smiley, for such an entity exists and you'll soon learn what the W stands for).

Peace, bro. (sincerely)

~Bruno~

It's a testament to the general quality of people posting here on Bitcointalk that you assume by default a new poster must be some kind of sockpuppet.

However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now, and assume good faith.

(If you were trying to crack a joke, well, best to do that in a separate post, and not in one where you are also trying to bring potentially serious accusations to light.)

And the important thing to take away from all of this is that the US Government are the biggest criminals of all.  They run all of the other criminals, from the scammers who prey on naive libertarians, to the hackers who have been attacking Bitcoin for the last year, to your local petty thieves and drug dealers, to all of the hilariously inept "terrorists" who plotted attacks on US soil, to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and in Libya and in Syria and anywhere else that the interests of the criminals in charge of the US government can be furthered.

They are on these forums.  They have been watching Bitcoin for a long time.  They have the resources and the motivation to plan for the long-term, and to create and operate seemingly legitimate businesses in furtherance of their interests.  And any of you who naively believe that the government is your friend, or the "good guys", and that they are going to let you in on their little money-printing racket and maybe even use your plucky start-up currency to fund their black-ops, should have his head examined.

We look forward to reading more about you. Glad you met up with Dr.Steve.




Note that the local times are the same, inferring that they're in the same time zone (western Europe), set their settings to simple reflect such, or there's a default setting I'm missing of which both didn't bother to set. Both last active only six minutes apart today.

Tomorrow I will prove that an Amish guy named Pinkiert Piepous built Rassah's coffee table.  

I wonder if the Dr. Steve mentioned here is the same as our Dr.Steve. (centered text is linked)


Or this one: http://www.offshorealert.com/WorkArea/threadeddisc/print_thread.aspx?id=60&g=posts&t=37064

Selected quotes, with emphasis mine, gleaned from http://web.archive.org/web/20021210112835/http://www.scamdog.com/freedom_projects/?view=laissez_faire_city