Topic: language difficulties (Read 488 times)

Local boards have their own functions, but most of real-time or fastest updated news often appeared in global boards at first.

Forum members, especially non-native English speakers, should prepare, and improve their English skills - particularly reading (first) then writing skills - which will obviously help them to be easierly catch ideas of others and also help them to have more efficient discussions in the forum.
It only should be used at the start because translational softwares might do something seriously wrong.
Therefore, forum members should do it themselves (of course, they should have good English skills).

Of course you can post in any local board if you know the language. You can only broaden your availability if you have a wide range of languages in your reach as it is against the rules to use translators to post in local boards.



Quoted from Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ by mprep

I think that is the reason why bitcoin talk is built in with local boards. It is open for any nationality. But is you wanted to communicate well, you should also try to improve your language. NOT that too good but a language that anyone could at least understand.
I think it is not a barrier as long as you try to understand it yourself by learning.

I think the poster is concerned that he does not know English very well, but most of the post are in English. So he is scared of missing some important information. I guess you can always use some translation site, free on the internet to assists you and can also use it to translate from your native language into English. But be careful because they translator sometimes  translates with grammar mistakes. So it is best to keep it simple to avoid serious errors.

Writing is much different than speaking, so I don't think you gave relevant solution for shame English-writers.
Your suggestion is more relevant for shame English speakers.

Your forum should have collections of Bitcointalk forum slangs, too.

I'm thinking of adding a teamspeak server to the Fit to Talk English project. It seems that some good members are still concerned about posting in English. I wondered if the chance to talk in English might help them. At least it would mean they wouldn't have to worry about spelling.

btw you can post in Binglish on FtT - that's Bit coin talk English, the Lingua Franca here.

The real big problem is we all can not do nothing to help them to write and publish higher quality threads if they won't change their attitude on the way the would like to use the forum first.
In a word, changing users' attitude is utmost thing.

There have been lots of topics on English books, tips/ guidelines to improve English and thread quality, but I believe there have been very limited forum members used them for learning and improving their writing skills. It's the fact.
One more time, attitude strongly affects their willing to use helpful resources to learn, and improve themselves.

why I do need to care if you leave your defaulted merit in the first place?

Lemme tell you a strory, once upon a time in a forum about Bitcoin when a lot of shitposter scattered all over the place mostly came from a local, there was a merit system been implemented through this people tend to post quality rather than posting nonsense to get the most promising activity to rank up.

Inside this story was you and me and everyone else in the forum a person begging for merit a person qualified to be merited through a good quality of post in which case was you, and a person who don't personally been affected by it just continue to be a member and so on.


I shall not only leave a skid marks but rather make a good graffiti on the road when time comes.

Thanks for the references to the Fit to Talk English project. This seems to be read quite a lot, but activity is reduced. The real idea behind it was for non-English speakers to have a go at posting in English, and we would help them to tidy up their posts. This doesn't seem to be happening at the moment, and it may be due to my neglect. It may also be due to the fact that members don't feel that their English is good enough. So let me tell you a story.

When I was learning to drive, three of us booked a course on a skid pan. The car was an old Austin with bald tyres, and the surface was covered with wet lime. The first of us who went on to the pan spent all his time avoiding skidding, and he made a very good job of it. The instructor told him that he had wasted his time, as he was there to learn how to control skids, and not how to avoid them. I must admit that I was a bit mad, and I hit a lot of tyres and cones, but I learnt a lot about skid recovery. So what is the moral of this story? When you are posting on the English language boards here, you need to avoid skidding in your post - ie. you need to use reasonable, fluent English that your readers can understand. When you are on the Fit to Talk skid pan, then you can hit all the English tyres and traffic cones you like, and we don't care if your post goes into a spin - well as long as you are trying to be constructive. We'll help you to keep your posting in a straight line, and avoid hitting the mod barriers here. If you want to avoid leaving skid marks in your posts, you need to learn the controls, and how to handle the English language.

I can judge who I want when I want and whatever way I want. How does that matter to you even if you are the one being judged? Or do you just feel bullyed when questioned about simple facts? Its obvious from your posts that your grasp of English is poor and that is why we have local boards. The forum does understand that people from different communities come here and to give them a place to chill there is the sections for local languages.

But seems like you are more interested in arguing with others than to seek the solution that has already been presented to you in this thread long back.

Personally, have you even seen the number of "Merits"  I have obtained leaving out the default 500merits after the merit system got introduced?

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Someone needs to look at them-self in a mirror.

thank you so much being into my post recently, its good to know someone waiting for every thread and post i made your making my heart poignant though i'm so sorry if the quality of what your reading diminish over time i'm getting busier day to day for the past few weeks and i'm sorry for that. 

does it mean English language must be the prior to other? maybe if they didn't create local board at the first place we wouldn't tackle this topic.

most of your post is pretty clear to me but if you really loved to slap your faces having a conversation with me go on mate, the bolder line can't affect me in any way, i'm content to the rank of forum gave me, i'm not being sarcastic to brag some merit to give me a merit or two even if they're source of that said merit so to speak!

There is no prohibition in the rules on this, but I believe that local forums can and should establish a rule. The rule that exists is regarding the prohibition to use google translate.


As for the OP, it's sad that the quality of his writing in English has diminished over the time... 

I don't agree with above answers, it shouldn't allowed to post in English in local boards since other languages are not allowed in main boards. We don't want double standards.

This ^^^ is part of the problem:  nuances of language get thrown in the trash when you don't know about them or how to use them.  Most of this post is pretty clear to me, but the bolded part isn't.  Are you being sarcastic?  Are you making a little joke?  How is reading a piece of shit post going to not work out well for me other than prompting me to slap my head in frustration? 

It's more likely to work out worse for you if I were to put you on ignore.  I give out merits like candy when I get them, and you don't want to alienate someone like me--that's not a brag; that's reality for people who are looking to rank up.

No need to get hostile, you have a decent question and I believe the bottomline answer to your question(s) is that:

• YES, you can speak English in local boards, however;
• NO, you cannot speak other languages (aside from English) in boards other than local

If someone wants to improve his language knowledges, there is a plenty of ways to do it and not the only one is about posting something on specialized crypto forum. You can find tons of options, from watching movies with subtitles to finding a pen pal, who will guid you. I just don`t get why is TS trying to hammer nails with microscope.

does it the right thing to judged someone who was so passionate about bitcoin and onto the forum? and personally you are the one decreasing the quality of your post since you were arguing with people who loved posting on a local board so to speak! 


and on top of that if your reading twice someones incoherent not interested post really may not work out well for you! 

Knowing the language and the culture of the community you want to post in is a must in my eyes. And most users will agree that people look at you differently if you are not capable of expressing yourself in the right way. They will not take you seriously since you are not respecting their language and might consider you to be a joke. This is not meant for you - the OP, it is just a general thought.

My primary language is not English but I have a good knowledge of it. I understand German just fine and thought often about posting and being active in that local but I cant write and communicate the way I would like to in German. Therefore I am not going to offend the language by writing grammatically incorrect sentences and thoughts. Anyway that is just my opinion, I am sure other people wont see it that way.

Another example. I like all kinds of sports and it drives me mad when I hear that a commentator is not capable of pronouncing the names of players properly. I find that totally disrespectful towards that whole nation and its language. You are a sports journalist and you have a job because of those athletes you are covering - at least learn their names! Am I overreacting?

My suggestion to OP is to utilize Jet Cash's site for practice, and I would encourage him not to practice here.  I had to read his post here twice and still don't quite understand what he means.  His English is not good, and people tend to learn who the garbage English posters are and either put them on ignore or just skip right over their posts

Most people here don't write posts full of interesting things, and if you add an incoherent writing style on top of that, it's not going to work out well.

If English is not your primary language or you dont have a good grip on which is decent enough to make comprehensible posts then you should refrain from posting in the English boards and rather stick to your local boards. We have so many languages in the Local section and I hope you can find a new home there.

what seoincorporation meant was that you are using a translator to read these posts and thus the decreased quality of posts that you make. I suggest you to stay on your Local boards like I said above.

Spending your time to learn English, improve your English skills.
It's always better if you can post in global, serrious boards, not local boards.
Some important information released first in serious boards, hence you might be late or miss great chance if you can not get information by yourself comprehensively.
Of course, you can join which boards/ local boards you want. You can stay at your favorite local boards as your preferences, but I strongly suggest to spend more time to join serious ones.

For English learning, please visit these places:
1> Great English book collections by @tbct_mt2
2> The English language improvement thread by @JetCash and his TalkMerit website
3> TMAN's guide to getting merits

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By the way, congratulations to @JetCash by ranking up to Ledgendary recently.  

very well, as long as I can recall English was the second language I've been learnt so far not intensive but barely understandable not been knowing bitcointalk was the title of the site,does learning other language (not in particular) would make mother of all English jealous?


thank you for pointing out this to me, but how could say that my thread was seems encrypted although I didn't hide million of Bitcoins on my thread, better yet if you said my thread seems so incomprehensible.

Is not allowed, Vphasitha01, that's why I think the OP was asking that.
If you open a thread in a local, then you need to use this local's language; if you post in here, then you should be able to communicate in English, something the user is also doing wrong.
The mods from the local usually lock or erase another language's posts created on their boards, the user, in this case, just need to use the report to moderator button in his local board.

If your wild guess is right I think bigmaster23 has a point which we should discussed.

So if main boards are only allowed to post in English, then posters in all other languages are considered as secondary which is not allowed.

In vise versa why we are allowing English posts in local boards where it should considered as one of secondory language to that perticular board. I think we should not maintained double standards for English language and we can't considered English is superior than any other.

I think the user is asking if this is allowed to post the same in different local boards, for the link he provided is from a user posting in English in a Japanese one.
But it is a guess, his thread is so badly written that it seems "encrypted"

You can post on any language. But if you want to post on any local board then you have to know the language as you are not allowed to translate from any automate software.

I think you should focus on improving your English first.

does it permitted or not to post in many local board which i did already https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4610753 on this topic i just want to broaden my availability to speak or type which regarding language barrier, anyone?