Largest ever bitcoin days destroyed- discuss

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Quote from: porcupine87 on March 07, 2014, 12:42:33 PM

Why this odd numbers? Why did he not split up like -> 180 -> 85 + 95 -> (40 + 35)+(45 + 50) -> etc.

Ok, another thing:
Besides this 180 000btc which got to this german controlled IP there was another 19 999.99 from the same address which was relayed by the same address. This German IP relays a lot.
I would say every 5th transaction of the whole network.
https://blockchain.info/ip-address/5.9.24.81?offset=50

that's my dedicated server, and it has nothing to do with mtgox

i keep the blockchain in ramfs & disable all logging

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Clueless!

Quote from: WompRat on March 07, 2014, 07:50:31 AM

I find this all incredibly exciting. I just can't decide whether to panic sell or panic buy. I am going to definitely do something in a panic.

I myself am leaning toward 'panic'....(sigh) but I'm all in so let the ride begin

I'm soooooo confused

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Where did all those coins go now?

http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html

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Quote from: Tzupy on March 07, 2014, 12:43:48 PM

Usually I don't have bitcoin dreams, but I took a nap and dreamed of MtGox allowing withdrawals again, but strangely the price was close to 100$.
This could only happen several months from now, or soon if 180k Gox coins will be dumped on other exchanges.

Gox dumps 180k coins all at once to minimize the amount of USD they get for them ...
Come on, at least try to make plausible FUD

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Quote from: porcupine87 on March 07, 2014, 12:42:33 PM

Why this odd numbers? Why did he not split up like -> 180 -> 85 + 95 -> (40 + 35)+(45 + 50) -> etc.

Well the coins are behaving like they would had they just been loaded to the hot wallet of MtGox based on the leaked PHP code.

The logic there was to split large outputs (>500 coins) every 10 minutes, randomly between 40 and 60% of the input to each new output.

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Quote from: raid_n on March 07, 2014, 12:33:46 PM

Don't be stupid
No one would ever cash out stolen coins like that directly.
You want them to go through a mixing process so it is almost impossible to tell where they came from. Else all you need to do is wait for the thieves to cash out their traded coins and get them through the traditional banking system.

Whatever this coin movement means at this stage you can't really tell what is happening. If those sums get thinned down enough to blend into a mixing service and that is being started then i'd start to get worried.

What's the saying here: Sell the rumor buy the news?

Allegedly stolen coins, stolen only for someone who believes Karpeles. Given his history of lying, I don't.
And yes, they could get tumbled before being sent to other exchanges, and will be almost impossible to track.

Usually I don't have bitcoin dreams, but I took a nap and dreamed of MtGox allowing withdrawals again, but strangely the price was close to 100$.
This could only happen several months from now, or soon if 180k Gox coins will be dumped on other exchanges.

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hm

Why this odd numbers? Why did he not split up like -> 180 -> 85 + 95 -> (40 + 35)+(45 + 50) -> etc.

Ok, another thing:
Besides this 180 000btc which got to this german controlled IP there was another 19 999.99 from the same address which was relayed by the same address. This German IP relays a lot.
I would say every 5th transaction of the whole network.
https://blockchain.info/ip-address/5.9.24.81?offset=50

raid_n

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Don't be stupid
No one would ever cash out stolen coins like that directly.
You want them to go through a mixing process so it is almost impossible to tell where they came from. Else all you need to do is wait for the thieves to cash out their traded coins and get them through the traditional banking system.

Whatever this coin movement means at this stage you can't really tell what is happening. If those sums get thinned down enough to blend into a mixing service and that is being started then i'd start to get worried.

What's the saying here: Sell the rumor buy the news?

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TERA, thank you for posting this image. Now, can someone trace those sums further, if they are being sent to known
exchange addresses, like Bitstamp, BTC-E, and in China? Just in case Karpeles decides to cash out his customers' coins?

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Quote from: kalisto on March 07, 2014, 11:45:09 AM

Looks to me they are preparing the withdrawal process which is a good thing and proofs these coins are still in control of mtgox.

wanna buy my mtgoxBTC?

cheap. even if by miracle they have a portion of their coins, the assclown Karpeles would figure out a way to fuck it up, for sure.

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Quote from: WompRat on March 07, 2014, 08:20:55 AM

If these are recovered Gox coins, then Gox could well be coming back. That's bad right, or is it good? I don't understand why these coins weren't disclosed in the official bankruptcy protection docs if there was a good chance they could get to them.

Gox is splitting their wallet with this function, https://gist.github.com/alainmeier/9319451#file-mtgox-php-L148

Looks to me they are preparing the withdrawal process which is a good thing and proofs these coins are still in control of mtgox.

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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"

Quote from: WompRat on March 07, 2014, 07:50:31 AM

I find this all incredibly exciting. I just can't decide whether to panic sell or panic buy. I am going to definitely do something in a panic.

panic sitting

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If these are recovered Gox coins, then Gox could well be coming back. That's bad right, or is it good? I don't understand why these coins weren't disclosed in the official bankruptcy protection docs if there was a good chance they could get to them.

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Quote from: Rannasha on March 07, 2014, 07:54:21 AM

Quote from: WompRat on March 07, 2014, 07:50:31 AM

I find this all incredibly exciting. I just can't decide whether to panic sell or panic buy. I am going to definitely do something in a panic.

Why not do both? As a donation to your exchange Tongue

Trader experience tell you that if you don't know which way to panic, sit on your hands and do nothing!

(Sustainability of threads ending with "- Discuss"? - Discuss)

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Just as an update:
nullc posted this on the reddit thread link from OP

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FWIW, the gox transaction API (https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php) is now returning TXID: 442ef31f93f339398ba79f0aa4bc0222baf81a9ba4dd5bd5bea465332dacdabb which is a spend using coins sent earlier to the same address as the gigantic transaction.

Unless the MTGox API has started lying I'd consider this positive confirmation that the earlier 200k BTC transaction was an MTGox transaction.

People have been asking on IRC why some of it is being broken up. I could only speculate— but thats what you need to do to prepare a hotwallet to support a high volume of transactions (so you have many coins to spend so you don't get stuck waiting for your change to confirm while avoiding spending unconfirmed change, which MTGox has always done).

Edit: Sturles pointed out to me that the splitting behavior is consistent with the splitLargeOutputs function in the leaked gox source code, suggesting that portion of the coins was dropped into the MTGox online wallet and the system is now automatically breaking it up.

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Viva Ut Vivas

Quote from: Rannasha on March 07, 2014, 07:54:21 AM

Quote from: WompRat on March 07, 2014, 07:50:31 AM

I find this all incredibly exciting. I just can't decide whether to panic sell or panic buy. I am going to definitely do something in a panic.

Why not do both? As a donation to your exchange Tongue

I did a panic long and a panic short...I hope I do not get squeezed!

Or I hope I do?

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Could this be audit of ownership. Someone is confirming the amount BTC Mt. Gox holds?

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Quote from: WompRat on March 07, 2014, 07:50:31 AM

I find this all incredibly exciting. I just can't decide whether to panic sell or panic buy. I am going to definitely do something in a panic.

Why not do both? As a donation to your exchange Tongue

WompRat

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I find this all incredibly exciting. I just can't decide whether to panic sell or panic buy. I am going to definitely do something in a panic.

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Either way, SOMETHING is happening.. if its good or bad is yet to be seen. Whatever it is, it has ALOT of eyes on it now, and people allot smarter than me following every last satoshi!

Never a dull day...

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Quote from: gizmoh on March 07, 2014, 07:39:53 AM

Quote from: billington.mark on March 07, 2014, 06:13:07 AM

Or the gox coins are moving to their new owners (takeover rumors true)?

And the new owners are playing Satoshi Dice. Roll Eyes

Its rather siphoning of coins in progress..

And thieves would send some of that btc back to other gox addresses why exactly? Do you even realize how large this volume of coins is?
You'd be playing quite a lot of satoshi dice to get anywhere at all. I'm not saying that trying to mix such an amount is futile but there is quite a large probability that you'd leave enough of a paper trail to be caught

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Quote from: billington.mark on March 07, 2014, 06:13:07 AM

Or the gox coins are moving to their new owners (takeover rumors true)?

And the new owners are playing Satoshi Dice. Roll Eyes

Its rather siphoning of coins in progress..

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Quote from: billington.mark on March 07, 2014, 06:13:07 AM

Or the gox coins are moving to their new owners (takeover rumors true)?

I had thoughts of this also. It could yet again be gox asshattery to stir up the market.
With the apparent news of satoshi being found (even if false) moving old bitcoins is bound to cause panic.

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Or the gox coins are moving to their new owners (takeover rumors true)?

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This is a very interesting development.. either the 'stolen' coins are now being moved (and possibly liquidated) by the thieves, or MK found the keys ..

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The confusion and uncertainty started by the article on Satoshi are also a perfect opportunity to move (gox)coins that were dormant in cold wallets.

I am not saying it was MK but given his history it is something that I would expect him doing.

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These coins are most certainly tied to gox in some way or another.
I actually think it is good news either way. It is going to be all but impossible for a thief to launder that many coins without leaving some trail behind.
If gox has control over them their situation is not as bleak as initially believed

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Mtgox loses close to 1 million coins and nobody knows where they are and when they were lost yet nobody cares about that. Yet everyone is talking about Satoshi's coins being dumped after the five years he has not touched it. Logically it does not make any sense to me. I am more worried about where those coins from Mtgox went rather than the inventor of bitcoins wanting to cash out like a retard on an exchange. Plenty of people are willing to wire him money OTC...

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Quote from: podyx on March 07, 2014, 02:38:32 AM

some guy said that this was good news??

in what way is this good news?

Depends on who now owns them.
If it is still gox it is proof that they have around 200k coins.
If not well then the thieves are making a move.

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Well I don't see how it's bad news either? Had it been Satoshis coins I would have sold instantly though

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some guy said that this was good news??

in what way is this good news?

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zshct/4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0/

It's connected to the Mtgox 424242 wallet

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