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legendary
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Borsche
April 11, 2014, 04:04:40 AM
#32
So if you sell now, and buy back in after the news what do you lose ? Trading fees. Thats it. But if it goes down again, you are on the safe side.

Um no, hate to break it to you, but if you sell now and the news are good, you also lose ~50% of your previous bitcoins due to the price jump that you won't be able to anticipate or participate in unless you are watching the market 24/7.

So the thing here is quite simple - if you believe in bitcoin future, then your speculative objective is to increase your BTC holdings by any means. Selling at the bottom usually goes against that objective, as anybody who traded here since 2011 would tell you (but you won't listen, so you'll have to learn on your own). Good spot to sell was in four digits, not at the bottom - it was a risk then, sure, but at least relatively smaller one than selling now, which is plain crazy. This is the point where you buy with both hands.

Hmmm... Well Im monitoring the market most of my time, having a extra monitor for it in the office. Also I use a bot that buys for me if a price x is reached and stop loss orders in the xchange if it drops.
So most work is done without me. I dont know if this is "normal" but we are talking about money here, so I take it serious.

Well, don't trust the bot too much, slippage here on big moves is *huge*, because usually it is several large orders - once they go through, the book is cleared for like 10%, so you are always buying higher. But still, you have much better chances to catch the train than most speculators here who trade by hand; selling low is a dangerous game and you must be prepared for losses.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
April 11, 2014, 03:36:14 AM
#31
So if you sell now, and buy back in after the news what do you lose ? Trading fees. Thats it. But if it goes down again, you are on the safe side.

Um no, hate to break it to you, but if you sell now and the news are good, you also lose ~50% of your previous bitcoins due to the price jump that you won't be able to anticipate or participate in unless you are watching the market 24/7.

So the thing here is quite simple - if you believe in bitcoin future, then your speculative objective is to increase your BTC holdings by any means. Selling at the bottom usually goes against that objective, as anybody who traded here since 2011 would tell you (but you won't listen, so you'll have to learn on your own). Good spot to sell was in four digits, not at the bottom - it was a risk then, sure, but at least relatively smaller one than selling now, which is plain crazy. This is the point where you buy with both hands.

Hmmm... Well Im monitoring the market most of my time, having a extra monitor for it in the office. Also I use a bot that buys for me if a price x is reached and stop loss orders in the xchange if it drops.
So most work is done without me. I dont know if this is "normal" but we are talking about money here, so I take it serious.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1010
Borsche
April 11, 2014, 03:22:06 AM
#30
So if you sell now, and buy back in after the news what do you lose ? Trading fees. Thats it. But if it goes down again, you are on the safe side.

Um no, hate to break it to you, but if you sell now and the news are good, you also lose ~50% of your previous bitcoins due to the price jump that you won't be able to anticipate or participate in unless you are watching the market 24/7.

So the thing here is quite simple - if you believe in bitcoin future, then your speculative objective is to increase your BTC holdings by any means. Selling at the bottom usually goes against that objective, as anybody who traded here since 2011 would tell you (but you won't listen, so you'll have to learn on your own). Good spot to sell was in four digits, not at the bottom - it was a risk then, sure, but at least relatively smaller one than selling now, which is plain crazy. This is the point where you buy with both hands.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
April 11, 2014, 03:13:20 AM
#29
So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.

Can you guarantee that it will ever be that range, i.e. do you sell futures to that effect? If not, shut it.

How should I guarantee that ? But its pure market logic.

Thats the point: You can't know. But it is not market logic. Sure, it is always best to buy at the bottom. But you have no way of telling in advance. In October 2011 some bears or trolls were adamant that the price would drop below $1, but the bottom was $2. Last year, some bears / trolls were adamant that we'd go to single digits, but the price bottomed out at 60. So if you wait for $200 now you may win.

But what are you going to do if April 15 passes by and BTCChina and Huobi continue business? If that happens, we'll have seen bottom.

Sure you are right. It might be the bottom, but Huobi already said they search for a way to keep FIAT-BTC tradings up with external banks.
But even if they do, until 15-18th April no one knows. So if you sell now, and buy back in after the news what do you lose ? Trading fees. Thats it. But if it goes down again, you are on the safe side.

This is all I mean, its stupid to hold a position for what ? With holding or HODLing you will only get back to where you bought in or maybe make a profit in the future.
Selling when it goes down, accept lossen and regroup can bring you more btc in your wallet as you had b4.
anu
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
RepuX - Enterprise Blockchain Protocol
April 11, 2014, 03:06:48 AM
#28
So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.

Can you guarantee that it will ever be that range, i.e. do you sell futures to that effect? If not, shut it.

How should I guarantee that ? But its pure market logic.

Thats the point: You can't know. But it is not market logic. Sure, it is always best to buy at the bottom. But you have no way of telling in advance. In October 2011 some bears or trolls were adamant that the price would drop below $1, but the bottom was $2. Last year, some bears / trolls were adamant that we'd go to single digits, but the price bottomed out at 60. So if you wait for $200 now you may win.

But what are you going to do if April 15 passes by and BTCChina and Huobi continue business? If that happens, we'll have seen bottom.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
April 11, 2014, 02:58:41 AM
#27
So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.

Can you guarantee that it will ever be that range, i.e. do you sell futures to that effect? If not, shut it.

How should I guarantee that ? But its pure market logic. And if you watch the btc charts with the last years its always ups and downs. But waiting till your invest is 90% or more loss is plain stupid.
A good commander would never leave his troops in the fight until last man standing. He would get as many back to new formations as soon they keep losing man.

A good commander always keeps troops in reserve so that he can add in more force if necessary. The key is timing when to add the reserves for best effect.



As a commander (retired) I can tell you thats only valid if the enemy isnt more then x-times your troops size. Yesterday there were fare more sells then buys.
hero member
Activity: 703
Merit: 502
April 11, 2014, 02:56:23 AM
#26
So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.

Can you guarantee that it will ever be that range, i.e. do you sell futures to that effect? If not, shut it.

How should I guarantee that ? But its pure market logic. And if you watch the btc charts with the last years its always ups and downs. But waiting till your invest is 90% or more loss is plain stupid.
A good commander would never leave his troops in the fight until last man standing. He would get as many back to new formations as soon they keep losing man.

A good commander always keeps troops in reserve so that he can add in more force if necessary. The key is timing when to add the reserves for best effect.

sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
April 11, 2014, 02:53:39 AM
#25
So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.

Can you guarantee that it will ever be that range, i.e. do you sell futures to that effect? If not, shut it.

How should I guarantee that ? But its pure market logic. And if you watch the btc charts with the last years its always ups and downs. But waiting till your invest is 90% or more loss is plain stupid.
A good commander would never leave his troops in the fight until last man standing. He would get as many back to new formations as soon they keep losing man.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 101
Be Here Now
April 10, 2014, 04:13:25 PM
#24
This is the last chance that all of you fanboys have, to sell and have some profit. Be smart and sell high buy low.

BTC is hovering at 460's now. It will be 200 soon. Sell now or see your fortunes deplete in front of you.

You were TOLD


LOL nice try, are people really stupid enough to fall this kind of shit?

Well...it IS down to $389 as I post this...and it was down way lower than that earlier, so...  Grin
anu
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
RepuX - Enterprise Blockchain Protocol
April 10, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
#23
So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.

Can you guarantee that it will ever be that range, i.e. do you sell futures to that effect? If not, shut it.
legendary
Activity: 2186
Merit: 1213
April 10, 2014, 01:59:18 PM
#22
Nobody who bought higher than 500 will sell now. I bought @700 with almost all money I had and if it takes 5 years to go back to 700 I will hodl. And I think most people here thinks the same way.

If I would need that money now, Instead of selling now with almost 50% loss I would take a loan instead of selling.

Did I miss something in basic shool ?

Why hold till its 100% loss ? Even 50% loss is plain stupid. Sell as soon you lose and buy back in when you think the time is right.

First rule of trading: dont buy stuff you cant sell instant. Never put emotions into trades. Its just to make money.

So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.


As soon as I sell/speculate, the price gets a new ATH Wink

This lesson I learned the hard way.

Every single time I speculated, I made a loss. This is my Karma, my law of attraction. So I will only sell if it (ever) gets back higher than I bought. And if I really lose 100%, whatever, its only money... fuck that...
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
April 10, 2014, 11:09:32 AM
#21
Nobody who bought higher than 500 will sell now. I bought @700 with almost all money I had and if it takes 5 years to go back to 700 I will hodl. And I think most people here thinks the same way.

If I would need that money now, Instead of selling now with almost 50% loss I would take a loan instead of selling.

Did I miss something in basic shool ?

Why hold till its 100% loss ? Even 50% loss is plain stupid. Sell as soon you lose and buy back in when you think the time is right.

First rule of trading: dont buy stuff you cant sell instant. Never put emotions into trades. Its just to make money.

So if you sell now with 50% means you still own 50% of your invest. If the price turns in 4-5 month from 100 or 200 back to higher ranges, buy back in and at the end you got more btc then now for same money.
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
April 10, 2014, 11:07:42 AM
#20
Nobody who bought higher than 500 will sell now. I bought @700 with almost all money I had and if it takes 5 years to go back to 700 I will hodl. And I think most people here thinks the same way.

If I would need that money now, Instead of selling now with almost 50% loss I would take a loan instead of selling.

This is because you're a amature investor.

Pick up any book about investing, the most important rule they talk about is mitigating your losses. You should have sold long ago.

There is a reason bitcoin is going down, the reason isn't because its just something temporary and then it will go back up.

legendary
Activity: 2186
Merit: 1213
April 10, 2014, 11:00:45 AM
#19
Nobody who bought higher than 500 will sell now. I bought @700 with almost all money I had and if it takes 5 years to go back to 700 I will hodl. And I think most people here thinks the same way.

If I would need that money now, Instead of selling now with almost 50% loss I would take a loan instead of selling.
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
Stagnation is Death
April 10, 2014, 10:55:32 AM
#18
^^

see, nobody listens
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
March 30, 2014, 09:44:31 AM
#17
Bear markets like this is, just a lot of negativeness and confusion. Sell today, and wait it out. That's the wise thing to do.

We'll se mining gear on sale soon too.

When things settle down, flatline at some level and not much trading is going on you wait still. No more headlines in the news and everybody considers bitcoin dead for the third time.

Then some one buys 50,000 BTC and price only goes up a little because of a lot of sell orders. Then thats the time to buy back in and be a hodler again... It can be a month or two before bottom.

tried that before after the 2012 crash.

Be cool a make a lot of money on a crashing market, it's a time to enjoy.


legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1000
March 30, 2014, 09:41:18 AM
#16
Just sold my 22 million bitcoins, thanks original poster!
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
March 30, 2014, 09:40:16 AM
#15
That's 3 ignores today. I think this may be my personal bottom indicator, how obnoxious people become.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
March 30, 2014, 09:36:49 AM
#14
You're right, it's the last chance to get cheap coins.

Thanks for the reminder.
hero member
Activity: 681
Merit: 507
March 30, 2014, 09:36:12 AM
#13
i  just bought some more thank you for selling
jr. member
Activity: 82
Merit: 1
March 30, 2014, 09:35:11 AM
#12
We were TOLD to sell and he is going to buy all coins and will HODL it till it's going to reach more than $5,000 for sure!
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1004
March 30, 2014, 09:19:58 AM
#11
Just sold everything, thanks!

....to buy bitcoins
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1035
March 30, 2014, 09:18:56 AM
#10
This is a great time for anyone looking to get INTO bitcoin. Personally, with all of the bad news lately, I think bitcoin may continue to decrease in value. THIS IS GREAT! I'm looking to buy about 8 coins as I have a goal of 10 coins in 2014.

If bitcoin dips into the $300 or $200 range, or even $100, I'll have the ability to achieve my 10 coin goal for a reasonable amount. Then, hopefully Bitcoin will go back up in value.

At this point, you'd be stupid to invest any money in Bitcoin that you aren't prepared to loose 100%. But the upside potential is limitless, assuming this storm is weathered.

$100 would be so fucking nice tho

thing is I would probably be scared to move in and miss the oppotunity anyway Roll Eyes
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
March 30, 2014, 09:18:12 AM
#9
I have decided to base every single decision in my life the OP's postings from now on. I'm going to need more from him. I'll PM a list of questions I need answering.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
March 30, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
#8
Just sold everything, thanks!

Haha! Smiley
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
March 30, 2014, 09:16:12 AM
#7
This is the last chance that all of you fanboys have, to sell and have some profit. Be smart and sell high buy low.

BTC is hovering at 460's now. It will be 200 soon. Sell now or see your fortunes deplete in front of you.

You were TOLD

How could you possibly be so sure of this? I seriously doubt you are right. All price patterns seem to indicate othewise. If you are correct then it is out of luck because your prediction doesn't seem to be based on anything...

I'd be willing to put a bet on that it don't hit 200, the guy is just talking out of his ass lol.
jr. member
Activity: 49
Merit: 3
March 30, 2014, 09:10:51 AM
#6
Just sold everything, thanks!
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
March 30, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
#5
This is the last chance that all of you fanboys have, to sell and have some profit. Be smart and sell high buy low.

BTC is hovering at 460's now. It will be 200 soon. Sell now or see your fortunes deplete in front of you.

You were TOLD

How could you possibly be so sure of this? I seriously doubt you are right. All price patterns seem to indicate othewise. If you are correct then it is out of luck because your prediction doesn't seem to be based on anything...
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
March 30, 2014, 09:03:49 AM
#4
I'm buying daily and I'll continue buying even if the price drops to $1. Now is the time to increase your position. Only reason to sell is if you're desperate for money.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 294
March 30, 2014, 08:59:14 AM
#3
This is a great time for anyone looking to get INTO bitcoin. Personally, with all of the bad news lately, I think bitcoin may continue to decrease in value. THIS IS GREAT! I'm looking to buy about 8 coins as I have a goal of 10 coins in 2014.

If bitcoin dips into the $300 or $200 range, or even $100, I'll have the ability to achieve my 10 coin goal for a reasonable amount. Then, hopefully Bitcoin will go back up in value.

At this point, you'd be stupid to invest any money in Bitcoin that you aren't prepared to loose 100%. But the upside potential is limitless, assuming this storm is weathered.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
March 30, 2014, 08:00:04 AM
#2
This is the last chance that all of you fanboys have, to sell and have some profit. Be smart and sell high buy low.

BTC is hovering at 460's now. It will be 200 soon. Sell now or see your fortunes deplete in front of you.

You were TOLD


LOL nice try, are people really stupid enough to fall this kind of shit?
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
Stagnation is Death
March 30, 2014, 07:58:33 AM
#1
This is the last chance that all of you fanboys have, to sell and have some profit. Be smart and sell high buy low.

BTC is hovering at 460's now. It will be 200 soon. Sell now or see your fortunes deplete in front of you.

You were TOLD
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