Topic: last word on Mark Karpeles the bitcoin thief (Read 2787 times)

how many BTCitcoins did you loose?. This guy just chose the wrong people to fuck with now hes gonna have it rough

Hey Mark, give us back the BTC and some of us will forgive you.

Hi I am Mark Karpeles and will open the Bitcoin Cafe in Japan Tokio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpN1UU8LErw&feature=youtu.be
 

Man, just a friendly advice, make a thread non moderated and allow members to discuss. I saw you deleted post just because you disagree with him. Let dissusion going without your censorship.
I mean, what is a point? You want a monologue or discussion? Up to you 

abslutely wrong.
your concerns were addressed in the original [edited] post.
You re-posted this several times after it was deleted, so get over yourself.

Please read it



Do you think the law makes a distinction, whether or not it was one individual or not? They don't. Chances are it was a block of individuals, all connected, since they were all doing the same thing, presumably at the same time(s). The Mafia is the Mafia and they go after the Mafia as a whole,. Same here. If it wasn't dickhead Mark or some insider, then it WAS, most likely, a group of individuals, al lacting a the same time as a collective.


wrong.
The law has done it before.
Look at the lavish crap the law has confiscated from the Bernie Madoff, and other shit head ponzy schemers, stock thieves and others.
I might suggest you watch an episode or 2 of "American Greed".
However, if the thief spent A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS that fucking quick, I'll eat my own asshole. If they went anywhere, it was to another of THEIR accounts, NOT some fucking store.
From what I have read or heard, so far, NONE of thise coins has shown up, or they are not saying which coins on the block they are, so we can see just where they went. The Japanese could start with confiscating every little thiing the thief Mark owns, and go through it until they find the missing media where the "bitcoin addresses" are. Take his bank accounts, his bitcoin accounts, his house, his cars, everythingm right down to his cat, so we could see if he has it stuffed up the cats ass.

To address the 1 bitcoin in one account, schenario, do you actually think they stole 1 bitcoin at a time and moved it one bitcoin at a time, 250 thousand times?

Ha, fucking Ha.

Good point why such a long delay?

what's that shit hanging around his neck? The media with all those wallet ADDRESS numbers in it. And who is the fucking friend, his peanutbutter packing  buddy, and he still has that fucking smirk on his face.
Someone should shove that sword up his fucking ass. What the thinks he is a ninja now?

fucking stupid ass dork.

First off I edited the original post to remove the stupid smiley face someone added.
I changed "snear" to "smirk", on the face of the jerk off Mark.
I didn't lose near as many as some people did, by far. Only a few BTC.
Next, I didn't really take notice of which forum I put this in, The mods can move it if they deem neccessary. I'm sorry it pissed you off.



You are correct, in my opinion, but I don't know what nr.3 is.

Then maybe everyone should stop calling them wallets and using a wallet as a graphic and just start calling them a public key. As  I understand it, the KEY is just your password (encrypted) used to keep your WALLET safe, and yes, it takes the "key" to spend them but it doesn't to collect them, just the "address" of the WALLET. Maybe I misunderstood what you said and everyone else is wrong and you are the only one right. Yes a wallet has an address in it, but it is CALLED A WALLET. I have many addresses in my WALLETS, one for each POOL I mine in, for that particular coin, no one pool has a lock on a particular WALLET. Or have I been reading the name wallet wrong all these years and it really says "address" and that graphic when they start up is actually a mail box with an address  on it, and I am just seeing it wrong, too. You edit or change the name of the address associated wth the wallet, or are all of these programs  I have on my computer wrong, too?
Like the wallet in my back pocket, with different credit cards in it. Each has an address on it, but they are all still in ONE WALLET!!!

It should be. Wallets are just a random number generated for security, and to  make your wallet unique from somone else's. If not ,then show me the list where I can choose my wallet number, so I can go and pick which ones I want. When you use that number it tags you to the wallet, not your name, but you, your isp, etc. Otherwise how does it know how to find your wallet when you get a payout?
It doesn't matter what other coins are in that wallet, or who owns the wallet, it is the wallet of the thief. PERIOD, or would you like me to believe it was just sent to any old wallet number. If they have more coins in it, too fucking bad. They are still the thief to whom the btc was sent, or part of the thieving group, etc.
Or would you have us believe the thief just put the btc on someone else's wallet for safe keeping until he/she/it can steal it back from that wallet, too? Not likely. BTC are transferred by changing the btc from one wallet to another, ()or maybe I should say wallet ADDRESS to another wallet ADDRESS) and apparently the blockchain traces all transactions to and from wallet ADDRESSES. So you know if they transfer them between other wallet ADDRESSES, so lock out all wallet ADDRESSES associated with the thief, period. Anyone associated with these wallet ADDRESSES face having their entire btc locked out ,not just what they stole. Use your head, give them a choice not to steal or face the black list and then they would have to go to court to have them unblocked and then you have your thief, or thieves, or  part of the scam, once again.
 Once again, So, now, you know the wallet ADDRESS number, you don't have to know who is behind it, just lock out the wallet or wallets ADDRESSES. Make the thief either let them go, or claim them (or file for them in court)  before a time period (say 30 days) is up. If he/she/it claims them, then you have your thief, and off to jail they go. If not, they get donated to charity. Plain and simple. This keeps the btc community safe and happy.
You steal, we trace and lock you out. You try to claim them, we catch you and put you in jail, and make a punk out of you. You try and scatter them all around, we lock all of you out, and you all lose your btc. Throw some gas in the den and flush out all of the thieves involved, or let them get set on fire and burn up in the den.
Like the man said, if you don't regulate this and enforce it, then the government will step in and do it for you. How many times do you think this will this happen before the US government steps in? Not many..........

This is what makes Mr. Mark liable for his actions. He knew about it, but did nothing, or was compliscent in it and has the wallet numbers some where to confiscate some time in the future.

It doesn't matter what "I" saw, period.
do you think he deleted this for no reason? Don't treat us as stupid as Mr. Mark is. There was something in his tweets, going back far before the february incident, or he wouldn't have removed them.
Twitter has a record of them, somewhere, I am willing to bet. Get a court order for twitter and see what he deleted. I am willing to bet there is something there, even if it is only to show his complete ignorance or his complete lack of security and his knowledge of what was going on and he didn't do shit to fix it.
He stated it was going on for 2 years and he didn't fix it.
If it were YOU and YOU were making millions of dollars/yen, what ever, and you knew you had a security concern, would YOU let it go on for years and let your company go down the tubes, knowing you would be liable in court and lose all of your money, period? Are YOU saying YOU wouldn't notice your funds dwindling over a 2 year period? Are you that blind?
Now say yes and show us how stupid you really are.
I know "I" would have fixed it in a new york minute.  I WANT those millions people are giving me, just for exchanging their coins into cash. Right up to the time it becomes billions.

The fact that the Japanese government has let him roam free to wipe discs and other things (his trail as you call it), shows their ignorance, or unwillingness to catch this jerk in his own pile of shit lies.
With half a BILLION dollars, plus 250 MILLION of his own money at stake, how many officials do you think he can pay off to either act ignorant or look the other way?
See that SMIRK on his face? Do you think he ISN'T trying to get away with something?

Even the THOUGHT of letting him open another exchange or re-open his after making a HALF BILLION dollar mistake is ludicrous.
He has already committed a felony by US standards and would not be allowed to even get close to another exchange and pull this shit again. much less open one nd or run it, in the first place.
The asswipe takes out 7-8% of all btc out there and we are just supposed to shrug it off, laugh and have a beer?

Go let your cat run all over your keyboard and piss on everything like the fucking idiot you are Mark. How can this fucking idiot be able to run a world class organization and can't even get his own shit together enough to have his fucking house cleaned and get that stupid fucking cat off the fucking keyboard, so he can do his work?

Again, he is no fucking genius, he is just a fucking liar and thief, and a dumb fucking ass. Who the fuck rated him at 190 in the first place, himself? Probably!
he needs to be taught a lesson by the infamous "caner". A few whacks with that cane wouldn't hurt, right before they send his ass off to jail for life or 20-30 years and confiscate everything he has, including his stupid fucking cat.
The japanese government is right behind him, too.
is right.........


edited a couple of times for spelling errors.  I might not  have caught them all.
and you can understand WALLET to mean "wallet address" if you like.
Addresses are stored in WALLETS.
so you can lambaste me for using wallet as synonymous with "address" if the wallet has only one "address" in it, if you want. 9 out of 10 people would have known what I meant.
Even if the thief changes the BTC from one address to another, it may still be in the same WALLET, but not neccessarily so.
Once you know the original ADDRESS to whom the coins were sent (the thiefs), then buy god, block the motherfucker from making any further transactions from that ADDRESS.
Chances are the cocksucker has already scattered them around, but you still have a chance of locking the remainder out of the system. Look at the SIZE of any transactions from the ADDRESS of the thief. If they were large, then lock out the recipient of the large transaction, too, until they verify they are entitled to them. All they have to do is show proof of i.d. like the rest of us have to at any exchange. Then their name is in the system and if they do this again, you will show a transaction trail to the thieves.
ALL of this is "iffy" at best, but at least the Bitcoin Foundation is not a bunch of idiots sitting around with their thumb up their ass doing nothing, with their hand out, getting paid for nothing. At least you might stand a fucking chance of getting your coins back from the cocksucking, fucking dickhead thieves.

MTGox former statements are relevant to an investigation. i.e. what did they know - did they lie. Plus, it's not the only thing that got deleted. i.e. check archive.org for mtgox.com . And i'm sure lots of internal documents will have been not only deleted, but hard discs completely wiped. Checking all your storage and all hard discs to wipe them takes a few days. Days that were given to MTGox.

So this is either a move of authorities to catch them wiping data or authorities are even less capable than MTGox.

In the second case, there's hardly a chance they'll find any missing money.

Deleting his twitter means deleting evidence, that's utterly ridiculous, what kind of evidence did you see there?
All there was on twitter was mere support staff saying all the time "please contact support at mtgox.com", what kind of evidence is that?

haha - the Japanese don't even think of that. He announced already weeks ago, that he was "cooperating with the authorities". They left him time to wipe all his tracks. And - as can be seen on twitter - he did.

I am really looking forward whether leaving him free was an authorities move to catch him wiping his tracks, or the Japanese authorities are really even less capable than him.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

How long it takes to find out how much coins are missing? A day or two, a week? No.
Mtgox suspended withdraw on feb 4. and claim to noticed it at 24. Feb. Its 20 days and they still do not know exact numbers!!

You seem to have completely misunderstood how the bitcoin system works.

What you are proposing simply isn't possible.

There are no wallets or accounts. Only inputs with an associated public key (often called an address). A wallet is a high-level construct purely defined and handled by your wallet software. In its simplest form, it is a collection of public and private keys (addresses and the keys needed to spend them).

Transactions in bitcoin take a number of inputs and produce a number of outputs. Which specific inputs went to which specific outputs is NOT known. E.g. imagine inputs A, B, and C as part of a single transaction resulting in outputs D, E, and F. There is no way to know if A, B, and C all belonged to the same individual, same wallet, or what went where.

For a cash equivalent, imagine a number of people stuffing money into a box along with hidden note saying who should be paid what, shaking it, and then distributing it to another set of people according to the collection of notes. In the case of bitcoin, the notes are cryptographically secure ("hidden" in the cash example).

Attempting to blacklist addresses or inputs would be completely blind. You would have no idea who owned those addresses or what portion of stolen funds (if any) were in them. If A, B, and C above all contain 1 btc and all outputs also contain 1 btc, which addresses would you blacklist if you know that A had the stolen funds? And for how much? All of them? A third of a bitcoin each? (Even though they could easily have had nothing to do with the theft or even know the thief.)

For another cash analogy, imagine a robber who spends a bunch of money in a bunch of stores on various items. In the real world, you cannot take the cash back from the stores (if they acted in good faith), even if you could determine where he bought his things. You could confiscate his purchases and try to make him pay back whatever was still owed, but the cash spent is forever lost. Such is also the case with bitcoins (and there are no serial numbers on bitcoins).

We just need nr. 3
but my guess is BTC dev is also getting stake of stolen BTCs - otherwise this would be done by 2nd or 3th reported case.
freeze all transactions and BTC adresses after stole and create auth. check for all those claiming this is their money.
BTC dev could also create some kind of auth.check (dont know how and why other than safety) for all those sending lets say 10 BTC and above.(no final confirmation before you identify yourself or sending from identified adress)
(in bank.acc you can not send over 1000 EUR in EU without you are checked in background.
but in BTC you can send/get 500 BTC to anyone .just like that (even you have stolen them, make kill for this, sold drugs etc)

Guess what dev.? if this is not done by you - gov. all over world will do this in near future in really hard way.!

and all this pump in price recently is just ridiculous . (let price fairly stabilize at some point (no need to pump from ex. like Bitstamp, BTC-E, rich individuals  etc.
we all need fair price and fair game  (otherwise little guy will in some time loose everything...mark my word ! (you will remember for rest of life what greedy means)

be good

Goxcoins and whatnot.

how much did you lose with gox?

and why is this is the alternate cryptocurrency forum?

I am going to have my say, whether or not you have heard it all, already and have had enough of this crap.

1) he is no genius. Read his record on computer programming. Evidently he sucks at it, badly. Genius My ass...........

2) I don't now, and never will believe his bullshit about hackers stealing the bitcoin from MtGox. Look at what his employees are saying. Thise coins were in COLD storage, supposedly, and not accessible, except for what  they kept out in HOT storage for transactions. His entire home and bank boxes, storage units, and any other possesions need to be searched for the missing media it was stored on, and/or where he decided to store all of those wallet numbers. If they were INDEED hacked and stolen, then this is 100% negligence on his part and he should be held accountable, period. Apparently a blooming stupid dumbass idiot (like you think of me) can program circles around this fucking idiot ,and at the first attack, would at the very least have had the fucking brains to hire someone to prevent further attacks on my site, if it were considered the #2 or #1 exchange on the planet. And he is making millions and doesn't spend a few hundred thousand on some REAL genius security person or firm to come in and secure his stupid fucking website???!!!  So, genius he is not and you should not even think of him on the same par as a fucking genius. He is a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

3) if those coins were stolen, then they HAD to go to SOME wallet number, so those wallet numbers should forever  be banned from ever making any transaction by the bitcoin foundation, the same for the other stolen coins, recently. This way if bitcoins are stolen, then they will never be able to be transferred to another account or wallet, and the thief looses out, period.
This way, also, if Mark DID steal them , he will never be able to use them, cash them in, or otherwise turn them into currency. Further, if they are not returned within a specific time, then the bitcoin foundation should confiscate them and donate them directly to a charity, such as Make A Wish. The same for coins stolen from Flexcoin. If you disable them after they are stolen, especially when you know to what wallets they went, then you can ban those wallets from making transactions, even if they were transferred to other wallets, you can stop those, also. Where there is a will, there is by golly a way, without compromising annonymity. Just freeze the wallets.

4) he needs to be forever banned from ever using computers or in any shape form or fashion or having anything to do with bitcoin or any other crypto coin(s), for ever and forever. He has shown, earlier than his dealings with bitcoin, that 1] he is a liar and 2] is a thief AND on more than one occasion.

5) How could ANY country let him start or continue under bankruptcy, after loosing half a BILLION dollars of other peoples money, and tell the country that "Oh Gee, I am sorry I caused any trouble". How stupid do you have to be to allow this to KEEP occuring with this fucking idiot. Now there are other stepping down from the bitcoin foundation, simply because they had anything to do with this stupid fucking asswipe.
Now he wants to re-start the Mt Gox under the name GOX and start the fuck over? How stupid would ANYONE be to let this dead fucking beat jerk off asshole exchange a piece of toilet paper for a stack of shit, much less handle your bitcoins AGAIN?

I am sorry but I don't buy his lame assed explaination for loosing half a billion or more dollars worth of YOUR/OUR bitcoins. No, I didn't loose that much, by any stretch of the imagination.
I got leary of these asswipes when they kept after me, in the months prior to the collapse, trying to get me to put more bitcoins on their site. If you are that good, and you are supposedly #1 or #2 in the  world , as an exchange, then you don't have to solicit business. Why would they be after a small guy like me? Day after day?
Death Threats aside, someone should at least put this fucker in jail for massive fraud. Those bitcoins have to be somewhere, most likely in his pocket. And wipe that stupid smirk off his fucking face, once and for all. He kept that stupid smirk on his face the whole time he was apologizing to the japanese councel. What a shit ass.

He is hiding shit, why do you think he deleted all of MtGox's tweets and other information, thinking it can't be retreived? Does the fucking idiot think twitter doesn't have back logs of his and others posts to the tweets? At the  very LEAST there must be something in those tweets he doesn't want the law to see or the courts, one, the other or both.
In the companies I worked for, starting back in the late 70's they recorded each and every keystroke you made.

Somebody get a search warrant for his house and possessions. I am willing to bet you'll find your missing bitcoins.