Topic: Lauda has Broken the GuideLine of the Trust System by theymos own words, ban her (Read 3701 times)

Lauda, don't waste your time or energy just ignore this trolls and they will stop to post useless spam and try to defaming you we all know that you do a good job by trying to keep this forum clean of scammers and signature spammers, the problem is most of them just post because they see it as job and not as a gift by the campaign's to promote them!

It is a web of trust not a web of trades.

Absolute bullshit. This trust system is the only thing that's keeping the site from total anarchy, and the last of the non spammers/account farmers.

FTFY.

The trust system in this forum is really broken if you have traded with the guy and he have scammed you then that's the time you can give a negative feedback from that specific user but it says here whether or not you did trade with that user, you can also make a negative feedback. like What the?
The mods should probably change this before any future damage in the site will be made. I think Lauda is a one sided kind of person as she/he stepped in the matters that should our campaign manager should be managing she/he has no right to dictate what the campaign manager should do cause he/she has no jurisdiction on that matter.

Makes sense. Looks like he is banned now anyway.

Bolded the important part. It's not a question whether you create a new thread/post a reply, but what you discuss in it.
Appealing your ban in a thread in meta and asking about it is alright, other (non related) topics in meta are still restricted.
This thread is called "Lauda has ~cry~" and is about Lauda, not the user and their ban, hence not a ban appeal and not covered by the exception.

Are you scared of the truth?

Neither a legendary, nor is that my username.
Just having a general sense of distrust about people who fail to comply with even the easiest rules.

I believe he is ok to evade a ban as long as he stays in Meta, although I'm not sure if the quote above relates to *only* creating a new topic in Meta or if replying to topics in Meta is also considered evasion?

Anyhow, copying & pasting posts is lame and results in a ban. You would have to convince mods to unban you, and your best shot is to create a new thread under Meta with your pleas. They may fall on deaf ears though.

The first question sounds like a threat, is it? I'm happy to see that you don't know that almost everyone in this forum have an Alt-account. By the way, I'm not a greedy person, so I'll not answer to your provocation. Just permaban this account too if you believe I broke the rules with this. The most important thing is that people can see what I said just 3 minutes ago.. So sad to have a confirm of that on a constructive discussion.

For the second one, you are right! That was the right thing, but you know, I'm an human not a machine. So I can do mistakes, and if I had received a warning, I would probably (surely, but let's say probably) not have it redone. But like I said before, I'm not here to cry and pray this People (People with the Power to ban/unban).


You know what? This is exactly what I said... You are allowed to insult me (more than once), but thanks to your trust and friends (like yahoo), you will keep post here like nothing happened. Anarchy probably is better then this, but I'm happy because more and more people can see this.

Oh, and, thank you for your negative trust Legendary Luptin! Wise person.

I just reported this idiot for evading a ban.  The copy pasting was a dumb thing to do, and it just shows how sig campaigns motivate people to shitpost however they can.  But we all know tthat already,  don't we.  Hopefully this knucklehead will get another permaban and it'll stick in his head that he's not welcome here.

Just to make this clear, you are currently actively evading a forum ban?

Spam is a problem, not a solution.
The right thing would have been failing your quota, instead of copying others posts and spamming the forum.

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http://archive.is/ChqBY

On this site there is more and more anarchy, more and more power in the hands of the usual known. Lauda is one of this, unlucky.
Got my ban on mine main account, probably because after almost 1400 posts I copied (I admit that, no problem) 2 half posts. I was in Waves sig. campaign and yesterday left 4 posts to reach the minimin 20/week. Had no time and tried this solution, no warning, no 2 weeks ban or something, I just received a permaban of mine (2013) Hero account. By the way I'm not here to cry about my Hero acc (also because, I can't do anything, the power to ban/unban is on 2 people), I'm here to try to clarify the situation:
There a lot of "spam" in this forum, especially to increase the count when you are in a Sig. Campaign. You can see it everywhere, but probably more in some section (like gambling, altcoin speculation, local boards, bitcoin discussion) and this is an old and well known problem. There are also legendary account are spamming sometimes, with useless (I really mean that, repetitive and useless posts) senteces just to raise the count, so the rank sometimes doesnt' mean anything. But, if you all know this, why punish just someone?
Why don't fix the rules also for the campaign managers, for example to force them to remove the minimum limit on signature campaign (to prevent spam)?
Why don't warn people before the permaban, especially if we are talking of a Sr. or Hero account that people have since years?
And, last thing... Is really so sad to see how someone abuse of his "influence".

Sorry for my english, not my 1st language as you can see.

I am very sure the $billionaires will readily welcome the enslavement or else they wouldn't be playing along with the shitty scaling drama.

These are the same people that may have no problem sacrificing children for the sake of things that will eventually be lost.

If you actually read what I wrote (and the background explanations of why we need a decentralized forum), then you would understand that it isn’t the content of @Lauda’s actions that are relevant to the problem at hand, but rather the fact that he has privileged centralized appointed power due to the default trust list.

By default putting all new forum users into a crab bucket with our shoelaces tied together, creates a crab bucket outcome.

With a decentralized forum, I could careless what @Lauda does. He and zillions of other idiots can off doing as much retarded stuff as they want and it will all be ignored from my areas. @kiklo can also do what ever he wants to do. And nobody can blame any centralized power for abusing their privileged position of authority.

Crab buckets become extreme as society descends into a clusterfuck of political correctness. For example, now if you are not gay, you are discriminating against a gay if you refuse to let him fuck you in your asshole.

(and if you had read my posts, you would understand that I think the activity of @Lauda and the mods is idiotic)

If you actually read the trust rating that lauda gave, you would realise that it wasn't the quality of the posts she was condemning, it was what OP was posting. If you are trolling and have an abusive behaviour, you deserve a negative trust.

When we have decentralized forum, then Lauda can do what ever he wants and others can do what ever they want, and they will all have no one to complain to because nobody will be in control.

There is no unequivocal proof for your allegations of retardness, thus what does that say about the retardness of your post? Centralized systems (like tying our shoelaces to each others) make us all retarded.

If you weren't being a retard in the first place, you wouldn't have received that trust. Lauda does what she wants and you can't do shit about it. Also, maybe ever considered stopping spreading bullshit and then ask Lauda to remove her trust. I guess someone as stupid as you never thought of that.

It is not true that the most productive action is to mire one's productivity with those who will waste it, thinking that amiability will make for a better result. That is why I wrote to you before that the smart people (the A-listers) do not participate when they see gatekeepers railroading a bad design. Instead they go do productive work, while the clusterfuck destroys itself.

It is somewhat analogous in these groups where they have a Code of Conduct which says they respect all diversity of humans, but then they use their political clout in insidious ways (passive aggressive behavior) to stifle an objective technical debate and also they do not have an open mind and instead want to be in control. The entire CoC thing is really a mechanism for control (as is always centralized governance, which is why I am working on blockchains to replace all centralized databases on the Internet, bcz all those centralized things are going to destroy themselves).

So really the smart thing for me to do was to never participate in that Node.js Issues thread.

Actually I am a man of peace, not of war. Yes I am very competitive, but that is for sports. Work should be a collaboration, but amongst A-lister peers.

Point is if we involve ourselves in failure, we also become a failure. I think this is a very important point that applies to all of at this time wherein the West is collapsing. I think we all need to be very much more aware of the failure we are exposing ourselves to by not wisely choosing who (and which groups, jurisdications, situations) we do and do not involve with. In my case, if I continue to involve myself with failure, then you all would be wise to not involve with me. I am making some changes in my activities.

Remember that democracy exists because what can not be "solved" via voting goes to civil war. So the "solution" is to run up the debt and satiate everyone, until that solution runs out of rope.


I need patience to understand the other A-listers are often correct or at least partially correct, as was the case recently with @keean and the closures issue. It was JavaScript's 100% dynamism that was fooling me and made me conflate the function instance with the closure (because that is what JavaScript does). It was some miscommunication between us also. Also I still have the effects of foggy brain not yet always 100% alert or clairvoyant due to these meds and illnesses. Very frustrating!

But no patience with the B-listers, instead never even engage. My huge mistake in life has been engaging with people of all walks of life, because I was idealistic wanting to emulate Jesus also believing that I came from nothing and didn't want to view myself as different or higher than others. So I got frustrated. Now I need to learn that I will not survive if I do not learn that I can not engage with B-listers (nor lunatics!).

There is something in the Bible about not trying to speak to those who will not listen. Do not throw your pearls at swine, etc..


Absolutely. That is my biggest weakness. Has always been.


P.S. the discussion continued into being supportive of all humans, not viewing others as beneath you, how to deal with irresponsible people or those who drag you down without being judgmental, about how I am not Jesus and can not bear everyone's suffering on my back in order to be totally understanding and supportive of every person. Then myself shutting down the conversation because I need to go to gym and how my resources are finite and how at this time I am trying extricate myself from the situations that have depleted my resources and no comprehending how I could possibly be supportive to everyone except on some superficial level, and then just throwing out there that maybe that means I didn't delegate to Jesus (claim that he died for our imperfections so that we do not need to be perfect) or something like that, but then it feels like I am losing my rationality and becoming insane so I just shut it down.

Very true. Our world has gone insane. Another example is Github just allowed me to banned on a very important topic about how Node.js will transition from the old module system (CommonJS) to the new ECMAScript ecosystem-wide standard one.

The gatekeepers there are clearly wrong. They should not create a new JavaScript file extension (breaking many things) just so they can conflate require and import. The new EMCAScript standard module system should not be shoehorned (forced unnaturally) to interopt with the old one. They are forcing very bad design onto a very large ecosystem and I am very confident I will be vindicated in the end.

All centralized databases must die. I intend to kill Github, Reddit, BCT, Facebook, etc.. I am working (as many hours a day as possible) on the foundational technologies. Note that link only updates every few hours so activity so far today does not yet appear (at the time of posting this).

As the sovereign debt collapse worsens in 2018 to 2020, we are going to see massive increase in totalitarianism and people will think that it does not bother them (until it does then it will be too late for them). When you burn the books of free speech, society collapses into a 600 year Dark Age.

P.S. Hahaha. If you think I am blunt...

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7524

Kudos to elder ESR.

And this is timely and apropos also:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7516

The internet def needs a censor resistant forum. Reddit just went full retard and locked a sub with 400,000+ users of which 20,000 were online at any given time. Its not just the mods here that like to abuse their power.

Frankly, it's embarrassing to have so many developers and computer wizards here and not have things like encrypted messaging or ip masking built into the site, or just basic protections to the users and the intellectual property. The degrees of freedom are lacking and the abuse runs rampant. My use of this site declines everyday, and trying to find informative discussions is becoming harder and harder. It makes me wonder how many have been driven off so this place can become an echo chamber.

Note the edit.

@dinofelis, you need get grip on reality. Bitcoin and crypto-currency is going to be a $10+ trillion phenomenon. And the EU is going to crash and burn.

The relevance of this to the bans and problems of this forum, is that this forum needs to be able to accommodate the diversity of people coming into crypto. It can’t remain a Millennials’ wet-dream and remain #1 and most relevant on our rapidly expanding ecosystem.

It is an ad hoc convention to tag that a term is a username as opposed to alternative meanings of the term in prose. Also some systems (e.g. Steemit, Github, and Stackexchange) will automatically link the username to their profile if prepended with @. For example, some usernames are English words.


I would agree with you, except that red text plastered on every post in Altcoin Discussion on the person who was abused (for readers using the default trust list which is virtually all the new users that altcoins target). IMO that is a crisis for those afflicted.


This is an official forum for Bitcoin (and thus for the crypto ecosystem including altcoins, with 46% of the marketcap in altcoins and increasing rapidly) and there are $millions (soon $100s of millions and then $billions) at stake here and for altcoin developers to be slandered/banned on a whim is a serious crisis from our perspective.

I am sorry but this clusterfuck is not going to stand very much longer. There are many forces that need a decentralized, trustless, permissionless system for communication with this $billion (soon $trillion) market.

This is a big deal.

Essentially BCT is cutting off his own future by not adapting.

Edit: some weeks ago @micreanity mentioned that many investors from outside our crypto-currency ecosystem were approaching him asking about Bitcoin. Then we see lately that $billionaires are investing in Bitcoin and even altcoins (see Tezos). And this week Martin Armstrong who had been very pessimistic about Bitcoin, suddenly recognizes that it could be the alternative global currency after the coming collapse and monetary reset due to the sovereign debt crisis and dollar short vortex with even central banks buying USD-denominated equities.

Armstrong is now starting to understand some of my thesis about the future of Bitcoin:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/bitcoin-criminals-authorities/

But he does not seem to understand that Bitcoin was designed to push the masses off chain into regulated scenarios (e.g. Lightning Networks on
Litecoin) by rapidly rising transaction fees (see links below for the math), because the technologically the blockchain can not be regulated by any non-global government (Armstrong is still apparently ignorant of the most important technological facts about blockchains):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18859434
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18878987
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18888361
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18903670

The regulation of Bitcoin comes when the world government takes form and the few elite on the hills in Jerusalem want to enslave the $billionaires. Bitcoin is very much part of the 666 plan and outcome coming, but it comes in stages.

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I never bothered to do it because I do not use the trust system.

The red and green text on avatars caused me to realize there is some corruption in this forum because most users see the same as what I see, because we all do not give a shit about the trust system. We came here for the forum discussion.

I hate kissing ass to centralized authorities. No way. Never will be.


Effectively (aka pleonasmically de facto) he does, because of the red text plastered on the avatar for every reader using the default trust list, which is virtually all readers.

And that includes anyone else on the default trust list who is gains pleasure from dictatorial actions.

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Because I do not need those (non-)“peers” in order to succeed. And also when I know I am the correct side of the future outcome, then I am not concerned about losing. Humans herd together in what they (mis-)perceive to be the dominant paradigm, because they do not want to be losers (yet the majority is eventually always wrong).

P.S. your explanations were touching on points that I did not make or did not explain as well as you did. Thanks. And no you are not my sockpuppet!

What is going to be very hilarious is when the scammers learn to game the trust system and turn it into a total clusterfuck.

I will find the post (in the “Bitcoin killer” thread) where I explained how to attain a Nash equilibrium without proof-of-work by leveraging the crab bucket mentality of human nature! (well that might be construed as ban evasion so you will have to go find it)

The end of the fungible, economies-of-scale, tangible winner-take-all, tragedy-of-the-commons age and the ushering in of the Inverse Commons knowledge age changes the paradigm:

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The winner-take-all power vacuum of fungible finance, usury, and the tangible (economies-of-scale) industrial and agricultural ages enables that paradigm. The Inverse Commons will break us out of this.

Humans are social animals, which means they are designed to abuse, or be abused, to dominate, or to be dominated, to rule, or be ruled.  The abused, dominated and ruled want others to be abused, dominated and ruled too, apart from their abusers, dominators, and rulers.  That's the essence of social behaviour: if you're beaten up, you want others to be beaten up too.

Social behaviour is perpetuated, because it is in the advantage of the deciders for it to be perpetuated (the progenitors, the rule makers, and the economically privileged), and they keep the speculative dream alive of the dominated, to be one day the dominant (which almost never happens, but it is the belief that counts).  As such, the dominated, too, want this to be perpetuated, waiting for the moment (in vain) when they will be the dominators.

In other words, social behaviour is locked in by a consensus mechanism that became immutable.  You can always try to fork off, you will get a 51% attack on your nose.

So all this is in perfect agreement with human nature.

@ImHash was on my ignore list when I was @iamnotback. And here is yet another justification for why he was on my ignore list.


He involved @Theymos because the Trust system design is broken. If it were not broken, nobody would need to complain to Theymos about it.

Theymos is the one who took $50,000 in BTC donations (back when BTC was 1/50th of its current value, so really he took $2.5 million in donations) and promised to improve the forum but never did. I read on Coindesk that he had contracted (afair in 2016) some Blockstream engineers and was spending $50k per month. One can only speculate about the incompetence or corruption that might (or might not) be going on. What ever the case may be, the forum has never been improved.


How do you know he has not done that? That is his personal life and he is not obligated to communicate his preparations publicly. It is an orthogonal issue that has no bearing whatsoever on the issue at hand. You’re constructing a strawman argument.

Ridiculing an 84 year elder is despicable.


He is running an altcoin thus has a duty to care what people see as red text slandering his forum avatar.

How do you know he does not care about his spiritual situation.


Bearing false witness is not a virtue. Even Jesus said he came bearing a sword against the corrupt, unrepentant ones. @Lauda is not repentant. I quoted him upthread saying he derives great pleasure from dictatorial actions.

I agree @kiklo did lash out and I did write that 4 wrongs do not make it right. But note my point about aliasing error.


Pride cometh before thy falleth.

Well some of us do not want be part of such a groupthink clusterfuck and we are busy working to form an escape before your clusterfuck collapses.


Well they tried to replace centralized idiocy with worse centralized idiocy.

But I am different breed.

For all you Bitcoin maximalists, note Bitcoin’s share of the total crypto marketcap has fallen to 54%. It is about time for you to wake up to reality.

84 years old?
When I received a negative from Yahoo, I started to PM admins and DT members after 10 PMs to Yahoo first, but I never bothered theymos because he is the red line and should be for everyone, please don't involve him, if you have to deal with Lauda, he (theymos) has to deal with hundreds of thousands people.

84 years old?
My man you need to think about what's important in your life, have you prepared yourself for the day you want to meet your maker?
Why do you care how/what people think of/about you? only thing you should care is how God sees you.
You should know better; forgiveness is a virtue, if they wronged you then try to reply with goodness.

Btw before I go, US a powerful country claiming to be a democratic government
See how is that working for opposition, bitcoin is the king and you don't go curse and trash talk in his castle.

Note, the king means there is no democracy here, either work your ways around or try to not invoke the wrong people.

This is the story just like Ver and Gavin gang saying this forum is censoring but they went and made their own bitcoin version instead and trying to take over the throne all together, I'd suggest you to join them grandpa.

There are some quick and easy solutions available.

1. This site is first and foremost a forum and not a site for doing trade deals between individuals (or at least many users join with that perspective). On localbitcoins, I see a trust rating by default, because trading is the primary function of that site and there is no forum. The most egregious flaw is the putting red text on the avatar of the forum identity (apparently only in some sub-forums such as Altcoin Discussion) accusing of being a scammer. This then affects all the forum activity (even retroactively to all historic posts!) which has nothing to do with trades. For example, myself and others have had their past accounts hacked (accounts where I had scrambled the password), then our archive of posts now has bullshit red text on them even though that has nothing do with the activity when I was posting using those account. One of my angel investors has red text all over his past posts because that account got hacked (he quit the forum since that because it is a clusterfuck of waste). It is the conflation of these two activities (forum posting and trading) which is such an egregious clusterfuck. Thus there is no reason to have that red text there. Anyone who does a trade without checking the Trust system for the user who they are trading with, thus has no awareness of the Trust system and thus thinks BCT is only a forum. The forum is not liable, because the Trust system is available and is documented. Remove that damn red text for those who are using the default trust list!

2. Show the trust list blatantly on the Trust page. The “Trust settings” link is not conspicuous enough and clicking it gives no clue what the “Default trust” is about or even how to use it.


Never is the problem the fault of the users. Until you accept this reality, you will never be a world class software developer. Never blame the users. Those who are offended by my expertise … oh well …


And I think he was 100% correct to not waste his time on a broken piece-of-shit design. Why should he beg to @Lauda? Lauda should never have this power to put red text all over his forum avatar.


It is the faulty design of the system. And @kiklo was pointing out to the other users how arbitrary the system is and how the fault can waste their time too. Because the nature of collectivized clusterfucks (i.e. tragedy-of-the-commons) is that no one cares until they are affected:


That is aliasing error akin to looking up at a stopped clock at 6am and 6pm and concluding the clock is functioning properly.

If you just looked at his action as a point sample then yes you could argue that, but taken holistically, then clearly @kiklo was trying to inform others how the system could harm them arbitrary.

Being part of the groupthink, you slander his motives while protecting your collectivist system. Rather than looking objectively at the problem holistically.


I am coming cured from TB and so am having some lucid days (also still some bad days), so I have always tried to not let my illness impact my rationality and perspective, but the fact it that it did many times. And there was not a damn thing I could do about it, even though I tried everything I could to overcome (before I was diagnosed with TB so I did not know about any curative medicine for some years). Physical suffering is physical suffering and even the mind is impacted. You will never understand this until you are chronically ill with a condition that persistently painful or delirious. I was very strong before I got ill with TB, so I also was cavalier and incompassionate as you are (well maybe not totally but I did not have the understanding of chronic illness that I have now). So I do not entirely blame you. I had even asked my (now ex-) wife and others close to me to wear a patch on their eye for a day to know my new life after I was blinded. They all tried it for 15 seconds and refused to do it. Lack of compassion and selfishness is a human nature. Jesus spent his time among the afflicted and suffered immensely. It is something I also tried, but I admit it is horrible.

Eventually I will blog about perhaps we can leave this physical dimension and move onto the informational plane of existence. Yet I think we will also miss this physical existence?

In short, I do not blame you for your perspective. I am informing you about another perspective.


Okay I understand the world is diverse and we can not absolutely stereotype. And I will cheer any youth that I find to be interesting and valuable. Yet we perhaps draw some generalizing trends between generations, but of course I hope I can relate to all age groups, because diversity makes life interesting. I am skeptical (because I am so skeptical of anything the boomers and collectivism/socialism created, although I recognize every stage of human development is a prerequisite to the next one) but also I do have some friends in all age groups.


@kiklo and I also butted heads in forum discussion in the past. He is a feisty or obstinate one (and I am too but I do not put blue text in all my replies when I am agitated). I joked with @kiklo in a PM that I can only imagine what he was like as a teenager if he has this much fight in him at age 84, lol. But it is not my nor @Lauda’s value to decide for everyone else. We need a decentralized moderation system so that we have a more accurate appraisal of the value of the posting to a wide diversity of readers.

And so then if @kiklo finds he is Ignored every where, he will realize it is his fault and can not blame any centralized moderators. I am not assuming he would be. He has his style and he did point out some technical details sometimes. IMO, he was not a worthless poster.

@kiklo was angry because he is/was marketing his altcoin here and the red text on his avatar slandered all his Altcoin Discussion posts. I think this was justifiable and actually he could perhaps justify a lawsuit but these things are difficult to win especially he voluntarily participated in the system. Nevertheless, the system remains broken. Somebody even posted here in Meta, belittling his altcoin as if he is not justified to have that as an economic reason to be angry about the abuse.


Political correctness is a trait that I vehemently hate.

I rather like diversity and indecent behavior when justifiable. Makes life more interesting.

"Give me liberty, or give me death!" — Patrick Henry

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." — Thomas Jefferson

In my other posts (just click my profile as I do not have so many posts), I have explained some details about why banning anyone is entirely unnecessary with a sufficiently designed decentralized system with decentralized moderation.


Banning spamming is analogous to banning any activity that is economic yet some people find offensive (a subjective matter thus can only be properly handled with decentralized moderation and economics, not dictatorial, totalitarianism). Collectivists always think they can ban economic activity and then wonder why it never works, because they flunked Economics 101. Global banning (as opposed to decentralized moderation) is Sisyphean, worse-than-useless (i.e. iatrogenic) busywork for twits who like to be in positions of corrupt, privileged power and authority.

Note I wrote a post and the mods deleted it and didn't even send it to my PM folder (Edit: note it later appeared in), so more of same totalitarian shit ongoing. This time I will archive this thread so I have  record of all their worse-than-useless corruption. I find it hilarious to see these useless mods doing activity which is analogous to the slaves digging the labyrinths of the pyramids with spoons.


Hilarious to see these self-important, dictatorial mods doing needless busywork and feeling proud of it, sort of analogous to slaves being proud of digging the labyrinths for pyramids with spoons.

There are simple decentralized solutions to the relativistic interpretation of spam content, so that no one is ever perma-banned and centralized authoritarian mods are not needed nor desirable.

What will you Sisyphean twits do to feel important in the new paradigm? Maybe you'll actually have to learn to do some real productive work. Shudder.