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Quote from: Eternad on March 02, 2024, 12:09:31 PM

Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on March 02, 2024, 12:04:55 PM

If you're betting for fun the ML and other standard bets would be more fun as you get the sweat. However if you're looking to make steady profits and use this as a side gig then its certainly worth looking into.

Can you list in the OP what casino you are using to do the arbitrage bet without encountering problem in the casino? Most of crypto casino is vigilant on detecting all users that using this kind of strategy that’s why it’s the only risk to this method for a small profit margin on a normal size bankroll.

I’m interested to know what kind of casino you are using and if it’s possible for me to create an account this casino to this arbitrage bet without encountering any problem.I read a lot of this topic on reddit but all resulted of being limited and restricted after a couple of successful arbitrage even they are using fiat casino.

I'm using all of the sites in NY. If you live in the states you can check out https://positivebetting.com/sports-book-availability which will let you know what books are in your area. I only use regulated sites in the US.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on March 02, 2024, 12:04:55 PM

If you're betting for fun the ML and other standard bets would be more fun as you get the sweat. However if you're looking to make steady profits and use this as a side gig then its certainly worth looking into.

Can you list in the OP what casino you are using to do the arbitrage bet without encountering problem in the casino? Most of crypto casino is vigilant on detecting all users that using this kind of strategy that’s why it’s the only risk to this method for a small profit margin on a normal size bankroll.

I’m interested to know what kind of casino you are using and if it’s possible for me to create an account this casino to this arbitrage bet without encountering any problem.I read a lot of this topic on reddit but all resulted of being limited and restricted after a couple of successful arbitrage even they are using fiat casino.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on February 29, 2024, 07:54:17 PM

never really done this personally as i think it may also take out the fun out of betting

if im watching a sporting event i will still want to bet on who I actually think is the best not because im trying to make some profits but this seems like a solid proof strategy that i might want to try when the odds are too slim to know who will actually win

If you're betting for fun the ML and other standard bets would be more fun as you get the sweat. However if you're looking to make steady profits and use this as a side gig then its certainly worth looking into.

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never really done this personally as i think it may also take out the fun out of betting

if im watching a sporting event i will still want to bet on who I actually think is the best not because im trying to make some profits but this seems like a solid proof strategy that i might want to try when the odds are too slim to know who will actually win

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Quote from: bitbollo on February 25, 2024, 06:14:40 PM

my experience is that you need a lot of cash and you can even risk that the account is banned (accordingly ToS and AAMS - italian administration - rules).
it's interesting these kinds of bets but requires to much cash in advance and I don't know how these can works in "long time".

You can use any amount of money but if you want to earn a few hundred a day I would recommend having $10k.

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Quote from: bitbollo on February 25, 2024, 06:14:40 PM

my experience is that you need a lot of cash and you can even risk that the account is banned (accordingly ToS and AAMS - italian administration - rules).
it's interesting these kinds of bets but requires to much cash in advance and I don't know how these can works in "long time".

Long term, you just switch sportsbooks or form a group of people who can make the bet for you. Ideally, Sportsbook shouldn't limit players because they are using arbitrage but it's considered similar to card counting I suppose, which casinos don't allow either. It does require a lot of cash in advance if you want to make a lot of money but you don't need to start it that way. $200-$300 might work too but it will be a long grind. As the OP suggested, he just gets limited at sportsbooks but not banned. Which is good but especially with crypto being involved, it is harder to trust someone with your own funds. Make your own call.

Yeah exactly. You can start with anything, but if you want to make a good wage then you need to have more money to start. $10-20k is good with bank management to make sure you don't overdraw when you're waiting for withdrawals.

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Quote from: bitbollo on February 25, 2024, 06:14:40 PM

my experience is that you need a lot of cash and you can even risk that the account is banned (accordingly ToS and AAMS - italian administration - rules).
it's interesting these kinds of bets but requires to much cash in advance and I don't know how these can works in "long time".

Long term, you just switch sportsbooks or form a group of people who can make the bet for you. Ideally, Sportsbook shouldn't limit players because they are using arbitrage but it's considered similar to card counting I suppose, which casinos don't allow either. It does require a lot of cash in advance if you want to make a lot of money but you don't need to start it that way. $200-$300 might work too but it will be a long grind. As the OP suggested, he just gets limited at sportsbooks but not banned. Which is good but especially with crypto being involved, it is harder to trust someone with your own funds. Make your own call.

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my experience is that you need a lot of cash and you can even risk that the account is banned (accordingly ToS and AAMS - italian administration - rules).
it's interesting these kinds of bets but requires to much cash in advance and I don't know how these can works in "long time".

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But others need to PM you if they have a question to you? I'm just a bit curious, because arbitrage in betting sports is quite difficult and the risk is high, so most of the time gamblers will lose in that way, right?

Arbitrage betting is not difficult to execute at all and the risk is quite low which is why it's one of the best smart betting strategies out there. If you stick to popular sites, they will never confiscate your money and will limit you instead.

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on February 09, 2024, 11:43:25 AM

These sites are just ridiculous. Inventing strange rules just to not pay out money that was won fair and square. If a site/odds provider is too slow to update odds why would that be a player's problem?

Agreed. They have no issues as long as you are losing, but will instantly limit/restrict you if you consistently win.

A lot of people don't know about it still which is why the odds on any particular game live is still a play.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on February 09, 2024, 02:58:32 AM

But others need to PM you if they have a question to you? I'm just a bit curious, because arbitrage in betting sports is quite difficult and the risk is high, so most of the time gamblers will lose in that way, right?

Arbitrage betting is not difficult to execute at all and the risk is quite low which is why it's one of the best smart betting strategies out there. If you stick to popular sites, they will never confiscate your money and will limit you instead.

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on February 09, 2024, 11:43:25 AM

These sites are just ridiculous. Inventing strange rules just to not pay out money that was won fair and square. If a site/odds provider is too slow to update odds why would that be a player's problem?

Agreed. They have no issues as long as you are losing, but will instantly limit/restrict you if you consistently win.

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Quote from: Viscore on February 08, 2024, 10:12:03 AM

I had an idea bout Arbitrage before and I find it interesting, however, I was discourage to try it when I knew that I had to start with a decent amount so the time I spent will be worthy. What OP said about a $20k bankroll is right, because we can only get a certain percentage if we win, at least with $20k, even 2% of $10k if we bet 50/50 on both sides, we can still get $200 which is already a significant amount.

Choosing a gambling site is very vital, of course, you can't gamble on sites that doesn't have a good reputation as $10k is a huge loss in case they'll activate their scam.

You can start with any bankroll you want, but of course your financial gain will be smaller.
The problem I see is, bookies shitting their pants.
In recent weeks I saw scam accusations against casino/sport betting sites where the site claimed the player violated their TOS by doing arbitrage betting.
I mean, this is a joke itself, who is to decide which game a player is betting. And how do they even want to prove arbitrage betting.
It is a common practice and it's nothing new. I have been doing this 20 years ago when bet&win was still a thing.
But nowadays it's oh so against the rules, buhu. These sites are just ridiculous. Inventing strange rules just to not pay out money that was won fair and square. If a site/odds provider is too slow to update odds why would that be a player's problem?

Anyway, just my 2 cents about arbitrage betting in general. It's a cool thing but you have to be careful where you do it (for whatever reason).

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- If I look at him literally according to the image you showed, it appears that you are a good gambler. To make 4,000 dollars in profit in a month is a huge amount, to be honest. And it's not a joke to see that in this day and age, you even got that from gambling, if it's really true.

But others need to PM you if they have a question to you? I'm just a bit curious, because arbitrage in betting sports is quite difficult and the risk is high, so most of the time gamblers will lose in that way, right?

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I had an idea bout Arbitrage before and I find it interesting, however, I was discourage to try it when I knew that I had to start with a decent amount so the time I spent will be worthy. What OP said about a $20k bankroll is right, because we can only get a certain percentage if we win, at least with $20k, even 2% of $10k if we bet 50/50 on both sides, we can still get $200 which is already a significant amount.

Choosing a gambling site is very vital, of course, you can't gamble on sites that doesn't have a good reputation as $10k is a huge loss in case they'll activate their scam.

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I have been limited, but the sites never just stole funds. But again I am only using US states that are in my area, no crypto casinos.

Then your arbitrate thing may not work on crypto casinos because the casinos that are available in US states might work differently than the ones that are available for crypto users. I have noticed that most of the crypto casinos don't accept US citizens on their platforms and that's why I think those arbitrage things may not work on crypto casinos.

If your accounts have been limited on those sites then that's another sign that the casinos don't really like arbitraging and they might freeze your funds in future if they get 100% confirm that you're arbitraging on their platform.

I haven't tried but arbing on a crypto site is more sketchy and you also run the issues of crypto price fluctuations.

However if you are in the US and are in a legal state then you can certainly arb.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on February 04, 2024, 08:33:02 PM

I have been limited, but the sites never just stole funds. But again I am only using US states that are in my area, no crypto casinos.

Then your arbitrate thing may not work on crypto casinos because the casinos that are available in US states might work differently than the ones that are available for crypto users. I have noticed that most of the crypto casinos don't accept US citizens on their platforms and that's why I think those arbitrage things may not work on crypto casinos.

If your accounts have been limited on those sites then that's another sign that the casinos don't really like arbitraging and they might freeze your funds in future if they get 100% confirm that you're arbitraging on their platform.

That would depend on how the user is pretending to be a mere pleb, casual gambler with his/her account. Simply, consistent winners, especially high-rollers in sports-betting are always limited because they consistently withdraw liquidity from the site. The service won't like that because it would make the money in their ledgers smaller, plus they would lose the opportunity to win some money back from the user. This would especially be true if such a user would deposit his wins from one casino to another casino.

An arber should probably do some extra bets/losing bets to hide the fact that he/she is arbing. Cool

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on February 04, 2024, 08:33:02 PM

I have been limited, but the sites never just stole funds. But again I am only using US states that are in my area, no crypto casinos.

Then your arbitrate thing may not work on crypto casinos because the casinos that are available in US states might work differently than the ones that are available for crypto users. I have noticed that most of the crypto casinos don't accept US citizens on their platforms and that's why I think those arbitrage things may not work on crypto casinos.

If your accounts have been limited on those sites then that's another sign that the casinos don't really like arbitraging and they might freeze your funds in future if they get 100% confirm that you're arbitraging on their platform.

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Quote from: Odusko on February 01, 2024, 08:56:46 AM

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 18, 2024, 09:50:09 AM

Arbitraging isn't full proof and you can take losses in some situations. But its proven to work in the long term and you can be successful if you follow the rules of arbitraging. It all starts with using regulated sites in your area.

It's a risky thing because when the casinos find that you're using arbitrage then they might freeze your accounts or ban them altogether. I would suggest everyone to be careful from Sports betting arbitrage as someone who does it on sites that are often run in same location could get banned for the act.

The casinos might not pay such users if they find that the user was doing arbitrage. OP how long have you been doing sports betting arbitrage? Haven't you faced any account bans or freezing of your funds from the casinos? I think casino might take strict actions against the members who are found to be doing sports betting arbitrage.

The thing that many gamblers who take the path to finding a steady winning even though it may affect the casino are that many of them fail to know is that casinos are built for profits making, and at that, they have put everything in place to avoid any possible abuse of their system, so for that before you find any system that can steadily beat the casino it will be very hard and for that, for those gamblers, they must be ready to face whatever comes along the line.
Arbitrage may be a tool to abuse the casino and at that, they will already have a system to combat any possible abuse of their systems so the casino will always stand against that at all times.

I have been limited, but the sites never just stole funds. But again I am only using US states that are in my area, no crypto casinos.

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Quote from: SamReomo on January 18, 2024, 11:49:45 AM

Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 18, 2024, 09:50:09 AM

Arbitraging isn't full proof and you can take losses in some situations. But its proven to work in the long term and you can be successful if you follow the rules of arbitraging. It all starts with using regulated sites in your area.

It's a risky thing because when the casinos find that you're using arbitrage then they might freeze your accounts or ban them altogether. I would suggest everyone to be careful from Sports betting arbitrage as someone who does it on sites that are often run in same location could get banned for the act.

The casinos might not pay such users if they find that the user was doing arbitrage. OP how long have you been doing sports betting arbitrage? Haven't you faced any account bans or freezing of your funds from the casinos? I think casino might take strict actions against the members who are found to be doing sports betting arbitrage.

The thing that many gamblers who take the path to finding a steady winning even though it may affect the casino are that many of them fail to know is that casinos are built for profits making, and at that, they have put everything in place to avoid any possible abuse of their system, so for that before you find any system that can steadily beat the casino it will be very hard and for that, for those gamblers, they must be ready to face whatever comes along the line.
Arbitrage may be a tool to abuse the casino and at that, they will already have a system to combat any possible abuse of their systems so the casino will always stand against that at all times.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on February 01, 2024, 08:19:50 AM

Arbitrage is soccer games? Will this neutralize the losing risks? If No why are we even talking about it? The risk of losing money is still recent and if it's true that one can make ROI everyday you should be doing just that yourself, there is no need to work on anything, this is a sure bet to become rich in life, but I am wondering why you share if it's certain? Don't get it twisted for us and some new gamblers on here, risk what you can afford to lose.

I somehow think that online casinos are in co-op with one another, because this arbitrage way of gambling is like cheating to them, since you will need to do your thing using more than one platform, with same IP and location they can get you, anyway I don't want to believe that this is a neat way to winning, this is gambling world and I leave it that way.

I will keeping hoping another lucky day found me, it isn't even long ago that I win some good amount using few dollars, this is gambling, I don't have to stress myself finding ways that are more confusing or such, I am fine using this same way every time.

I don't arbitrage soccer games because they have 3 outcomes on ML. You could arb the total goals, but if someone scores during the time you're hitting the arb, then you would be at too much risk. So I stay away from soccer.

I'm sharing because why not, arbitraging isn't something brand new. You can arbitrage bananas and just about anything. People have been arbitraging sports for years. There are risks with arbitrage sportsbetting, but over thousands of bets you can be profitable. You can have losing sessions, but you have an edge with arbitrage betting so you will make money in the long term if you're doing it correctly.

Again, only works if you're in the US and using a regulated sportsbook. If you use crypto casinos, this may not work.

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Arbitrage is soccer games? Will this neutralize the losing risks? If No why are we even talking about it? The risk of losing money is still recent and if it's true that one can make ROI everyday you should be doing just that yourself, there is no need to work on anything, this is a sure bet to become rich in life, but I am wondering why you share if it's certain? Don't get it twisted for us and some new gamblers on here, risk what you can afford to lose.

I somehow think that online casinos are in co-op with one another, because this arbitrage way of gambling is like cheating to them, since you will need to do your thing using more than one platform, with same IP and location they can get you, anyway I don't want to believe that this is a neat way to winning, this is gambling world and I leave it that way.

I will keeping hoping another lucky day found me, it isn't even long ago that I win some good amount using few dollars, this is gambling, I don't have to stress myself finding ways that are more confusing or such, I am fine using this same way every time.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 30, 2024, 01:52:22 AM

You just have to be very careful, when you are doing this. Some casinos are sharing the same odds providers and I have seen cases where the IP addreses and/or Mac addresses of the devices were matched and the accounts closed for arbitrage betting.

Casinos also quickly pick up when you are beating the system and they will counter with restrictions on your account (limiting) or they will just lock or block the account, based on the severity of your actions.

This is bad, when they have a VIP ranking system and you reach a high VIP level and then your account gets locked.

Again. This is ONLY for US regulated sportsbooks. I am not saying anything on books outside the US or crypto sites. So no they're not tracking IPs across sites. But yes they can close you for arbitraging but its not like they can just steal your money.

Quote from: sunsilk on January 30, 2024, 12:06:25 AM

It sounds easy and by the books it's possible but if I'm going to do the actuality, I'm expecting that there will be some mishaps and it won't really be 3%-5% having that thousand of bankroll everyday.

As for you Tim, it's best to prove it to us and like giving some stats and updates if that's not bothering you on a daily basis or even weekly. That's going to make it interesting.

I know that arbitrage still works but proving that to myself makes me wanna go off from it.

No thats not what I was saying. I am saying 3-5% of your total bet on a given arbitrage bet. You're not going to use every dollar you have and be able to play unlimited bets. The sites can limit your bets so you may only be able to bet $1k on a given market, so you're looking at 3-5% on that.

Quote from: Poker Player on January 28, 2024, 01:04:26 PM

I'm going to hold back for now but the way the OP is selling his system sounds pretty scammy to me. If it's so easy to have an ROI of between 3 and 5% per day, let's say 4%, multiplied by 30 days average of a month a 120% monthly return. But if we dig a little we will see that it is nowhere near as easy as the OP paints it, and khaled0111 and others have explained it well.

All these systems that sound so wonderful are usually good only to fill the pocket of the one selling them.

Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 26, 2024, 08:42:41 PM

I knew this thread would be tough to post on a crypto forum...

A crypto forum but where many of us have been betting for over a decade, as well as knowing finance, statistics and scams.

The reason I mention a crypto forum is because I don't do this method on crypto gambling sites because they're not as trust worthy imo. Also I am in the US, so this method isn't viable to some one outside of the US.

I have a free sportsbetting hedge guide you can check out on the site, or a free youtube video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWJ6JGgIp4E

Or just go on youtube and type in something like "How to arbitrage sports bet" and click on a video with a lot of views.

Also, never said this was 100% risk free, you have to watch lines for 12 hours to get a full days worth, and many other risky elements that you would learn in my guide.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on January 30, 2024, 03:58:32 PM

Maybe this could be a good recommendation for the benefits of those who are just starting and never had any records of huge loss because they may just have e begin one with this, this is something what many other gamblers have been trying to avoid beca anything whose risk is far higher than the benefits they try to avoid having a try on, even though this doesn't mean some are not winning, but on a low chances of survival.

Actually, NO. Market Arbitrage, whether it's arbing the markets of legacy markets, cryptocurrencies, or sports-betting is definitely NOT for those people who have just gotten started in their gambling/sports-betting journey. Why? Because,

1) It requires a large amount of capital deposited to at least two different sports-betting sites
2) Arbers are hated by sports-betting sites because they merely take advantage of market inefficiencies, and don't actually gamble. Your money might be at risk if the site knows you're an arber.
3) It's not that easy.

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Maybe this could be a good recommendation for the benefits of those who are just starting and never had any records of huge loss because they may just have e begin one with this, this is something what many other gamblers have been trying to avoid beca anything whose risk is far higher than the benefits they try to avoid having a try on, even though this doesn't mean some are not winning, but on a low chances of survival.

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I'm not accusing OP of being a scammer, but BitcoinTalk is a target for scammers because many users in the forum have money, and they are held in crypto which can be moved around very easily.

Neither do I at the moment, although it smells like it. In other cases as soon as I saw the offer of the "system" I have tagged the OP as a scammer but in this case it has a certain plausibility as well as nuances, but certainly someone who knows how things work is not fooled by how he sells it (as if it were easy to earn thousands per month with his system).

I always give people the benefit of the doubt, and we should also try to avoid calling people in the forum "scammers", unless proven guilty. Let's wait for someone else to try the service, and his/her "review". Hahaha. Although, and it's obvious, we should be very careful if the posters giving positive reviews were either brand new accounts or newbies.

But did anyone go to his site? I didn't click the link. I probably should make another VM for clicking anything potentially suspicious.

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You just have to be very careful, when you are doing this. Some casinos are sharing the same odds providers and I have seen cases where the IP addreses and/or Mac addresses of the devices were matched and the accounts closed for arbitrage betting.

Casinos also quickly pick up when you are beating the system and they will counter with restrictions on your account (limiting) or they will just lock or block the account, based on the severity of your actions.

This is bad, when they have a VIP ranking system and you reach a high VIP level and then your account gets locked.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 28, 2024, 12:12:45 PM

But how much of these opportunties does an arber actually have? Everyone would be doing it if it was truly "easy money", and if there are enough opportunties to be taken.

Because logically, if there are more and more people arbing in sports-betting, then there would be less and less opportunties because the odds would become more and more efficient.

They have definitely decreased over the years, but there are still plenty of them available on a regular basis if you know where to look. You could manually find them yourself or use arbing softwares to help you find them easily.

I feel that the easiest way to find some great arbs is by focusing on back and lay arbs as well as staying patient and checking odds regularly.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 29, 2024, 05:05:42 AM

I'm not accusing OP of being a scammer, but BitcoinTalk is a target for scammers because many users in the forum have money, and they are held in crypto which can be moved around very easily.

Neither do I at the moment, although it smells like it. In other cases as soon as I saw the offer of the "system" I have tagged the OP as a scammer but in this case it has a certain plausibility as well as nuances, but certainly someone who knows how things work is not fooled by how he sells it (as if it were easy to earn thousands per month with his system).

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It sounds easy and by the books it's possible but if I'm going to do the actuality, I'm expecting that there will be some mishaps and it won't really be 3%-5% having that thousand of bankroll everyday.

As for you Tim, it's best to prove it to us and like giving some stats and updates if that's not bothering you on a daily basis or even weekly. That's going to make it interesting.

I know that arbitrage still works but proving that to myself makes me wanna go off from it.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 28, 2024, 01:04:26 PM

I'm going to hold back for now but the way the OP is selling his system sounds pretty scammy to me. If it's so easy to have an ROI of between 3 and 5% per day, let's say 4%, multiplied by 30 days average of a month a 120% monthly return. But if we dig a little we will see that it is nowhere near as easy as the OP paints it, and khaled0111 and others have explained it well.

All these systems that sound so wonderful are usually good only to fill the pocket of the one selling them.

Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 26, 2024, 08:42:41 PM

I knew this thread would be tough to post on a crypto forum...

A crypto forum but where many of us have been betting for over a decade, as well as knowing finance, statistics and scams.

Plus OP didn't need to mention anything about "knowing" that it would be "tough to post" in a form such as BitcoinTalk. It would be tough to post anywhere, ESPECIALLY in a gambling forum, not BitcoinTalk, where anyone including OP would probably think twice before posting "a system".

I'm not accusing OP of being a scammer, but BitcoinTalk is a target for scammers because many users in the forum have money, and they are held in crypto which can be moved around very easily.

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I'm going to hold back for now but the way the OP is selling his system sounds pretty scammy to me. If it's so easy to have an ROI of between 3 and 5% per day, let's say 4%, multiplied by 30 days average of a month a 120% monthly return. But if we dig a little we will see that it is nowhere near as easy as the OP paints it, and khaled0111 and others have explained it well.

All these systems that sound so wonderful are usually good only to fill the pocket of the one selling them.

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I knew this thread would be tough to post on a crypto forum...

A crypto forum but where many of us have been betting for over a decade, as well as knowing finance, statistics and scams.

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Although it's an almost guaranteed profit, there are few problems with arbitrage betting (aka arbing)!
Usually, it's hard to find an opportunity like the one you mentioned in OP because of the difference between the odds.
Second, supposing you find one, you will need a huge bankroll to make a good profit not to mention that most casinos will limit your account after few wins.

Then and most importantly, many casinos consider arbing illegal and may ban your account if they find out about it.

I'm replying to an old post, but it's relevant.

Plus OP said,

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If you had a 20k bankroll you could make $1054 in a day betting these games. Then you would have to withdrawal all the money, wait for it to deposit in your bank and then re add to the sites. (or if you're lucky, half the bets will win on each site so you don't need to reconcile on each)

But how much of these opportunties does an arber actually have? Everyone would be doing it if it was truly "easy money", and if there are enough opportunties to be taken.

Because logically, if there are more and more people arbing in sports-betting, then there would be less and less opportunties because the odds would become more and more efficient.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 18, 2024, 09:50:09 AM

Arbitraging isn't full proof and you can take losses in some situations. But its proven to work in the long term and you can be successful if you follow the rules of arbitraging. It all starts with using regulated sites in your area.

It's a risky thing because when the casinos find that you're using arbitrage then they might freeze your accounts or ban them altogether. I would suggest everyone to be careful from Sports betting arbitrage as someone who does it on sites that are often run in same location could get banned for the act.

The casinos might not pay such users if they find that the user was doing arbitrage. OP how long have you been doing sports betting arbitrage? Haven't you faced any account bans or freezing of your funds from the casinos? I think casino might take strict actions against the members who found to be doing sports betting arbitrage.

Yeah, I read some scam accusations posted here in BitcoinTalk where user closed their account due to suspicion of engaging in arbitrage betting. But some arbitrage betting may go undetected if the bettor is careful to spread their bets across multiple bookmakers, making it less obvious. Also if the bets are placed on less popular events or in smaller amount they may attract less attention from monitoring systems. However as technology improves casinos are continuously working to enhance their detection methods. So still be careful if you want to arbitrage betting.

I knew this thread would be tough to post on a crypto forum, but yeah. The person that was banned probably was on a unregulated site, and or something else happened. Regulated sites in the US are better to play on.

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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 18, 2024, 12:10:32 PM

Not everyone is as lucky as you are you know.

When most people see that money is being made through certain means, they care little or nothing about the strategy that was deployed and they end up becoming casualties or even complaining that it doesn't work as presented not knowing that there is more than just the general comment of arbitrage being lucrative.

You people have little knowledge about arbing which is why y'all are saying stuff which doesn't really make much sense. The only big casualty of arbing is getting limited since very, very few sites actually ban and steal player funds for arbing.

I advise you people to do more research about arbitrage betting and learn how good a strategy it truly is.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 18, 2024, 09:50:09 AM

Arbitraging isn't full proof and you can take losses in some situations. But its proven to work in the long term and you can be successful if you follow the rules of arbitraging. It all starts with using regulated sites in your area.

It's a risky thing because when the casinos find that you're using arbitrage then they might freeze your accounts or ban them altogether. I would suggest everyone to be careful from Sports betting arbitrage as someone who does it on sites that are often run in same location could get banned for the act.

The casinos might not pay such users if they find that the user was doing arbitrage. OP how long have you been doing sports betting arbitrage? Haven't you faced any account bans or freezing of your funds from the casinos? I think casino might take strict actions against the members who found to be doing sports betting arbitrage.

Yeah, I read some scam accusations posted here in BitcoinTalk where user closed their account due to suspicion of engaging in arbitrage betting. But some arbitrage betting may go undetected if the bettor is careful to spread their bets across multiple bookmakers, making it less obvious. Also if the bets are placed on less popular events or in smaller amount they may attract less attention from monitoring systems. However as technology improves casinos are continuously working to enhance their detection methods. So still be careful if you want to arbitrage betting.

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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 17, 2024, 11:22:09 PM

These and many more are the risks associated with the Arbitrage. As much as it makes money via variations, its the same way its volatility also avails you the opportunity to incur losses.

All of these must have been factored in before one decides to venture into the Arbitrage business, not just considering that it is a lucrative business.

Arbing isn't some foolproof way of earning money and there are some obvious risks associated with it, but it's still smart betting at the end of the day and is one of the few proven strategies to beat the house in the long-term.

I have personally done it myself and earned somewhat decent profits in the long-term thanks to max bet limits in various sportsbooks.

Not everyone is as lucky as you are you know.

When most people see that money is being made through certain means, they care little or nothing about the strategy that was deployed and they end up becoming casualties or even complaining that it doesn't work as presented not knowing that there is more than just the general comment of arbitrage being lucrative.

Anyone that does it is only doing that at his own risk, those that ha e done this before have actually exposed all that was in there not worthy of the risk we are taking for any reason, then why should we got enticed all because of making money which we may ended not making at all, if we are doing something, then we should first consider the risk involved and take measures on how to reduce them and not having them increasing the more, such is what you get with arbitrage.

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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 17, 2024, 11:22:09 PM

These and many more are the risks associated with the Arbitrage. As much as it makes money via variations, its the same way its volatility also avails you the opportunity to incur losses.

All of these must have been factored in before one decides to venture into the Arbitrage business, not just considering that it is a lucrative business.

Arbing isn't some foolproof way of earning money and there are some obvious risks associated with it, but it's still smart betting at the end of the day and is one of the few proven strategies to beat the house in the long-term.

I have personally done it myself and earned somewhat decent profits in the long-term thanks to max bet limits in various sportsbooks.

Not everyone is as lucky as you are you know.

When most people see that money is being made through certain means, they care little or nothing about the strategy that was deployed and they end up becoming casualties or even complaining that it doesn't work as presented not knowing that there is more than just the general comment of arbitrage being lucrative.

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Quote from: SamReomo on January 18, 2024, 11:49:45 AM

It's a risky thing because when the casinos find that you're using arbitrage then they might freeze your accounts or ban them altogether. I would suggest everyone to be careful from Sports betting arbitrage as someone who does it on sites that are often run in same location could get banned for the act.

Location is not the basis on being easily detected for doing this method but rather the similarity of the odds provider being use by the casino. There’s an instance that 2 different casino based on same country has different odds provider especially if it's catering international player.

This is the reason why it’s very easy to spot on crypto bookies because they are using same odds provider most of the time.

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The casinos might not pay such users if they find that the user was doing arbitrage. OP how long have you been doing sports betting arbitrage? Haven't you faced any account bans or freezing of your funds from the casinos? I think casino might take strict actions against the members who found to be doing sports betting arbitrage.

Correct, Casino will use this to not pay any players because they view it as exploiting odds error since this kind of bets was 100% guaranteed win.

The Only way OP can still be on this business if there’s a local bookie on his country that provides odds that is higher to the bookies operating internationally. This way, The chance of being connected is very slim due to difference on odds provider but there’s always a risk of being connected though since odds provider is not disclosed by the casino.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 18, 2024, 09:50:09 AM

Arbitraging isn't full proof and you can take losses in some situations. But its proven to work in the long term and you can be successful if you follow the rules of arbitraging. It all starts with using regulated sites in your area.

It's a risky thing because when the casinos find that you're using arbitrage then they might freeze your accounts or ban them altogether. I would suggest everyone to be careful from Sports betting arbitrage as someone who does it on sites that are often run in same location could get banned for the act.

The casinos might not pay such users if they find that the user was doing arbitrage. OP how long have you been doing sports betting arbitrage? Haven't you faced any account bans or freezing of your funds from the casinos? I think casino might take strict actions against the members who found to be doing sports betting arbitrage.

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I cannot risk $20k by depositing it in two different sportsbooks....

These and many more are the risks associated with the Arbitrage. As much as it makes money via variations, its the same way its volatility also avails you the opportunity to incur losses.

All of these must have been factored in before one decides to venture into the Arbitrage business, not just considering that it is a lucrative business.

Arbitraging isn't full proof and you can take losses in some situations. But its proven to work in the long term and you can be successful if you follow the rules of arbitraging. It all starts with using regulated sites in your area.

You don't need to have 20k to arbitrage, you can arbitrage with anything. You're getting 2-5% per arbitrage, so if you have $1k you can make 20-50$ a day which is not bad.

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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 17, 2024, 11:22:09 PM

These and many more are the risks associated with the Arbitrage. As much as it makes money via variations, its the same way its volatility also avails you the opportunity to incur losses.

All of these must have been factored in before one decides to venture into the Arbitrage business, not just considering that it is a lucrative business.

Arbing isn't some foolproof way of earning money and there are some obvious risks associated with it, but it's still smart betting at the end of the day and is one of the few proven strategies to beat the house in the long-term.

I have personally done it myself and earned somewhat decent profits in the long-term thanks to max bet limits in various sportsbooks.

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Well my contention here is that sometimes in different options, the games end up being lose. You can bet for example Barcelona in different options usually direct win, win either half, over 2.5. So in such instance, the match can end up as Barcelona losing the match to the opponent. What such means is that the gamblers options ended as losing, it is as simple as that. Usually this is to the dismay of the gambler and you keep wondering what hardluck that came to you.

Arbitrage can also be profitable and you win lots of money from it.

Well, if you cover all the possibilities then you're going to be just fine and you've said it already, that arbitrage is profitable which means that this possible scenario that you're talking about isn't an uncommon occurrence so even with that worry, I do think that it's not enough to not say that arbitrage isn't worth a try especially if you've got people that can help you start profiting with that method. That depends on the person, since what you're talking about as I believe to be an uncommon occurrence, I do think that there's not a lot of people that's got to wonder that kind of thing.

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Quote from: dezoel on December 04, 2023, 12:53:49 PM

I cannot risk $20k by depositing it in two different sportsbooks....

These and many more are the risks associated with the Arbitrage. As much as it makes money via variations, its the same way its volatility also avails you the opportunity to incur losses.

All of these must have been factored in before one decides to venture into the Arbitrage business, not just considering that it is a lucrative business.

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Who else arbitrage bets, I want to hear your stories if you're using regulated sites in the US.

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Quote from: sujonali1819 on January 13, 2024, 11:31:26 AM

Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 13, 2024, 11:10:11 AM

Arbitraging in general means you have limited the risk by betting on both sides of the market. So in the case of sportsbetting you bet that Team 1 and Team 2 will win. In most sports outside of american soccer you have a winner. So Team 1 or Team 2 will win, in which you have bet on both winners.

If you look in the OP you will see an example, where the payout is larger than the original bet + the losing bet.

Seems now to make sense, and I have some ideas regarding this. I will do more research about it. Thank you.

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Odds change every second, so you have to be quick!

Then is there not a chance of marking the bet as a late bet by the provider?

Im not 100% sure what you mean by your second comment. But if you mean, is there a chance the second bet doesnt go through and the odds change before its accepted?

Yes this can happen, but there are a lot of different ways you can hedge this risk and avoid it. With arbitrage betting you won't successfully win every bet, because sometimes the odds will shift and you will need to take a hedged loss.

However, there are a lot of different things you can do to understand these risks. Ex: If its the 4th quarter of the game, you dont wanna bet because the odds shift way to much.

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you typically want to bet on the favorite first, because then if the odds do change, its more likely to be in your favor, or not be as hurtful.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 13, 2024, 11:10:11 AM

Arbitraging in general means you have limited the risk by betting on both sides of the market. So in the case of sportsbetting you bet that Team 1 and Team 2 will win. In most sports outside of american soccer you have a winner. So Team 1 or Team 2 will win, in which you have bet on both winners.

If you look in the OP you will see an example, where the payout is larger than the original bet + the losing bet.

Seems now to make sense, and I have some ideas regarding this. I will do more research about it. Thank you.

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Odds change every second, so you have to be quick!

Then is there not a chance of marking the bet as a late bet by the provider?

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Who else wants to learn how to arbitrage using US regulated sites? PM me and I would love to help.

What does this arbitrage trading means actually? I don't have any experience. It would be good if you can explain something here.

As I can understand after reading some comments here, is it something like betting on some games with 0.01x odds? or something like the games that could have a pure win result? For example at the end of the game?

Arbitraging in general means you have limited the risk by betting on both sides of the market. So in the case of sportsbetting you bet that Team 1 and Team 2 will win. In most sports outside of american soccer you have a winner. So Team 1 or Team 2 will win, in which you have bet on both winners.

If you look in the OP you will see an example, where the payout is larger than the original bet + the losing bet.

This occurs because during a given game, sports sites will disagree on who they think should be favorited. Odds change every second, so you have to be quick!

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on January 12, 2024, 10:02:47 PM

Who else wants to learn how to arbitrage using US regulated sites? PM me and I would love to help.

What does this arbitrage trading means actually? I don't have any experience. It would be good if you can explain something here.

As I can understand after reading some comments here, is it something like betting on some games with 0.01x odds? or something like the games that could have a pure win result? For example at the end of the game?

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Quote from: Hispo on December 10, 2023, 02:55:07 PM

If anyone wanted to arbitrage, why doing it in a casino and using bookies which will likely ban you permanently when they find out? If one has a big enough budget to invest it would be easier and less risky to try to arbitrage using the differences of price of Bitcoin amoung different exchanges or even between different countries. It is less risky, but requires more set up and the same big bankroll to effectively get some gains.

For example, if I had family living in countries where Bitcoin has more demand and it is more valuable in FIAT/USD, I would try to send some, get back the FIAT and use it to buy more BTC here, until the prices eventually equal themselves, which would signal the time to move onto a different market or pair.
If arbitrage was so easy to perform in a casino then the dynamics and the knowledge of it would be more widespread, instead, nowadays it is rather a gimmick.

Doesn't have to be you that's doing all the betting to complete an arbitrage, you can always rely on a trusted friend or a loved ones to place the bet but I recommend a trusted friend because they know when to shut up and they know how to bet by themselves unlike with your loved ones, they might not be able to do it or they're too suspicious because they would blabber that this isn't their bet. It's easy to do, the real challenge is finding the sites that are giving out a good odds on a particular game and not to mention that you need to also process each withdrawal and deposits for each betting sites you're using which you're going to be using a lot. Arbitrage on bitcoin trading is a little difficult in my opinion and it's expensive to also do that arbitrage if you're starting with a small amount of money.

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Quote from: Hispo on December 10, 2023, 02:55:07 PM

If anyone wanted to arbitrage, why doing it in a casino and using bookies which will likely ban you permanently when they find out? If one has a big enough budget to invest it would be easier and less risky to try to arbitrage using the differences of price of Bitcoin amoung different exchanges or even between different countries. It is less risky, but requires more set up and the same big bankroll to effectively get some gains.

For example, if I had family living in countries where Bitcoin has more demand and it is more valuable in FIAT/USD, I would try to send some, get back the FIAT and use it to buy more BTC here, until the prices eventually equal themselves, which would signal the time to move onto a different market or pair.
If arbitrage was so easy to perform in a casino then the dynamics and the knowledge of it would be more widespread, instead, nowadays it is rather a gimmick.

My thread isn't talking about bitcoin sites.

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If anyone wanted to arbitrage, why doing it in a casino and using bookies which will likely ban you permanently when they find out? If one has a big enough budget to invest it would be easier and less risky to try to arbitrage using the differences of price of Bitcoin amoung different exchanges or even between different countries. It is less risky, but requires more set up and the same big bankroll to effectively get some gains.

For example, if I had family living in countries where Bitcoin has more demand and it is more valuable in FIAT/USD, I would try to send some, get back the FIAT and use it to buy more BTC here, until the prices eventually equal themselves, which would signal the time to move onto a different market or pair.
If arbitrage was so easy to perform in a casino then the dynamics and the knowledge of it would be more widespread, instead, nowadays it is rather a gimmick.

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Have you guys arbitraged and if so, how much have you made in 2023? If you wanna learn how and are in the US PM me.

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thats what i say too .arbitration is legal and always has been.but the bookmakers who limit are performing an illegal activity.we see how many convictions there are against sites for imposing a limit or blocking an account

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Quote from: LEVSKI7 on December 04, 2023, 04:47:23 PM

In the USA, only Ceasars does not limit, but if you play, you will still be limited without playing arbitrage
there the law is against the users as long as it allows this fraudulent activity on the sites

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. Ceasars does limit, and arbitraging isn't fraud.

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there the law is against the users as long as it allows this fraudulent activity on the sites

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Quote from: dezoel on December 04, 2023, 12:53:49 PM

It doesn't work the same way for everyone, and there are a lot more risks than you've mentioned, I think you forgot to mention that it's against the terms and conditions of the casinos, and any casino or sportsbook would ban or block the account of the gambler without a delay, and confiscate the funds immediately if they suspect they are doing something like this. So, I would say that it's better for a gambler to simply place one side bet instead.

I cannot risk $20k by depositing it in two different sportsbooks and then doing arbitrage betting because once one of the two sportsbooks suspects what I'm doing, things will get out of hand and if they confiscate the funds and lock my accounts, there is nothing I can do except contacting them and they barely return any money.

If you're using a regulated book in the US like I have mentioned they can not simply steal your funds. They can decline your bets, but they can not steal your money.

You would want to use as many books as you can, I wouldn't suggest using 2 books. however if those are the only you have available, then you could deposit like 2k on each site, so that you can make a bet and arb out. And then you could deposit more if another bet arises. With ACH your account is credited before the funds are actually taken, so its important to know some bank management before continuing with this.

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It doesn't work the same way for everyone, and there are a lot more risks than you've mentioned, I think you forgot to mention that it's against the terms and conditions of the casinos, and any casino or sportsbook would ban or block the account of the gambler without a delay, and confiscate the funds immediately if they suspect they are doing something like this. So, I would say that it's better for a gambler to simply place one side bet instead.

I cannot risk $20k by depositing it in two different sportsbooks and then doing arbitrage betting because once one of the two sportsbooks suspects what I'm doing, things will get out of hand and if they confiscate the funds and lock my accounts, there is nothing I can do except contacting them and they barely return any money.

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I`ve seen several groups that gave signals for such bets. First of all you had to create accounts on all bookies that you can. After it there were two ways - you can buy software and get signals at home or pay some sum every month and get signals in telegram group. Sometimes the profit was higher than you paid for the signals.

You can find arbitrages on your own. So this is a bit different. You don't need to paid for signals or anything like that. You will gain access to live webinars where we show them for free, and the discord will post arbs as people see them.

So, it means, that you learn how to search arbs. After that some group of people joins discord/telegram and post arbs, they see? It looks like the groups i talked about with the only difference - it is for free and all the members try to find some more arbs. May be it can be profitable, but it need to much time as i understand.

arbitraging does take some time and understanding. You don't want to bet a game you think is an arb and get burned.

If anyone is interested, I would love to help you. just pm.

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Quote from: mak013 on November 29, 2023, 03:06:15 AM

I`ve seen several groups that gave signals for such bets. First of all you had to create accounts on all bookies that you can. After it there were two ways - you can buy software and get signals at home or pay some sum every month and get signals in telegram group. Sometimes the profit was higher than you paid for the signals.

You can find arbitrages on your own. So this is a bit different. You don't need to paid for signals or anything like that. You will gain access to live webinars where we show them for free, and the discord will post arbs as people see them.

So, it means, that you learn how to search arbs. After that some group of people joins discord/telegram and post arbs, they see? It looks like the groups i talked about with the only difference - it is for free and all the members try to find some more arbs. May be it can be profitable, but it need to much time as i understand.

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Quote from: mak013 on November 29, 2023, 03:06:15 AM

I`ve seen several groups that gave signals for such bets. First of all you had to create accounts on all bookies that you can. After it there were two ways - you can buy software and get signals at home or pay some sum every month and get signals in telegram group. Sometimes the profit was higher than you paid for the signals.

You can find arbitrages on your own. So this is a bit different. You don't need to paid for signals or anything like that. You will gain access to live webinars where we show them for free, and the discord will post arbs as people see them.

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Quote from: cabron on November 27, 2023, 12:55:42 PM

How accurate are the tools they sell for $999 and are they going to help players to look for the matches that are suitable to bet?

This service offers a huge opportunity for sports bettors. The downside is that most gamblers in crypto are not very open to submitting KYC to every sports betting platform that possitivebetting will recommend. And there's also a chance that their account going to be banned as well.

The site is mine. The $999 isn't any software, the 999 is hours of video tutorials showing people how to arbitrage with live help. You also get access to live webinars where you watch me live arbitrage.

Yeah, you need to complete KYC and be in a state that allows sports betting. I do not recommend anyone to use a VPN, and you need to use your details. The other hard part of arbitraging initially, is I recommend you have $3-5k to deposit to multiple sites, so that you can make multiple bets before having to withdrawal and redeposit.

You would get limited if caught arbitraging. But you can withdrawal. There are other risks associated with arbitraging which is also explained.

But I wouldn't work with anyone who is outside the US or in a state that doesn't allow sportsbetting like TX.

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How accurate are the tools they sell for $999 and are they going to help players to look for the matches that are suitable to bet?

This service offers a huge opportunity for sports bettors. The downside is that most gamblers in crypto are not very open to submitting KYC to every sports betting platform that possitivebetting will recommend. And there's also a chance that their account going to be banned as well.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on November 27, 2023, 11:39:14 AM

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If you're interested, check out https://positivebetting.com/ where we can teach you everything you need to know about arbitraging. You can watch tutorial videos, and join live webinars where we can all hit games together live.

What are your experiences with arbitraging?

It’s very hard to do this using crypto sportsbook since most of them is using same odds provider that will surely caught you before you can even have a withdrawal. Worst scenario is they freeze your account including your bankroll and wait for many months before you can get your capital.

Probably you are using fiat sportsbook or something that is not trusted here in the forum. Besides, Arbitrage betting is already not allowed on most of the sportsbook so I doubt someone will be interested to this method here.

In the US we have regulated sportsbooks so if they were to catch you. You account would be limited but you could withdrawal without any issues. Im not advocating for someone outside of the US to use a book in the US. I am saying if you live in a state that has books, you should use them.

I understand your point since US regulator is very strict when it comes to consumer protection. The problem is most of the casino here is not under the jurisdiction of US since their license is from Curaçao. Your suggestion only applicable to US based casino and not globally since some casino with Curacao license is very strict when comes to arbitrage betting.

You can check the scam accusation board to see that most of the complaints involved arbitrage betting which is considered as abuse by sportsbook.

Correct.

This is ONLY for US books. Anything to do with crypto or offshore books, is for another thread not this one. Thanks

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on November 27, 2023, 10:29:32 AM

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If you're interested, check out https://positivebetting.com/ where we can teach you everything you need to know about arbitraging. You can watch tutorial videos, and join live webinars where we can all hit games together live.

What are your experiences with arbitraging?

It’s very hard to do this using crypto sportsbook since most of them is using same odds provider that will surely caught you before you can even have a withdrawal. Worst scenario is they freeze your account including your bankroll and wait for many months before you can get your capital.

Probably you are using fiat sportsbook or something that is not trusted here in the forum. Besides, Arbitrage betting is already not allowed on most of the sportsbook so I doubt someone will be interested to this method here.

In the US we have regulated sportsbooks so if they were to catch you. You account would be limited but you could withdrawal without any issues. Im not advocating for someone outside of the US to use a book in the US. I am saying if you live in a state that has books, you should use them.

I understand your point since US regulator is very strict when it comes to consumer protection. The problem is most of the casino here is not under the jurisdiction of US since their license is from Curaçao. Your suggestion only applicable to US based casino and not globally since some casino with Curacao license is very strict when comes to arbitrage betting.

You can check the scam accusation board to see that most of the complaints involved arbitrage betting which is considered as abuse by sportsbook.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on November 27, 2023, 10:08:35 AM

Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on November 26, 2023, 02:20:43 PM

If you're interested, check out https://positivebetting.com/ where we can teach you everything you need to know about arbitraging. You can watch tutorial videos, and join live webinars where we can all hit games together live.

What are your experiences with arbitraging?

It’s very hard to do this using crypto sportsbook since most of them is using same odds provider that will surely caught you before you can even have a withdrawal. Worst scenario is they freeze your account including your bankroll and wait for many months before you can get your capital.

Probably you are using fiat sportsbook or something that is not trusted here in the forum. Besides, Arbitrage betting is already not allowed on most of the sportsbook so I doubt someone will be interested to this method here.

In the US we have regulated sportsbooks so if they were to catch you. You account would be limited but you could withdrawal without any issues. Im not advocating for someone outside of the US to use a book in the US. I am saying if you live in a state that has books, you should use them.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on November 26, 2023, 02:20:43 PM

If you're interested, check out https://positivebetting.com/ where we can teach you everything you need to know about arbitraging. You can watch tutorial videos, and join live webinars where we can all hit games together live.

What are your experiences with arbitraging?

It’s very hard to do this using crypto sportsbook since most of them is using same odds provider that will surely caught you before you can even have a withdrawal. Worst scenario is they freeze your account including your bankroll and wait for many months before you can get your capital.

Probably you are using fiat sportsbook or something that is not trusted here in the forum. Besides, Arbitrage betting is already not allowed on most of the sportsbook so I doubt someone will be interested to this method here.

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It is as risky as betting a single side. Like arbitrage betting in soccer is not also a guarantee. I have seen some gamblers who bet a match with different options with the hope to win one of the options but it never happens. If arbitrage betting was a sure road to winning then it is just as easy as money in the bank. . For example in soccer you can bet the option of 1,2 or 12 in a particular game but at FT, the score result in X (that is draw), it means you have lost from all the options. It is no guarantee for winning.

Not really as long as the odds are high enough that no matter who wins, you will still be getting a profit and the money that you've betted on the losing side is also won from your bet then it's not so bad at all. That's why you should choose the odds that will bring you back your other bet and arbitrage requires that you're paying attention to the odds I am sure that's already a common sense, if you know that you won't get a profit doing an arbitrage bet then don't do it in that match, there's always a time or a match for you to do arbitrage anyways. The only problem that is present here is that there's a potential that the sportsbetting or bookmaking site will not approve of this strategy as there are past actions like this that lead to people being banned.

Well my contention here is that sometimes in different options, the games end up being lose. You can bet for example Barcelona in different options usually direct win, win either half, over 2.5. So in such instance, the match can end up as Barcelona losing the match to the opponent. What such means is that the gamblers options ended as losing, it is as simple as that. Usually this is to the dismay of the gambler and you keep wondering what hardluck that came to you.

Arbitrage can also be profitable and you win lots of money from it.

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Quote from: EKoston on November 27, 2023, 03:28:10 AM

in the past few years ago it was really a good option to stick with arb betting (we called it surebetting)

but there are a few problems here

first you need bookmakers where you can handle such big amounts, and they are safe there
other thing is, to find the gab in for examples - handicap and + handicap

cause the solid bookies are quite sharp when it comes to lines and odds

if you find such a game like OP mentioned, than its ok and you can try it, but as i said, you need trustfull bookie here to handle such amounts. and you have to be fast before odds/line changes (means you should use markets with much liquidity to handle such amounts and have lines which still exists after a 10K bet)

If you're in the US, then you can use any regulated book. If they're licensed they can handle the bets, and I wouldn't recommend betting more than 2k for your first bet so you shouldn't run into trouble. You're correct though, arbitraging you need to move fast, if the lines move in a negative direction then you would need to take a loss. You'll get more bets in than the sites changing odds on you though, so its still profitable.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on November 26, 2023, 02:58:46 PM

It is as risky as betting a single side. Like arbitrage betting in soccer is not also a guarantee. I have seen some gamblers who bet a match with different options with the hope to win one of the options but it never happens. If arbitrage betting was a sure road to winning then it is just as easy as money in the bank. . For example in soccer you can bet the option of 1,2 or 12 in a particular game but at FT, the score result in X (that is draw), it means you have lost from all the options. It is no guarantee for winning.

Not really as long as the odds are high enough that no matter who wins, you will still be getting a profit and the money that you've betted on the losing side is also won from your bet then it's not so bad at all. That's why you should choose the odds that will bring you back your other bet and arbitrage requires that you're paying attention to the odds I am sure that's already a common sense, if you know that you won't get a profit doing an arbitrage bet then don't do it in that match, there's always a time or a match for you to do arbitrage anyways. The only problem that is present here is that there's a potential that the sportsbetting or bookmaking site will not approve of this strategy as there are past actions like this that lead to people being banned.

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in the past few years ago it was really a good option to stick with arb betting (we called it surebetting)

but there are a few problems here

first you need bookmakers where you can handle such big amounts, and they are safe there
other thing is, to find the gab in for examples - handicap and + handicap

cause the solid bookies are quite sharp when it comes to lines and odds

if you find such a game like OP mentioned, than its ok and you can try it, but as i said, you need trustfull bookie here to handle such amounts. and you have to be fast before odds/line changes (means you should use markets with much liquidity to handle such amounts and have lines which still exists after a 10K bet)

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Although it's an almost guaranteed profit, there are few problems with arbitrage betting (aka arbing)!
Usually, it's hard to find an opportunity like the one you mentioned in OP because of the difference between the odds.
Second, supposing you find one, you will need a huge bankroll to make a good profit not to mention that most casinos will limit your account after few wins.
Then and most importantly, many casinos consider arbing illegal and may ban your account if they find out about it.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on November 26, 2023, 02:58:46 PM

I have seen some gamblers who bet a match with different options with the hope to win one of the options but it never happens.

I have not only seen someone who has been on this before, but I have also done this more than three times, and it was on sport betting, where I have predicted about 5–10 games that I wager with a small amount.

Later, after looking at the script for the second time, I still went ahead and edited the game, up to three different options with the hope that if one did not enter, the other would enter, and there was no way that the three slips would all be cut at the same time, but I was wrong; it was the very game I was so sure about that ended the entire slip in the middle of the game.

No matter how certain a game might appear to be, I can never risk more than I usually use to wager, and if you try to share the game on a different casino or bet slip, you will end up spending more than you have budgeted, and even when one of the games enters, if you do the math very well, you might later be on the losing side, deducting the other amount lost on your other bet slip.

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All forms of betting is risky, of which arbitrage is not an exception to it, considering the fact that mostly in sport betting (i.e soccer) it involves 3 major options (Home, Away or Draw), of which if you bet on either Home to win, you still have 2 other options (i.e Away or Draw), likely to make you lose your bet if the prediction doesn't go as played, and same goes to when you bet on either "Away" or "Draw", unless only when you bet on Over & Under (i.e Ov2.5 & Un2.5), that the options are likely to be only 2, but yet it's odds are always very small.

But yet, if there is anyway you could teach those who will be interested in learning arbitrage betting here on this forum, it will be a pleasure, rather than referring us to a third party website.

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on November 26, 2023, 03:11:50 PM

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Arbitraging is far from risk free, and even if you bet both sides of the game you can run into issues like the sites going bankrupt

It is as risky as betting a single side. Like arbitrage betting in soccer is not also a guarantee. I have seen some gamblers who bet a match with different options with the hope to win one of the options but it never happens. If arbitrage betting was a sure road to winning then it is just as easy as money in the bank. . For example in soccer you can bet the option of 1,2 or 12 in a particular game but at FT, the score result in X (that is draw), it means you have lost from all the options. It is no guarantee for winning.

If there can be different outcomes then it's not an arbitrage. You can't arbitrage soccer unless you bet over under on goals, which I have rarely seen off.

Apart from goals, you can bet on direct win for different sides just like the example I gave for soccer. Some gamblers do that out of desperation or may their way of ensuring winning. They also target goals at some point.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on November 26, 2023, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on November 26, 2023, 02:20:43 PM

Arbitraging is far from risk free, and even if you bet both sides of the game you can run into issues like the sites going bankrupt

It is as risky as betting a single side. Like arbitrage betting in soccer is not also a guarantee. I have seen some gamblers who bet a match with different options with the hope to win one of the options but it never happens. If arbitrage betting was a sure road to winning then it is just as easy as money in the bank. . For example in soccer you can bet the option of 1,2 or 12 in a particular game but at FT, the score result in X (that is draw), it means you have lost from all the options. It is no guarantee for winning.

If there can be different outcomes then it's not an arbitrage. You can't arbitrage soccer unless you bet over under on goals, which I have rarely seen off.

There are some risks associated with the bets though like you mentioned. If you bet over/under on points scored in a baseball game, different sites have rules if the game doesn't finish. SO in this case, you could potentially have a loss and a void on a bet depending on the sites rules.

If you're betting a ML then its like a 99.99% chance that you make money with American sports outside of soccer where you can have a draw. (assuming you're not using a book that goes bankrupt before you withdrawal)

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Quote from: TimtheYoutuber on November 26, 2023, 02:20:43 PM

Arbitraging is far from risk free, and even if you bet both sides of the game you can run into issues like the sites going bankrupt

It is as risky as betting a single side. Like arbitrage betting in soccer is not also a guarantee. I have seen some gamblers who bet a match with different options with the hope to win one of the options but it never happens. If arbitrage betting was a sure road to winning then it is just as easy as money in the bank. . For example in soccer you can bet the option of 1,2 or 12 in a particular game but at FT, the score result in X (that is draw), it means you have lost from all the options. It is no guarantee for winning.

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Example of a profitable bet- Over $200 profit and a $3795 total bet between the 2, making it a 5%+ ROI bet.

PM me if you have any questions and I would love to help.

If you had a 20k bankroll you could make $1054 in a day betting these games. Then you would have to withdrawal all the money, wait for it to deposit in your bank and then re add to the sites. (or if you're lucky, half the bets will win on each site so you don't need to reconcile on each)

If you like sports betting, try arbitraging games live. You make a small RIO per bet 3-5% but that can be hundreds if not thousands per day with good schedules. I'd recommend having a bankroll of $20k to start because you shouldn't be betting less than a few hundred per game, otherwise the profit per bet will be too small. [Must be in the US and be in a state that allows sports betting with some good options]

I personally arbitrage and have made $100k this year. Arbitraging is far from risk free, and even if you bet both sides of the game you can run into issues like the sites going bankrupt, or grading differently if the game doesn't finish. (This happens with baseball alot)

What are your experiences with arbitraging?

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