Topic: Legendary account banned (Read 693 times)

Comparing bumping threads to plagiarism is quite a reach.  Yes, both activities are against the rules, but punishment should fit the crime.

I just told you why he SHOULD receive special treatment over people that have done nothing here.

The more you put in the more you get out. What about this concept is hard to understand.

Imagine the board like a bank. You pay in 50k per year and occasionally do things that get you fined 5k. So long as you do not do them too often then you are net positive still by far. Now someone else who pays nothing per year comes along and does something worthy of a 5k fine and they are fucked because they simply did not pay in.

What are you suggesting that one of the very best scam hunters here gets perm banned for multi postings? How will the next wave of noobs that had no Bruno to warn them off piles millions in to a scam come and thank you? Are you suggesting this because if he got temp banned for it what would be the next step if not perm banned?

Now for instance he did something worthy of a perm ban for which there can be no excuse like scamming people himself of course there is no amount of credit one can build to null this. That would be like a 50 trillion dollar fine so bye bye for anyone.

Anyway if he got temp banned then why are you saying he got any kind of special treatment?  

People I have never heard of moaning about real legends of this board that have done huge things need to start waking up to the fact you need these people because those wanting this calibre of person  perm banned for multi posting are going to do nothing to replace him.  Tons of noobs getting fleeced for millions of dollars does a lot more damage than multi posting. Of course he must stop if theymos tells him to it is his board his rules but of course anyone with a sense of the greater good will not want Bruno banned for anything other than serious serious wrong doing that reduces him to net negative.

Why should he receive special treatment? He has done a lot of multi postings even after being warned multiple times. And that was not the first time.

He chose not to follow the rules, so he got banned.

Well that sounds fair enough - a person that has done so much for the forum deserves a bit of a wrist slap for that but why are people suggesting that is too soft? the guy is a real legend to many persons here on this forum and has saved people millions of dollars by crushing scams in the past....a bit of consecutive posting does not seem to be worthy of any thing stronger really to me.

I always think theymos is quite fair to people if he has time to review it.

You put more in you get more out. That seems fair enough to me.

AFAIK Bruno got his 7 day wrist slap for consecutive posting after being warned not to keep doing it.

For what exactly?
He is one of THE best scam hunters and biggest contributors here so I would doubt he did anything dodgy.

It already happens...

Bruno for example got 7 day bans instead of anything longer (gleb gemow).

It’s strange not to see a mod being so soft in this case as they normally do seem to be...

Please , leave Soy free ! Its one of the best French contributor , honest and friendly with newbies.
1 month bans are a good solution.
For Christmas make a good action sir !

Yikes only 20 or so legends pre merit that are not spammers.... that is worrying. Suchmoon will be annoyed to hear that unless he genuinely believes he is a top 20 net positive contributor here. I'm pleased Satoshi is not under the 99% microscope. I can only hope Theymos, GM, VB, LJ, DZ etc can squeeze in.

The top 200 merit/meta club will be here to thrash out which are and are not any time now. Not much room for them all though.

But they are lol  

(99% of it)

Look just relax. There is no need to get all huffy.

I don't go off  on tangents - i simply said let's see why he was banned. That I don't feel is off topic.

I have no idea what nonsense you are referring to.  There is no nonsense here in this thread. The only statement I see that could qualify for nonsense is saying most pre merit legends are spammers.

Just chill and have a normal discussion without feeling annoyed from the outset for being asked simple questions.

I never said that they don't deserve to know, you're just making shit up. Quite the contrary - I provide proof when I can, and merit others who do. Ideally that should be the first response in the thread (there is really no point to post generic bullshit like "most likely plagiarism bla bla bla" not supported by facts) and the subsequent discussion should be about the actual violation/ban/etc. You're the opposite of that, just yapping in tangents.

I realize you're too thick to grasp that and I'm just perpetuating your nonsense by replying to you. I'm out. Have a nice weekend.


So you're trying to make a point about not "deeply thinking about anything" by stepping into page 2 of a thread that you haven't read and have no clue about. Charming.

I dunno if any of that or this is on topic anymore, but... you sound like you're about to burn out. Also, you're talking about assumptions and prejudice and such and how others are not spending time researching issues/cases. You need to be self-critical, as I've seen you fail at that and you seem to not acknowledge it. It's easy to go through 100 threads a day and bark something "smart" in each of them without deeply thinking about anything. Many in these forums do that and I really don't know what good does it do.

I don't think you understand.

I am not discrediting anyones effort. I already told you up thread that I do see you are helping and I do appreciate it.

I see no assumptions simply requesting someone listens to their questions of why? and what got them banned.

I simply state all legends and heros deserve to at least see why ie the actual offence which got them banned. I do not think that is trying to discredit anyones work at all. Actually really anyone should at least see why they are banned. This thread actually does not discredit this decision it actually seems to have confirmed the correct action was taken. It seems you just do not like to think that anything should even be questioned or analysed. You should not be offended by that it is simply human nature to want to know exactly why they were punished.

Trust me when I say I have battled long and hard against the real largest turds in the cesspool for many years. I do tend to focus more on scams than spammers and plagiarists although I accept there is an over lap and all should be targeted.
However to state "most" pre merit legends are spammers then yes you must prove it if you want anyone to take that statement seriously because it is an outrageous and ludicrous statement.

Your main issue is not having much in the way of manners, I can only assume you live in a very privileged area or have never taken your tone off of the internet into real life.  Other than that you seem okay.

I am totally in support of cleaning up the board but not even 1 innocent or well meaning legend or hero or even anyone really should be deleted in the process or not at least give opportunity to know why he was banned and hear their side. I know everyone deserves fair trial but legends and heros have sometimes put so much effort in they should get priority. I see some disputing when they have only 100 posts, they are likely to spend that appealing so that could be pointless.

You're jumping into appeal threads with your fallacious assumptions as if every Legendary title is worth anything. It's not. And you're refusing to spend your own time researching any of these cases instead choosing to bark at people who do. If you want to help - find actual problems that need solving and work on it. What you're doing here is not helping anyone. You're discrediting the work of moderators and reporters for no good reason.


The fuck I need to prove... I'm digging in this shit every day. It's you who needs to take off the stilettos and take a dive in this cesspool.

I have contributed significantly to this community in the past.

Far from muddying the waters my only intention is to help ensure things that were great about this forum remain that way.

Apparently it would be correct to assume the earth is not round and rather it's an oblate spheroid.

When you have proven over 1000 pre merit legends are nothing other than spammers then I will perhaps take you more seriously.

No need to reply here since this person has obviously noticed his case for reinstatement is very weak to absolutely futile.

There are people who don't accept the Earth is round so you have company here.

The number may shrink if these assholes get reported and banned. Stop muddying the waters and find a way to contribute.

Many plagiarizers will spin the text or Google-translate from other languages, and much of these posts aren't picked up by an automated checking script. You would need to manually review the posts, which is just unfeasible.



All the more reason to ban them, but plagiarizers should be banned regardless of account age. We teach 5 year olds not to copy each other's work. Plagiarizing just once is enough for you to fail a class or be kicked out of university. This isn't some unknown, arbitrary, irrational rule we are talking about here. Not stealing other people's work is basic common sense in every form of schooling and employment.



I do agree that banned members should be told why they were banned, if they were banned for plagiarism, also told that their ban won't be reversed. It would cut down massively on the number of these threads that are opened every day.

Are you suggesting that if you have more activity the rules shouldn't be as strictly applied?

Is there a point to this? Hacked or not, the account is banned meaning a plagiarist is gone from the forum.

I don’t know why the topic of conversation didn’t turn to whether copy and pasting one post is enough to ban someone or not with so much activity. But nonetheless it might prove the account has been hacked,

My bad, I might have spoken too fast.

What I meant to say is that the account didn't change hands shortly before these spam posts, and until now.

I haven't known the owner long enough to extend this to 2013.

How do you know that? Posts made from 2013 to mid-2017 are primarily in Hardware and Mining with zero posts in French.

I agree with cryptohunter, account is either hacked or purchased. Well, he can prove us wrong by signing a message from this address:

It's actually not.
But yes it is his fault and he has accepted to take responsibility.
Continuing to flame on it has 0 added value. The question being answered this thread has no further purpose.

I would expect most legends on these mega threads and spamming sigs are not the original account holders. No  legit legend account is going to need be begging for scraps. Most legit legends either 1/ does not bother with sigs or 2/ promotes only the projects they believe in or support the person who launched it. Even if there are some real legends who have avoided somehow becoming wealthy on here they would hopefully be making a lot of great posts for every post on an airdrop of begging thread.  Turn off sigs on the alt discussion board and watch the quality rise. ANN threads for the most part are self moderated because communities are quick to notice new shitposters or bots. Only the alt discussion board seems to attract lots of fake conversations and only just above obvious bot level posts.

I will not at all accept "most" pre merit legends are spammers. I would expect the rate of legends being demonstrated as real bad eggs like this account will shrink drastically over time.

So far I see 2 people wrongly accused but those were not actually legend accounts.

Still any legend should be shown why they were banned. This person has zero chance now of being reinstated and that is his own fault. Must be a purchased account.

Nonsense. Have you forgot that one day you've plagiarized a few messages? I believe that it was done by you intentionally to increase your post count.

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More Legendaries are caught plagiarizing in a single month than the total number of users who attained Legendary status in the last 10 months. Think about that for a few minutes.

And that's just the ones who are caught breaking the rules in the most blatant way. Visit a few hundred megathreads and let us know how "few" Legendaries you find posting inane garbage.

Sorry about this, I have the same problem with my account from 2013. This is my thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-would-like-to-recover-my-banned-account-please-5078445

I was banned because "sending personal messages". I was looking for some devs and I replied to 3/4 of them with the same answer, that´s why I received a ban. After that, I contacted theymos 1 month ago and some admins via pm but noone reply and the mods don´t have idea about how to resolve this.

It is very frustrating for a forum like bitcointalk, I think someone should take care about this.

So this guy Soy was a legend who did any or all of these things?  Guess I must've missed it.

I can't either, but it seems like a lot of people are taking the lazy way out as far as posting things, likely in languages they don't fully have a grasp on.  An older member ought to know by now not to do this, and it's not like the offense that was cited here was all that long ago.  It was at the beginning of 2018.

"most"  - you are being serious??  

If you had said a few or some but "most" is ludicrous. Nobody is going to believe "most" pre merit system legends are spammers.

I would not think any but a few bought legend accounts are real financially motivated plagiarists or spammers.

I am serious. All that was needed to become a Legendary was to keep posting for 2-3 years. There is nothing special about that title. This thread (and many others like it) proves that.

Says you whilst busy whacking off over your merits telling yourself "there can be only one" real legend.

"whining" ?  well that thread has been here several hours and you did not come forward and show the guy the evidence until I appear and say that he deserves to see it?  This is whining?? asking for evidence?

I have something to say on the subject - show him why he was banned in detail.  You have shown and I have said it looks bad. I don't expect someone who would copy and paste that bunch of crap to put forth further protest.

LOL "most pre merit legends are spammers " ??  please be serious. The real legends are mostly all pre merit.

Expect ridicule from you?  Please noob stop trying to sound self important again. You could have never have joined and nothing major would be any different. You are helping as you can which I commend and appreciate. Be satisfied with that because some people here have made huge differences and they still don't take your self important tone.

Don't flatter yourself. Keep your "legend" whining out of these appeal threads and you won't have to worry about this imaginary "stalking". Let moderators or whoever has evidence reply before making a fool of yourself.


Put on your Nikes and just do it.


Saying so doesn't make it so. You're not looking into any of that, you just see a Legendary title and you start whining how sad it is. Just stay out if you got nothing to say on the actual subject of the ban.


Exactly the point. These pre-merit "legends" can be egregious spammers (and most are). You can masturbate to their titles in private but when you do it publicly expect to be ridiculed.

Will you stop stalking me. You are very creepy. Also stop using my prior art in your avatar because I could have you banned for copy and paste with far more legitimacy than some that are getting accused of this nonsense.

Now to address your points.

Merit = nothing but back slapping circle jerk membership, it is an insiders club, of a group of individuals lurking in meta... so to tell me legends are not legends due to not having been in this insiders club hiding in meta for the last year is already laughable.

Legends are people here that have achieved HUGE things like busting open huge scams or helping investors find great projects from amongst the junk and scams. Standing up to bullies and scam enablers. These are legends.

Stop equating merit to anything other than being a tool to hold back bots and spammers.

I do not think it at all unreasonable for a member from 2012 to see exactly which posts got his account banned. This is not nonsense.

If he has done it a few times and this all looks to be financially motivated then sure let's wave him goodbye but let's at least see why he is banned. I don't see any reason he should be ignored after 6 yrs.

All legends/heros deserve to have a review at least to make sure the ban is justified.

We want rid of plagiarist who are ruining the board and are net negative but let's make sure they fit this category.

Having seen the evidence now though  it looks bad for him. Why even copy and paste this junk.

I won't be arguing further for this specific case but what a stupid copy and paste to lose your account over. Can't imagine why such an old member would even copy and paste such a load of rubbish.

Also regarding my idea to stop legends getting banned over this if they are not really net negative was for them (if they are confident) to pay 0.1btc or more depending on the size of their post history to have it reviewed.

I was just trying to figure out the best way to do that.

I guess you could perhaps do something like this.

Let's take a 10k post history account.

0.25btc to run it all through some copy and paste checker against google....whilst the reviewer has a general read of the quality of posts (not in huge detail)

reviewer will then publish his report and receive the 0.25btc  2 weeks later.  If the account exceeds the 1 in 1000 gets banned.

If the account is under the 1 in 1000 then

In that 2 week interval the first (different) person to find additional copy and paste will claim 0.125 btc ( of the 0.25 btc) if 1st reviewer has missed any ensuring first review needs to be accurate.  If they find more than 5 more examples they get the full amount.

This I have not given huge amounts of time to consider and actually I am not an expert at this game theory type stuff so perhaps that can easily be gamed somehow.

So the smarter people here can improve upon this or come up with something much better. This is just a suggestion.

Of course if you are a legend and you know you are not net positive then best not to waste your 0.25 or greater.  Even if you are found to be net positive and below the 1 in 1000 copy and paste you still lose your 0.25 for doing it at all  If you are not willing to pay 0.25btc to keep your legend account you obviously are not too worried about it.

I don't think copy and pasting guides should count. I don't think copy and pasting news in the correct thread or announcements should count. If you are trying to be helpful and the work is obviously not your original work and you were obviously not claiming it was that is not an attempt at plagiarism.

I am not a trouble maker as some have said I just like to see this great forum keep as it was years ago when people could be fair and reasonable. I have only seen 2 cases of unreasonable behaviour toward copy and pasters so it is not like I think none of them should be banned but even 1 person banned for trying to help someone else and for no personal gain is not in the spirit of this board.

To be fair to you (if you are the reporter which I am guessing you must be because you seem to know exactly which posts got them banned) it seems you have no as yet clearly caused anyone innocent to get banned. However to tell me it is nonsense for them to ask for the offending post to be revealed is not at all how it should work.  The evidence should be shown if requested. I mean you could save time if you sent them the offending post when they are banned so they need not come here and claim all their own posts are original.




 

I think what such,Lon posted is incriminating enough.

@soy, since you don’t know why you were banned and haven’t found it, I’m guessing your account wasn’t hacked as you’d have gone with that.

Time to pack up and leave the old account behind I guess... there’s not really any other option.

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Will you stop with this nonsense. These are not "legends", they're shitposters who happened to register before the merit system or bought or hacked those accounts.

You said you'll have a plan to solve this... whatever problem you thought needed solving. Where is the plan?

2012 account banned? wow this is an old account.

Very Sad to see another legend get canned.

I am interested to see what happened here.

Knowing soy from a long time on the french local forum I would be very curious to know about the incriminating post as well.

I hope someone can oblige. I couldn't find anything by myself.

I feel sorry about you Soy.

Banned or not you are a strong member of our community and I hope this can be resolved.

Hi, my legendary account "soy" (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/soy-73590) was banned with this message : ""Sorry soy, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: [email protected]"". I sent pm to hilarious to understand why and he replied "copy and paste".
However, all my messages are authentic. Can you review my ban, please?

Thanks.

Soy