Topic: LEGIT or QUIT List of Safe retailers (Read 8896 times)

Is www.Eastshore.xyz still good? About to purchase from them, can anyone vouch?

Anyone bought from www.miningwholesale.eu?

This is why it's good to do a little research before performing any transaction with any services. A couple of members already made scam accusations though not detailed about antminerfarm.com some months back.

• antminerfarm.com Review SCAM 100% DON'T BUY ANYTHING !
• antminerfarm.com scammer website !

I got burnt by SCAM SITE: ANTMINERFARM.COM *** SCAM!!! ***

did anyone buy from them?

Wonder the same... Hashexpert.net legit?

Scott offord's list, including hashexpert.net. ?  Anyone know?

https://coinminingcentral.com/ and https://miningwholesale.eu/  are they legitimate?

I buy more than 1 ASIC Miner from www.eastshore.xyz. Trusted Vendor and take care of the customer pretty well. I recommended this seller.

Hi, has this list been updated?

Im interested if any one has feedback regarding Miner Bros, Mining store 5111 and Coin Mining Central.

These stores have been listed on Asic Miner Value as trusted, but have recently burned my fingers with Innosilicon.

Any advise appreciated

Rick

https://antminersshop.com is scam I bought a s9 device from this site on February 16th. By the order number 1976 I paid it through Bitcoin I deposited 1CP41FsQ3FAhL3FHZpfqf9vrERp5akUrvu into 1GETwy9buurvmqRW1moJm6YGxeZz1rRetQ (0.242 Bitcoin ) But after 6 days I do not get the answer. And I saved all the conversations done with them. User silmejirzi  ( in site www.reddit.com ) It is the administrator and confirms here that the purchase is real It's a scam

فارسی زبانان عزیز این سایت تقلبی و اسکم و دزد هستش ، لطفا اشتباه من رو تکرار و از اون خرید نکنید . پولتون رو میدزده
 کاربر
silmejirzi گرداننده اون هست
 و دراینجا برای سوء استفاده کردن تایید میکنه که خرید واقعی هستش این یک کلاه برداری بزرگ هستش من خودم ساکن تهران هستم و متاسفانه بدون هیچ بررسی درستی گرفتار این آدم کثیف و بد ذات و دزد شدم

So Antminerstore.net is a scam or Antminerstore.com?

I believe ANTMINERSTORE.COM is a SCAM website.

If you look at the About page, there are a series of certificates.
I zoomed in on those certificates and found a couple of them with Best Source International, Ltd. as the company name.
I looked up Best Source International which is a company that resells in Alibaba.  I did some other research and found that a lot of scammers are using parts of Best Source's website because Best Source is viewed as a trusted company.  Best Source took a hit because of all of the scammers and they have taken action to remove as many as they can.  This one is still lingering.

Also, antminerstore.net's phone number is masked using google voice with an area code number from Arizona.

Antminersshop.com is definitely a scam site. You can call me. They don't take your calls after you send them bitcoin. Talk about safe ways to deal with them they cut you off.  Bad News.

Jason

I see this site is low quality site dude but I have not used this site buy the hardware. I still goes with the resellers in my country and for the GPU in the local electronic market as well.
Nope, if you want to buy the hardware like ASIC and PSU and all you have to go with the bitmain site to buy it. There are many scam site revolving around the internet so be careful and research more about this site dude.

Thank you for the kind words. I'm sorry I have been neglecting this thread.

I really like it, and would like to continuously update a master list based on experiences...

I know it's too late to make that Eastshore buy, but I have had nothing but great experiences from them... i bought a lot of L3+s from them, a few D3s and some PSUs (Liteons and apw3++)

They always delivered, either on time or early. The reason their prices are low is they just bulk buy from Bitmain et al, then tack on a $400-800 (well deserved) premiun. A lot of times after a Bitmain sale closes, Eastshore is updating their site, taking orders.


I do not work for Eastshore, I promise..., but maybe I should. I think they're my favorite...

Sorry to say it... Looks like a scam. Theres many of these fake sites out there preying on new buyers. No escrow, only take bitcoin, etc, generic gmail address, wix website... all red flags. Plus the D3 is a huge flag!

Well you can never be sure on your own.

By the way has anybody heard of https://www.bitmainmasters.com ? I've been hearing about it on multiple occasions. Most of my references are quite positive. There are also some words of caution and weird baseless accusations, obviously, but no real BAD ones. I'm actually lwant to hear if someone has done business with them.

good to know! Was looking at this site for quite a while, but wasn't sure of legitimacy.

first off, this topic probably really helped save a lot of money from falling into the wrong hands( i sound like comic book), congrats on that
since we somewhat established the legitimacy of eastshore.xyz, they are selling an antminer s9 for $1699 isn't it a bit cheap, am i wrong? or could they be slipping from grace or this is nothing to worry about

its my first post, so cheers to this bunch

some one has buy from them ?
https://szdihao.en.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.8443308.0.0.4OdDPt

they so legit,, from trans and rate... and review they got antminer l3+

and they accept btc too

can review it ?

i am a satisfied Deepinthemines customer
They built a rig for me, wonderfully done, few months ago, and recently i purchased a new BTC-pro250 from them, it came quickly and no problems, its operating as i type (the rig he built for me and the board i got from him) haha


Also, thx for making this thread! Newbs need this shit!

Stay away from these guys I ordered something small through them and they never sent never replied even on paypal weeks waiting overtime for delivery so I got paypal to refund. Thank god I used paypal

Back to:
https://www.newasic.com/
This one is interesting.
He is responsive.
Has anyone actually received something from them?

Doe anyone know anything about bithardware.net I was looking through some stuff on ebay and in one of the ads on the bottom of the screen showed this company. I tried to google them but nothing really came up. I looked through BCT forum and didn't see anything listed about these guys if anyone know anything about them let me know what you know.
thx

CoinFactory has BitMain's office number on the bottom of the page?

I found on the Bitmain forum:

"I received Antminers L3+ S9 T9 D3 R4 for a cheap price"

http://coinfactory.in

Posted by SteveBrian

LEGIT or QUIT?

I think someone referenced possibly a thread with an official list maintained, or is this it?

That's cool. Would you happen to have any satisfied customers you can point our way, or links to bitcointalk threads that chronicle successful trades?

It's just "i am legit" isn't as concrete as what we usually go on...

We are legit   

Has anybody here successfully ordered from Hardware Bros?

They've been posting recently on Dash and Bitcointalk forums.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2015201.new#new

http://hardwarebros.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=66

They accept Paypal, and their prices seem a good mix of mark up and reasonable.

BUT they don't seem to have been around for very long, so it's hard to establish their legitimacy.

Any experience / insight wouldmbe greatly appreciated.

I also have a few Ibelink DM11gs arriving soon. I might consider selling one at a premium if you're interested. Bought them to mine with, were hard to get, and will be able to mine soon, before some of these other models effected the difficulty.

Still, I might consider if the price were right. PM me if you're interested.

There really is no such thing as "knock off ASICs". It costs millions of dollars to produce... so like, there are different companies producing different models with their unique designs / hash rates / power draw / ship dates / profitability etc,

But it's too expensive / complicated to produce an ASIC, that there really can't be knock-offs. It's not like handbags, ya know?

You're right. I should've been clearer / more precise with my inclusion of Aliebaba on the Legit list.

Aliebaba does / can offer some levels of protection if you use it the right way, the Alibaba Trade Assurance Order being one of the ways. Another way is by the sellers rating (I believe their more trusted sellers are gold ranked. From what I remember, all (modt?) Gold rated sellers accepted the Trade  Assurance anyways...

Im sure people are getting scammed a bunch there, and there are no guarantees in life, but if you just deal with gold ranked members and use their TAO, I think you've mitigated a lot of your risks...

But ive actually never completed an order with them personally. Maybe somebody here would like to share their experience(?)

To avoid the huge increase to the X11 difficulty, you may want to consider the new Obelisk SC1 asic for Siacoin.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976753.20

Obelisk.tech

It's a long lead time, and they've never released an asic before (the obelisk asic company is comprised of Siacoin's development team), but the algo (blake2b) is much less likely to get saturated by competing asic companies.

Hash responsibly.

Leowonderful is absolutely correct. 4 other asic manufacturers have come / will soon be coming out with New models over the next few months.

Forgive me while I shamelessly tout my other thread that breaks down the tradeoffs of each.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042529.0;all

Whatever happens, it seems that the D3 is the best in breed,(esp for the price) and bitmain asics (esp first gen bitmain asics) tend to ROI and run for a bit... but Bitmain is  also known for mass producing asics like toasters.

Anyways, the problem is they sell out so quickly, Eastshore.xyz ( who just delivered my L3+s btw), don't even have them.

Right now, your best bet is either buying one from forum member Bittawm -- who I believe has 30 for sale, but expect a mark up for his troubles.

I might could sell u mine, but since I bought it to mine, I'd be looking for a major premium as well.

The other option is to try for the next batch from Bitmain, but those sell out very quickly and nobody knows when that'll be.

Yes, but once these miners hit the market they will blow up difficulty, and once you get yours in possibly the third batch difficulty will have risen likely to the point of L3+ profits or below. Not horrible but just keep in mind that difficulty is a big factor in these algos where hashrate and efficiency takes massive jumps.

Holy Crap!  I just ran the numbers on the D3.  It pays for itself in less than 2 weeks!  LOL.  My heart was set on the L3 because I thought it paid for itself the fastest.  I think my heart is set on the D3 now.

Alibaba is listed as LEGIT.  BUT I don't know if just because they list on Alibaba, they're LEGIT.  I've sent out an RFQ and contacted many sellers directly and I have gotten a lot of responses that say they can get me an Antminer L3+ for $1200 - $1600 and have it in immediate stock.  But they'll only take T/T, Bank Transfer, Western Union, or MoneyGram.  I've asked if they would do the Alibaba Trade Assurance Order Protection, and they won't do it.  Could there be that many people out there just taking your money or do you think they are manufacturing knock-off miners?  China is the king of knock-offs.  Can I attach a file?  I got an e-mail from Ms.Jimi Huang from Hjm-Light Technology  Co,.Ltd, (website:hjm-light.com).  There was a nice PDF brochure attached for the Ants mineS9 13.5T, Ants mining machine L3 + 504M, and the Ants Mine S7 4.73T.  I wish I could attach the PDF.

Oh, and I want to thank anyone who had input.  You are all very helpful.

Even if he is getting them for $750 from the factory, he could be selling them for a lot more.

Also, if he had a reliable coonect from the factory, and wanted to price hardware to move... he would probably me more established / better known... He isn't.

He could also be selling regularly through Alibaba and Aliexpress...

Of course I don't know this person, so I could be wrong, but I seriously think this site is a scam. If you still want to mess with him, I would suggest using Paypal, since they offer buyer protection if the seller never delivers.

It would still take you a while to get your money back, and you gotta make a claim blahblahblah, but at least that's better than the tragic finality of a crypto transfer. My guess is he won't go for it because he doesnt plan on sending anything... you could also suggest using somebody to provide escrow, but he won't want that for the same reason.

If your heart is set on the L3+, I suggest Eastshore.xyz
If you just want good hardware, I'd also suggest waiting for the next D3 batch to pop up on Bitmain (there was one last night that sold out in an hour, but I imagine there will be a lot more), or you could wait till Bitmain sells their next L3+ batch no idea when that'll be tho...

OR I think Bittawm (legendary bitcointalk member) may have some September batch D3s he'd be willing to sell.

All those options would be more expensive than NewAsic's prices, but they're also a lot cheaper since you'd be guaranteed to actually receive hardware.

I hope this was helpful.

I contacted this guy and asked that he send the power supply with the funds I already transferred and that after that arrived I would transfer the rest for the L3+.  He did not want to do that but offered to send my money back.  He says he gets the L3+ from the factory for $750 USD & sells for $1250, or actually 30 LTC, but needs my payment before he can order from the factory and seems that they ship direct from factory.  I expressed my concerns about how no one had these units, and he maintained that he is paying the factory.  I don't know, can there be some knock-offs being sold?  I don't know, maybe if he could send me a picture of the unit with serial number that I could verify with the factory, of course he needs payment first.  He did refund my 3 LTC, or actually 2.9900, I guess that's minus the network fees?

So, I bought my bitcoins for this payment on Sunday for $2700 and before I even get them they're worth only $2500.  I don't want to be in the currency exchange business, I want to be in the mining business.

I would say Brooklynhardware.us does LOOK more legit, but is still a SCAM site. QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT!!!

Forget that their S9s are priced at what Bitmain sold them for. Forget that their shop button was a dead link, since that's not a GREAT sign, but also not definitive either way.

nAH, the SHADIEST aspect is (drum roll please)

Their listed PHYSICAL ADDRESS on the site's contact page

1613 63rd St, Brooklyn, 11204, NY
Office Hours: Monday-Friday 7am-5pm (EST)
Email:  [email protected]

If you google that address, you get this...

Empire electric company (empireelectric.com)

And it's in a residential area, with no other Brooklyn Hardware storefront or office buildings nearby. One time, I almost bought from fake hardware company that turned out to be a chinese restaurant (i think I listed them earlier and made a wokchain joke).

If you know anybody who lives in New York, you could send them on a wild goose chace to an electric appliance store, see if their moonlighting as an ASIC online hardware retailer who sells S9s for at cost, but in lieu of that, I'd say QUIT ITand FORGET IT.

As for the Bitmain waiting list... it goes like this. You gotta check their website all the time... like, ALL THE TIME. When they announced their D3s, they were for sale for like 2 hours in the middle of the night... then they sold out. When are they coming back? "soon"... but it doesnt feel that way.

Most of the times i bought from them, it was the middle of the night. The L3+ "buy now" button turned from grey to red... only for a few minutes, then they sold out again. I would reccommend having crypto ready (they require crypto payment within an hour of placing an order)... or choosing the USD bank wire option, where you'll get a few 3-7 days to finalize a wire transfer to their account...

I would also recommend being signed in to your account BEFORE you try to buy, because products have sold out in the time it took me to sign in... Welcome to the crazy, frustrating, exhilerating world of crypto mining...

If you don't wanna mess with all that, may I reccommend Eastshore.xyz

https://www.eastshore.xyz/shop/antminer-l3-litecoin-miner-250mh-for-scrypt-mining/

They're charging $2,850 plus power supply for an l3+ you'd get middle of September. I know it's a premium, but at least you'll get it. Even if/when bitmain comes back with their L3+s, you wouldn't get them till October or later... jope this helps. Keep me posted on what you do, how it works out.

Just to be clear, you're saying it's taking you 7 days to transfer your dollars from your bank, then you'll  convert that money into litecoin or bitcoin, and then send that crypto to this guy in China, right?

To answer your question, it is typical to pay somebody with bitcoin or litecoin after they give you a long code. That long code is called a wallet address. The wallet YOU would be sending FROM also has a unique wallet address (long code). That part of it is normal enough. Most / all of the LEGIT sellers on this list (from Eastshore to the group buy members, to the ASIC manufacturers themselves) accept payment in this way...

BUT THIS GUY AND HIS SITE LOOK SHADY... FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASON!!!
     QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT


First of all, I've never heard of newasic.com. You see, if a seller is trustworthy / has an established track record, then it doesn't really matter what kind payment they accept. If they are unknown, like this guy and his site, they should accept Paypal, which offers SOME buyer protection, cancel accounts of scammers etc. All of his payment methods are irreversable, which again, is okay if the seller is well established, better known.

but the MAIN THING that SCREEEAAAMS shady to me is the price he's charging for the L3+. He's selling it for LESS than what Bitmain (the manufacturer) ever charged for it. The cheapest I could pick one up for was $1,290, and that was FROM the manufacturer. All my other L3+ buys were higher, either with bitmain's 40-41 litecoin batches (1600-2100), or from a retailer.

My point is HOW IS THIS PERSON MAKING A PROFIT? You can't sell something for less than you bought it, especially when the demand for them is so high. Eastshore, which I like a lot, adds somewhere between 500-1,200 to the price... but that premium keeps their lights on. Either this newasic guy has started a convoluted charity where he sells asics for less than he bought them for... OR, it's too good to be true.

Newasic.com REALLY looks like a scam. PLEASE avoid them!

Has anyone dealt with this guy?:
Domain:  newasic.com
Skype:  msrv222
E-mail:  [email protected]
Phone:  +00-86-23-166-21770

When you go to place order, website says to call.  I've Skyped with him, and placed an order, but didn't realize the web site I was using would limit what I could convert and take up to 7 days for bank transfer.  Says he's holding Antminer L3+ & PSU until my transfer clears and I can send full payment.  I've already sent him 3 LTC & $10 USD as "test transfers", which was fine with me because this was the first time paying with cryptocurrency for me.   Is this the typical way you pay by the seller by him giving you just a long code to send to?

LEGIT

ALIEXPRESS - I forgot about Ali, until recently. I've never bought through them personally, but I've read enough experiences to feel comfortable adding them. Eastshore sells through them regularly. At the moment, PinIdea is exclusively selling their new X11 Asic through AliExpress. I believe they offer some buyer protections (like Ebay)... or in the very least, have seller ratings. Anybody who has had personal experience, please feel free to share any and all advice / details...

With all due respect, QuintLeo, I was including Pinidea's new drx 1150 MH (1.15 gh) currently going for 6k on aliexpress and Baikal's recently announced 2 gh Giant Plus (basically an upgrade of their A900).

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170704091749&SearchText=pinidea+drx

I realize these models are much weaker than their contemporary competition, but they're also not nothing. I mean, had they come out a few months ago, they would be the most powerful X11 asics on the market. What a difference a couple months makes...

It also occurs to me that since Bitmain is the largest of these companies, they're likely to produce a ton of their D3s, similar to their L3+ roll out.

While I think the price of DASH will eventually overcome the reduced profitability, 5 new X11 ASICs still strikes me as grim in the psuedo-near term.

 Innosilicon finally posted a price for the A5 - at $9999 with a MOQ of 3.

 Almost 4x the price of the D3.

 IMO even if they meet their announced specs it's too high - should have been $6k-$7k ballpark to be competative.



 There aren't all that many "new" ASIC for X11 showing up - IBelink producing a "second generation" product, the D3 (first for BItmain in X11), and the A5 (first for Innosilicon in X11).
 This wave is VERY similar to the FIRST wave of ASIC for X11 last year with the Pinidea, iBelink first-gen, and Bailkal all showing up in a 2-3 month timeframe and each more efficient than the one before it.
 Only the players have (in part) changed.

LEGIT - GROUP BUY

Longsnowm - I'd like to add Longsnowm to the LEGIT list. He's a HERO member who has successfully arranged group buys before. I know somebody who successfully participated in his A4 dominator group buy, and the threads speak for themselves.

He is currently trying to coordinate a group buy of the Innosillicon A5 30 GH/S X11 Asic, but it's still early in the provess.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2034549.0;all

Regardless of his Legit status, I think I may sit this group buy out, since

A) the price looks like it'll be a lot more than double the new D3,

B) Innosillicon has a tendency to over promise on hashrate and delivery time, and

C) I'm getting a little uneasy about all the asics (and subsequent difficulty hikes) coming to the X11 algo, with 5 companies selling new X11 models in a concentrated time frame.

But if you DO participate, please BE AWARE... fake users have been posing as LONGSNOWM with similar screen names, private messaging people who post on that thread. Always check the spelling of anybody who PMs you. ALWAYS check their profile status. If they're not a HERO, or LEGENDARY, proceed with caution or run for the hills.

Thanks so much for the heads up, Wusolini. Has anybody else ordered from 33bitcoin?

SCAM LIST - QUIT - AVOID
FoxMiners.com - I'd like to add FoxMiners to the SCAM list. Supposedly they raised 20 million in presales for their dual mining scrypt / bitcoin ASIC. They were charging  $4,500 for their F48, which supposedly mined 75 TH/S BTC and 2.1 GH/s Litecoin. It also farted rainbows and cured minor cuts and abrasions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1879542.new

As you can tell from the above thread, nobody has yet to receive their revolutionary miners, or if they have, they're being awfully quiet about it. Also, if you look up the Los Gatos address listed on their website... It's a chines restaurant.

#Wokchain

I think you can add user 33bitcoin and his "shop" 33bitcoin.com to SCAM  (at least until he proves opposite)

Based on reactions in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/all-sold-wts-4-x-antminer-l3-no-psu-all-sold-1957897

Entire thing looks pretty shady
Why:
he refuse escrow
he's not reacting to scam accusation

Thanks for the experience. AsicMinerMarket.com had the feel of a trustworthy retailer, but you never can tell. I'll add them to the Legit column when I assemble the master list with everyone's input.

Do you have any experiences with other hardware sellers that you can share? Much appreciated.

I purchased from the guy at asicminermarket, got the goods, very painless fast experience but now he must be suffering not being able to get stock.

Thanks for your experience Sidehack,

You mentioned that you're in the same boat. Can you (please) tell us a little (or a lot) about YOUR store and what you offer?

The point of this thread is to bring more business to trustworthy people who deserve it. I'm sure you're very well known in the community, but some posters are newbies (myself included), and don't know any better...

Great to know, Benny and Co.

Especially now that GPUs are getting harder to come by. Did anybody ever think that GPUs could EVER become hard to come by? AMD might be a good company to invest in since their sales (of a product initially meant for gamers) must be going crazy thanks maniacs like us.

BennyAndDeJets, can you give us a few more details about your experience? What have you ordered from them? How long did it take to ship? Etc

Thanks a bunch.

It's been several years ago but I did a bit of business with the guy running GPU Shack. I assume it's the same guy still.

HolyScott is also one of my preferred miner resellers, one of two in the US. He can be unresponsive at times, takes a while to return emails I mean, but like was mentioned - it's one guy running the place. I'm in the same boat so I can't judge. But aside from sometimes slow communication I've never had any trouble with him.

https://gpushack.com/ is legit!

UNKNOWN

MINESHOP.EU - This site and it's products look really great. Too good to be true? They have a lot of GPU rigs hashing anywhere between 85-185 mh. A lot of out of stock, u gotta call for prices on certain products... If it's real, would be pretty interesting... I'd pay this kind of premium to avoid the hassle of self-assembly, especially since GPUs have become a little hard to come by.

BUT i have NEVER bought from them. Has anybody had an experience w mineshop.eu ? would REALLY appreciate any feedback, good, bad, ugly or otherwise...

 They never took the payment, so I don't count them as a scam - but the "didn't deliver the order at the price they LISTED" part makes them somewhat shady IMO.

 I wouldn't have minded the relisting *IF* it had happened before they accepted the order - it was the do it AFTER order acceptance that I found unacceptable.

He makes breakout boards for server power supplies and I also think he makes cables for them. He's a forum member and you might be able to contact him for direct pricing.

I hate to overwhelm you with questions; Just trying to compensate for my ignorance. I promise this'll be my last one... for a while..

What exactly is J4bberwock? Do they make power supplies or something? I checked out the Holy Board section on his site, but there are very few details there.

Hi Quint,

Thanks so much for your HOLYBITCOIN.COM experience. I'm sorry that happened to you. If I understand your post correctly, they either did not take your money, or returned it after they cancelled your order? If that is the case, (and I mean this with all due respect) I think I may leave them on the Legit List, as they did not scam you out of your money per say. Maybe we put an asterisk  (*) next to their Legit status, and include your experience.

Also, I believe HolyBitcoin is basically run by one person named Scott (as leowonderful mentioned above). Maybe we cut the guy a little slack. Maybe the capitalist in me over-sympathizes with the inclination to relist a product's price when demand shoots up, but IMHO there's no such thing as over-priced if it gets sold. Some people prefer "over-priced" to "out of stock" and Price negotiates scarcity.

(I promise I do not secretly work for HolyBitcoin or any of their subsidiaries, though I think we all can agree that at this point Scott should compensate me with some kind of affiliate kick back... i kid, i kid)

BitcoinPSU,

Maybe you should tell the group a little bit about your site. What are your best products / deals? Are you getting any new hardware in stock? Do you have any customer reviews or forum threads you could point us to that might put some potential buyers at ease?

Would you ever offer a discount to people on these forums? That last question might have been too presumptuous... unless the answer's yes...

Thanks silver,

I'll definitely add EBAY to the Legit list. You're right that they have a wide array of new (and old) crypto miners, along with user ratings and Paypal protection that can help the consumer. Paypal WILL refund your money if your item never arrives, though it may take a little while for the refund to process.


My main complaint with EBAY is that it is very hard to find good deals on any hardware, especially of late. For instance, the Baikal X11 300 MH Cubes sold for under $800 when you bought straight from Baikal (not that long ago). These same miners are selling for 8k and up right now on Ebay. At those mark ups, it's a little tougher to ROI (tho beggers can't be choosers, i s'pose).


Also, you can't use crypto to purchase anything. For some people who try to reinvest their mined crypto by purchasing more hardware, converting to fiat is a hassle.


ALIBABA is a little better when it comes to deals. They're certainly a lot less user friendly; you have to direct message a lot of frogs, wait for them to reply etc., but they offer very similar money back buyer protection as ebay, as well as a developed seller rating system. Some alibaba sellers even accept crypto...

 I had an issue with HolyBitcoin selling me a ... think it was an S5, might have been a SP20 .... then turning around and "out of stocking it" and so they could relist it at a higher price - but to be fair, they didn't charge me for the unit they just didn't live up to their sale price on the order I placed.
 I was also more than a bit ticked that it took them almost 2 WEEKS to let me know what was going on with my order.

 Amazon listing, and I DID get to "negative" review them over the issue since the order HAD initially been accepted.

thanks so much for the format suggestion VH. It looks great. Let me get some additional vendor names and  experiences from some posters, then I'll try to reformat it with feedback links.

I haven't personally bought from
bitcoinpsu.com yet, but I'd like to. Do you have a power supply for an L3+? I was going to buy it from eastshore, but I'd buy it from you to support the cause.

holybitcoin.com - I think i read some favorable posts on another thread. site seems legit, but they just sell out of everything.

I believe they are the J4bberwock salesperson in the US, so Legit.

Can you ad me as well: bitcoinpsu.com

Just a suggestion to restructure your initial post to use this format as a reference point:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hw-hosting-directory-reputation-622998

Having accessible feedback links would make it feel less subjective.

SCAM - QUIT

minerslab.com - haven't ordered from them personally, but ive read a lot of posts / complaints from people who have. They also had the Blessinghash for sale, which I'm fairly certain does not exist...

UNKNOWN

AsicMinerMarket.com - Adding this site to the unknowns... they SEEM very legit, mainly because they sell out a LOT, so if they ARE scammers, they're missing out on a lot of fake sales. Right now, the only miner not sold out is a 3.6 T A6... which would make you about 5 dollars in profit a month, so it makes sense they'd have a surplus... BUT I've never bought from them personally.

Thanks so much for the experience. I was considering buying an S9 from HolyBitcoin before Bitmain brought them back online. Good to know they can be trusted for next time.

Once there's a few more posts, I'll make a master list with everyone's input (and Holybitcoin in the Legit section).

Can confirm holybitcoin is legit, I bought a few things from them including a SP20 for a decent price and they delivered. Still running well today with no issues. They do indeed have a stock issue but if you use the livechat Scott usually has stuff left over (at least from my experience).

Don't be surprised if this gets moved to the Marketplace area...

Thought I'd start a list of hardware retailers that are actually SAFE to buy from, as well as a list of BAD sites i know to be scams...Scammers come up a lot on these forums, but usually scammer warnings are kind of scattered, and it's hard to find the info you're looking for.

It's a real shame too, because there are some honest trustworthy hardware companies that would see a lot more success if they were easier to find.


LEGIT LIST - SAFE AND TRUSTWORTHY

Bitmain and Baikal -
(obviously) direct from manufacture is always the best way to go, but make sure you are ACTUALLY dealing with the manufacturer. Scammers have contacted people with fake Skype addresses pretending to be Baikal.

Eastshore.xyz - I thought I might actually get Shanghaid from a company IN Shanghai, but my experience (and many other posters) has been great so far. Still waiting on my L3+s (set to ship in August), but I ordered a PSU from them, just to test them out. It arrived quickly (considering the origin), nicely packed, great customer service. They're also pretty reasonably priced.

BITCOINTALK GROUP BUYS - I'm new to the forum group buys, so please forgive my ignorance. Some respected members will arrange group buys of new hardware to get a favorable price, access to rare miners or both. I only know of 2 trusted members,

Bittawm - Legit
kilo17 - Legit

PLEASE add any and all members you've dealt with and personally trust. BE ADVISED - Scammers be lurking. People will pretend to be trusted members, creating similar screen names, ~bittawm instead of bittawm as an example, then private message people with the wrong bitcoin address. I saw somebody lose 9k in btc that way.

Always look to see a member's status as an indicator of their trustworthyness. If their status is Hero or Legend, that's a great sign... if they're a newbie...LIKE ME   then proceed with caution, or retreat with haste...




QUIT LIST - SCAM - NOT SAFE - WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY


AS-Shops.su - They are not at their listed address. I called another company in that building, and they had never heard of them before.

Metrobitcoinminer.com - I was looking for a Blessinghash Scrypt miner (which I now know is skunkware), and stumbled upon this site. Decided to test them out, ordered the cheapest thing they sell, never received anything.




UNKNOWN - below sites seem legit, but I lack any personal experience. any input would be greatly appreciated

51ASIC.RU - this site has pretty good social media presence (facebook, youtube videos), but I haven't ordered from them yet. It's hard to find anybody who has... and if you do, they usually speak Russian, which diesn't really help. has ANYBODY here ordered from them?

BITBAZA -same deal, russian company, seem legit, but I don't know... they supposedly just sold out of a bunch of ibelink pre-orders. If anybody here paid them, please let us know if they arrive.

holybitcoin.com - I think i read some favorable posts on another thread. site seems legit, but they just sell out of everything.