Topic: Let's Build a Town, Bitcoin Town (Read 18171 times)

the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

We need weed, a lot. Then everything will be ok.

Do you feel OP has a good and realistic chance of making a success of this? And belief enough that you would be willing to put your own time/energy/resources into it?

ADHD? a person that is not sedentary, bursting with constant energy? Spare me the bullshit about attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, that ain't no disorder, its simply something society can't handle.

I think its most fundamental to start any project with how you want it to function. You don't build a town for the sake of building it, you build it because of the ideas and concepts that motivate you to build such a town . You don't build a spaceship to the moon if you didn't have the idea/dream of going to the moon in the first place, who would be motivated enough to build such technology without dreams, however far-fetched they seem.

Cussing isn't an act against a living thing.

This thread is derailed and was a dumb idea from the beginning.

For a more realistic idea for a libertarian city, see here:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/free-state-project-western-states-242119

Bitcoin Land  . Lyk Disney Land

Then with all the F bombs you throw around, you'll soon be dead yourself.   

I meant in a negative manner. And yes, karma exists. Put shit into the world, get shit out/

Nope.  You brought him up.  Karma doesn't exist.

Did you just really bring up my brother that died 2 weeks ago. Fuck you. And have fun with whatever karma has waiting for you.

"Fuck ye and ye dead brother".   

Let me know if you want to place a bitcoin wager.  This will never be completed. 

I actually encourage others to create towns of their own like mine.
But I will get this done, this town is for my dead brother, so all I have to say is "Fuck ye of little faith".

1. Introduction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzEtTRdEMDM

2. Biodiesel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52YTZHoco8I

3. Making a TV Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9rQaADwfYY

4. DevSeed Project (preserve the planet): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDTb-IFo8ds

5. Library of the Future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv7jOqxR2Kg

6. Library of the Future Expanded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikKNFiKIhA

7. Town Constitution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RBzz8ZAa3M

8. Giant Reed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_aeZPzcFKE'

9. Canary Reed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJFsOz1jknM

10. Datura: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9b3emeLI04

11. Hot Sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNfFvfvSRk]

12. Water Sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggFnDNI5hAA

13. Hatchery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW0-iRM89S8

14. Mail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O18KXoLYOSk

15. Shipping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYUUiYdBQA

16. FX Acres: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7VpMwkWIEY

17. Art Gallery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prJvvnPETJo

18. Geodomes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72sxiXJCJSc

This community should let finshaggy gather as much material as he can, then when the project is ready to start we should find someone competent to actually start the town.

Potheads don't complete large projects like this.  They are just dreamers.

I wish you luck, I haven't seen this kind of thread since Art Bell retired.

it would be awesome

You know what, I do pay pretty good attention when someone is trying to get something off the ground but I've lost all desire to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Good luck with the social, economic and legal issues that you face.

Lol, have fun watching the next few months. And how am I not taken care of? The problem is that I am not acknowledged. It has nothing to do with being able to handle myself, and I am remedying the dis-acknowledgement even with this very discussion.

finshaggy, you have just revealed to the whole bitcoin community that you cant even look after yourself.. in the off topic thread. so why even bother continuing with the delusion that you have what it takes to lead this project.

get out of the delusions, enter reality. sort yourself out. look at what is required beyond your dreams of the end result. and then go visit new hampshire and do some indepth research before you even try to put a price on your next delusion.

why oh why is it always the psychotic drug fuelled idiots that think they have what it takes to make a bitcoin town/island...

Wrong.

If you had paid attention, you would know that those things are only provided for you if you elect free welfare. Your land is your land.

My brother died so things have been hindered. Bu progress is being made, just not leaps and bounds as expected.

Over the next month we will be getting the rest of the 180+ descriptive town videos up, so that you can get a general idea of what will go on in the town. And we will make 1-2 hour segments, that will come together to make a 3-8 hour documentary talking about all the aspects of what we will be doing.

So you can look forward to that over the next month, it would have had massive progress starting around the 14th (that's when it was planned), but my brother died on the 4th. And we just now got his ashes today.

We are starting the Bitcoin Town Library though, it will start with a paid xbox gaming clan, and paid writing.

exoskeleton...

beautiful depiction of how it will turn out with finshaggy as the leader

Journal of Bitcoin Town:

Dear mom, we don't have money for our own land yet so we are occupying a sidewalk. We have beer and free wi-fi so it's ok and our spirits are still high.


Its now months into our establishment and we have found some land. We should have a permanent structure up soon!


May not look like much, but its home.


Due to our very limited space we decided to bulid on it, literally.


I think we underestimated the waste disposal issue though...

well finshaggy only has 3BTC and is on a mad .. and i mean mad dash effort to make thousands of posts to get dev coins..

he has no experience of law apart from appearing in court as an accused person.
he has no expereince of construction beyond how to roll a joint
he has no expereince of farming beyond how to grow weed under a lamp
he has no expereince of state permits beyond a 30 second google search

.. so you tell me how is this adventure suppose to progress.

what makes this more interesting is that there is another guy that wants to make a bitcoin island. with the exact same lack of knowledge and experience required to make it work. and a deliberate side stepping of answering fundamental questions about the project, but in return gets insulting..

why oh why is it only the nutters with no experience that have the idea's that if done properly would help bitcoin.

please please please can someone with some actual real estate, construction and law experience please come forward.

edit: i take the last comment back.. with pirate@40's mom being in real estate, dad in construction and pirate himself knowing the law back to front.. maybe those qualifications are not enough to make a project like this work... lol

What's scary is one person deciding that an entire town needs to "protect, promote & repair" your mental health, is already dictating what kind of house you'll live in, what types of food you'll eat, what kind of crops and livestock you'll raise, how you'll congregate for worship, and how you'll go about hiring any labor for personal work.

What's even scarier is that some people think this is a good idea.

"on November 18, 1978, 918 people died in the settlement, at a nearby airstrip,"

That's scary. the idea of BTC is decentralized with the network. Amassing a large group of people together in the name of BTC is ridiculous.

How is the progress on this?

Any new updates recently?

This sounds more like a cult than a town. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

Yes, it does sound like he's delusional or he's hallucinating. (What would you expect from a Marijuana farmer?)

(Please don't view this thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dr-appointment-239694)

I think he wants you to join him at Silk Road. And then start a town that breaks EVERY SINGLE state and country law. Then, he's going to get you sent to the U.N and a bag tossed over your head.

I actually think his idea of killing us all in the near future is good. Maybe he'll even let us go to High Max prison.

Now I have to go and find everything illegal I can. Maybe even knuckle dusters, because moving into the 'town' is a magical trip that means nothing in the outside world applies.

Now where did I put that inner critic....

This whole thread reminds me of ramblings of a slightly mental individual with a massive unmedicated ADHD problem.

naming a town as finshaggy proposes does not automatically mean the population is exempt from following state/government laws.

it just means that the local judge can decide how drastic a crime is (length and type of punishment) and also a few other small tweaks to state and government law.

fin shaggy thinks that all it takes is a town naming ceremony to get around the government. he obviously has not even looked into the new hampshire project which is many years ahead of what finshaggys brain fart proposes to do.

I'm pretty sure most towns and cities start in people's territories.

However, when making a Micronation, you can 'break away' from that country, and start your own small nation. (You'd just have to follow the U.S rules while your application is pending) You don't really have to follow the countries laws anymore, because you're considered to be in another country.

Every piece of land is almost claimed by other countries (Except Antarctica), unless you can magically go to space, you won't be claiming any non-claimed land.

(Sorry, had to answer your question, because God knows Fin isn't.)

 Getting land with access to the sea doesn't mean anything. Almost every inch of land on Earth is claimed. Near every country. Starting your own country or town in places like Africa would be very hard, and I think you know why.

Also, a few years ago there was a micro-nation that claimed land on a beach, and made a small island by dumping sand near the edges of the beach. They later got raided, and their land got claimed by another Government. Same thing that could happen to you. I recommend starting things like this in Europe or the Americas.

Starting something like this in Africa would most likely get you raided by citizens, or the Government. Since they're in deep poverty, they'd be most likely to attack a Micronation that has quite a few money invested in it. And not considering the other things that could possibly happen.

MY GOD. THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN MY POINT ACROSS ABOUT CREATING A MICRO-NATION.

I love you.

Creating a town, or a country, or a "micro-nation"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
Micronation might be the best description...

I like the idea of just buying a broke country, that way Bitcoinville would actually be represented by the UN etc. I vote we just buy Greece. I'm sure we could pull together the... what, 100 BTC it would cost? But yeah, trying to buy land in the U.S, and then succeed... good luck with that one.

Although the whole idea is a little bit crazy. Imagine trying to buy a city with $100 bills. Even brief cases full of $100 bills. The cost to run a town wouldn't be overly unmanageable, many wealthy people essentially own entire towns, but you are talking about running a country, that's quite a bit different. You would have to figure out medical, social security, social and world policy, etc.

Nope, that's impossible. Since the money you put in goes straight to purchasing the land. We all put in money to create a pool of $2,000,000 then we use that to buy the land.

Plenty.

Please read before posting, we already have covered that.

It's not missing ANY of that. Please try paying better attention.

It will not be centered there, but we will have land in both of those states.

Yes, and we can not use BTC to purchase any of that land 

Sounds to me like someone is buying cheap farm land and selling it off for inflated prices

Already underway.

http://galtsgulchchile.com/

It is already underway.

BlueSeed

Hi there - Fedex delivery for you. Where do you want me to put your oil refinery?

The ideal location would be Chile, cheap land in a country which is on the rise.

An Old Oil Rig

Big enough to house a decent amount of people. Already set up to provide for those people away from the main land.

Renewable energy from Wind, Wave and Solar available and if in doubt the well your sitting on top of might still have a decent supply of oil/gas left. Not enough to be commerically viable but probably enough to provide backup power to run the rig.

The ship idea would be the best one yet.

Only problems that need to be solved is how to have enough renewable energy to sustainable propulsion and other things.

Or we can do some research and build a city at the bottom of the ocean, and we can call it..... RAPTURE.

Maybe a currency doesn't need a nation, or anything. Bitcoin was started on the internet, so it will inspire from the internet. Bitcoin needs to go viral. The problem is that its so difficult to the layman to understand. I got casascius physical coins delivered to my grandparents house, and they said: "Vat iz this?" and I went: "Bitcoins" and they pulled confused faces and went: "What is a bitcoin?" And there I sighed at the futility of explaining to technophobic grandparents what bitcoin was and how it worked. So I settled for: "It's a currency." Next question was: "Who uses it?" Stumped...

It's people who offer goods and services who help out the bitcoin world.

At the moment, the hysteria is coming from people noticing Bitcoin is a good investment, but this is good because more people become aware, so more people willing to sell goods and services for it. Speculation is the nessecary growing pains, even people who accept bitcoin, but charge their equivilant in local currency. Eventually things will be nice and stable and there will be no need to have these exchange rates, then the bitcoin world will blossom!

But the kid in me would prefer a floating city, or an underwater city. NAY! A submarine city!!!

The ITCCS is a one man tribunal with no jurisdiction.  I could print a warrant like that against obama or  bernanke and it would be the same.

It's funny, since you abandoned other thread because we were giving constructive criticism.

What he basically wants to do is:

Make a micronation.
Make a micronation that allows drugs.
Make a micronation so he can use his mind powers to control peoples minds, and allow them to smoke and drink.

In short:
He's trying to make a town without FOLLOWING the state's laws.

Even if he tries to make a Micronation, he ignores anybody who criticizes him.
Oh, I mean 'pretends' to, so he can have a reason to not reply to them.
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In short, he's nothing thinking about 'ifs', he just skipped to when he's the Mayor, and making everybody do what he wants.

He said, "every thing is planned", yet if you ask him anything, he'd most likely say wait.

He's trying to make +12 projects, and as I explained on the other thread, would be way to much money. (He said he'd spend 2Mil on land, but when I calculated the amount a diner he's thinking about would cost (Around 1,900,000.) He instead of worrying about it, posted meme pictures.)

I could latch on if he was making a micronation, but he's making a town, in a state, and trying to make his own laws.)

Because the free state in NH is back to the constitution, this sounds like something else, perhaps an oligarchy?

I don't know... my reaction was: 'Why don't you just join the Free State Project and make New Hampshire a Bitcoin economy?'

OP had to duplicate threads because people called him out too much in his other thread on how bad his idea is.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-town-lets-make-the-future-come-to-us-216139























































(for the $2 million land purchase)




tl;dr

whats the average temperature there in the winter? how about the summer.. I dont like the idea of living in the permafrost.. anything above the 35th parallel is gonna suck 50%+ of the year.

I like the concept but how can this be trusted? what about security features and anti-theft? computers/laptops/hardware could easily be stolen by undercovers, right?

There are thousands of acres of in BC Canada that are owned by the Queen of England....If we squat there drill some wells and plant some trees. Do you really think the Queen is going to bring us an eviction notice or force us off the land with military force? The biggest threat would be the oil and gas industry. ITCCS has already issued an arrest warrant for the Queen of England and the previous Pope Benedict seeking to absolve the Canadian Government and bring them all to trial under Common Law for crimes against humanity. The issue is that people don't have the balls to stand up to these tyrannical institutions or at least the wherewithal to hold them accountable for their actions. The are plenty of resources in Canada and plenty of water and plenty of land. The perfect place for sustainable communities.

In reality no one owns land. You simply settle and develop land. And people with the means and/or force are the ones who usually take advantage of the lands abundance. Fuck bureaucracy, fuck governments, fuck industry. Just go make a healthy living for yourself while you still can.

At the bottom i posted just a couple of links. But my wife and I have researched squatters rights, Common Law, ITCCS and Crown Land. Its as real as BTC. Why take out a loan from a bank that doesn't own the land? Why allow all that precious land to go to waste on drilling and industrial development?


http://www.whoownstheworld.com/canada
http://itccs.org/2013/03/15/international-arrest-warrant-issued-against-pope-francis-i-jorge-mario-bergoglio-for-crimes-against-humanity-and-child-trafficking/

Any room for neuroscience majors

They act as insulators.

I never understood the desire to put all of those cans into the walls of Earthships. They have the potential to be beautiful, and not look literally like garbage.

ontoguzzi,

Good deal you say, we would need a military Army, Navy, Air Force to keep the US or any nation from taking us over calling us Terrorists for not participating in the fiat world 

I like the idea, but living on ships might be too costly.

Maybe we could pool the money and buy the whole country of Nauru


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru


Country is broke...we might get a good deal

Why do we even have to have Bitcoin Town on land? All land belongs to somebdy.

Why not buy a cruise ship instead? Or one of those seasteading projects?

Before anything. The main thing an new town requires is food, then maybe shelter, although food is the priority.

Thing is, I find it really interesting to see the contrast of requiring high-speed internet, as well as farms for food.

Fahmeed Farooq

why a place like NM? how about someplace like this? big plots of land are cheap http://www.hawaiilife.com/mls1/big+island/-tlnd-b4/231304 or this

http://www.hawaiilife.com/mls/251752/
or
http://www.hawaiilife.com/mls/251743/

many acres for a bitcoin town, can grow things all year around. never freeze to death.

Fuck the US. why don't we just start a squatters town in BC Canada on Crown Land? England doesn't use or need that land and if someone doesn't develop it, it will be lost to the oil and gas industry. The town could start out small. Like a handful of people starting a farm. Most aspects including government, economics, social infrastructure etc. would have to be discussed locally and decisions could not be made until the town was established and people were actively contributing. There is TONS of water in BC. The land is fertile. Operate under common law, and if disagreements ensued, which they probably will. People will be free to start their own squatter's town.

Something like this does not need to be some giant project that costs a lot of $$$. Think about how long it took BTC to get as big as it has, which is still relatively small. And how small it was when it began. A BTC town will take a while but a GREAT idea nonetheless. As members of the community i think we should continue to keep an open mind about this and the possibilities involved.

Thanks OP for the post.

The whole part about neurogenesis is pretty strange though. Why are you focusing on that as one of the first issues? Also, your list of supplements isn't very well thought out to begin with (I'm actually finishing a bachelors in Neuroscience, and about to start applying to PhD programs).

This is probably illegal, and if not, it will be.

Despite this (more like in spite), I think it's an awesome idea, and ultimately the most powerful means for establishing a free society (maybe I'm getting a little carried away?). More people should get involved. I'll send this thread to everyone I know who'd be interested.

Cheers!

I stopped reading when i saw this at the start of your post:

"Due to recent happenings. Bitcoin town will work to protect, promote & repair the mental health of any willing citizens:"

Why are you talking about details that have nothing to do with building/ organising a bitcoin town?
I am completely uninterested in any 3rd party that feels the need to "repair my mental health", and i don't think that should be the primary focus of anyone that wants to start a "bitcoin" town.

If you are serious about this, start with general plans about your economy, what special measures you would take to make your town bitcoin friendly and look for a bunch of people that are interested in the idea. Hell, even the shape of the houses you will be building is not important at the moment. Not everyone wants to live in a house made of tyres and glass bottles. Personally, i wouldn't mind, but by mentioning that completely irrelevant detail, you scare away half of your readers.

Start with the basics, build a community and evaluate your options. Once you got enough people that are commited to the project, you can start discussing the details, not the other way around.

Nice idea, Sloppy execution.

not bad looking EarthShips, owning the best looking / functioning earthship in bitcoin town, is probably going to be a good investment  

Maybe the OP doesn't, but the Free State Project already exists in NH, and has made a big difference.

I think a small town in the San Juan mountains of Colorado would be a great place to do a "western FSP".

I am not sure I understood that post but ...I 'd love to be a Hobbit  like you!!!

CO is the LAST PLACE ON EARTH I would want to move...for various and sundry reasons.  Look at what the state government has recently passed if you don't already know.

A town of 200 isn't going to cut it, period.  It's going to be far larger than that and 600 acres isn't a dent in what you are going to need.  You're going to need 5-6000 MOTIVATED people to give the finger to the US/State government and pull a Galt's Gulch (read Atlas Shrugged) to pull this off, minimum and doing it all via bitcoin isn't going to work unless they were ALL early adopters or were independently wealthy to start with.

Sorry, again, not a troll but trying to give you an idea of what REALLY needs to be done to make this happen.  Even the earth architecture takes non-recyclables that cost a LOT of...something to get going.

You make some great points.

The energy and excitement is all very good for driving the project but as frank1 points out, it's missing a lot of social, economic and legal sophistication suggesting a degree of naivety.

If you built a team of people to support your project you'd get much further.

Maybe a lawyer, a sociologist, an architect, nutritionist, a farmer etc.

proof you don't have a clue about fundamentals required, or gone deeper into research apart from page one google searches of final designs for buildings. its good you show final design eco houses but you have no clue about land permits, laws, utility company, sewerage requirements of a town.

this is not a troll, you just hate seeing everyone see through your lack of credibility and think ignoring people and starting a new thread will somehow make people believe you more.

200 scientists this time concentrating on Neurogenesis and Synaptogenesis research. last time it was 200 creative people like entrepreneurs, writers, artists, programmers.

still ignoring the fundamentals of requiring shop workers, chef's for your restaurant.. oops i mean fast food establishment... oops i mean cyber cafe..

repairmen, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, construction workers, police, lawyers, judges, teachers.

oh and if 200 are now scientists instead of creative people.. that is still the personality type not desiring manual labour. so don't pull the wool over peoples eyes that the 200 people will do it all themselves. as they have their own scientific interests that come first.

stop brain farting wet dreams. and stand away from the computer for just one day. and construct your idea's from behind the scenes of the fundamentals.. and stop spouting out the glittering neon signs of the final design.

many have told you about freestate project before yet you ignore it.


now the utopian dream of last week of a free town is now just another town like all the rest

very cool and interesting CO would be nice!

Move this all to TX or CO and i'm in ^_^

Cool, very pretty. Unfortunately I'm in Blighty so I doubt if I'll get a visa to come and live there. Best of luck anyways!

We would have a town government to handle any necessary funds, but everything gets voted on my everyone. And yes bitcoin would be accepted.

Here is the free state project and 101 Reasons Why you should Move to New Hampshire

http://freestateproject.org/101Reasons

who would handle the funds? and will you take bitcoin for the project?

What is the free state project?

I'm for something like the Free State Project, but out west.

Unfortunately, the OP sounds more interested in trying to creating his own little statist kingdom.