Topic: 'Lift the skirt’ campaign urges French schoolboys to skip trousers for a day (Read 3722 times)

The point of a pride parade is not to convince people to be gay, if that's even possible. They started out as defiant marches, asserting the right to be gay, and to be proud of it, not ashamed of it as people told them they should be. They marched as a rejection of the judgement imposed on them by people like Bryant.

Modern parades on the other hand (in enlightened countries at least) are more like celebrations than protests - expressing relief and pride that their way of life is more accepted than it used to be. The core message is still the same though: "it's ok to be gay", not "you all should be gay". Bear in mind that gay teenagers especially are still far more likely to be bullied and commit suicide than their straight peers, so spreading the message that there's nothing wrong with them seems like a good idea to me.

it's retarted

this has the same relation with sexism as I do with Obama

I mean..

this doesn't even...

damn

Hahahaha what are they smoking

Too much power in the hands of to few people. Comes along with a lot of propaganda, worked in the past, works now.

That may be the case, officially, but why all the parades...

I agree with my fellow member that this a sign of mental sickness. Friends the world faces greater risk from problems like global warming. This is such a trivial issue. It should have been given such gr8 focus

Hmm... Perhaps this was just what the Front National needed, ahead of the European elections next week. I believe that they are the only pro-heterosexual party in France right now.

This is actually good news. It only drives up support for the far right in France, whose recent boon was due to backlash over the insane homo indoctrination being pushed in schools.

Wouldn't you be less effected by it if you stopped actively trying to find this stuff? 

Exactly. I seriously doubt whether this campaign has anything to do with protesting against the prevalent sexism. All I can see is that some of the perverted exhibitionists are making full use out of it.

Well this is a bit strange but I imagine a madeline costume but that sort of borders French cosplaying
Anyways today is the 17th so updated article
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/16/boys-sexism-wear-skirts-france_n_5336181.html

What I imagined sort of
http://images.halloweencostumes.com/products/13275/1-1/deluxe-madeline-costume.jpg
Actual
http://rt.com/news/159380-boys-skirts-france-protest/
Video

Talked to some female colleagues and friends, who are by no means feminist, about this. They reacted to the title of the campaign, "Lift the Skirt", perceiving it as derogatory, alluding to prostitution or frivolous/indecent conduct.

Noticed the sarcastic tone... So you don't believe that something similar will never happen? If things are going as it is now, then such incidents will happen much before you expect.

Depends on the community. Here in my place they understand it pretty well at aged 6 - 7.

Looks like they are training there boys that in times of war they just lift their skirt. 

what's next, telling boys to wears bras to school for breast cancer awareness? 

Reminds me when we were touring France. Seems there was some kind of demonstration every day in Paris. One day we were on the streets doing tourist stuff and we heard a loud noise coming down the street. It was several hundred elementary school students marching down the street singing ‘We Are The World’ -in French however. Apparently they teach them early how to demonstrate. Our mouths would really drop if the boys all wore skirts and ‘lifted them’.

See this:



This is exactly why the Western Europe has become the laughing stock in front of the rest of the world.

More on lifting the skirt...

French ‘Boys in Skirts’ campaign engenders conservative backlash
http://rt.com/news/159380-boys-skirts-france-protest/



On the other hand:

Most polls show 60% support for gay marriage in France and rising.

I thought this was very applicable to this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTOFXLl7eh4

Most of the general public in France were against recognizing the same-sex marriage. But still the Socialist ultra-left wing president, François Hollande legalized it in 2013.

i don't know how society is in france, so maybe they do expect their boys to dress up in skirts. then again, the people there don't really seem all that docile... seems like they like to protest. wasn't there a lot of protest against same-sex marriage over there?

The words "Fuck off" are usually appropriate if the kind of thing you're talking about is ever attempted and a school that would force people to do things one way or another is not worth attending.

You don't think the little boy's teachers are influential enough in a child's life to heavily influence or even manipulate them? Additionally it is almost always a seemingly innocuous event so that people such as yourself who would rather remain willfully ignorant of this global pattern of events have an easy no thinking out to the question. I challenge you to actually look at this kind of activity as a whole and how this stripping of little boy's male identity is harmful, and is NOT an isolated issue.

Then that would be illegal because they're being threatened, I don't know why people like you are having such a hard time understanding this.

So if some teachers are asking the male students to cross-dress, can a student refuse? Definitely not without harming his educational career. This is what blackmail is all about.

Stop being so paranoid and delusional, they aren't forcing them to do it, I'll only be concerned if the teachers start telling them they have to.

man, if you are a french guy and your name is pronounced "renee" or "michelle," then you might as well be wearing a skirt 

lol.... we are talking about pre-teen schoolchildren here. They probably don't even understand all this BS. BTW... I thought that the French were a bit saner than the English and the Swedish... but seems that I was wrong.

Exactly. Prison. About 70% of the men are there for nonviolent drug possession, mostly marijuana. Possessing a drug which is enjoyed relationally in some other states means someone DESERVES TO BE RAPED IN THE ASS? Does rape not count as cruel and unusual punishment? Put aside your revenge blood thirst for a moment and consider what these men might do after they are freed, even if you wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.  

Additionally why shouldn't a man have equal rights not to be coerced into sex violently or otherwise? It is a simple task for a woman to threaten a report of rape if the man doesn't comply. How do you prove your innocence? Without any evidence, guess what - you are the one getting raped, in prison. Also why do young boys not have the right not to have their female rapists charged with rape?

so, what.. are the girls supposed to sexually harass the guys in skirts now? the thing is, though, is that the guys would welcome it.

And that is the voice of the reason. Tolerance is one thing and flamboyance is another. If you are gay I have no problem with it. I just do not need to see it.

This is exactly what the homosexual lobby wants. They want to force the men to dress up like women, and the women to dress up like men. If it was voluntary, then I wouldn't have complained. But in this case, it is being coerced. Time has come to end this madness. Cross-dressing and gay pride parades are not a part of tolerance education.

I was reading it with silent approbation, and then I read this:
"Men are more likely to be raped than women"? Where is that place when men gets raped more than a women? The only place that come to my mind is prison...  Get real.

And dank is the crazy one.  Righ

Yes, because women never get together in little groups and discuss plans secretly among themselves....  

I would much rather you bother to read and do your own research. It is far too of a simple task for people to endlessly nitpick and deconstruct sources so they can convince themselves it is not reality. However I will pose some general examples. I challenge you to think critically while researching some of this instead of the standard confirmation of bias glossed over eye approach.

-Men get to disproportionately die in wars.
-Men are expected to do all of the REAL work.
-Male genital mutilation is institutionalized.
-Men get the most dangerous life threatening jobs.
-Men go to prison at about 10 times more often than woman.
-Men have little to no rights over their family and children.
-Men are falling behind in EVERY LEVEL of education.
-Men are legally obligated to provide for their children, and female child support deadbeats are rarely prosecuted.
-Men are excluded from all types of forums by policy or shame while the simple denial of a woman to a man oriented space is itself considered sexist.
-Men are more likely to be raped than women.
-Men had no legal recourse against women for rape until a few years ago because the legal definitions defined rape as penetration.
-Men have very few if any institutions elusively for males, the ones left are constantly under attack.
-Men commit suicide at 3 times the rate of women.

How much 'research' do I need to do exactly? And I've looked, but it's not something I need to spend extensive time studying enough to write a thesis on, but I'll gladly take a look at any links you can show which back up your theory. And I don't think the comparison I made is 'cheap and intellectually lazy' at all, because I just think it's a crazy conspiracy. That's my opinion but feel free to link to to evidence of your thoughts towards this and I'll give it a read.

Ok so sexism against males is now some how on par with Illuminati conspiracies? REALLY?

You confirm you haven't even bothered to look, so how would you know your assumptions are correct, because TV says so? Your whole conspiracy line is cheap and intellectually lazy. If you are so assured of your correctitude what is stopping you from looking? I might add if you don't bother to look you have no authority from which to make these conclusions.

Here is a simple little observational exercise for you. Next time you see what you define as sexism, flip it on its head and ask yourself if people would be equally offended if the female perpetrated the same act on a man. Then check to see if women do in fact do these things. I think you we be forced to reevaluate your own biases against men and women.

Not that many highlander men are effeminate.

Of course, there are misadventures.

And, some do wonder where the trousers are.

It's not something I need to spend much time 'researching', just like I don't need to research the Illuminati's involvement in the missing Malaysia plane to know it's bs. I'm not saying there's no sexism against men, but it pales in comparison to the other way around.

Exactly how much research have you done on the subject of sexism against males? You don't think an institution stripping boys of their male identity is harmful?

This is essentially just the paranoid conspiracy theorist version of events in my opinion. I don't believe there's some grand conspiracy to emasculate your children. 

If you bother to look, this is not an isolated incident. Boys are subjected to this kind of psychological abuse all the time, all over the world, under the pretense of "gender equality" when the real goal is actually "gender supremacy". The first step to achieving this is destroying the boys before the become men, or completely redefining what they think his identity should be.

I think you're taking this way too seriously. Nobody is forcing them to wear skirts, and like I said above, most who do wear them will probably do it just for a laugh. People get outraged at the most insignificant of things and think there's an agenda in everything.

Sure if it were an individual decision that would be correct. People should wear what they feel most comfortable in. The true problem isn't the cross dressing but the fact that this is YET ANOTHER attack on the male identity via children. Women are allowed their own spaces but men are ALWAYS expected to divert those spaces to women, and let them define OUR identity. Whats more sick is this is a psychological attack on children who have yet to make those choices in many cases, making their choices even more confusing and pressurized. I believe the disgust from this comes from the indoctrination of children stripping them of their identity rather the fact that they wear a dress for a day.

Putting men in skirts doesn't make them females, nor does women wearing trousers make them masculine, nor does it encroach on mine or anyone elses masculinity. People should be free to identify however they want.

I agree with Olivier, "This is just denying feminine and masculine identity"

It's just a skirt. Most kids will probably only wear them for a laugh. I know I would've. Doesn't mean everyone's going to become a cross-dresser. I think people really shouldn't care whether a guy wants to wear a skirt or women trousers and vice versa. It's really not that important.

'Lift the skirt’ campaign urges French schoolboys to skip trousers for a day
http://rt.com/news/159000-france-schoolboys-skirts-equality/


That's all and fine, but "students themselves" are just children, who mirror what the society around them does...


Well, all women wear trousers now, and zeitgeist says that all men should wear skirts. Then we'll all be equal. But should we?

What mental illness is our society suffering from?