Linux (paying), Windows (unreg) or Linux with free distribution for mining ?

sxemini

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Quote from: rdluffy on January 19, 2022, 02:24:14 PM

You're not wrong, but I agree with JayDDee, you're not paying the OS, you're paying for the service they provided to you

For me and probably most users here, we have few rigs, I use Hive OS for free, only in 1 rig, and I have windows in another rig, because I use as my PC.

But can you imagine someone having more than 10 rigs for example, using windows?
It's a mess, you set windows to turn off updates and tweak everything to mine, and then windows make some updates, restart, have problems with drivers etc

That person can use Linux, but it's a long way to do everything, set a restart for GPUs in case they failed, or some problem with electricity, download drivers etc

With specific mining OS, everything is easy, in a few minutes you can set your cards, overclock, put the rig to restart after a crash, and you can monitoring everything in one place, it's the cost to this service you're paying.

I use Awesomeminer to manage my rigs, in my opinion the only good solution, because it is the only client server application for mining. You can use it with Linux or Windows (main application only for windows, but clients for both OS). I hate that these days all stuff run in browser, come on guys, it is browser and not a multifunctional tool to do everything.
I have build my own windows version 3 years ago, with this windows i need around 10 minutes to install windows with all driver that i need and so on, need only to type in the Rig name in the whole installation, nothing more. Updates deactivated for sure.

luckymachine

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Quote from: skablast on January 23, 2022, 01:46:53 AM

Overall, with 6 rigs, I found that the best solution is MMPOS if you are not a noob.

the only real advantage of Hiveos is that you can copy the flyghtsheet from someone else.

But if you are in trouble ? its just a big mess.

MMPOS on the other hand, is small enough that you post your problem in Discord or telegram, and someone suggest solution to fix it. Not to mention that they are quicker to update the mining software and when new coin come up, the setups suggested by the community lead to quickly reach good performance level.

With Hiveos you are on your own.

in regards to windows, there are some limitation, like the memory reserved that lead to be impossible to mine eth+zil with 6 gb cards, to not be able to have ergo new work preloaded, and the Nvdia driver that doesn't perform as well as the linux one in power management.

the result, for me its that , I pay, and not a lot, just for 3 rigs out of 6,my rig are up and running without issue and I am not spending excess time managing those.

Thanks I did not know about MMPOS, will have a look ! For windows I agree the amount of VRAM reserved by the driver is just huge this is a real pb perhaps for dual mining but also when the ethash dag reached 4GB, it couln't be mined on win it was still ok on Linux with 4G cards.

digital$

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im with minerstat(linux) had no problems with them but considering raveOS, free unlimited rigs but bound to "2miners" pool. have a few rigs so it makes a diff

skablast

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Overall, with 6 rigs, I found that the best solution is MMPOS if you are not a noob.

the only real advantage of Hiveos is that you can copy the flyghtsheet from someone else.

But if you are in trouble ? its just a big mess.

MMPOS on the other hand, is small enough that you post your problem in Discord or telegram, and someone suggest solution to fix it. Not to mention that they are quicker to update the mining software and when new coin come up, the setups suggested by the community lead to quickly reach good performance level.

With Hiveos you are on your own.

in regards to windows, there are some limitation, like the memory reserved that lead to be impossible to mine eth+zil with 6 gb cards, to not be able to have ergo new work preloaded, and the Nvdia driver that doesn't perform as well as the linux one in power management.

the result, for me its that , I pay, and not a lot, just for 3 rigs out of 6,my rig are up and running without issue and I am not spending excess time managing those.

luckymachine

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Quote from: JayDDee on January 22, 2022, 11:43:28 AM

Quote from: luckymachine on January 22, 2022, 05:57:37 AM

Quote from: JayDDee on January 21, 2022, 09:32:27 PM

Stop pretending to be objective, You want to use Windows so just use it.

I don't pretend anything, I know that most of you are on Linux, using a mining OS, so I just wanted to see if there are some arguments that I might have missed. It is just a discussion like what we do on forums, relax ... And if I ask the question is because I wonder if I should allocated more time trying mining specific OS or not.

You ask a question for information then argue the answers. That's trolling. If you jut wanted to start a debate then
be up front about it. I would not have wasted my time answering the question you posed.

I give a point of view, I don't give "The" answer that I think don't exist, every people's position is different, and for me the exchanges I had through this post are informative and helpful, if this is not your case, no one forces you to participate. Most of your last posts become uninformative. Moreover I am not the only one on earth to read your posts, so you can be sure that your time is not wasted.

JayDDee

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Quote from: luckymachine on January 22, 2022, 05:57:37 AM

Quote from: JayDDee on January 21, 2022, 09:32:27 PM

Stop pretending to be objective, You want to use Windows so just use it.

I don't pretend anything, I know that most of you are on Linux, using a mining OS, so I just wanted to see if there are some arguments that I might have missed. It is just a discussion like what we do on forums, relax ... And if I ask the question is because I wonder if I should allocated more time trying mining specific OS or not.

You ask a question for information then argue the answers. That's trolling. If you jut wanted to start a debate then
be up front about it. I would not have wasted my time answering the question you posed.

luckymachine

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Teamviewer charges but Chrome remote desktop don't, for remote rigs restarts if any crash, I use connected plugs, auto login, and miner soft in startup folder, and no pb I go on holidays without fear. In fact I think those are really 2 different cultures but everything more smooth I guess with a mining OS. Miners soft know how to auto restart if any hung gpu or on some temperature / power threshold, without the need for the OS to handle that.
If I may make a metaphor it seems to me a little like using mining specific motherboards (as using a mining OS) and using gaming motherboards for your rigs (as using i.e Windows or Linux free distro), it is not as smooth but you can do it. So finally you pay for the smoothness, which makes sense and is a real value.

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Quote from: rdluffy on January 19, 2022, 02:24:14 PM

You're not wrong, but I agree with JayDDee, you're not paying the OS, you're paying for the service they provided to you

For me and probably most users here, we have few rigs, I use Hive OS for free, only in 1 rig, and I have windows in another rig, because I use as my PC.

But can you imagine someone having more than 10 rigs for example, using windows?
It's a mess, you set windows to turn off updates and tweak everything to mine, and then windows make some updates, restart, have problems with drivers etc

That person can use Linux, but it's a long way to do everything, set a restart for GPUs in case they failed, or some problem with electricity, download drivers etc

With specific mining OS, everything is easy, in a few minutes you can set your cards, overclock, put the rig to restart after a crash, and you can monitoring everything in one place, it's the cost to this service you're paying.

i have more than 20 rigs and more than 8gh.

I use smos which is a paid linux service.

it would be next to impossible to run these all in windows.

the main reason is location.

ie i live 75 miles from the main farm.

if you run with windows and teamviewer many times the rigs freeze and you have to reboot.

if i run linux the rigs never freeze no mechanical hard reboots needed.

also if you have 20 rigs team viewer will charge a lot.

rdluffy

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Quote from: luckymachine on January 22, 2022, 05:57:37 AM

... so I just wanted to see if there are some arguments that I might have missed. It is just a discussion like what we do on forums, relax ... And if I ask the question is because I wonder if I should allocated more time trying mining specific OS or not...

If your rig is doing well with windows, there's no reason to change
I have HiveOS here and windows

1 rig with HiveOS with 5 GPUs, I configured to restart after hash dropping, after a power surge or a crash, so it's easy to forget, I know the system will resume after some problem

With windows I have a rig with 2 GPUs + Ryzen 5900x, windows is good to mine with CPU and new altcoins, but sometimes windows updates comes from nowhere and mess with rig, even if I tweak and disable
Sometimes windows have some problems with drivers and overclock goes to default

But in general, both are good, if you don't have any problem with windows, and mine 24/7 without problem, don't change anything

luckymachine

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Quote from: JayDDee on January 21, 2022, 09:32:27 PM

Stop pretending to be objective, You want to use Windows so just use it.

I don't pretend anything, I know that most of you are on Linux, using a mining OS, so I just wanted to see if there are some arguments that I might have missed. It is just a discussion like what we do on forums, relax ... And if I ask the question is because I wonder if I should allocated more time trying mining specific OS or not.

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Quote from: luckymachine on January 19, 2022, 08:57:08 AM

The situation is quite weird : people using Linux for mining mostly use HiveOS and have to pay while people using Windows with they rig can just let their rig unregistered and don't pay. So most people using Linux pay and people using Windows don't pay (I wouldn't have imagined that 10 years ago), is it the situation or am I missing something ? Of course one can also use Linux with a free distribution. Is mining with a free Linux distribution very practical for the rigs management ?

Is dirty cheap, and offer lot of watchdog options really easy to setup, so your rig have less time offline thanks to it.

JayDDee

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Stop pretending to be objective, You want to use Windows so just use it.

luckymachine

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ok but I mean if you are a pro miner with new rigs to set up often etc I completely understand the use of HiveOS, it ads oil to the process. But if you are happy with your few rigs and don't want to expand (perhaps because of POS coming Wink

). Once win is properly setup (updates can be discarded : Seb heslow youtuber shows how to do this) then there is no pb. For the remote access I use Chrome remote Desktop extension it is working well for me. And having the junction temp of my 3080 /3090 is just soo good. Is there any plan to add that on Linux ?

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If you don't want to pay for rig management hive OS have a rules that says one rig miner won't be bill meaning you are free to use a rig for free until you connect another separate rig to the Linux OS

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If you are good with computers you can easily just install Ubuntu yourself and configure everything on your own. However keep in mind being great at Microsoft Excel doesn’t mean you will find Linux easy. I found it very difficult. And many will also.

Hence you really are better off paying and it will make mining much easier and more stable. If you got lots of rigs and paying will be too costly for you then just go thru the hassles of configuring it yourself. When you get it working on one rig you can clone the drive and do the same for the rest of your rigs.

But let me tell you, it’s going to be a pain setting it up without headaches under Ubuntu. So the choice is yours.

rdluffy

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You're not wrong, but I agree with JayDDee, you're not paying the OS, you're paying for the service they provided to you

For me and probably most users here, we have few rigs, I use Hive OS for free, only in 1 rig, and I have windows in another rig, because I use as my PC.

But can you imagine someone having more than 10 rigs for example, using windows?
It's a mess, you set windows to turn off updates and tweak everything to mine, and then windows make some updates, restart, have problems with drivers etc

That person can use Linux, but it's a long way to do everything, set a restart for GPUs in case they failed, or some problem with electricity, download drivers etc

With specific mining OS, everything is easy, in a few minutes you can set your cards, overclock, put the rig to restart after a crash, and you can monitoring everything in one place, it's the cost to this service you're paying.

JayDDee

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You're missing something, Windows has no rig management. With HiveOS and others you're not paying
for the OS, you're paying for the rig management. If you want that on Windows, you pay for it.

luckymachine

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The situation is quite weird : people using Linux for mining mostly use HiveOS and have to pay while people using Windows with they rig can just let their rig unregistered and don't pay. So most people using Linux pay and people using Windows don't pay (I wouldn't have imagined that 10 years ago), is it the situation or am I missing something ? Of course one can also use Linux with a free distribution. Is mining with a free Linux distribution very practical for the rigs management ?

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