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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

Listing on exchange is an important part of a project's roadmap, investors are going to fund your project, in the hope that it will be listed in a decent exchange, as an investors I always check the potential of the project on getting listed in a good exchange, and how are they going to attract new investors, and to keep them listed in exchanges, exchange listing is the bloodline of any project.

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Listing on exchanges is a great event for every project. It's a day when anyone can participate in buying or selling, when
we can see the real demand and supply for a specific project. It's a big day for a project, and that day affects the project
but in which way depends on the people, investors, supporters, and all other involved parties.
That day of the listing can break a project in a couple days, or it can be amazing and fruitful for the project.

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it will indeed affect greatly but when everything can be seen more transparently then we can understand the financial condition of any project that cannot be listed on the more popular exchanges and i think it is something normal and investors will not be too concerned about things like that again

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Quote from: tabas on September 21, 2019, 02:26:25 PM

It's very simple, if the project doesn't have their own budget to list their token to a decent exchange they have an option to stop or list to an exchange that has a cheaper fee.

Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about

It's because the majority of the people here are investors and not developers.

That's the sad fact, people are here to make money out of these coins, these exchange should make an exception to support a project, that has a good potential in the market and in the community and not just list coins to make a profit, both from the exchange administrator and traders.

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I think the exchange has a great relationship with the success and failure of a project. Listing a top exchange is conducive to the long-term development of the project and also proves that the project has strong financial strength.

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how did you know that its a huge problem if no one is talking about it ? anyway , exchanges and thier listings are also a concern of most crypto citizens because some exchanges are not accurate and not only that but the service and security that exchanges offer are also the most common concern of traders/investor .

also , i dont see any exchange that ask for 8btc . the said amount is way too much . if im the coin owner , i will chose to not list the coin at all if 8btc is a requirement . exchanges only ask for some requirements that arent hard enough before a coin can be listed .

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Big exchanges certainly define the high costs of token listing, so before listing a token, the project team must first raise funds. If the funds collected are significant, it will not be a burden for the team to list tokens on large exchanges. But if the funds collected are less, the team can choose an exchange that has a cheap listing fee. All depends on the project team performance, how they do publicity to attract a lot of investor attention so that the token sale can be sold out.

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This is why projects prefer to key into the voting competitions organized by exchanges for listing. When this is done, the high fee is overlooked, most especially on bigger exchanges.
Although, most of the exchanges are trying to reduce the number of coins listing, because not every coin can afford such amount. So a genuine project, will try every means possible to deliver to her community.

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Quote from: Micerker on September 21, 2019, 07:01:24 PM

Everyone invests in projects because they want to get profits after that project's tokens listed on exchanges. Last listed on the exchange it is always the wish of the investor. Requests listed on the list always prioritised, which also affects the development of projects.

Investors wants to make sure that they can get their money back at no specific value, whether its a loss or not there concern is liquidity. Exchange listing is very important and should be the top priority of every token/coins. If the project is not listed after so many years, then i can say that its already a dead project.

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I remember before all this token nonsense started there were ways coins could be voted into being listed and bountied were places to help encourage users. Projects with a following and point of existence seemed to do well and always got listed. I wonder if it is still like that now.

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Listing should not have a strong effect on projects, because projects raise funds in a currency other than the issued one, that is, the initial capitalization of the project should not suffer in any way after the coin is listed.

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

We know yahoo62278 is one of the best bounty manager, managed by yahoo62278, a project still doesn't manage any exchange after 2 years. For start up a project 8 BTC is huge money. Another cost is development, which is also good problem for new project.

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Quote from: key4co.in on September 22, 2019, 05:46:39 PM

We all know that most centralized exchanges with huge user base usually demand outrageous amounts from projects for listing their coin or token. There is a saying that "cut your coat according to your size", hence if the funds raised during token sale is not so huge, there is no need to first list on exchanges demanding gigantic amounts. There are other decent exchanges with good trading volume and other cool features having reduced listing fee. Projects which didn't raise very big amounts can begin with such exchanges with fair listing fees.

Decentralized exchange is the way to go for a new project but doesn't guarantee a long lasting liquidity as most of people don't want to trade there because complicated in the eyes of people who are not tech savvy. Being listed on popular exchange also could skyrocket the liquidity of a token.

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We all know that most centralized exchanges with huge user base usually demand outrageous amounts from projects for listing their coin or token. There is a saying that "cut your coat according to your size", hence if the funds raised during token sale is not so huge, there is no need to first list on exchanges demanding gigantic amounts. There are other decent exchanges with good trading volume and other cool features having reduced listing fee. Projects which didn't raise very big amounts can begin with such exchanges with fair listing fees.

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It’s really a sad thing ! These standard has been set during the time that things were rosy in the crypto space and now things hasn’t be good enough for new projects to raise enough funds for their project ! Something had to be done to this so new projects can have equal opportunity to develop their projects and list on a good exchange !

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

I think no one is talking about it because it will have little or no effect neither will it make the exchange reduce the listing fee. However, irrespective of the fact I like upcoming projects to list on a good exhange, but am not a party to paying huge fees for first listing in any exchange. That is, i think it's better to list on a normal exchange with good liquidity first, build up the platform then consider listing on other exchanges, in this way the team won't be caught up with lack of funds to run the platform.

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No, I don't agree with you and in my view, your opinion is not right at all. The good project always makes up a good exchange listing. There are plenty of exchanges are life in the crypto market. From average to best, every kind of exchange we have. If you have don't money then why you are running a project? If you have a unique idea for the crypto world then go for crowdfunding or if you are a self-funded project then increase your self-fund to run a project smoothly. Why you only see the Binance? You may go for another top exchange to list your token! There has lots of solution if you want to.

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If a project doesn't even have 8 BTC to ensure the liquidity of its token, how can we be sure it has enough money to pay its developers?

8 BTC isn't even 2 years salary for a blockchain developer...

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

Yes this is a problem for new projects.. escrow.counos.com

Will be solve all problems

They will give low fee for list any coins

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

Why can't you see the big picture? exchanges are set up to make profit and to me if I were to be running an exchange I will demand more than that from these developers, When a project need just $5 million and decided to raise $30 million and suck all the demand from the market and list on one exchange and leave the investors to wait and hope for just pump and dump without hope of adding value to their platform

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I agree, it's crazy how these exchanges are charging projects for them to get listed. It can become a blocker for them especially if they don't have the funds yet to get in, anyways the amount you need to pay is nuts. It is true that one good exchange for a good project will be enough and what's important is how the coin will deliver to what they promised in the roadmap.

I also saw the news about Binance charging someone for $300,000 and 3% of their tokens.

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Quote from: pooh95 on September 21, 2019, 02:15:49 PM

Yes, there is such a problem, especially for new projects, lack of funds, careful selection by the exchanges themselves, all this greatly affects demand, and, as a result, the cost of coins, I think, the situation should change when the market recovers

Are you saying that exchanges that have too little trading volume will get better trading volume if or when market start recovering? damn! then there is many other things i still don't know about crypto yet even though ive been around for a while now

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new project often listed on a big exchange. i think project need to focus on their roadmap first than the listing on an exchange. Good project doesn't need a lot of exchange. one good exchange is enough.

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

I agree that this is the reason why so many new coins are not going for a big exchange, they prefer to list on a second-grade exchange that charges a minimal fee, but if you have a coin that has a good concept, they might let you in with a big discount, and some big exchanges employ a voting requirements plus a small fee to get in.

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

It was far harder in the past for coins to get listed on exchanges. The exchanges at least 3 years ago are very limited. Right now, projects could easily shop for a cheaper exchange to have their coins listed. There are a lot of lesser known exchanges right now with decent volume. Paying for an exchange listing should be a part of their plan if they want their coins to be accessible publicly. They cannot avoid that. A legit project don't take this as a problem. Only those who have no clear plans for the future will have a problem getting listed on an exchange simply because of listing fee.

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Quote from: btc-facebook on September 21, 2019, 07:07:06 PM

8 BTC is reasonable if the exchange is very large and already has enough users,
but not all of them pay 8 BTC, I've seen some exchanges have low costs for listings, for example stex, and of course there are quality and quality prices, stex is not like binance, but at least it could be an alternative with not quite expensive cost.

Binance would probably ask for more than a million dollars to be listed there. Even small exchanges charge HUGE amounts of money. Cryptopia charged 10 BTC when they where running. That's when BTC was at 14k btw.. That's $140k.. That's insane.

Decentralized exchanges is the future. That's where I'm putting my money. Sick and tired of exchange hacks (Never was a victim, thank god), exchange scandals, (Blocknet and Binance, holy shit what a shitfest). KYC enforcement, frozen wallets, etc. etc...

Sadly most of the DEX solutions we have right now, sucks, and lacks liquidity and volume. Hopefully Stakenet's Lightning DEX, will solve all of this. Do your own research, but their advantages is:

NO KYC
NO registration
Instant Trading
Virtually 0 Fees
100% Anonymity
100% Security

Everything a centralized exchange offers, just with added security.

My hate towards Binance is enourmous, they are a bunch of crooks, fooling everyone. Their "Binance DEX" is NOT a DEX at all. When you've got a DEX where all the nodes is owned by the same person (Binance) it's NOT a DEX.

One thing is for sure, these exchanges demanding TONS of money isn't getting my business.

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8 BTC is reasonable if the exchange is very large and already has enough users,
but not all of them pay 8 BTC, I've seen some exchanges have low costs for listings, for example stex, and of course there are quality and quality prices, stex is not like binance, but at least it could be an alternative with not quite expensive cost.

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Everyone invests in projects because they want to get profits after that project's tokens listed on exchanges. Last listed on the exchange it is always the wish of the investor. Requests listed on the list always prioritised, which also affects the development of projects.

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

Yes, we should be talking about the hefty price that a start-up project has to pay inorder to be listed in a good exchange. Actually, exchanges are always offering projects an easy chance to get listed but the fees can really be insurmountable that is why there had been many projects that failed to get past the exchange listing and just died a natural death. Maybe it is time that exchanges should also realize to make their fees reasonable and this has become a big milking cow for them. I am just not sure how we can help this problem, as just ordinary participants in the cryptocurrency marketplace.

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

Yes, and if the project does not have enough money to list, then the project may be stopped because the community will think they are scammer. A lot of projects in 2018 and 2019 died because of lack of funding

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

No one is talking about it because it's not our concern. I mean it's the project responsibility, that's why we have to check in their roadmap as to what exchanges they are going to supposedly list their exchange and we follow up on them as to what are the status. I'm sure they pretty know how much money is going to be involved listing their tokens to at least a mid tier exchanges.

As for exchanges demanding 8 BTC, it's a business, you are using their platform and their names to make your product a success so I don't see anything wrong with that. If a product lack the needed funds you can't blame exchanges for that.

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Just because you didn't see a thread about it doesn't mean no one is talking about it. The issue is commonly being discussed on telegram groups, when people demand to the team the exchange listings. Those legit projects that haven't had enough funds to list in big exchanges start to list their coin/token in a smaller one. They don't need to use all their funds to list in a big exchange on their start up, the project development is the top priority.

Big exchanges commonly demand for a high listing fee, well because of the higher volume too.

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Therefore, projects are forced to listing on smaller exchanges, because they are cheaper. This of course affects the project, but the team will have an incentive to try harder in the development of their project, so that they can then afford a listing on a large exchange.

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we have already talked about this in the past and even a crap exchange site with full manipulation has already charged more than 11 bitcoin as listing fees.
As far as i know, some projects are using the funds that already collected from investors to pay the exchange site.
But this is speculation only consider about exchange site is not transparent about that and about the agreement between exchange site and ICO or IEO itself and we didn't know about that

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

I don't think that it's a problem, the problem becomes evident if project doesn't raise enough funds to list their tokens on a reputable exchanges. If that is the case then they are either force to list it on some shitty and shady exchanges or delay the listing and wait for more funds to come in. But since there are huge pressures from investors and bounty hunters calling them scam if they don't list on exchange based on what they promise, they quickly work on some unknown exchanges and the result is a total disaster.

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

This is one of the reasons why most of the projects prefer to list on smaller exchanges and some go too the extent of listing on exchanges that allow free listing. The amount the bigger exchange charge are sometimes unimaginable. They also know this, but that stops nothing and it does not change anything.

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If a project doesn't have enough funds to list on a big exchange they can always list on smaller exchanges first then list on bigger exchanges later when they have the funds.

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Exchange need money and the little project really in need to be listed on a popular exchanges but unfortunately that's not that easy. But there's always this decentralized exchange that's really useful for a small project that usually lacking the fund or not listed on any exchanges at all.
The big exchanges doing so because they want the best crypto to be listed into their exchange site and at the same time gaining profit. most of the popular exchanges will delist coin with low 24h trading volume so there's no point listing a project with low capitalization.

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I can see how hard it is for a small project to be listed on an exchange. Way back years ago, there are lots of exchanges that offers free listing or have the community to vote for the next cryptocurrency to be listed on their exchange, but it seems somehow that kind of practice is not existing anymore and if ever it existed, the exchange themselves added an extra demand for that winning cryptocurrency to be finally listed on their exchange. One example is Binance issue with Digibyte.

It maybe easy for those who collected 10 millions of dollars to belisted on big exchange but how about those who just collected a million or two, for sure they would rather spend the fund for development than paying for bigger exchanges.

Quote from: irixo10 on September 21, 2019, 03:58:31 PM

Sadly as it is, most of these exchanges aren't helping matters as they care only about their own cut while it is the community that most times pushes the team into taking such steps. A good team should always have their plan, listen to the community but not in all cases and also does not mean they have to list on a shit exchange; there are good exchangea which can help kick off a project after which the team can consider listing on higher exchanges. The aim is always to grow a project not to kill it through paying unnecessarily for listing.

Agreed 100%.

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Sadly as it is, most of these exchanges aren't helping matters as they care only about their own cut while it is the community that most times pushes the team into taking such steps. A good team should always have their plan, listen to the community but not in all cases and also does not mean they have to list on a shit exchange; there are good exchangea which can help kick off a project after which the team can consider listing on higher exchanges. The aim is always to grow a project not to kill it through paying unnecessarily for listing.

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Most of the good projects are well funded! If you have a unique model and products in your project, then money will not be a problem to list on the bigger exchange. BEAM raised less than 5 Million USD but they are listed on Binance, but Pumapay raised more than 100 Million USD but they did not list on Binance or on any major exchanges. Money is not the issue here mate, don't support scammers words, please.

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I don't know where you got this information from and I don't think there is a certain amount of money that is gotten by exchanges to list a token. The exact amount is likely determined in negotiations. A exchange might list a token freely as it has benefits for them. Also, they don't list a token even if they are offered high amounts of money.
Due to high number of exchanges, there is a competetive market. This makes the listing costs lower. I am sure there are many exchanges (I mean good exchanges) that list the tokens with very lower amounts of money.

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The bigger the exchange market, the greater the registration fee that has to be incurred. In everyday life we often encounter cases like that, The greater the cost, the better the service obtained, And it will be easier to attract the attention of traders.
So I guess, to increase the attractiveness of traders, a project must have its own costs to be able to register their coins in a good market.

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I don't agree with you. Funds aren't only the problem here. Cryptosolartech, HDAC, Online and so many projects raised 50-80 Million USD from the ICO, but they did not list on a better exchange like Binance, Huobi, oKex! Because they don't want to spend that money, they want to fill their belly by eating people's money. You know most of the projects are greedy or scammer minded in crypto! Good projects can increase their value even by listing on IDEX!

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

Funny enough it now looks like a norm, most people don't see it as an issue listing on big exchanges even the community will kinda mount pressure on the team to list in major exchanges without considering the effect it will have on the project. However, what I understand is, any project with a good concept can set up strategies, list on a good exchange first, create awareness before migrating to other exchanges in this way, it won't have any effect on the project.

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For exchange fee issue, I think it is natural that they ask for costs, which can be said to be expensive for projects that lack funds, because if this is not implemented, I think there will be many projects that voluntarily register at a good exchange but do not have interested ones.

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That is because people are acting addicted to some exchanges. You will see the investors insisting that they want a token to be listed on a certain exchange where there are series of exchanges looking for free listing.

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Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

Indeed we know that the average listing fee in exchange is not cheap, but this is not a reason to stop the project, because there is still an exchange with a cheap listing fee and also has a voting system in their community, to determine the addition of new tokens later.

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Good point, this is actually what drives many new projects to list on other low exchanges they see, big exchanges are uneasy with new projects,they are demanding big money which i think its really bad, its a fact that not all projects will achieve their hardcap in ICO projects,i hope exchanges can reconsider listing fees

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It's very simple, if the project doesn't have their own budget to list their token to a decent exchange they have an option to stop or list to an exchange that has a cheaper fee.

Quote from: Bitbtc8 on September 21, 2019, 01:58:51 PM

i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about

It's because the majority of the people here are investors and not developers.

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Yes, there is such a problem, especially for new projects, lack of funds, careful selection by the exchanges themselves, all this greatly affects demand, and, as a result, the cost of coins, I think, the situation should change when the market recovers

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Why is no one talking about price listing of exchanges? exchanges listing is becoming a huge problem for many start up projects, how can an exchange be demanding for 8btc to list? how will the projects have enough money to work on their roadmap? i think exchange problem is what many of us are not seeing and talking about...it would have been a different story for some projects that lacks funds

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