Topic: Little help with an abusive member: Vod - Self Proclaimed forum admin (Read 3124 times)

In this case, there's far more than just intellectual properties as well.

Ok Badbear, fine with me. There's no way Vod's going to go for this though, he's far too proud. Comparing Vod to Hitler might have been a bit extreme. I guess it's just because when I think about how he's been telling lies about me and trying to libel me, I just want to grab him by the throat and squeeze, I'm sure we've all had people like that really get to us. Sorry for being human.

I still don't understand why you're not bringing up the fact that Vod's been lying here (which has been what most of my posts have been trying to point out). Maybe it has something to do with fact that you've given him the power do do what he's doing being adding him to your Trust circle?

At the point Vod said he's not removing it, I starting caring much less about pushing the project forward here and a lot more about exposing him and showing people that he's lying and I didn't do what he's claiming. Vod is been lying about me since the beginning of all this, please address this if you want to start picking me apart. Try to be fair. I don't think I've been burying any facts though. I think 50% of my posts have been basically about getting Vod to simply say what post or posts I've deleted or what questions I've tried to hide, which is the basis for his negative rating (at least his most recent one). Still, to this day, he has not done that.

So, I accept your proposal to delete all this and start over with an unmoderated thread. I'll just ignore the trolls that derail, or report their posts to you guys. I can almost guarantee that Vod is far too stubborn to go for it though. At this point I'm pretty sure he just doesn't care about being wrong or fixing anything.

intellectual properties are often stolen. some stolen ideas are often more innovative that what he may have right now and could establish the first any moment right after he'll publish it. 

whether he's a scam or not. we don't know it yet.

Kickstarter would be a better fit, actually. Large-scale investment projects aren't really suited for this forum. The OP has an inherent paranoia about other people stealing his/her "idea" though. You'd think that someone who has supposedly been involved in a considerable amount of business ventures would know that ideas are a dime a dozen. This apparent shadiness is mostly where the community distrust for him/her stems from.

Actually... it's not that people here aren't interested. We've all been redirected/distracted from his proposal since the beginning. He should direct that tenacity towards his business instead of playing a no win game with Vod. 

FINALLY!!! Thank you BadBear!  I'm so glad I'm not the only one who recognized this.

Linking to another one his threads: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8014184

Just go on evershawn. If you think Vod is an abusive member and can't help put up your business, forget about him and that negative rep.  You will be wasting more time.

There are group of people that might just be interested to what you are planing.. go to digitalpoint forum. People there might just be interested.

Wow. Evershawn, you really aren't helping your case. You've done nothing but shoot yourself in the foot repeatedly. You're burying the facts in hyperbole and bullshit, this is a common tactic for trolls, less so for entrepreneurs with a reputation to protect. You've done far more damage to your reputation than anyone else ever could. I mean seriously, you're comparing someone who posted unfavorable things about you on the internet, to Hitler, someone who killed millions of people, while at the same time claiming he's the unreasonable one. You need to take a look at your ranting objectively.

All the horseshit aside, this all started because you asked for a large amount of funding, and then after a few good questions, you immediately jumped to making a self moderated thread. Shady, and I can see where Vod is coming from.

I propose a compromise, you stick to a non self moderated thread, and Vod removes his feedback, since that was his initial concern.

Though truth be told I don't really care what happens here, just a suggestion as an impartial observer.

So by way of this statement, just because someone is a long time member here (which in this case, I am too), they have carte blanche right of prosecution without having to post any evidence or reasoning for it? Seems legit...

Posting like that isn't going to get you anymore pull with the more passive long term members here, sorry, but when people accused of scamming get indignant that just irritates me especially when we have people on this forum who have tried to blackmail legitimate sellers as new members.

FUCK VOD and anyone pissing on anyone due to them being new and posting something of value.

Dude comes here to offer one of the rarest books in the world for btc, right away assholes like VOD (not vod in that tread but a putz just like him) jumps all over the guy with one of the most valuable books in the world.

Dude put in his post FACE TO FACE in my bank it's in a vault, yada yada yada happy horeshit.

Still a putz like VOD jumped on him saying a newbie with such an asset.

So this Forum is the problem, they allow what is called Forum Bullies to dominate new users.

So new users here's my buddies forum.

Launched last week already 2M in alexa

www.1Domains.org

They will monitor it and if assholes like Vod appear BANG he's gone.

They also monitor for scams and such and warn to be careful.

But this forum has people dedicated to pissing all over anything of wealth that hits it, since 99.9% of the users here are peasants like the rest of the world.

Sure a few wallets may be here, but 99.9% of the bs on this site is micro btc offers pure crap and nothing any person of WEALTH would read.

FUCK VOD he's the biggest asshole on this Forum IMO, and the forum as a whole is a pretty cool site, but they allow veteran users to bully newbies, this isn't a fucking FRAT but it operates like one.

There have been people backing me up and supporting that you should provide the question I allegedly deleted or avoiding answering in some way which is what your negative trust says, even in this thread. I've asked them to contact you too since you're unwilling to provide answers here about it.

What lies am I telling? If you consider a threat, exposing you for what you're doing to me... what the hell did you expect?

You make all these claims but provide ZERO examples of anything. You're mad because I react to you leaving me a false negative trust rating. That's just plain silly. Maybe you're used to getting away with being a cyber bully with most people but I'm one of the people that punches the bully back.

Anyway, you make a lot of claims but never do you provide any proof or examples of any of it.

Actually, a scammer would normally just walk away when caught and make a new account. It's the innocent people that you try to ruin that make a fuss.

Your smug attitude and arrogant demeanor really do a lot to show who you really are though, so I appreciate it when you drop in and give a display of it for everyone to see.

You're not getting it. This isn't about doing trades. This is about someone with some inner circle green abusing it because he can. It's wrong and damaging when it's done to people that don't deserve it. He's given me the red based on false information. In this case he's not protecting the community he is reacting to something out of anger and emotion to get to me and display his status.

So protecting the community is in no way ALL he is doing. He's also being abusive and rating people negative and falsely accusing them of scamming when they have not done so or even tried to, simply because he doesn't like them or something they said to him.

I am on Vod's side on this one. All he is doing is protecting the community. If you have neg trust then you can use escrow when you do trades.

Look guys, Vod supposedly was away from the computer (even though he had made posts since). He had an opportunity to respond in the posts he just made, all I have ever asked is which post or question did I delete which was the basis for his negative feedback.

He's still replied with nothing. Because there is nothing.

I react like I do, because I'm an innocent man being slapped with a guilty verdict and being sentenced by one man who is an arrogant smug asshole about the whole thing. He's got no shame, has no problem completely fabricating his reasoning because of his emotions yet I'm the bad one for getting upset that he did that to me. Before he did that, I was  totally professional and forthcoming with him. I did nothing to deserve it.

Think about that guys... really... Just because he does some good, it makes it ok for him to harass some people that don't deserve it? It's like some people are giving him a free pass because he's busted a few real scammers along the way.

to be honest, i can be a little aggressive when pressured too. more so when online for some reason. there are lots of asshats on the net and when you feel like somebody is directing there negative energy at you sometimes you don't always respond in the most professional way. when it comes to my business i have learned to keep control. but if it's not business related i still find myself getting defensive and shooting my mouth off a little quicker than i should.

I think Vod can be overzealous sometimes but tomatocage is definitely trustworthy he helped me target a scammer that was causing a lot of trouble awhile back and even got some money off me, it's interesting though because given the reactions some of these people give which just simply aren't what normal people would do in such a situation it seems like a good thing people like him are here to put them under pressure since it makes them think twice.

Scammers don't seem to realise that Bitcoiners understand things like how the bond market works and aren't you're average fools who lend out money to just anyone

Why would anyone want to invest in people who act so unprofessional?

I think maybe we should make it a requirement at Vod tags all projects on the forum just to see how the people presenting them react. Emotional overreactions and business are not a good combination.

On the hand if the person calmly worked the issue out in a public manner without over reacting that would reflect well on them.

Oh, I thought you gave up on this forum. I'll go make some popcorn.

Completely true and have seen this first hand. Unfortunately, the number of scam attempts on this forum are so overwhelming it leaves scammer hunters a bit jaded

i got caught up in this vigilante scammer hunter thing too. i understand the reason for it and it probably does more good than harm but it still sucks when your an honest guy and you get the finger pointed at you when you have done nothing wrong. goat did it to me he left me bad trust calling me a scammer and started a thread in scam accusation cause i was a new guy who would not ship first for for him when he asked. i got pissed and did the same thing to him i left him trust calling him a scammer. when i got over it i tried to be reasonable and call truce with him but he wouldn't have it. he was too proud. i'm pretty trusted here now and my only bad trust is from him so it's pretty obvious he was wrong to call me a scammer. when you guys throw out the scammer nets sometimes you will reel in a honest joe who is just trying to sell his shit.

not defending this guy, just speaking from my own experience.

Vod: Shoot first, ask questions later.

He is simply putting the burden of proof on a potential scammer.

The right course of action would have been:
1) Open a new not self moderated thread
2) Close the self moderated thread
3) PM Vod saying you see the issue, you took action and kindly ask him to review his feedback.

Potentially you could have added a disclaimer to your post, just like bankers do on their risky products.

The way you act I wouldn't entrust you with any investment. Vod didn't "ruin" your account. You did it yourself.


Disclaimer: I like Vod. He filters out scammers, hotheads, asshats etc. early.

I think that vod can be a little excessive in his negative trusting members of this forum. With that being said what he does is a valuable service to newbies on this forum as without him a lot of them would likely get scammed by the people he is negative trusting.

Hey Web.   

hey vod   

Dude I can buy YOU and the last 10 Generations of your inbred family TEN TIMES OVER.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

This can be the official thread for scammers to come and attack me!  

I'm proud of the fact scammers hate me so much.  Shows I am making a difference.

It says to me that:

a) You seem to have a knack making up imaginary situations, like me having alt profiles.
b) I was working and this is my first time on the forum today.
c) No person has asked me about anything regarding you - NAME THE "NEUTRAL" PARTIES THAT "ATTEMPTED" TO ASK ME, LIAR?  

Listen bozo, I'll make this very clear to you.  When a person starts to threaten me in PM and post lies about me on the forum, I end all dealings with that person.  Life is too short to deal with dishonest people.

He still is unwilling to respond on his allegations even after I had neutral parties attempt to ask him about it.

What does that say to you? The man destroys an account, won't explain why to anyone.

Pretty sure that means he's:

a) Lying about it
b) Realizes he'd sound like a fool trying to explain it
c) Does not want to admit wrong-doing

Pretty crappy of him and he won't fix it.

I think I have plenty of information to show that I'm right. Vod is accusing me of deleting questions from my thread to avoid answering them as the basis for his negative feedback. I simply responded with what question have a deleted or avoided answering in any way.

Vod  responded with "...". Oh ya, wait, this is what Vod will not respond to. If anyone has avoided answering questions, it's Vod.

The guy has ruined my account and lied about his reasoning for doing it. I opened this thread, which is not moderated to hash out his justification for doing that. I asked the most simple question of all: Can you provide one example of me doing what you're claiming for the basis of your scam accusation?

So far, he has not done so. The reason he has not done so, is because I have not done it, period. He did make replies after asking him this question but completely avoided answering that or touching on it in any way. When sending him a PM about it, he blocked me.

To me that clearly demonstrates that this guy is abusive, untrustworthy and on an ego trip.

Why in the hell would you people endorse a guy like that? If he's doing it to me, you can be sure I'm not his first innocent victim. I am however, not one to take something like this sitting down and I won't just sit idle and let him get away with it.

This situation is a text example of conflict of data. Vod thinks op is scammer op says he is not. No one has sufficient information to prove other side wrong. We can't solve it on its current level.

I'm all about that, and think it's great that anyone would devote time to making this a safer place to trade. At the same time when I read through this case I do not see any scam that has taken place or attempted to take place so it appears that some of that momentum has been misguided. I'd probably be angry too if I was a full member that had positive trading history and got his account ruined like that for nothing.

Not saying that acting out is a good way to resolve the dispute, just saying that just because one guy like Vod does good doesn't make it ok go do bad as well. My opinion here is that these guys should talk about this like adults and resolve it. It seems like Vod did this to Evershawn more in anger than because he's actually done any sort of scam activity to deserve it.

Just my 2satoshi on it.

vod is the forum's new el cabron   

Vod probably has had enough of the attention from all the members he has given negative trust hes given so many and if he made a big deal out of all of them then he wouldn't be doing his job over at the lending section. Vod is trustworthy in my eyes and has been a great help to avoid scams along with is partner in scam removal tomatocage.

I'm curious too why Vod is not responding to Evershawn's question as to what exactly he deleted to earn a negative trust from him. I've read though both of the threads here and I see nothing in response to that or any evidence that it took place. I would think if this guy Vod is doing all of this to the guy for that reason, it would be the first thing he is willing to respond to...

Gonna have to go with Evershawn here if I was just going off of what I see posted in both threads. My advice to Evershawn would be to tone it down a little though. The more anger you display, the more he technically wins.

Seems to me like both parties in this case should resolve this via PM and take it off of the forum. Probably more of a misunderstanding that got blown out of proportion.

The whole basis of his negative trust rating was that I was deleting questions from my thread to avoid answering them (go see his negative trust rating on me, it states specifically "Running scam asking for 700btc and deleting any questions asked (moderation)". Yet I have never deleted a single question). I have asked him for an example of this several times because it was baffling me why he would have done this in the first place since I knew I had never done what he was claiming. When sending him a PM asking him to explain it, he blocked me.

He is still yet to explain what question I deleted and what it is that I was avoiding which is the basis for his original negative trust rating that started all of this. The reason he's not explaining it is because there never was anything and it's just something he made up.

Do you guys really want a guy like that acting as the self proclaimed sheriff, making up lies about the people he is persecuting? It's great if he has helped some people avoid being scammed but what I am pointing out here is that he's also attacking people that have never tried scamming anyone and he's also lying and has no integrity. That seems like a person to me that you DO NOT want acting in that capacity. Please, please feel free to have a look for yourself. I haven't deleted any of his BS from my thread. Everything he's said about me so far is 100% false and he's unwilling to give any explanation in this thread or that one.


Not sure why he'd bother posting this either. This guy has never done a single 'deal' on this forum to gain any feedback (unlike me and others he's giving negative ratings to). He's not gained even 1 trust rating by taking any risk or doing any trades here. All of his feedback is just blindly been given to him by users thinking or assuming he's some 'good guy' doing proactive scam prevention work here on the forum. Let me tell you, that is not all he does. He also uses this trust he's been given very abusively and unfairly on others, ruining their accounts without good reason.

Yes you are, liar.    

I'm not sure why you are trying to convince others I have alts but I assume it's for your future scam attempts.  Stop with the PM threats.

If anyone receives a PM from another user claiming to be my alt, consider them to be scamming and do not enter into any deal.  I have no alts.

evershawn, given the trust that Vod has garnered (I'm not referring to the trust system here) I doubt you'll find too many sympathizers here.  I would suggest advertising your plan somewhere else.  If you don't feel bitcointalk is welcoming you are free to post elsewhere as this site is not the only game in town.  Vod is fulfilling his role as community vigilante and to be honest he had helped thousands of people from getting scammed - at least that is my opinion.

It occurs to me that this thread will not help.

You have a self moderated thread that is asking for 700btc. This is a huge amount of bitcoin that you are asking for, close to a half million dollars. A self moderated thread allows you to delete any post, including ones that ask good, tough questions that you do not wish to answer.

His feedback is correct. You should post your request in a thread that is moderated by the forum mods when trying to raise this much.

It doesn't appear that way, I'm not the only one saying it.

Also, you've given me negative trust for no reason, so that says a lot about you. You're the one that's created all of this. My guess is that you like the attention.

I've said it many times - I only have the one account.    

Do you use the same logic and judgement in your 700btc business dealings?

Yes, I do remove feedback if I am in the wrong.  I have done it many times in the past.

I have seen before some thread with Vods post. He is ok guy I think. But he is to hasty and he calls shots instantaneously. He did not wait to see if he was right about someone usually and show his distrust. But I have seen him calling off his distrust so there is hope.

Actually, I agree with you. I'm changing it to one negative trust feedback that explicitly states why I'm leaving it. Because this member is abusing me and the trust system unfairly.

Now, I don't think people can say I'm doing this unfairly or being a hypocrite because I have a legitimate reason to leave this, since this member is abusing me for no real reason.

I've never left trust unfairly to anyone. If I left trust it was because of a personal direct experience with someone. I left him negative trust out of retaliatory anger and it's been removed. The only other negative trust I've left where for actual scammers / trolls running a bosscoin scam a while back.

This guy left me trust for NO good reason at all. Just decided he didn't like MY thread...

That takes abuse up to levels that no one should be allowed to do.

I gave Vod negative trust, because it's the only way to stop him from continuing on his abusive rampage of the trust system. Only way to make the trust he gives not count, is to make his trust go down.

But it's only abuse when it's done to you, not when you do it? You left your "opinion" for a few users, same as Vod did to you.
You would be better served by locking this thread and trying to gain more positive Trust.

I admit doing the same thing back to him. Ya, I was pissed off and since there's no regulation of abuse like that, it's the only option I saw. So, you're right, I'll remove it from his profile. It was done in anger back to him.

You're just making things worse for you...

After viewing your left feedback, you have done exactly the same thing, several times to different people. Also, you are spamming Vod's feedback. You really need to close this thread and remove all your misguided feedback before starting a complaint against anyone for something you are guilty of as well. Trying to influence the masses to neg rep someone usually backfires in a big way.

Ya, I checked in to that but unfortunately the trust system is not moderated. If someone builds up  their account just for the sole purpose of being a jerk with the turst system and abusing people that can do nothing back, so be it, they can. Big flaw in this forum and the only way to fight it is to plead with the staff to either remove him from the default trust system or ban him.

This is why I'm asking people to do this. He's screwed up my rep here, because all anyone's ever going to see from now on this that big red mark before anything else. Let's just prevent this lonely son of a bitch from continuing to do this to anyone else.

I agree that his down rating on you for that topic was unfair, but isn't asking people to down his trust in exchange just as blatant an abuse of the trust system? I'd try more for seeing if it your bad rating can be removed somehow.

Hey Guys,

So I've been on this forum for quite a while. I've done nothing but honest business and done lots of trades here.

I decide to make a thread to see if any investors want to come in on a company of mine. Some asshat named Vod comes in, makes a bunch of assumptions and leaves me a red mark without any real reason other than his opinion is that my deal is not a good one to him.

That's clear and blatant abuse of the trust system here. I'd ask everyone that feels I'm right, please post here and 'sign' this petition against him. He solicited feedback from some high ranking escrow services and traders here so that he can ruin your rep to a lot of people when he leaves a mark. He doesn't even transact business here, he just goes around judging people. If you go through and see the people he's done this to, you can clearly see he's been at this for some time and most of it unfairly.

He needs to be taken out of the default trust system, because he is abusing it.

Link to the thread he's done this to me based off of: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702233.new#new

I appreciate your time.