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Quote from: rodskee on April 25, 2023, 01:03:21 AM

this is what I never come to experience to chase my losses because the moment i deposit and starts playing then I already knew that i will lose but surely win with fun and happiness .

If you think you are winning already because you are enjoying the game no matter what happens with your money then there is no need to chase for some thing because it's always guaranteed that you will enjoy each time you play gambling. Our game will depend on us and not on the casino.

If we are going to fast, there must be a reason with that. It can be that we will do some other things after we play gambling. The worse thing on why a gambler speeds up is because they want quick profits. I doubt they will be successful with that. There are some pro gamblers that I saw who successfully made over 1 BTC starting from a tiny satoshi but they achieve it slowly. It took them longer hours or even days, weeks.

The gamblers who tend to play with higher speeds or increase their bets with every lost bet tend to lose more money in less time, though sometimes they get lucky and win a bet that returns them pretty much what they've lost but that doesn't work all the time since the house edge factor doesn't let them have an advantage.

Only the very lucky gamblers manage to win big using the speeding technique, otherwise, if you are over speeding with you bets on any game, you are more likely to lose everything to the house due to the house edge.

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Although the house edge is bigger, I do prefer live casino games. Just seems more fun playing with a live dealer around.

Nothing can beat these 1000x multipliers on the slot machines though Grin

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Quote from: Jating on April 28, 2023, 09:12:34 AM

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The big mistake for players who are playing in here
- Playing in a shity casino like this
- 3gp camera
- Bad mic
- Stupid card.

If people smart will never play on a casino/provider who is provided like these. I would never and ever playing on a casino like these, by what they offer to the player should be at least avoid that.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

We still don't know if we are cheated though even in live casino dealer, we don't know if that roulette is biased to a certain number. And obviously casino's has the house edge in roulette, so the longer you play the chance that you might lose as well.

And here is a video of a live casino dealer cheating,

So in any case, there are still ways for casinos to cheat, just saying, whether it's supposedly provably fair or live dealer.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 25, 2023, 01:33:51 AM

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WTF ? all roulette are cheating bro.

One of the games, I ban for live-games. It's better playing card game, example like high card (one-card only). Even a dice game, the dice can be cheated with some magnet that's why card game are the solution.

Especially "BJ" you can card-counting them, however the casino can back of you. If they knew, you are card counter even we all know is legal to count the card but they prohibited any advantage player.

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Quote from: rodskee on April 25, 2023, 01:03:21 AM

this is what I never come to experience to chase my losses because the moment i deposit and starts playing then I already knew that i will lose but surely win with fun and happiness .

If you think you are winning already because you are enjoying the game no matter what happens with your money then there is no need to chase for some thing because it's always guaranteed that you will enjoy each time you play gambling. Our game will depend on us and not on the casino.

If we are going to fast, there must be a reason with that. It can be that we will do some other things after we play gambling. The worse thing on why a gambler speeds up is because they want quick profits. I doubt they will be successful with that. There are some pro gamblers that I saw who successfully made over 1 BTC starting from a tiny satoshi but they achieve it slowly. It took them longer hours or even days, weeks.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I am not sure in which city you usually play and how big the casinos are where you enjoy Roulette, but if you are playing one of the large casinos then I wouldn't worry about cheating or rigged games. In most countries the gambling industry is highly regulated and there are government inspections that will check the casinos on a constant basis on how well their games are operating. Roulette by itself is already a game that makes a lot of money for the casino. The house edge ensure that with enough games there will a constant profit. It just doesn't make any sense for one of the big casinos to risk their reputation by rigging the Roulette tables. If the news would come out it would be a huge scandal and the casino would be ruined. Nobody would play again at a casino that rigs it's games.

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Quote from: rodskee on April 25, 2023, 01:03:21 AM

I only play live casino in Roulette and Black jack , actually the lightning games is my favorite but after reading a thread here about the cheating happening in roulette ?
maybe i will skip playing this game even in live for now while looking for another game to gamble.

Not all Roulette providers in the casino are cheating, friends. You just need to find a casino with a Roulette game that you can rely on.
The Roulette game is a live game that many gamblers can participate in so you don't need to worry too much if there is an act of cheating because you can see the statistics in the roulette game for several rounds which have been going on whatever numbers come out.
Usually the Roulette game has different exit numbers in several sessions so you can take advantage and calculate the loopholes to place your bet numbers.
Never think that there is cheating in a game because it will only take away your confidence when betting.

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Quote from: Hispo on April 21, 2023, 05:43:31 PM

If it goes too fast, then slow down. Whatever helps you to gamble responsibly it is okey and you are supposed to welcome it. Good luck. Wink

this is what I never come to experience to chase my losses because the moment i deposit and starts playing then I already knew that i will lose but surely win with fun and happiness .
never chase losses because that will double or even more your losing , and that is what most of my friend experienced from their gambling activities .

Quote from: Pierre 2 on April 23, 2023, 01:24:42 PM

I didn't experience live casino betting a lot. But in today's football match I roleplayed like I am doing live bets. I feel like it can be very cool experience tho. When I am watching a football match sometimes both teams love motivation especially when score is draw. At that point it can be cool to change your decision to increase your winning chance. Also sudden red cards can change football betting a lot. I would enjoy luxury of live betting.

I only play live casino in Roulette and Black jack , actually the lightning games is my favorite but after reading a thread here about the cheating happening in roulette ?
maybe i will skip playing this game even in live for now while looking for another game to gamble.

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Quote from: Negotiation on April 22, 2023, 09:57:58 AM

Gambling is not the only economic loss of the country or the individual many people suffer from family turmoil due to gambling addiction.

While I agree with you that gambling addiction is bad and it is supposed to be prevented by all means like any other addiction. In a macroeconomical sense, gambling can represent a boost for local economies and even entire regions, it does not origin of doom and destruction.

For example, if it was not for gamblings cities like Las Vegas would not be as famous and would not be a very important touristic hotspot. If people got the help they need and problem gambling as not a thing, still the government and the people would benefit, since casinos usually need to pay special taxes and even donate to charity. In the end, it is a business and part of culture. But it is a personal opinion from each of us, and I respect it. Wink

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

That's what you called your "own scenario". You end up at the point where you discover a certain pattern or situation. It happened to everyone and it varies with each other. But technically, don't make things too complicated. It's just that sometimes, you have to understand that the situation won't always favor you.

In other words, that's what gambling is all about - to win or to lose - regardless if it's a live casino or the usual online casino game.

If you are having a bad losing streak on a particular session, take a break, that's it.

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I didn't experience live casino betting a lot. But in today's football match I roleplayed like I am doing live bets. I feel like it can be very cool experience tho. When I am watching a football match sometimes both teams love motivation especially when score is draw. At that point it can be cool to change your decision to increase your winning chance. Also sudden red cards can change football betting a lot. I would enjoy luxury of live betting.

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 21, 2023, 03:27:33 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 21, 2023, 03:05:53 PM

No one is telling us to gamble so we should already know that casinos can easily cheat us without us knowing. And if we already know, we should also know what to do and if the casino really cheats on us, we can move to another casino.

Meanwhile, we also know that in gambling, we can get two outcomes: winning and losing. And if we have experienced defeat or victory, we still have two options: winning and losing. So we should have thought about whether we still want to play gambling or we have to stop gambling.

Probably its not cheating for them as they are more focus on winning over the gamblers, and this has been their system. Live casinos are ok, but it is still not guaranteed your winnings so don’t expect that much. Roulette is a great game to play live, there’s indeed a time where you can think though if you see some irregularities with the site better to raise that concern so they can investigate and assure you about the fairness of the site.

I personally think that games like roulette and others should only be played if they are in game-mode and not in live casinos, I know that some casinos provide legitimate live games but if you are gambling on a platform that isn't very well-known or trusted, you should avoid playing at their live games because you might be cheated and you wouldn't even know it.

I would personally never gamble on a platform that is no provably-fair, and if it is, I only play the games where I can easily verify the results of the bets I've made so far if I feel something isn't right about the game or the casino in general.

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Quote from: Negotiation on April 22, 2023, 09:57:58 AM

If you try to earn money by becoming addicted to gambling, it will lead to more losses and should be played as a means of entertainment. Gambling will result in winning and losing trying to get everything from now on will destroy life one kind of curiosity is an addiction to various gambling sites. At first, he got greedy by investing a small amount of money and at one stage loses millions of rupees. Gambling is not the only economic loss of the country or the individual many people suffer from family turmoil due to gambling addiction.

Both live casinos and provably fair games could result in losses if we don't manage the risk and limit ourselves from compulsive gambling. We might think that we are being cheated on a certain game but in the first place we should keep in mind that gambling will always be accompanied by the possibility of losses. If we aim for continuous winnings then we are on the wrong track because we can never beat the house. Instead of having high hopes and goals that are too good to be true, better enjoy gambling as a form of entertainment.

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If you try to earn money by becoming addicted to gambling, it will lead to more losses and should be played as a means of entertainment. Gambling will result in winning and losing trying to get everything from now on will destroy life one kind of curiosity is addiction to various gambling sites. At first he got greedy by investing a small amount of money and at one stage loses millions of rupees. Gambling is not the only economic loss of the country or the individual many people suffer from family turmoil due to gambling addiction.

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Do it for fun.

Gambling is addicting, even if you make money off gambling today, and you go back tomorrow you will still lose all the entire money you've won unless you quit gambling the day you win a lot of money.

If I don't have a spare 10 or 20$ I won't go near gambling and I believe that there is nothing I can get from gambling, this is why I don't find myself getting obsessed with gambling.

It's a scary way of earning money and I see where people get too addicted to gambling and it ruined their lives, till today they haven't balanced their lives, I mean all of them.

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Quote from: cabron on April 20, 2023, 01:32:06 PM

I have the same issue. It gets good in a few hours, I just have to prepare my coffee and back and then lose the next rounds. It's the opposite of what you expect when you get excited. I close my eyes and remember the advice to stop when you're winning.

Your mind always just has the set up that you can't stop when you know you still didn't recover the money from your previous loss. Hard to learn when you have read all the advice and recommendations over and over yet you have not followed the advice.

You really can't predict what will happen and it is just a proof that at anytime you won't stay on the profitable side. Actually in my experience it is just both. Probably, what the OP experienced is just a coincidence the difference I see between probably fair games and live casinos is that the live casino is slow paced than the provably fair games.

provably games and live casino have their own Terms and condition also they have their own way to run the casino. But they are the same in one thing and also we all know this. Every casino have their strategy and one thing they are the same is once we put our bet we should not think at we are always the winner in short it will base on our luck and once we've bring our luck then we will win a good amount of money.

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The longer you bet, higher the chances are for you to lose. So try to keep your gambling sessions small.
Doing that will limit your losses for the day and then you will get more time to think how to size your bet for the next day.
You will also be able to change your strategy for the next gambling session and control yourself from over gambling.
So don't go in hard and limit yourself for just a few bets per session.

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Quote from: Weawant on April 22, 2023, 12:10:01 AM

Quote from: Gozie51 on April 20, 2023, 02:22:02 PM

I think you are trying to compare Live casino over provably fair games as against your winning and losing experience and based on your post, it appears as if you are also part of your challenge likewise most gamblers experience. So while gambling in whatever form, you have to understand that you are up against your luck and emotions. By the way gambling is meant to be for fun Grin

don't put all your financial hope on it.

Two mistakes gamblers make, first they don't play as fun but instead they want to make money quickly and they get pressure into making mistakes and they lose that particular bets, it doesn't matter whatever game they're playing. It could be live casino games or others.

Second, they don't stop when they're losing, instead they chase after their lost and want to make profits to cover up, they don't realized that when chasing losses they aren't playing with clear eyes and can get easily pressured to make the wrong bets in whatever games they're playing.

If you're losing just stop playing, and come back another day to continue playing. Gambling shouldn't be over done or you can get easily influenced and it turns into an addiction which could take a very long time to get over.

They say "when the fun stops, stop gambling!" and same advice holds true here. Money isn't everything, so stop acting like it is. Sure, it's fantastic to win big, but if you're not enjoying yourself, what's the point? Gambling is more fun when it's just for fun and not about making quick money. Putting undue stress on oneself to achieve massive success is a surefire way to fall short of your goals. Stop for a moment and think about why you started gambling. And if you're already losing, don't go rushing after your money like a mad dog. What a surefire way to meet with failure! Taking a step back can help you approach the problem with fresh eyes the next time around

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Feeling cheated and if the game seem to be rigged is always being felt when we're losing but don't think of that. It's because losing is part of gambling.

You won't lose if you won't gamble and you'll not feel anything that you're cheated or the game you've played with are rigged. Stay away from luck based games because that's what you're going to feel mostly when you're not winning with your bets.

Aside from staying away from those games, better quit and stop gambling.

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Quote from: cabron on April 20, 2023, 01:32:06 PM

I have the same issue. It gets good in a few hours, I just have to prepare my coffee and back and then lose the next rounds. It's the opposite of what you expect when you get excited. I close my eyes and remember the advice to stop when you're winning.

Your mind always just has the set up that you can't stop when you know you still didn't recover the money from your previous loss. Hard to learn when you have read all the advice and recommendations over and over yet you have not followed the advice.

You really can't predict what will happen and it is just a proof that at anytime you won't stay on the profitable side. Actually in my experience it is just both. Probably, what the OP experienced is just a coincidence the difference I see between probably fair games and live casinos is that the live casino is slow paced than the provably fair games.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

The only explanation is the house edge finally caught you, the longer you play that's the time that the house edge will catch you, it may catch you when you are starting to play, or after you made a profit, so if you're looking to make profit be sure you are not greedy to triple or make your bankroll ten times, once you made a profit and you start to lose don't think twice to withdraw you can always come back for another session

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and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

You can revert to manual betting and take your time if you think that you are losing your bets fast, you can be in control but once you set up the auto bet you have no control and the house edge will eventually catch you,

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Quote from: Weawant on April 22, 2023, 12:10:01 AM

Two mistakes gamblers make, first they don't play as fun but instead they want to make money quickly and they get pressure into making mistakes and they lose that particular bets, it doesn't matter whatever game they're playing. It could be live casino games or others.

Almost 80% of gamblers gamble to make money only 20% will gamble to have fun. This number may increase when you talk about online gambling. In physical gambling, you go out to gamble with friends but online gambling is just done to get some money in the comfort of your home.

Quote from: Weawant on April 22, 2023, 12:10:01 AM

Second, they don't stop when they're losing, instead they chase after their lost and want to make profits to cover up, they don't realized that when chasing losses they aren't playing with clear eyes and can get easily pressured to make the wrong bets in whatever games they're playing.

Revenge gambling or playing more and more in order to recover the loss, will give you more loss than profit. Gambling requires you to have a piece of mind before playing but if you are playing to recover your losses you will make more wrong decisions.

Quote from: Weawant on April 22, 2023, 12:10:01 AM

If you're losing just stop playing, and come back another day to continue playing. Gambling shouldn't be over done or you can get easily influenced and it turns into an addiction which could take a very long time to get over.

This advice has been given many times to quit gambling on both occasions if you are losing or winning. It will help you to stop more losses and in case of the wins, it will help you not to turn your winning amount into a loss.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 20, 2023, 02:22:02 PM

I think you are trying to compare Live casino over provably fair games as against your winning and losing experience and based on your post, it appears as if you are also part of your challenge likewise most gamblers experience. So while gambling in whatever form, you have to understand that you are up against your luck and emotions. By the way gambling is meant to be for fun Grin

don't put all your financial hope on it.

Two mistakes gamblers make, first they don't play as fun but instead they want to make money quickly and they get pressure into making mistakes and they lose that particular bets, it doesn't matter whatever game they're playing. It could be live casino games or others.

Second, they don't stop when they're losing, instead they chase after their lost and want to make profits to cover up, they don't realized that when chasing losses they aren't playing with clear eyes and can get easily pressured to make the wrong bets in whatever games they're playing.

If you're losing just stop playing, and come back another day to continue playing. Gambling shouldn't be over done or you can get easily influenced and it turns into an addiction which could take a very long time to get over.

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When you see green you can also try to rest it out for the whole day. There's only why you are staying, it's your greed to win more. It's a normal kind of emotion and I do that too but if you really want to be a winner on daily basis then discipline will help a lot.
IMO, there's this feeling like the casino is trying to get back whatever profits you made. When the system spots that your graph is going high then it will try to even it, the same goes when you are going deep. I've tested it a lot of times and it does happen.
There's also this event where you try to increase your bet by doing the martingale strategy, you keep on losing in a streak. I think their system can also notice those kinds of changes in your bets. But, when you put it back to your normal bets, it will put you on a winning streak. I don't think it's about luck or anything superstitious.

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Quote from: swogerino on April 21, 2023, 03:24:13 PM

Provably fair games are game of luck,the only thing there is that you know you have not been cheated in a spin for example as we have seen several people winning the max bet win and most casinos keep a sort of "wall of fame" where they keep the top 3 to top 10 biggest win in every slot machine which usually are provably fair ones.

I don't know in live casino games as I never play them,I prefer to play provably fair games like slot machines which are programmed to be making profit to the casino house yes but they are also programmed to give that max payout some times as long as they provide the profit to the house so I hope to be one of those lucky winners.

If people can win the maximum bet and the casino can pay the winning money to the winner, the casino, besides being proven fair, will also get a good reputation because they have sent the winning money when the winner wants to withdraw the winning money. This will only give the casino a good reputation, especially if the casino can send a large amount of winning money to the winners.

For me, slot games are gambling games that are proven fair even though I don't really know the truth. But I don't want to think too much about being proven fair or fraud because gambling is a way to have fun.

Quote from: goaldigger on April 21, 2023, 03:27:33 PM

Probably its not cheating for them as they are more focus on winning over the gamblers, and this has been their system. Live casinos are ok, but it is still not guaranteed your winnings so don’t expect that much. Roulette is a great game to play live, there’s indeed a time where you can think though if you see some irregularities with the site better to raise that concern so they can investigate and assure you about the fairness of the site.

It is a good idea to report any irregularities you experience to the support service so that the casino can address or fix them immediately. But maybe it's just our feelings that think too much about cheating or being proven fair. But if the casino would take our complaints and check them straight away to find out the truth, that would be great for the casino because the casino has taken care of its users.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

For most gamblers a live casino is probably the best chance they have of scoring a decent payout, at least in comparison to more algorithmically calculated systems like slot machines which have computer code that can manipulate play based on prior actions (even those by other players). You should always try to understand the percentage of a house edge that is involved in each game, because it will definitely help to keep you grounded if you are able to play in a more controlled manner.

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If you can't easily control your time gambling and you have the option to play in a brick-and-mortar casino or in an online casino, it is probably best for you to choose the former. At least you cannot stay there for long. For one, it has a closing time. Also, your cash will be drained, you need to go home, you can go hungry, and so on. Whereas in an online casino, you could spend all day and night long in front of your computer or smart phone at home, even while you're eating.

As far as fairness is concerned, in a provably fair casino you can confirm it yourself. In a brick-and-mortar casino that has a license, it is regularly audited for fairness. So, I guess both could be equally fair.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I've experienced that similar pattern as well back when I used to play a lot of casino games, i'd get a few good wins at the start then slowly prepare for the worse since losses mostly come after you win.

Most of the live casino games are round based and one of the good things is that you can always skip so you're not pressured to place a bet on the next round. The rigging in live casinos might be possible but I remember someone mentioned that their machines get inspected regularly.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

While you have a time ? the problem is that do you have the luck? in gambling it is not the time that we are looking but for the luck that will seat together with us, so maybe some of your point is correct but in gambling ?the only thing that you will be assured is being a loser and that is the sad but reality mate.
expect things not to come with your dreams but of mostly differently .

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

Rest assured that every casino player has ever questioned the fairness of the games.
This is a common practice for everyone who gambles regularly... start well and lose everything every time on specific occasions.

The tips I can give you are:

Vary your bets. If you're losing a lot of money on Monday, don't play that day.
Stop playing when you have a big bankroll. Wait a day or two, withdraw and start again with a small balance.
Choose other games. Do not play all your money in a specific game and if possible also use more than one casino.
Believe that everything depends on luck, and luck will always be against you most of the time, the culprit is not the betting sites.

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Quote from: Hispo on April 21, 2023, 05:43:31 PM

You are not supposed to go for "revenge", that is just an euphemism for chasing loses and most of the times we all know how that ends up for anyone.

If you feel that you may be struggling with self-control and it is more difficult for you to keep your budgets while playing probably fair games, I would advice you to stick to live games, since that may help you to have a bit of more time to analyze what you do and what you should do in order to quit or even withdraw some possible money you won.

If it goes too fast, then slow down. Whatever helps you to gamble responsibly it is okey and you are supposed to welcome it. Good luck. Wink

indeed, "revenge" is similar to chasing losses. there's no point on this if you are against with the casino. because of the house edge, you will likely end up losing to what you've got if you don't stop playing. this is the reason why casinos and gambling sites are lucrative business. at the end of the day, they are the winners on this business. if they are not earning, they will surely close down their business. but come to think of it, this business is one of the known profitable businesses in this market. and there's reason for such achieverment.

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Quote from: QueenVera on April 21, 2023, 03:47:10 PM

Truth be told that chasing after losses has never yielded any positive results but mostly end up leading to blowing of one's account, even same is similar with trading as well.
Most times we have to learn when to start and when not to stop and also know that revenge gambling is a very terrible technique that destroys all the effort one must have put into his work to earn profits.

Chasing losses sometimes enable a gambler to recover losses but oftentimes makes a gambler lose more. I do not believe that no one ever recovered from chasing losses. There maybe rare cases but it still makes the statistics not zero so saying that chasing after losses never yielded a positive result is not true.

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Provably fair games are fair and I can understand how you feel to have said that they aren't fair because no one who is making losses in a row will ever believe that the games are fair because they would want to see every reason why the games aren't fair because they already feel cheated.

If anyone wanted to know how provably game works and how it is verified, you check this infographic link to see how provably fair game is processed: https://www.provably.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Provably-Fair-Explained-Infographic.png

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You are not supposed to go for "revenge", that is just an euphemism for chasing loses and most of the times we all know how that ends up for anyone.

If you feel that you may be struggling with self-control and it is more difficult for you to keep your budgets while playing probably fair games, I would advice you to stick to live games, since that may help you to have a bit of more time to analyze what you do and what you should do in order to quit or even withdraw some possible money you won.

If it goes too fast, then slow down. Whatever helps you to gamble responsibly it is okey and you are supposed to welcome it. Good luck. Wink

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Maybe, we are just having a huge winning expectation when we bet on live casinos but we can't actually win over it all the time. Maybe high expectations is our reason for having doubts and disappointments. I agree that if we think that we are being cheated on, we can file a complaint right away.
Live casinos isn't skilled-based games but your winnings will be based on your luck no matter what strategy you may apply so just be sure that you really know what you're doing so you won't end up getting upset.

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Truth be told that chasing after losses has never yielded any positive results but mostly end up leading to blowing of one's account, even same is similar with trading as well.
Most times we have to learn when to start and when not to stop and also know that revenge gambling is a very terrible technique that destroys all the effort one must have put into his work to earn profits.
Provably fair games are fair and I can understand how you feel to have said that they aren't fair because no one who is making losses in a row will ever believe that the games are fair because they would want to see every reason why the games aren't fair because they already feel cheated.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 21, 2023, 03:05:53 PM

No one is telling us to gamble so we should already know that casinos can easily cheat us without us knowing. And if we already know, we should also know what to do and if the casino really cheats on us, we can move to another casino.

Meanwhile, we also know that in gambling, we can get two outcomes: winning and losing. And if we have experienced defeat or victory, we still have two options: winning and losing. So we should have thought about whether we still want to play gambling or we have to stop gambling.

Probably its not cheating for them as they are more focus on winning over the gamblers, and this has been their system. Live casinos are ok, but it is still not guaranteed your winnings so don’t expect that much. Roulette is a great game to play live, there’s indeed a time where you can think though if you see some irregularities with the site better to raise that concern so they can investigate and assure you about the fairness of the site.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 21, 2023, 03:05:53 PM

No one is telling us to gamble so we should already know that casinos can easily cheat us without us knowing. And if we already know, we should also know what to do and if the casino really cheats on us, we can move to another casino.

Meanwhile, we also know that in gambling, we can get two outcomes: winning and losing. And if we have experienced defeat or victory, we still have two options: winning and losing. So we should have thought about whether we still want to play gambling or we have to stop gambling.

Provably fair games are game of luck,the only thing there is that you know you have not been cheated in a spin for example as we have seen several people winning the max bet win and most casinos keep a sort of "wall of fame" where they keep the top 3 to top 10 biggest win in every slot machine which usually are provably fair ones.

I don't know in live casino games as I never play them,I prefer to play provably fair games like slot machines which are programmed to be making profit to the casino house yes but they are also programmed to give that max payout some times as long as they provide the profit to the house so I hope to be one of those lucky winners.

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No one is telling us to gamble so we should already know that casinos can easily cheat us without us knowing. And if we already know, we should also know what to do and if the casino really cheats on us, we can move to another casino.

Meanwhile, we also know that in gambling, we can get two outcomes: winning and losing. And if we have experienced defeat or victory, we still have two options: winning and losing. So we should have thought about whether we still want to play gambling or we have to stop gambling.

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It’s pure based on your own opinion, their are lot of good casino for now. And most of them was based on the crypto currency. The main advantage of crypto based casino is the withdrawal will be delivered in crypto currencies. Even if you had stop the gambling after the big win from the casino, you can do some holding of crypto currency to earn profit without any risk. The gamblers face some loss on one day, he will have good hope to recover their loss in gambling on the next. But this thing was impossible by the traders. Traders can’t assure anything based on the market. But gamblers will earn few profits on all the casino with certain period of time. Traders profit will be minimum or maximum based on the period of time. Gambling people who find huge strategic will gain more money as compared to the normal traders.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

We often say that the gambling industry always has a risk, whether it's a high or low level, that is certain for every user who has started playing money at a particular casino, without realizing the risk of loss has been written without being seen by the user himself, only those who are lucky can overcome the risks and losses when the money is spinning in the bet.

The experience you are experiencing is generally experienced by other users, including myself, I realize that when betting failure continues to haunt me, there is no other way, other than stopping for a moment to bet, whether I have won or lost.

Talking about the game of Roulette, actually it is generally felt the same by other people, but for me instead of the high risk table Roulette, I prefer to bet on running Roulette, with 2x and 14x payment methods with three color choices of yellow Roulette boxes, brown and white, but there is also something even more interesting, namely the type of Roulette weapon, I'm sure it's a pretty fair game, it's just that the guess is right.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

When you talk about rigging, i tell you it happens every where, both on live casino games and provably fair games, and one thing with provably fair games is that not every gambler know how to verify if a game is truly probably fair, and because of this, there are still lots of games out there with the casino saying it's provably fair, but it's reality, it not, and gamblers keep playing this games believing they are playing a provably fair game, without knowing that they are being scammed by the casino.

So know it that rigging happens anyway, both in live casino games and probably fair, what I must encourage all gamblers to do is to learn how to tell if a game is truly provably fair, find a good casino with games that are truly provably fair and play there, there is no way you won't make some good winning any day luck is on your side.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on April 21, 2023, 08:34:01 AM

If you're having reservations about the validity of your gambling, then I suggest you look for a different casino because you'd never stop attributing your losses over the suspicion that they're trying to screw you up, regardless of how reputable the casino you're playing in is. This goes for both live and online gambling. I get why you're having doubts because well, it's a part of the process. Everyone at some point in their gambling journey will be skeptical of the casino's integrity, especially if you've lost substantial amounts of money over games that you have no business losing to.

So yeah, let's cut the middle man and save yourself the trouble, you can't live your gambling life doubting your casino daily. Make the switch.

The fact that we will never know whether a platform is taking advantage of players through manipulation, we are free to move from one another especially if we are feeling uncomfortable. It should not be players to seek or follow gambling platforms; there are numerous to choose from. As mentioned by OP, he noticed that he is not winning on a particular instance and he won't be in such stand if consistency is present. Some would say luck and such which are possible as well but to just make the discussion simple and less energy consuming, just move if you percieve bad things happening on your money or bets.

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One of the major differences is the actual casino the games they are offering are actually played by the banker and can see by a lot of perspective of players and viewers that any kind of change, they can react to easily can be called a problem in a gambling casino through online it's all programmatically by the developers or the third party application they bought to play and getting partnered with them, but in terms of convenience its all favor with the online casino because the player can play in different places whether what device they are currently using. Still physical casino can brings different experience.

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If you're having reservations about the validity of your gambling, then I suggest you look for a different casino because you'd never stop attributing your losses over the suspicion that they're trying to screw you up, regardless of how reputable the casino you're playing in is. This goes for both live and online gambling. I get why you're having doubts because well, it's a part of the process. Everyone at some point in their gambling journey will be skeptical of the casino's integrity, especially if you've lost substantial amounts of money over games that you have no business losing to.

So yeah, let's cut the middle man and save yourself the trouble, you can't live your gambling life doubting your casino daily. Make the switch.

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every gambler must have experienced losing streaks in all types of bets, not just roulette. but that doesn't mean it's a scam or game manipulation.
In fact I myself had my first experience betting on roulette with a budget of $50 to $500-600 and after a few days I lost over $200 the next day I was still losing and a few months later I won another $400.
so the conclusion is pretty easy casino or games from any provider it is one business that is built to make a profit. so the problem of losing streaks or winning streaks is just a condition where you are unlucky and are lucky.

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When you're playing for fun and just want to be entertained you're not going to notice this, but if you're looking for a win, you will notice this, remember this, calculate and be suspicious, if you're looking to win, have an amount in your mind where you want to stop and call it a day, not having this amount in your head will give you a false impression that you are lucky and it's your day and you want to extend it, and then that where the house edge comes in and before you notice it and your winning is gone and you want to stay to recover your winning and you end up recovering your losses.

So it's like this, you think you're lucky, you extend, you lose your winning, then you try to recover your losses then you lose everything then you log out feeling depressed, this is not a fun way to gamble.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on April 20, 2023, 04:38:39 PM

^You can simply ask the casino staff about their provably fair system and I think you can verify it publicly.

What that is mostly matters is to choose a reputable casino and verify it publicly. Then if you are good enough to know about how to test and know fair games, you can test it out yourself, not by asking the casino staff because scammers always know the way around to cheat without telling the truth.

Quote from: tusandii on April 21, 2023, 01:53:24 AM

So that the casino will not manipulate? If there is manipulation, it would be more complex than that. As for me, I bet anytime and I do win or lose. What you will take is what you will take.

We don't know whether the casino is manipulating or not because we only play by watching the livestreaming of the game and all we have to do is place bets that we are sure will give a win.

What I mean is that irrespective of you staking immediately after the last game, or you wait some seconds after, that because you bet on the same thing, that it would still be the same result.

According to the post I replied to, he thought to avoid manipulation, that the game should be staked when about to start the next game, but I do not think that is necessary than playing on a reputable casino site.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

If you cannot moderate your greed and wants to earn more when you already or win this is what's going to happen I have experienced this a hundred times and the only solution for this I discover is to stop and be contented with your winnings, asking for more will most of the times gets you in trouble.

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and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

That's chasing your losses and very risky, we are very impatient trying to recover our losses, thinking that the next roll could be the roll that we're waiting for, this is dangerous thinking, and its a trap, this is the part where you are going to lose everything.

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while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

If you're going for profit and you think live casino can give you that, then why not play on live casinos, but remember that the cause of your losses in provably fair games can also become the cause of your losses in live casinos, you know when you gamble the longer you stay the higher your chances to lose everything.

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Maybe you are just unlucky with the provably fair games, I tried playing both the provably fair and the live casino and with no luck I am bad in both and I am unlucky at the same time but for me I think I'll go with the provably fair games because we all know that it is fair and it there is now way to rigged it and you can actually verify it on your own although the live casino is the same there's no guaranteed that it is fair.

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Quote from: _act_ on April 20, 2023, 07:17:25 AM

Quote from: tusandii on April 20, 2023, 05:34:21 AM

If you can take advantage of the 15-second delay before the ball is spun to do a brief analysis in order to get the right number or color prediction, then luck could be on your side and give you victory.

So that the casino will not manipulate? If there is manipulation, it would be more complex than that. As for me, I bet anytime and I do win or lose. What you will take is what you will take.

We don't know whether the casino is manipulating or not because we only play by watching the livestreaming of the game and all we have to do is place bets that we are sure will give a win.

Winning and losing are bound to exist in gambling so gamble for fun without thinking about losing or winning and when luck comes without you knowing it you can easily get victory despite the manipulation actions carried out by the casino.

What can I take?
Remember in gambling we cannot determine what we will take so everything depends on luck and courage when taking risks. So I don't agree with your last sentence.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

As long as you hold yourself to good security standards and a certain amount of discipline, you will find that neither live casinos nor provably fair online games differ in any way. But then again you should also make sure that you are gambling on a reputable casino which has been around for a long time and has no active scam accusations against it. Furthermore, it should have a valid gambling license.

I think you may have created a bias against online gambling for yourself when you started losing and "revenge gambling" as you called it. Perhaps losing and then losing even more due to bad/rash decisions is the real problem here? Grin

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Quote from: Webetcoins on April 21, 2023, 12:14:30 AM

I'm not sure if live games have any way to verify the bets or check if the games are provably-fair, but playing in a reputation casino platform such as Stake can surely save you from the rigged games in live casinos.

yes, it depends on where they play in a live casino, usually for large casinos of the same class as Stake it can be much fairer than other casinos, after all it is difficult to cheat when playing a live casino, if you play in a small casino, for example a game of roulette, the casino can outsmart the machine, even though it is very difficult or try a game of blackjack where it's impossible for the casino to cheat. but no one knows either, what I know is that the dealer will always win and won't let gamblers win big from it.

Live casinos may play games that are proven fair, but depending on how we can beat the dealer, if there is no cheating, many rich gamblers today should win playing live casinos. The fact is, many gamblers have lost a lot of money from live casino games. is this called fair play, I don't think so but maybe it only applies to small casino sites not to big casinos.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on April 21, 2023, 12:14:30 AM

I'm not sure if live games have any way to verify the bets or check if the games are provably-fair

There’s no way to verify that since the game is LIVE. The only way to verify if their games is probably fair is when you on the studio and watch it carefully or there’s a 3rd party inspector that will check the live game tools to verify each bet if probably fair.

Only those decentralized games and some slot games allows bet verification with their probably fair system. But live casino has no way to do that because all games happening IRL and just being broadcast live. If you can find a way to verify it maybe you can suggest it to the provider.

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but playing in a reputation casino platform such as Stake can surely save you from the rigged games in live casinos.

Live casino on Stake is just same with other casino even with mediocre casino since they are just 3rd party game providers and not developed by Stake exclusively. The only thing that user can guarantee on playing with reputable casino is they can assure that their money is safe and can be withdrawn without any problem. But 3rd party games is just same with different casino. If evolution gaming is rigged then Stake evolution gaming is rigged too because Stake is not the one producing the live games.

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Bro, I concur. This alleged fair system seems to work against us. Why is the line green when we start betting and red when we lose? We're fooled by the world! Don't suggest a gambling run to get even. We're trapped. We lose, so we double down to make up for it. Like recurring nightmares. However, the tale may be altered. We should slow down and review our betting game. Maybe we should develop and follow our own rules. We may need to pause, restart, and return with a fresh perspective. We may need a security system

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There is no rigging if the casino has a provably-fair system intact, and the system is for you to use, so just go ahead and check your bets using the system to know if your bet was lost by cheating or it was just a general loss that occurs most of the times due to house edge and usually without it, in a game which has chances of you either winning or losing, you will surely lose at times, and you lose more when the bet is hit by the house edge factor.

I'm not sure if live games have any way to verify the bets or check if the games are provably-fair, but playing in a reputation casino platform such as Stake can surely save you from the rigged games in live casinos.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

If you are losing in that particular game then you have to change the method, skills and the approach you are using in the game that is making you to lose in that tremendous way. From you explanation, you said the spin and a pausing period of 5second, which can be used to rest or go away with first win. That is a good idea. Why did you do that if you know that you are frequently losing the fair game?

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Quote from: TimeTeller on April 20, 2023, 04:19:32 PM

Usually, it is all in our minds what's gonna happen. But the provably fair will still be there, no matter there is a gap between the game or not.
If the casino is practicing the provable fairness, it doesn't matter if it is live or not.

But live games is not provably fair because players can't verify the fairness of live casino. They are not given any hash to verify the result and most of the Casino games are human-operated. I do agree that if the casino practice honesty then there is no problem but many casinos are not that honest. They will take advantage of the possibility to get an advantage against their players in order to rake in profit.

Quote from: coolcoinz on April 20, 2023, 02:24:39 PM

I know this feeling, OP, when you're so used to clicking that roll button that when it goes red and you start losing you keep clicking anyway until you run out of money. Or you set it to auto betting and watch it go win -lose win- lose win win lose lose and it keeps staying at a level and then suddenly crashes and you get 10 loses in a row and you're out. I don't know what to tell you, maybe play slower-paced games like poker or blackjack where you have some more time to think than in roulette or dice.

I do know the feeling too, and we can remove it from the person's thought. We all wanted the next roll or spin to be profitable so we keep on thinking that maybe the next spin will be a good one eventhough we know the fact that the result is really chance-based.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.
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^You can simply ask the casino staff about their provably fair system and I think you can verify it publicly.
I never think of winning big once I am gambling, because gambling should be done for entertainment purposes only, and never with the expectation of winning big. I may suggest choosing always a reputable casino if you have doubt about their system because a reputable casino runs their business legitimately, remember that the gambling industry is a business nothing more.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

The randomness of the result in the casino games made us think that the next spin will probably give us profit. This is the reason why many gamblers keep chasing profit or chasing losses because of the fallacy that the next one will be the one to give them a good win, which we all know that do not happen.

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I do not think that live casino makes a difference. The same random result apply on live casino except if the game is rigged. So I do not believe that there is a difference in decision in playing provably fair game and live game in one person's decision. If a person have the fallacy, that fallacy will apply to all the game he played.

Usually, it is all in our minds what's gonna happen. But the provably fair will still be there, no matter there is a gap between the game or not.
If the casino is practicing the provable fairness, it doesn't matter if it is live or not.
If you have hesitations, then, don't play. No one is obliging you to play to a casino you are in doubt of.
It is your own prerogative to play on these sites, so it is on you how you will evaluate the site in terms of fairness with respect to their games.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

The randomness of the result in the casino games made us think that the next spin will probably give us profit. This is the reason why many gamblers keep chasing profit or chasing losses because of the fallacy that the next one will be the one to give them a good win, which we all know that do not happen.

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I do not think that live casino makes a difference. The same random result apply on live casino except if the game is rigged. So I do not believe that there is a difference in decision in playing provably fair game and live game in one person's decision. If a person have the fallacy, that fallacy will apply to all the game he played.

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Roulette you said?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62117652
Didn't you just try to tell us that there are some game providers who try to scam us in live casino games and you yourself put roulette's example?
And now you think that you've got 15 seconds to figure out what to do?
You know, we as gamblers are very much impatient and we believe that this time, it's ours so we must place enough bets on enough numbers and see what happens. And such impatient behavior makes us lose because that's why the dealers keep the duration low like 15 seconds only so not to give you enough time to "think before betting". And about provably fair games, I've played some original games like dice, crash, minesweeper, etc. and TBH, I've won more there compared to live casino games. However, we get attracted towards live casinos just because we get bored watching the same graphics again and again in the provably fair games and so, we go to live casino to see those beautiful women dealing cards (blackjack) and throwing balls near the rolling numbers (roulette) because come on, we do it for fun and that's a nice distraction we men are fond of. Cheesy

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I know this feeling, OP, when you're so used to clicking that roll button that when it goes red and you start losing you keep clicking anyway until you run out of money. Or you set it to auto betting and watch it go win -lose win- lose win win lose lose and it keeps staying at a level and then suddenly crashes and you get 10 loses in a row and you're out. I don't know what to tell you, maybe play slower-paced games like poker or blackjack where you have some more time to think than in roulette or dice.

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I think you are trying to compare Live casino over provably fair games as against your winning and losing experience and based on your post, it appears as if you are also part of your challenge likewise most gamblers experience. So while gambling in whatever form, you have to understand that you are up against your luck and emotions. By the way gambling is meant to be for fun Grin

don't put all your financial hope on it. From your experience on your post, you are not forced to click on your mouse to play again and again on the provably fair but you wanted to chase your loses and that has been the debacle of gamblers. So learn to walk away sometimes whether you are winning or not, that will give you sometime to think whether playing in roulette, it is same thing. Some days are lucky days while somedays turn out to be very bad days.

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Live-casino is for people who are doubt provably-fair from machine betting.

Even there has some provably-fair or the game are being live, you always thinking are getting cheated at the time you are streak lose. Then, you feel beating the casino while you're on streak win. It's common sense.

However, no matter what games (Original game or live games). All betting are being designed for them to win, with house edge on the long term.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

Live casinos offers you a lot of betting options unlike provably fair games such as most of slots. That sudden high increase of bet is dangerous. I would not recommend that to anyone unless (s)he still has enough balance for possible recovery once you lose that wager. Just a back up fund.

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Quote from: cabron on April 20, 2023, 01:32:06 PM

I have the same issue. It gets good in a few hours, I just have to prepare my coffee and back and then lose the next rounds. It's the opposite of what you expect when you get excited. I close my eyes and remember the advice to stop when you're winning.

Your mind always just has the set up that you can't stop when you know you still didn't recover the money from your previous loss. Hard to learn when you have read all the advice and recommendations over and over yet you have not followed the advice.

It is very difficult to do it, I have experienced it too, when one gets closer to having a great profit and the first loss begins is when we must stop, but it is not like that, we insist because we always want more, I don't know if it is a good or bad thing As humans, we always look for the best, but in games you have to use reason more than let yourself be carried away by emotions, and that is something that translates into losing money and it is not pleasant. The best thing is to control yourself and see how you can do so as not to lose, and the solution is to withdraw when you have a profit, even if it is little.

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I have the same issue. It gets good in a few hours, I just have to prepare my coffee and back and then lose the next rounds. It's the opposite of what you expect when you get excited. I close my eyes and remember the advice to stop when you're winning.

Your mind always just has the set up that you can't stop when you know you still didn't recover the money from your previous loss. Hard to learn when you have read all the advice and recommendations over and over yet you have not followed the advice.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

well the question here is how many people deposit money into the casino and play and then come out with a profit and play again and come back out with a profit to the point where they are constantly making profits? because from what I see, everyone knows that in gambling the purpose is to lose money and just look at it as fun, it is not profitable either in the short term or in the long term to play in casinos, we play with the only objective: to have fun. by that I mean that what happens to you is something that happens to everyone, when you put money in the casino it's always good to keep in mind that it's money lost and you should never chase losses in games of chance, that's a very wrong mistake. serious that leads to addiction

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

my question for you: when you play at the live casino do you have good results often? and when I talk about good results I often mean making a deposit and playing and leaving with a profit constantly, because in my opinion the moment you put money in the casino we have to look at that money as lost, because in the end we will lose the money, the casino is not a place to make profits, it's a place for people to play for fun only

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I honestly don't think there's THAT much of a difference, it's just you being taken in by greed in the first scenario imo, regardless of whether there was "time" given to you or not. In those cases where I do feel like I'm being impulsive, I tend to throw (and yes I've replaced my mouse quite a few times now) my mouse the hell away from me, just to make me go over and pick it up. More than enough time to think through whether to continue or not. Ofc it depends from person to person, but it's up to you yourself really to set it up in the first place.

Now to compare, I'd probably still go for provably fair. I'm just more used to it, and I don't think I've had that "unfair" experience, whatever it is that others actually do experience.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 20, 2023, 05:34:21 AM

If you can take advantage of the 15-second delay before the ball is spun to do a brief analysis in order to get the right number or color prediction, then luck could be on your side and give you victory.

So that the casino will not manipulate? If there is manipulation, it would be more complex than that. As for me, I bet anytime and I do win or lose. What you will take is what you will take.

Quote from: ufaiz50 on April 20, 2023, 05:43:18 AM

I think we are the same, I realized sometimes when I play provably fair games I lose more rather than the live casino. But what I don't like about the live casino is that they have a minimum bet and sometimes it is really high but there are some gambling providers that keeps the minimum to very low and that's what i like to play with.

Did you mean the minimum amount of money that you can use to bet on roulette? I have been using as low as $0.1 on casinos to bet games like Roulettes and this makes it fun because you can use very low amount of money at every round you want to bet. Where I know the minimum amount can be $1 or more for minimum bet are sport betting.

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I think we are the same, I realized sometimes when I play provably fair games I lose more rather than the live casino. But what I don't like about the live casino is that they have a minimum bet and sometimes it is really high but there are some gambling providers that keeps the minimum to very low and that's what i like to play with.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

If you can take advantage of the 15-second delay before the ball is spun to do a brief analysis in order to get the right number or color prediction, then luck could be on your side and give you victory.
Regarding whether you are being tricked or not, it all depends on your assumptions and when you lose more often, you will definitely be sure to think that the dealer has been deceived and vice versa, if you get a win, the assumption of fair play will also come to your mind.
Whether the game is fair or not, as long as you can take advantage of it every time and can play well, you can feel comfortable without having to think about fairness or cheating.

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Live casino or not it all depends on how the casino works, but we need to know casinos are not going to give their gamblers a lot of money, so whether it's live gambling or not there must be something to play, but I'm not going to accuse it of being speculation and unbeknownst to me , after all, I have never played roulette directly, because of course our eyes watch whether they will play unfairly or not.

I have never tried playing direct gambling, there is also a live blackjack game, but I'm not sure I can win money from live gambling, because I believe that winning is not only talking about money and profits but managing to control myself in playing, for example when you lose when gambling should not continue the game because it will continue to make you lose so stop and play tomorrow , the more you can control yourself it will help you prevent from losing a lot of money , I can not say live gambling is a game of fair chance because I never try playing there.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I don't think live casino is rigged especially if it comes from a reputable source. you said that there is a 15 sec gap every spin but have you forgot that the provably fair roulette won't star if you don't click "roll" it means you have more than 15 seconds to think or size your bets but maybe what you are thinking is the autobet? I think there's a gambling site that is provably fair and also there's a gap in every spins.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

Posting this thread and asking this question makes it ironic due to this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62117652 same thread of yours that exposes cheat on live roulette. I don't know what you are trying to achieve by making 2 contradictory threads but the answer to your question lies in your trust towards the game provider that you are using. It's like the Schrödinger cat experiment. Both possibilities exist until you experienced first hand whether the casino is rigged or not. More importantly is your having fun with your gambling experience rather than worrying if the casino games are rigged or not because we don't have enough choice since the casino uses the same provider for all of their games.

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There is one big lesson to learn while gambling, whenever you lose money do not try to get it back, doing so will leave you with 0 balance and you will walk away with nothing, when you win be bold enough to can it a quit, leave for the day and try your luck another day. Also, know when to stop if all you getting that day is losses, yea, as a gambler you need to have your daily gambling limit, and if you lost the limit, take your leave.

Setting rules for yourself is discipline, and this will reduce the risk of even losing more money.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

When I was addicted, this did happened to me. I play daily and I did noticed I was winning in the morning, but later lose the money at evening or night. Also the week can be good, but the weekend will go bad.

If you have such issue, why not just win little and stop gambling for that day? It is better that way.

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

We have to be disciplined while gambling for us to not lose control. If you lose, you should stop gambling that day. If you lose too much, you should just stop gambling for that week or more, but best not to go beyond the budget which should be small amount of money and in a way you can lose it and not thinking about it because you can afford to lose such amount.

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I do not know how rigging can be done with roulette because people are selecting different odd types. If rigging is possible, you should know through your winning or loss. If you play like 3 to 5 times, you should have won at least once, and as you continue to play, you should feel that the casino are manipulating or not. But I do not think a trustworthy casino can do that because even as they do everything fairly, punters still lose than win overall, only the experienced gamblers win than lose, and they are the type that do not gamble much.

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I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

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