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mdayonliner

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 15, 2020, 06:56:41 AM

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For what it's worth: I haven't had much result with local rules either. Self-moderation works much better.
I've also noticed posts in Meta are much less likely to be removed by Mods than posts on most other boards.

You have to consider the long gap I had in the forum. There are a lot of things which are already gone from my mind. And this local rules enforcement policy especially on Meta was not known to me from the begging I believe.

I think I am one of the user who love self moderated thread to keep the thread clean. You and some others too.

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Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55834373
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off-topic response, This has nothing to do what the question asked in the main topic about local rules policy. Poster made a post with some BS suggestion that suits her.

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Dear mdayonliner,

it's really easy to stop me from responding to your threads - don't create new threads in Meta because you have nothing new to say. You created a couple of whiny-ass threads about Ratimov's issue (with massive tangents too), even though multiple threads already existed on the topic. You created another one on a subject that was discussed at least twice before. Now you creating a new one to complain about your own locked thread. Just give it up. Meta is no longer the merit-anything-that-moves place that you remember from your previous life.

Not to mention a new thread in Reputation to announce your return when you could have posted in your own departure thread.

Basically every thread since your return was useless and a waste of time for everyone involved. Lax forum rules work to your advantage here since your merit-begging trash isn't getting deleted so all I can do is critique you. Now if mods disagree and start deleting my posts... I don't think you'll find me crying in Meta about it.

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Quote from: mdayonliner on December 15, 2020, 05:37:26 AM

in the unofficial rules book there were no such exclusion for a board so how a user suppose to know that Meta is excluded.

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For what it's worth: I haven't had much result with local rules either. Self-moderation works much better.
I've also noticed posts in Meta are much less likely to be removed by Mods than posts on most other boards.

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I believe it's more than just enforcing a local rule in this board but rather its proper usage in general:

Quote from: theymos on April 21, 2019, 11:37:39 PM

Local rules are enforced entirely at the discretion of the relevant moderators. It's intended to be for stuff like "you must post a picture", "you must make a price prediction", "do not go on tangents about services other than ", etc. Not really "these people are banned: ...". (Though I have been thinking about adding a function to ban specific users from your selfmod threads.)

theymos's response to a similar issue ^{[to an extent]}:

Quote from: theymos on June 14, 2019, 08:15:06 PM

Local rules should typically not be enforced for these.

I think that I might make it so that new support cannot be added if the topic becomes locked or deleted, though currently this isn't the case.

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Quote from: mdayonliner on December 15, 2020, 05:37:26 AM

Happy with the response. Thanks however in the unofficial rules book there were no such exclusion for a board so how a user suppose to know that Meta is excluded.

The rule says something about "...not conflicting with forum rules...",This could broadly include meta exemption.

As per description; meta board is for forum discussions (reporting malwares, appeals, suggestions etc) and as such it is counterproductive to exempt certain users from that discussion as it goes against free speech. So a local rule to censor a particular user in meta or other boards where self mod is disabled by default, like scam accusation, auction etc, would likey not be effected by the mods, as those boards usually require general contribution and for some like scam accusation, specific responses from the accused user.

However, regardless of the situation, I do not support the idea of banning specific users from replying to a thread, self moderated or not. This is usually done when;
• The user in question is constantly trolling the OP, or
• The OP is trying to troll the user.

For the first instance, it could be helpful to avoid multiple reports to the mods (although a troll can sometimes be very on topic and still censored). But in the second instance it could be abused by the said user, especially if the thread is somewhat about them.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on December 15, 2020, 05:21:35 AM

There's a reason why you can't self-mod in meta and hence why local rules also don't apply here. Reports in Meta to censor people based on their own rules will either be ignored or marked bad.

Happy with the response. Thanks however in the unofficial rules book there were no such exclusion for a board so how a user suppose to know that Meta is excluded.

Quote from: Steamtyme on December 15, 2020, 05:24:47 AM

It's not explicitly stated, but I never see a rule excluding a specific user from posting in a tread on meta being enforced. The main reason being that meta is the public discussion board for forum issues, probably the same reason that you can't self moderate on meta I guess.

much to be done apart from ignoring and moving on then.

Maybe it has been discussed before and my gap is the reason either I forgot or when it was discussed I was missing on the forum. The user is already on my ignore list.

I will lock the topic in the next 24-48 hours, if anyone wants to have a discussion about having it specified that the meta board is excluded from local rule enforcement and it needs to be updated in the unofficial rules then feel free to continue.

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I find your lack of faith in Bitcoin disturbing.

There may be another reason (which is only my opinion) : mods don't want to be used for your (*) endless childish fights.

(*) : I'm talking in general, not specifically you.

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It's not explicitly stated, but I never see a rule excluding a specific user from posting in a tread on meta being enforced. The main reason being that meta is the public discussion board for forum issues, probably the same reason that you can't self moderate on meta I guess.

much to be done apart from ignoring and moving on then.

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Quote from: mdayonliner on December 15, 2020, 05:12:21 AM

Quote from: Steamtyme on December 15, 2020, 05:09:44 AM

In the future just make your threads self moderated, and do the job yourself. That way you don't have to worry about it.

Only in the meta section you can not create a self moderated thread. So I had to have my rules highlighted or I would had a self-moderated thread.

There's a reason why you can't self-mod in meta and hence why local rules also don't apply here. Reports in Meta to censor people based on their own rules will either be ignored or marked bad.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on December 15, 2020, 05:09:44 AM

In the future just make your threads self moderated, and do the job yourself. That way you don't have to worry about it.

Only in the meta section you can not create a self moderated thread. So I had to have my rules highlighted or I would had a self-moderated thread. Since there are no scope for creating self-moderated thread then a report of breaking local rule from the topic creator should be handled and removed.

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I don't think they enforce local rules that simply state X user can't post here. They are a funny rule every time I see it.

In the future just make your threads self moderated, and do the job yourself. That way you don't have to worry about it. There is no fear really of being accused of hiding anything as there is now a counter at the top of self mod threads showing how many replies have been deleted, and LoyceV scrapes the forum data for unedited posts.

Self-mod rules are more for no price chat or to keep a narrow focus on a certain topic for discussion.

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My bad, I see it has been handled but as bad Shocked

The questions on my first post still stands and in addition please explain how it's bad when I had my own local rules?

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Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

26. Local thread rules, if stated properly when the thread was started, specific enough and don't conflict with the forum rules, have to be followed.

I had a topic yesterday and I had strict local rule that was stated on my first post that user "No suchmoon response, it will be reported.". They made a post, I reported with a clear comment but no action has been taken.

Is mod still working on the pile of reports they received and my report is on the queue? or
Are there user-wise some special consideration, before removing a reported post? or
Did I not stated properly when I started the thread? or
Did it conflict with forum rules? or
Am I not eligible to have own local rules? or
Rules are there and some people disrespect it just because they can?

Please help me to understand local rules enforcement policy and what term I broke that my report has not handled yet?

Local rules: No suchmoon response again, it will be reported to be deleted.

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