Lol. Trump "makes" his first bitcoin transaction.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Yeah the entire Trump and Bitcoin thing is a joke. Only extremist clowns who already support the traitorous criminal fall for this BS.

He's just buying votes by saying whatever lies he thinks will help him get elected (god forbid!). He's "pro-bitcoin" and "pro-crypto" but doesn't know the first thing about it, has never touched bitcoin or crypto himself since the only cryptocurrencies he "owns" are campaign donations from gullible suckers giving this grifter their hard earned money, and he can't even use an app to scan a QR code and instead needs other people to make the bitcoin purchase for him.

The whole thing is one big obvious publicity stunt to get more gullible uneducated people to vote a traitor into the white house so he can avoid going to prison the rest of his rotten life.

Vote Harris, keep America safe and strong and ensure we don't get a wrecked economy and corrupted nation under Trump that would harm Bitcoin!

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Quote from: Catenaccio on September 26, 2024, 06:42:25 AM

Quote from: Iranus on September 26, 2024, 06:14:35 AM

Instead of thinking that when we vote for someone it means we trust them, why not think that we and politicians are exchanging benefits for each other? I think even Americans don't care about voting if they don't get any benefits. What Americans care about is what they will get in return and what their quality of life will be like if someone is elected and that is why they go to the polls.

Sometimes you will choose the best between two good nominees but sometimes you will pick the better between to bad nominees. I read that some people say they will vote for Trump even they don't like him but they have to big reasons for doing this.

They like policies promised to be executed by Trump as a President.
They don't like to give the White House to Kamala Harris and Democrat Party for another four years.

As I said, this is a trade-off between us and the politicians, no one likes or idolizes anyone here. I believe that everyone, even 3-year-old children, understands the nature of politicians. No one is stupid enough to spend time and money to support someone without expecting any benefits in return.

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Likewise, whether Trump or Harris wins will have different impacts on bitcoin, which is why people support who they think will be good for bitcoin. Because the future of bitcoin is also their future, people care about bitcoin, not idolizing any politician.

I really don't think so. Bitcoin will continue its blockchain operations and its adoption growth and one President in the USA with a term of 4 years, won't be able to boost bitcoin too much or to kill it. It's impossible for one US President to do this in only four years.

If you think 4 years is too short a time and the president can't change anything for our economy or crypto industry, then you voted for the wrong person and he is a failed president.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 19, 2024, 01:02:12 AM

Trump didn't make any transaction with Bitcoin from the video I watched on FOX news. In fact he didn't look interested in it. He looked more interested in speaking to the "people at the other side" like he said after the dude in a face cap triumphantly announced that Trump was the first presidential candidate to make such transaction thereby making history. For the record I am indifferent to whoever wins. I'll leave that for the Americans to decide. Right now smart electorates will look at the policies of the presidential aspirants and make cast their votes on whichever one they feel appeals more to them.

I think the guy is representing Donald Trump to make the transaction, and it is quite obvious that he is really interested in bitcoin. Anyway, this might be a good move to attract crypto users to support him. Well, at least it is a progress that people like him using bitcoin might influence other big people.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 26, 2024, 06:14:35 AM

Instead of thinking that when we vote for someone it means we trust them, why not think that we and politicians are exchanging benefits for each other? I think even Americans don't care about voting if they don't get any benefits. What Americans care about is what they will get in return and what their quality of life will be like if someone is elected and that is why they go to the polls.

Sometimes you will choose the best between two good nominees but sometimes you will pick the better between to bad nominees. I read that some people say they will vote for Trump even they don't like him but they have to big reasons for doing this.

They like policies promised to be executed by Trump as a President.
They don't like to give the White House to Kamala Harris and Democrat Party for another four years.

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Likewise, whether Trump or Harris wins will have different impacts on bitcoin, which is why people support who they think will be good for bitcoin. Because the future of bitcoin is also their future, people care about bitcoin, not idolizing any politician.

I really don't think so. Bitcoin will continue its blockchain operations and its adoption growth and one President in the USA with a term of 4 years, won't be able to boost bitcoin too much or to kill it. It's impossible for one US President to do this in only four years.

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Quote from: knowngunman on September 26, 2024, 04:47:34 AM

Likewise, I'm not from America and I'm not interested in their politics but this is just a cheap attempt to solicit for votes using bitcoin as a bait. Trusting any action of a politician during campaign is as good as trusting an enemy with a gun behind you who promises not to sh**t you.

Instead of thinking that when we vote for someone it means we trust them, why not think that we and politicians are exchanging benefits for each other? I think even Americans don't care about voting if they don't get any benefits. What Americans care about is what they will get in return and what their quality of life will be like if someone is elected and that is why they go to the polls.

Likewise, whether Trump or Harris wins will have different impacts on bitcoin, which is why people support who they think will be good for bitcoin. Because the future of bitcoin is also their future, people care about bitcoin, not idolizing any politician.

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I think this is 50 - 50 bad and good. It is a bad look that his assistant did the Transaction for Trump. It will now sound dubious every time Trump praises Bitcoin as if he knows any thing about it. He may know a thing or two, but if he does not know the basics then how is he supposed to bring the best Regulations out there.

On the other side it it an amazing moment for Bitcoin if I am being honest. From the first Pizza bought through Bitcoin, we are now at the point where we have the first public Transaction initiated by the (assistant of the) President of the United States. No matter how bad it looks that it is not Trump doing it, it is impossible to not see this as an achievement for Bitcoin. Even if it was the worst President of all time, this is still insane for Bitcoin itself.

But maybe we are too harsh on the situation. Trump is a Billionaire after all. He likely has assistants hired to do all sorts of things just because he can. I guess there are people who carry his stuff too or do things Trump can as well, it does not mean he is incompetent but rather too comfortable with his Money and financial situation.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 19, 2024, 04:59:35 AM

Trump actually paid for the hamburger with bitcoin. But what I noticed in the video is that he did not really know how to make the transaction but get help to make the transaction.

This is the videos: https://youtube.com/shorts/KgVmMrUvOYA?si=Jm9SYOPG6taDXa0S

Also I do not care about who wins, American vote will decide who wins.

The video you shared is still the same with the one contain in Op post and nothing changed. I expected to see a transaction hash thou.

Likewise, I'm not from America and I'm not interested in their politics but this is just a cheap attempt to solicit for votes using bitcoin as a bait. Trusting any action of a politician during campaign is as good as trusting an enemy with a gun behind you who promises not to sh**t you.

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Quote from: dificanovi on September 24, 2024, 02:25:27 PM

With this we can see that Trump seems to support Bitcoin. I believe this is one of the tricks to gain sympathy from Bitcoin users or Altcoin holders to elect him as president. Hopefully Trump will legalize Bitcoin in the US after he has officially become president.

How can you be sure of that? It's election time and for sure even if you are not in the US, you should know by now that Trump and his political party are using Bitcoin to their advantage, they even add it up to their agenda.

I do not think that he will legalized Bitcoin in the US, we really even don't know if he will true to his words that he will make American great again with Bitcoin. So just stop and see how it goes if he become the next President. And before we forget, Bitcoin is designed to be free from any government control, so regardless of who is going to win, Bitcoin ecosystem with thrived.

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With this we can see that Trump seems to support Bitcoin. I believe this is one of the tricks to gain sympathy from Bitcoin users or Altcoin holders to elect him as president. Hopefully Trump will legalize Bitcoin in the US after he has officially become president.

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It feels more like a PR move than a genuine dive into crypto. But if he continues he has my support.

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Quote from: Akbarkoe on September 22, 2024, 05:26:01 PM

It seems that Trump has no other land to increase the strength of his voice, he continues to provoke and show that he supports bitcoin, with this style of campaign I think it's not good to hear, even though it's a good thing because it becomes a topic of conversation and bitcoin is increasingly recognized, but I will be upset if Bitcoin is only used by Trump for his political interests, it's disgusting. Angry

I don't mind it unless he has and keeps the exact same point of view about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies after he wins the election. Yeah if he wins Lips sealed

How many times we have seen political leaders change their point of view once they are in the power Sad

Rest it is quite understandable that a political leader leveraging a technology like Bitcoin primarily for personal gain or political purposes. Since the majority of the people are enthusiastic about the bitcoin, they will love each and every word of bitcoin from the mouth of the presidential candidate and do not think otherwise.

However, do you think the crypto community could better respond to this?

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It seems that Trump has no other land to increase the strength of his voice, he continues to provoke and show that he supports bitcoin, with this style of campaign I think it's not good to hear, even though it's a good thing because it becomes a topic of conversation and bitcoin is increasingly recognized, but I will be upset if Bitcoin is only used by Trump for his political interests, it's disgusting. Angry

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Quote from: Kelward on September 22, 2024, 03:03:20 AM

If Trump, wins the US presidential election, he won't deny that he didn't identify with Bitcoin, even if he chooses not to be Bitcoin friendly. He understands that Bitcoin is a strong force to reckon with if he wants to get votes of bitcoiners so it's not surprising that he'll make a public show of spending it. It's sad that we can't trust politicians, their promises and body language before the election is to get more votes and win. I'm not worried about the future of Bitcoin because despite the skepticism and lack of support from some notable individuals and presidents it's adoption is still increasing.

There is nothing to be sad about. Politicians are politicians and they all have everything in common, understand how to lie and deceit followers and this trait is the same all over the world. You see what Trump is doing right now, he just happened to be popular about it, any other candidates could even do worse but you know he is a lousy candidates that first got the crypto community that's why he is so controversial and that's how he planned it from the beginning.

Seems many of us forgot quickly how Trump said he was going to make CBDC disappear from the surface of the earth, how he was going g to sack the present SEC chairman if elected and that's because he think dollar is not given the appropriate attention. As someone who is ready to serve and get offended to defend the dollar is a red flag for supporting Bitcoin because he didn't understand what Bitcoin is about in the first place, he is just trying all ways to get his office and that's obvious to everyone.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on September 22, 2024, 12:26:39 PM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 22, 2024, 10:52:19 AM

But my logic is missing something: who could receive the resumés and "hire" the best ones? wouldn't that get easily corrupted, especially since it's a single failure point?

It most certainly would.

I was of the opinion that democracy is the least worst regime, or the best we have for now, as you say, but I recently figured out that it might not be. There's a case to be made that maybe monarchy mixed with constitution would be better. My rationale is that, if there's a king, then he'll most certainly steal from the people, just as in ancient civilizations. However, king's royal family will remain in power for decades, if not for hundreds of years. This means that, his stealing will be moderated. For example, he won't completely rip off all the citizens, because the future and prosperity of his people will directly influence the future of his family. On the other hand, when a politician knows that he might not be elected in four years, he'll steal as much as possible for as long as he's in power.

This is an important difference in time preference of the nation. In a modern democracy, politicians often make decisions which impact the lives of not-even-yet born people, like by borrowing money. They are incentivized to be more reckless with the future generation. In contrast, a king is likely to consider the long-term consequences more carefully, as his family's future and the throne itself could be at risk.

Just food for thought.

It's more complicated than that.

A king would steal for his family and for his extended family, and, depending on the king, not on how long the dynasty was ruling, will matter in how much he will steal (some are greedier than others).
On the same way some politicians steal more, some steal less.

Some kings were smart and thoughtful and helped society advance, some not (royal blood doesn't necessarily means one is inclined to learn and meant to rule).
Same goes for politicians: some try to even do good, some others are there only for stealing.

Some politicians get to stay longer, some are changed faster.
Some kings and dynasties lasted longer, some not. Keep in mind that kings got killed a lot only for succession. Keep in mind that royal families can end up with no children or only girls, shifting the dynasty into a different family's hands.

And keep in mind that modern royalty is only a façade and in many cases it's a democratic government actually governing, getting us back to our "beloved" democracy.

This being said, imho you are only partly right and a king is not necessarily better than a democracy, especially as a king doesn't accept other institution say "nope, you cannot do that, tough luck" (and this earns one point to the democracy).

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Politicians will do anything to get votes, but there is always a limit. In Trump's case, he wants to win over those people who want less government intervention in their lives. So he is looking at Bitcoin as a good example of how people can live with less government intervention. But he will need to win the elections first and then face the senators to approve some good law about Bitcoin. But he is avoiding debates, he has been pro-Putin and has sometimes gotten involved in controversies. Before, it was certain that he would win, but now there is uncertainty. I don't see him lying about supporting Bitcoin. When I looked at this thread, I remembered that I saw on CNN in Portuguese criticism about the cryptocurrency business he is doing, I looked for the CNN article in English

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/16/politics/trump-cryptocurrency-business/index.html

Trump is a very good guy in business and he is making money in this cryptocurrency market from what I can understand. I don't know to what extent the article is correct or not.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 22, 2024, 10:52:19 AM

But my logic is missing something: who could receive the resumés and "hire" the best ones? wouldn't that get easily corrupted, especially since it's a single failure point?

It most certainly would.

I was of the opinion that democracy is the least worst regime, or the best we have for now, as you say, but I recently figured out that it might not be. There's a case to be made that maybe monarchy mixed with constitution would be better. My rationale is that, if there's a king, then he'll most certainly steal from the people, just as in ancient civilizations. However, king's royal family will remain in power for decades, if not for hundreds of years. This means that, his stealing will be moderated. For example, he won't completely rip off all the citizens, because the future and prosperity of his people will directly influence the future of his family. On the other hand, when a politician knows that he might not be elected in four years, he'll steal as much as possible for as long as he's in power.

This is an important difference in time preference of the nation. In a modern democracy, politicians often make decisions which impact the lives of not-even-yet born people, like by borrowing money. They are incentivized to be more reckless with the future generation. In contrast, a king is likely to consider the long-term consequences more carefully, as his family's future and the throne itself could be at risk.

Just food for thought.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on September 22, 2024, 01:59:22 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 22, 2024, 01:18:42 AM

It's not dictatorship. It's, sadly, one of the major flaws of democracy.

For ancient Greece which is where democracy was set in stone, isonomia was a prerequisite. There cannot be a democracy in today's crony capitalism, because first of all, politicians have asylums to protect themselves from when breaking the law, and a few businesses have advantages with the corrupt government, which means, there is no isonomy.

Many things have changed since democracy was considered to be the best political regime. I can't say the same thing today. Democracy needs to hardfork.

I completely agree. Democracy seems to be the best we have for now, but with so many smart people around I would like to see them involved into building something better.

Some hardfork is a possibility indeed. I was thinking to something like politicians should get the job by competences, not by spreading lies and getting elected by the overly optimistic plebs and the ones getting direct benefits. But my logic is missing something: who could receive the resumés and "hire" the best ones? wouldn't that get easily corrupted, especially since it's a single failure point?

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Politicians are movie actors. They take any acting role to get the support they need. Trump was criticised for not owning or using the currency he is promoting. Maybe this was why he had to do a public display of his first use of Bitcoin.

This is what I also think. They can do anything they want to get sympathy and support from the audience. Even they will do something that they deny before just to get benefit from what they do. The audience should be smart to act and can know what they should choose. If Trump want to get support, he needs to do a lot because making a first transaction in Bitcoin doesn't mean audience will really know what Trump did. Maybe that can affect to the market but we don't know for sure. But thanks to Trump because he know the "name" of Bitcoin because of that Grin

For me I like what trump is doing whether his intentions towards bitcoin is pure or not. If truly he is not a fan of bitcoin but claiming to be right now, even if he wins the presidential sit I don't think he will go against cryptocurrency, maybe to come up with bad policies that may affect the regulation of bitcoin. No matter what Donald trump may have about bitcoin, but the truth of the matter is that history has it there was a time when trump was a fan of bitcoin and I don't care if it is genuine or not. With what he is doing to with bitcoin trying to gain support from the crypto community I doubt if he will go against bitcoin in the future if he becomes president again.

If Trump, wins the US presidential election, he won't deny that he didn't identify with Bitcoin, even if he chooses not to be Bitcoin friendly. He understands that Bitcoin is a strong force to reckon with if he wants to get votes of bitcoiners so it's not surprising that he'll make a public show of spending it. It's sad that we can't trust politicians, their promises and body language before the election is to get more votes and win. I'm not worried about the future of Bitcoin because despite the skepticism and lack of support from some notable individuals and presidents it's adoption is still increasing.

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Just like actors, they'll act to get the attention of people. He literally targeting people who's into crypto Cheesy

Haha, and who cares bro? Do you really think that the crypto community is waiting for Trump to save the Bull run haha, honestly some crypto noobs really think that this election is the only support for the market to move into a huge bull run. Everyone is running for their own.

It would be great if someone supported Bitcoins directly by imposing regulatory policies, it can be a great help to boost the adoption rate, but without that still, we are in a growing state today or tomorrow they need to accept it.

Everyone is definitely running for their own benefits just to be sincere and Trump has done his background work enough so that he is showing people both with support and patronage, that he is pro-bitcoin. We all know how this school of thought can immediately change, once he attains the presidential seat.

While there is also the news of his sons about to launch their own cryptocurrency and of course Trump is in support, it is of no consequence to state that Trump has crypto holdings that may include Bitcoin, Etherum, NFTs and other tokens that are trendy today.
Here's the receipt of the purchase that Trump made during his campaign and tell me if it ain't a campaign strategy that is efficient:

Let's hope we all get to benefit from whatever policy Trump makes if he becomes president of the U.S, else we may witness a strong battle between Fiat and crypto currency policies that may be worst than what is acceptable, already.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 22, 2024, 01:18:42 AM

It's not dictatorship. It's, sadly, one of the major flaws of democracy.

For ancient Greece which is where democracy was set in stone, isonomia was a prerequisite. There cannot be a democracy in today's crony capitalism, because first of all, politicians have asylums to protect themselves from when breaking the law, and a few businesses have advantages with the corrupt government, which means, there is no isonomy.

Many things have changed since democracy was considered to be the best political regime. I can't say the same thing today. Democracy needs to hardfork.

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Quote from: pooya87 on September 22, 2024, 12:22:12 AM

What kind of dictatorship is this that people are forced to only choose from the most terrible people?

It's not dictatorship. It's, sadly, one of the major flaws of democracy.
On a happier note, a proper democracy enforces there are more powers/pillars in the state, somewhat equalizing the situation and not allowing that easily bad people do bad things.
And while "most terrible" is a bit of exaggeration, they are politicians; if they would be nice people, they would have been choosing nicer jobs.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 21, 2024, 03:36:00 AM

People are comparing: between a bad person and a less bad person, we should choose the less bad person. Grin

What kind of dictatorship is this that people are forced to only choose from the most terrible people?

P.S. For a little fun it is worth watching Futurama A Head in the Polls S2-E7, Groening does a fine job depicting the political mess in the United States in cartoon form. I could only find this commentary on it on youtube, not the full episode itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN8csVGJCsM&t=225s Cheesy

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Quote from: Iranus on September 21, 2024, 03:36:00 AM

MicroStrategy, Blackrock and many other prominent and institutional investors have criticized and belittled bitcoin in the past, but what about now? They are the top bitcoin holders.
If people couldn't change their minds, I bet bitcoin wouldn't be as popular as it is today. Because many years ago most people called bitcoin a scam but now they are investing in it and that is why it is becoming more and more popular. Anyone can change their mind, why can't and shouldn't we trust Trump? Everything takes time and everyone can change their perspective when they realize its potential.

What's wrong with him turning bitcoin into a scheme to get more voters? What decent politician doesn't use tricks and empty promises to get more votes? He may not love bitcoin as much as he claims, but at least he has publicly supported and used it, and what presidential candidate has ever done this?

That shows if he gets elected, he will hurt us less than Harris and that's why people choose him. People are comparing: between a bad person and a less bad person, we should choose the less bad person. Grin

I'm not familiar with the USA's politics to judge who's better or who's worse. I'm just stating that this might be a public stunt in an attempt to collect more votes from the cryptocurrency community. There's nothing wrong with that; we just don't know if he's truly supporting it because he genuinely changed his mind, similarly to the many institutions you mentioned, or if he's simply trying to appear alternative and make a good impression. The ideal scenario would be if he's actually changed his viewpoint, as that could potentially positively impact cryptocurrencies in case he's elected.

Not only in the United States, in the eyes of the people, politics is always associated with tricks, fraud, and lies. But so what? They are still the leaders of the country, the leaders of us no matter what we say. As I said: no politician has a clean and decent background, and that has become a culture, a very normal thing in politics. So since criticizing politicians doesn't benefit us, why should we waste our time doing it? Instead, vote for the person you think will hurt you less and benefit you more. We vote for them not because we love them but because we are exchanging benefits with each other.

Quote from: mindrust on September 21, 2024, 10:52:27 AM

You have made a good point. I am pretty sure all of us doubted bitcoin at one point in the past. People say Donald changed his tone, he used to be a hater like it is a bad thing. No! It is a good thing! He is a billionaire and if he is supporting bitcoin now (which he clearly is) then it is a very good thing for us.

Under Trump's administration, Bitcoin adoption will go to the moon. Imagine having a pro-bitcoin president in the US, that would be the most awesomest thing ever, especially after the Biden/Camala commie duo.

I bet many of us also underestimated bitcoin when we first heard about it and didn't care about it, even calling it a scam. But over time, people realized its potential and started changing their attitude towards it. This is very normal because human nature is skeptical about everything, especially new things. It's funny how they can give themselves the right to change their minds but feel uncomfortable when others do.

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Quote from: sizzling on September 20, 2024, 09:15:17 PM

Just like actors, they'll act to get the attention of people. He literally targeting people who's into crypto Cheesy

Haha, and who cares bro? Do you really think that the crypto community is waiting for Trump to save the Bull run haha, honestly some crypto noobs really think that this election is the only support for the market to move into a huge bull run. Everyone is running for their own.

It would be great if someone supported Bitcoins directly by imposing regulatory policies, it can be a great help to boost the adoption rate, but without that still, we are in a growing state today or tomorrow they need to accept it.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 21, 2024, 03:36:00 AM

MicroStrategy, Blackrock and many other prominent and institutional investors have criticized and belittled bitcoin in the past, but what about now? They are the top bitcoin holders.
If people couldn't change their minds, I bet bitcoin wouldn't be as popular as it is today. Because many years ago most people called bitcoin a scam but now they are investing in it and that is why it is becoming more and more popular. Anyone can change their mind, why can't and shouldn't we trust Trump? Everything takes time and everyone can change their perspective when they realize its potential.

What's wrong with him turning bitcoin into a scheme to get more voters? What decent politician doesn't use tricks and empty promises to get more votes? He may not love bitcoin as much as he claims, but at least he has publicly supported and used it, and what presidential candidate has ever done this?

That shows if he gets elected, he will hurt us less than Harris and that's why people choose him. People are comparing: between a bad person and a less bad person, we should choose the less bad person. Grin

You have made a good point. I am pretty sure all of us doubted bitcoin at one point in the past. People say Donald changed his tone, he used to be a hater like it is a bad thing. No! It is a good thing! He is a billionaire and if he is supporting bitcoin now (which he clearly is) then it is a very good thing for us.

Under Trump's administration, Bitcoin adoption will go to the moon. Imagine having a pro-bitcoin president in the US, that would be the most awesomest thing ever, especially after the Biden/Camala commie duo.

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It's more clear to me now that this are all just a political strategy for his interest to win the election, because if it was not for the sake of the election, how many times have we read or head that Trump spent Bitcoin on a physical product or service? Or was it that those services was not yet open and accepting Bitcoin in the past when Trump was not yet a presidential candidate for this year election? There are many services that accepts Bitcoin but because he was not yet running for presidential sit then, he didn't see any need to spend or learn how to make a Bitcoin transaction but now that he want to be elected as the president, he is using what the people love so much to entice them and make them vote for him.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 21, 2024, 03:36:00 AM

MicroStrategy, Blackrock and many other prominent and institutional investors have criticized and belittled bitcoin in the past, but what about now? They are the top bitcoin holders.
If people couldn't change their minds, I bet bitcoin wouldn't be as popular as it is today. Because many years ago most people called bitcoin a scam but now they are investing in it and that is why it is becoming more and more popular. Anyone can change their mind, why can't and shouldn't we trust Trump? Everything takes time and everyone can change their perspective when they realize its potential.

What's wrong with him turning bitcoin into a scheme to get more voters? What decent politician doesn't use tricks and empty promises to get more votes? He may not love bitcoin as much as he claims, but at least he has publicly supported and used it, and what presidential candidate has ever done this?

That shows if he gets elected, he will hurt us less than Harris and that's why people choose him. People are comparing: between a bad person and a less bad person, we should choose the less bad person. Grin

I'm not familiar with the USA's politics to judge who's better or who's worse. I'm just stating that this might be a public stunt in an attempt to collect more votes from the cryptocurrency community. There's nothing wrong with that; we just don't know if he's truly supporting it because he genuinely changed his mind, similarly to the many institutions you mentioned, or if he's simply trying to appear alternative and make a good impression. The ideal scenario would be if he's actually changed his viewpoint, as that could potentially positively impact cryptocurrencies in case he's elected.

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For me I like what trump is doing whether his intentions towards bitcoin is pure or not. If truly he is not a fan of bitcoin but claiming to be right now, even if he wins the presidential sit I don't think he will go against cryptocurrency, maybe to come up with bad policies that may affect the regulation of bitcoin. No matter what Donald trump may have about bitcoin, but the truth of the matter is that history has it there was a time when trump was a fan of bitcoin and I don't care if it is genuine or not. With what he is doing to with bitcoin trying to gain support from the crypto community I doubt if he will go against bitcoin in the future if he becomes president again.

From how I see things, he's putting on a show to make an impression towards the public as an innovation adopter. I find it hard to believe that during his presidency, he was claiming that Bitcoin is a scam or a bubble about to burst, but now he's actively promoting it during his presidential campaign. There are two scenarios: one, he genuinely changed his mind and realized that he was in the wrong, or two, it's a show in an effort to attract more voters. I'm tilting towards the second.

MicroStrategy, Blackrock and many other prominent and institutional investors have criticized and belittled bitcoin in the past, but what about now? They are the top bitcoin holders.
If people couldn't change their minds, I bet bitcoin wouldn't be as popular as it is today. Because many years ago most people called bitcoin a scam but now they are investing in it and that is why it is becoming more and more popular. Anyone can change their mind, why can't and shouldn't we trust Trump? Everything takes time and everyone can change their perspective when they realize its potential.

What's wrong with him turning bitcoin into a scheme to get more voters? What decent politician doesn't use tricks and empty promises to get more votes? He may not love bitcoin as much as he claims, but at least he has publicly supported and used it, and what presidential candidate has ever done this?

That shows if he gets elected, he will hurt us less than Harris and that's why people choose him. People are comparing: between a bad person and a less bad person, we should choose the less bad person. Grin

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on September 20, 2024, 11:34:59 AM

For me I like what trump is doing whether his intentions towards bitcoin is pure or not. If truly he is not a fan of bitcoin but claiming to be right now, even if he wins the presidential sit I don't think he will go against cryptocurrency, maybe to come up with bad policies that may affect the regulation of bitcoin. No matter what Donald trump may have about bitcoin, but the truth of the matter is that history has it there was a time when trump was a fan of bitcoin and I don't care if it is genuine or not. With what he is doing to with bitcoin trying to gain support from the crypto community I doubt if he will go against bitcoin in the future if he becomes president again.

From how I see things, he's putting on a show to make an impression towards the public as an innovation adopter. I find it hard to believe that during his presidency, he was claiming that Bitcoin is a scam or a bubble about to burst, but now he's actively promoting it during his presidential campaign. There are two scenarios: one, he genuinely changed his mind and realized that he was in the wrong, or two, it's a show in an effort to attract more voters. I'm tilting towards the second.

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Quote from: ultrloa on September 20, 2024, 08:12:24 AM

I will be more impressed if he do it on regular days like there's no election coming. Since for what he did its like he just wanna sell out those things what he do to his bitcoin then gather lots of exposure or create some impression that he's really supporting bitcoin. But since he do it on these days which he need votes of people so provably that this kind of actions is just for his political exposure.

He provably want to be visible to bitcoin user and show something that he use bitcoin then would provably support it under his term. Although this is really crazy but let see what will happen next to it since for sure we could provably see more of this kind of act especially election day in US will happen in November. So politician will double their efforts to convince people to vote them.

I think other people will also impress if he do that on regular days to show his interest to Bitcoin and want to learns more about Bitcoin. We don't know if people will gives their support and votes for him or not because that will not easy to gets that even after what he did. He needs to do more things to gain more attention from people so they will gives votes for him.

The politicians will do all things to get support and vote from people because that is what happens from a long time ago. We don't know what next that he will do to get support and vote from people but he will do something that is different than the other candidates.

Quote from: Rockstarguy on September 20, 2024, 11:34:59 AM

For me I like what trump is doing whether his intentions towards bitcoin is pure or not. If truly he is not a fan of bitcoin but claiming to be right now, even if he wins the presidential sit I don't think he will go against cryptocurrency, maybe to come up with bad policies that may affect the regulation of bitcoin. No matter what Donald trump may have about bitcoin, but the truth of the matter is that history has it there was a time when trump was a fan of bitcoin and I don't care if it is genuine or not. With what he is doing to with bitcoin trying to gain support from the crypto community I doubt if he will go against bitcoin in the future if he becomes president again.

We don't know yet what will he do to Bitcoin. Besides that, we also don't know if his intentions towards Bitcoin is pure or not or just want to gains attention from the people so they will gives their votes to him. His policies can change after he becomes a new president because he will see the current situation and adapt his policies so that can work with the situation. We will see what may happen later after the election is ends and know who will be the new president and hopefully, that will help crypto to be more popular than now and more people will participate in the crypto.

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Just like actors, they'll act to get the attention of people. He literally targeting people who's into crypto Cheesy

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Quote from: Accardo on September 19, 2024, 04:24:59 AM

Basically, Trump is the first US president to make a successful bitcoin payment, yet it'll be appalling if bitcoiners are forcing the whole process down his throat. From your response, the president may just be doing all this because he wants the community to vote for him. I'm 90% sure he wouldn't do all that when he climbs to the throne as president of America. For now, he's like any other investor showing out his excitement for bitcoin, could it be that the memory he's creating with bitcoiners would make impact to his behavior as a leader of America, we may not have been hearing him talk repeatedly about weapons and security in America.

Trump's Agenda is to make America great again, he rarely talks about bitcoin in his campaigns. The last time I watched him speak, it was all revolving around war, nuclear weapon, military, etc. However, should bitcoin be on his agenda, it's the least of what he's thinking about.

He cannot be talking about Bitcoin alone in all of his campaigns, there are also certain areas he has to address. So don't be surprised when Trump is not taking about Bitcoin in all his public campaigns. If Bitcoin is the only thing he talks about, Americans will start questioning him if Bitcoin is the only thing that he is going to look into when he assumes office as the president. That's why you will see him not focusing on talking about Bitcoin alone. The few times he has talked about Bitcoin is enough and people have known that Bitcoin is part of his manifesto. What is America without Military and weapons? He also has to assure the people that he is taking their security very seriously. That under his leadership, US won't be weak.

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Quote from: BlockExplorer24 on September 19, 2024, 04:37:07 AM

"Trump using Bitcoin to buy hamburgers feels like a marketing stunt, right? While the symbolism is interesting, it's clear that he's trying to connect with Bitcoiners. But let's be real, it's not Trump who's doing the heavy lifting on the transaction. It makes for good headlines but maybe not the most authentic connection to the crypto community!"

I understand what trump is doing and on a brighter side his action will have effect on both is campaign and also affect bitcoin because the relevance of bitcoin will increase and it will definitely show in value, when the value is doing well that is what people love seeing essentially does that have been holding and when ever their is an increase they sell off the profit and continue with the capital, when you have financial understanding you will also have less financial problems. And buying a hamburger with bitcoin just makes everything more interesting I know some part of government might not like what trump did but trump all the way and their is no any other president thay have initiated this or associated with bitcoin except for El Salvador president.

The authentic connection those not matter what matters is the fact that he even decided to do this and it will even given bitcoiners a peace of mind know fully that when he becomes president their more opportunities that will come through him because of his influence and that is one of the major reasons that people are even happy that trump did what he did it was a brave step and we hope to see more president doing exactly and even encouraging young once.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Trump that can't differentiate between Bitcoin wallet address and Ethereum wallet addresses Grin

Such a kind gesture of him to display love for Bitcoin but I see this as nothing but political ass licking of Bitcoin community. Why hasn't he do this all this while, he has good 4 years to show all this love he is showing now to the Bitcoin community individually but he is doing it now that the election is around the corner and I don't blame him but the people that gave him the platform.

In 3 months now, this showbiz will be over. If he win that's when we are going to see the real him and how he is going to just forget about all this he has been for Bitcoin. Some people are going to say some of us don't like Trump his Bitcoin stuff but the fact that he was there and never care, he doesn't deserve it now, most of what he is doing now are scripted to appease the community.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

It seems for now he is very determined to make it seem as if he is a bitcoiner lol.

Saying symbiosis is clearly a win-win condition regardless of whether his intentions are temporary or indeed remain supportive of bitcoin in the end but when talking about elections is this too forced Cheesy

I mean does it really have to be like this to show that he is a bitcoin holder and will indeed work to improve the welfare of bitcoin just for votes. It's too obvious that he's still trying his best to garner votes from bitcoin holders but doing the first transaction so convincingly and in the presence of journalists is still very funny to me lol

He is still quite active to convince himself that hopefully this will not change direction regardless of whether he loses or wins later in the election because it will be very funny when he is currently so vocal with bitcoin ownership but when he loses he immediately changes course to become an opponent again.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Of course that is his final goal, just like any other politician he would do whatever it takes in order to get more votes. I really don't like Trump but besides shows like this one he's actually open to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, he has an opposite view compared to Harris and the rest of her party. I don't know how many crypto holders will vote for him but for sure he got them thinking now.

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Politicians are movie actors. They take any acting role to get the support they need. Trump was criticised for not owning or using the currency he is promoting. Maybe this was why he had to do a public display of his first use of Bitcoin.

This is what I also think. They can do anything they want to get sympathy and support from the audience. Even they will do something that they deny before just to get benefit from what they do. The audience should be smart to act and can know what they should choose. If Trump want to get support, he needs to do a lot because making a first transaction in Bitcoin doesn't mean audience will really know what Trump did. Maybe that can affect to the market but we don't know for sure. But thanks to Trump because he know the "name" of Bitcoin because of that Grin

For me I like what trump is doing whether his intentions towards bitcoin is pure or not. If truly he is not a fan of bitcoin but claiming to be right now, even if he wins the presidential sit I don't think he will go against cryptocurrency, maybe to come up with bad policies that may affect the regulation of bitcoin. No matter what Donald trump may have about bitcoin, but the truth of the matter is that history has it there was a time when trump was a fan of bitcoin and I don't care if it is genuine or not. With what he is doing to with bitcoin trying to gain support from the crypto community I doubt if he will go against bitcoin in the future if he becomes president again.

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Quote from: mindrust on September 20, 2024, 10:15:42 AM

What good is wealth if you are not going to enjoy it?

If you can't enjoy your wealth unless you buy yourself a lambo, then you probably need to lower your standards to live a happy life. The more in life are hidden in the less.

Quote from: mindrust on September 20, 2024, 10:15:42 AM

With a mindset like that Even if you own a million bitcoins it won’t make any difference on your life.

If your stack allows spending a small fraction to buy a lambo, then just go for it. But if you're... you know, not a whale, then you need to economize, like regular human beings. If you can't see any difference with better health, education, and by dedicating to doing the things you like, with the people you love, then we probably need to end this conversation here.

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Quote from: mindrust on September 20, 2024, 09:48:35 AM

What you gonna do when everybody acknowledge bitcoin though, I didn’t hear your answer? Will you abandon bitcoin?

Let me put it this way: I'm the guy you'll sell your bitcoin to when you'll have "hodled enough" to buy that lambo.

That’s not an answer. Me buying a lambo with my btc doesn’t necessarily mean I am abandoning bitcoin. One might buy a lambo with his bitcoins and still have lots of coins in his wallet.

What good is wealth if you are not going to enjoy it? That’s as bad as owning zero bitcoins. With a mindset like that Even if you own a million bitcoins it won’t make any difference on your life.

People buy/sell bitcoin because they acknowledge its importance. Since you don’t want to be on the same side with the majority what you gonna do?

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on September 19, 2024, 03:13:42 PM

Lol, he's using everything in his disposal at this point. He probably thinks wtf he's doing at that moment, but yeah, more people get to hear about Bitcoin being used as a currency.

You've got to respect his urge to earn Bitcoiners' votes. He clearly earned them. I don't have the evidence, but if I had to guess, the overwhelming majority of Bitcoiners lean to the right, and would immediately sell their souls to a "pro-Bitcoin" politician, if that'd pump their bags. Which is yet another argument on why following majority is a bad decision!

Leveraging on BTC is a key point to get humanity attention, BTC is the most universally used crypto currency. He made a very right step by leveraging and giving relevance to the crypto space. BTC to the world

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Quote from: mindrust on September 20, 2024, 09:48:35 AM

What you gonna do when everybody acknowledge bitcoin though, I didn’t hear your answer? Will you abandon bitcoin?

Let me put it this way: I'm the guy you'll sell your bitcoin to when you'll have "hodled enough" to buy that lambo.

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Quote from: mindrust on September 20, 2024, 08:29:53 AM

Trump will take bitcoin to the moon and the hodlers will drive lambos and fly jets.

So you're trading bitcoin for a bunch of luxurious crap. Spoken like some truly weak hands.

I don't want a lambo, nor flying jets. These are shallow desires, rooted in insecurity. Material achievement is a shitcoin philosophy. You know what's Bitcoin? Understanding the importance of lowering your time preference. Focus on becoming competent in what you do, helping others, and staying true to yourself. And have no fucking reliance on politicians would be Chapter 1.

Are you telling me, you are in it for the tech? Never cared about the price? Yeah right.

What you gonna do when everybody acknowledge bitcoin though, I didn’t hear your answer? Will you abandon bitcoin?

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Quote from: mindrust on September 20, 2024, 08:29:53 AM

Trump will take bitcoin to the moon and the hodlers will drive lambos and fly jets.

So you're trading bitcoin for a bunch of luxurious crap. Spoken like some truly weak hands.

I don't want a lambo, nor flying jets. These are shallow desires, rooted in insecurity. Material achievement is a shitcoin philosophy. You know what's Bitcoin? Understanding the importance of lowering your time preference. Focus on becoming competent in what you do, helping others, and staying true to yourself. And have no fucking reliance on politicians would be Chapter 1.

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Quote from: ultrloa on September 20, 2024, 08:12:24 AM

I will be more impressed if he do it on regular days like there's no election coming. Since for what he did its like he just wanna sell out those things what he do to his bitcoin then gather lots of exposure or create some impression that he's really supporting bitcoin. But since he do it on these days which he need votes of people so provably that this kind of actions is just for his political exposure.

He provably want to be visible to bitcoin user and show something that he use bitcoin then would provably support it under his term. Although this is really crazy but let see what will happen next to it since for sure we could provably see more of this kind of act especially election day in US will happen in November. So politician will double their efforts to convince people to vote them.

If you were a businessman or politician, I bet you would do things like him or like other celebrities. You will always take advantage of every opportunity, anytime, anywhere in life to attract crowds and benefit yourself. You can only stop doing those ridiculous things when you have achieved your goals.

Likewise, why do I, you and everyone invest in bitcoin? We will not use bitcoin, will not support it to become more popular if it does not bring us any benefits. Humans are like that, they only support or care if it benefits them, otherwise no one would spend time and effort focusing on something without expecting any benefits.
If they do not use tricks and take advantage of every opportunity and participate in the election in a transparent manner. Those people are not politicians and can never win the trust of the people and win. Politics is like that, lies, tricks, there is nothing that is not dared to do as long as the goal is achieved.

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Quote from: Synchronice on September 19, 2024, 03:19:33 AM

If you think that Trump is silly, please watch this: Kamala Harris Explaining The Cloud Storage

Both of them are terrible in their own unique way. This is why I've pitied Americans at least since 2020 that their System forces them to choose from are two of the worst people for the job!

Quote from: Alone055 on September 19, 2024, 03:36:46 PM

Well, people in power would have someone to handle each task they need, so it's not surprising that someone else is handling the phone and making the transaction on his behalf.

That's true but at the end of the day this is an advertisement. He could have put a little effort into it and "faked it" at the very least. Cheesy

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Quote from: pooya87 on September 19, 2024, 01:55:48 AM

In any case, this is a positive news for bitcoin even if it doesn't change anything for this silly candidate who doesn't even know how to use bitcoin and has to have someone handle the phone even...

This is basically free advertisement for Bitcoin and it reaches a lot of people introducing bitcoin to them as a currency that they can easily use.

Perfectly said, Bitcoin this year is witnessing its highest level of recognition, judging base on the fact that United States is the world-leading country, with their USD hegemony, now seeing that the former US president, Donald Trump adopted and has done some transactions using Bitcoin, is actually sending a strong message across the world regarding adoption.

However, despite that, the Bitcoin market has already started recovering this week on before this news yesterday, I think the news has also helped in the price going up, boosting investors confidence as what to expect if Donald Trump wins the election.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on September 19, 2024, 03:13:42 PM

Lol, he's using everything in his disposal at this point. He probably thinks wtf he's doing at that moment, but yeah, more people get to hear about Bitcoin being used as a currency.

You've got to respect his urge to earn Bitcoiners' votes. He clearly earned them. I don't have the evidence, but if I had to guess, the overwhelming majority of Bitcoiners lean to the right, and would immediately sell their souls to a "pro-Bitcoin" politician, if that'd pump their bags. Which is yet another argument on why following majority is a bad decision!

Spoken like a true no coiner.

Trump will take bitcoin to the moon and the hodlers will drive lambos and fly jets.

Have fun staying poor blackhatnocoiner Cheesy

What you gonna do when the majority of the world population support bitcoin? Dump your bags? Haha

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Quote from: Miles2006 on September 19, 2024, 04:23:34 PM

Funny how he knows bitcoin can generate a large population of supporters if only he could buy the mind of bitcoin enthusiasts. I still don’t know what most people will think about this but, definitely he’s doing this to gain more supporters from my view tho. I just love how they know the value of bitcoin even if they try to push bitcoin away there’s always something good at the end, this is a popular trick majority of candidates display for example, they go for what the masses want playing the favorite card.

I am not sure if he really fully understand how to use Bitcoin or other things but I guess he just want to attract more attention from Bitcoin user to support and vote for him. That should makes us Bitcoin user not to directly believe 100% of what he will do because we need to wait for what he will do after he make that moment. I think he is better to retired from anything he did and enjoy his wealth that he got before while he can enjoy his old age with his family and forget about the will to be the president. That will better for him and his family because people will know that he is not ambition to elected. But we can not say like that because he still want to have more power to run his plan which no other knows for sure.

I will be more impressed if he do it on regular days like there's no election coming. Since for what he did its like he just wanna sell out those things what he do to his bitcoin then gather lots of exposure or create some impression that he's really supporting bitcoin. But since he do it on these days which he need votes of people so provably that this kind of actions is just for his political exposure.

He provably want to be visible to bitcoin user and show something that he use bitcoin then would provably support it under his term. Although this is really crazy but let see what will happen next to it since for sure we could provably see more of this kind of act especially election day in US will happen in November. So politician will double their efforts to convince people to vote them.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 19, 2024, 01:02:12 AM

Trump didn't make any transaction with Bitcoin from the video I watched on FOX news. In fact he didn't look interested in it. He looked more interested in speaking to the "people at the other side" like he said after the dude in a face cap triumphantly announced that Trump was the first presidential candidate to make such transaction thereby making history. For the record I am indifferent to whoever wins. I'll leave that for the Americans to decide. Right now smart electorates will look at the policies of the presidential aspirants and make cast their votes on whichever one they feel appeals more to them.

Donald Trump recent appearance on FOX News has sparked curiosity about his stance on Bitcoin. Despite remain recognized as first presidential candidate to make Bitcoin transaction Trump looks like unenthusiastic and more focused on connecting with his audience means he is making his vote bank only. This lack of interest raises questions about his genuine commitment to cryptocurrency and innovative financial technologies.
Means this is showing that Trump is only catching the trend and making it friend otherwise he has no knowledge about blockchain.

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no matter what others point here yet the thing is that if this is really trump letting his aide using bitcoin then he really wanted to win Bitcoiners vote and also to win americans trust about his position towards cashless society ..

and also hoping that this is not another AI works to mislead people .

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Quote from: Miles2006 on September 19, 2024, 04:23:34 PM

Funny how he knows bitcoin can generate a large population of supporters if only he could buy the mind of bitcoin enthusiasts. I still don’t know what most people will think about this but, definitely he’s doing this to gain more supporters from my view tho. I just love how they know the value of bitcoin even if they try to push bitcoin away there’s always something good at the end, this is a popular trick majority of candidates display for example, they go for what the masses want playing the favorite card.

I am not sure if he really fully understand how to use Bitcoin or other things but I guess he just want to attract more attention from Bitcoin user to support and vote for him. That should makes us Bitcoin user not to directly believe 100% of what he will do because we need to wait for what he will do after he make that moment. I think he is better to retired from anything he did and enjoy his wealth that he got before while he can enjoy his old age with his family and forget about the will to be the president. That will better for him and his family because people will know that he is not ambition to elected. But we can not say like that because he still want to have more power to run his plan which no other knows for sure.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Obviously this is the case. He wants the votes, and I doubt anyone actually believes his enthusiasm for Bitcoin is anything but a PR show that he thought up. But as long as it makes Bitcoin better known and more popular, that is fine with me. He is spreading the word of Bitcoin, whether he himself believes in it or not.

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Quote from: pooya87 on September 19, 2024, 01:55:48 AM

Trump must be getting too desperate, specially after the debate with that other candidate that cost him a lot of votes and even more when he refused for a second debate that cost him even more votes Cheesy

To be honest, I haven't watched the debate. I wanted to watch but I don't have a big desire, especially when I saw the highlights. As far as I know, he did a bad job in this debate while Kamala did more research and was more ready but I don't like her. By the way, his excuse for a second debate was that what happens when fighter loses? The fighter wants a rematch, it's not the winner who wants the rematch. So, according to Trump's logic, he did well, Kamala Harris lost and now she wants a rematch and Trump and his team will think about it. Trump is very narcissist, it's too much for an old man.

I think the polls are showing easily that Kamala won because she is leading the polls right now and she is leading in battleground states as well so we should be considering that as a normal thing because she won and that is why she is leading. Trump can't go out and say "I lost the first debate and I am scared to do another one because losing two debates in a row would make me look weak", so of course he is going to say something that will make him look better, that is why he said that he won, what were you expecting him to say, that he lost? Of course that this isn't really that important because what he thinks doesn't matter, what voters think about the situation matters.

Like you, there are others who do not care Trump lost the debate and they still support trump, and there are many trump voters who will go out to vote for him, debate doesn't make everyone stay at home, some people will end up thinking that they have a candidate in mind and that's it for them.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on September 18, 2024, 11:23:40 PM

Yeah this is ~~the first~~ Donald Trump's aide uses Bitcoin to buy a burger at a bar in New York.

As we can see Trump didn't even able to use phone and scan QR code using Bitcoin wallet, he really know what Bitcoin is!

Too bad the aide didn't get any spotlight even though he was struggle to pay using Bitcoin, I don't even know who's him after made some research.

It was Trump who authorized his aides to do the transactions on his behalf, so it was him. Aides can act for government officials if they get approval. Most of the actions most presidents take and done by members of staff.

It was him who asked his aids to help him complete the transaction because he didn't know how to handle it. It's pretty clear and obvious, so the question now is: how is he campaigning to support something he doesn't even know its use?

This is just the life of a typical average politician; they tend to use the information of what they think the people's need to gather votes for themselves without truly understanding what it is.

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First Bitcoin transaction only in 2024? He is aware of Bitcoin since ran for presidency for the first time, at least. Why transacting with Bitcoin only now? Maybe Bitcoin didn't have the same potential of gathering votes back then compared to its current potential?

It's nothing more than demagogy. Just like the politicians who take photos with poors, children and disabled people during the elections. What really matters is what is the approach of the politicians regards the matter during the government. Before everything is perfect and beautiful, what comes next is what people should be concerned about.

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Politicians are movie actors. They take any acting role to get the support they need. Trump was criticised for not owning or using the currency he is promoting. Maybe this was why he had to do a public display of his first use of Bitcoin.

This is what I also think. They can do anything they want to get sympathy and support from the audience. Even they will do something that they deny before just to get benefit from what they do. The audience should be smart to act and can know what they should choose. If Trump want to get support, he needs to do a lot because making a first transaction in Bitcoin doesn't mean audience will really know what Trump did. Maybe that can affect to the market but we don't know for sure. But thanks to Trump because he know the "name" of Bitcoin because of that Grin

Funny how he knows bitcoin can generate a large population of supporters if only he could buy the mind of bitcoin enthusiasts. I still don’t know what most people will think about this but, definitely he’s doing this to gain more supporters from my view tho. I just love how they know the value of bitcoin even if they try to push bitcoin away there’s always something good at the end, this is a popular trick majority of candidates display for example, they go for what the masses want playing the favorite card.

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Nice attempt, but not really something that could sway voters easily. At the least, his willingness to try it out and plans to make the crypto space sonehow easier to get into is something that is not seen in previous presidential candidates. If he lays out his plans to improve the crypto space that I know is feasible and attainable, I might just support the guy albeit his rambunctious antics in the world stage from time to time.

If this guy wins the election, it's good for bitcoin. Then again, it's not the only thing he should care about as there are other pressing issues that needed attention, so voters should still be wize about it.

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Whether Trump eventually emerges as president or not, this action taken by him will create a global awareness about bitcoin which will inspire lots of people who are still in doubt to explore Bitcoin the more. This will be possible because of the influence Trump has, not just on the Americans, but the world at large. This will boost confidence in the minds of bitcoiners and prospective investors who are scared of giving it a trial.

I never believed in Trump and his sudden support for bitcoin, but here's me having a change of perception towards him. This is a great effort put in place to prove his support to the bitcoin community. People may tag him 'desperate' but I see a new level of confidence in the minds of the people.

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Quote from: pooya87 on September 19, 2024, 01:55:48 AM

Trump must be getting too desperate, specially after the debate with that other candidate that cost him a lot of votes and even more when he refused for a second debate that cost him even more votes Cheesy

He is now basically bribing people to vote for it.

In any case, this is a positive news for bitcoin even if it doesn't change anything for this silly candidate who doesn't even know how to use bitcoin and has to have someone handle the phone even... This is basically free advertisement for Bitcoin and it reaches a lot of people introducing bitcoin to them as a currency that they can easily use.

Well, people in power would have someone to handle each task they need, so it's not surprising that someone else is handling the phone and making the transaction on his behalf. Even though I don't believe that he is supporting Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies because he loves the technology or has realized it is a great innovation, I would agree with you that this is at least going to be a positive thing for Bitcoin in the sense that there will be more awareness around the world about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies because US presidential elections are covered and watched all around the world, I believe.

So whether we support him or not, and whether he is doing this for Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies or only for votes, this is going to promote Bitcoin to the masses that either support him or watch him for fun or to stay updated, and that is all we care about.

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I saw the video after this post. So it's pretty sure he has been trying to gain trust from Bitcoin users in the US. But quite surprised he doesn't know how to make payment where we can see someone else helping him to confirm the payment. Most probably he just loves Bitcoin and is not much aware of technical issues. However, still, it's good to see a former and presidential candidate using Bitcoin to make payments. So we can expect that if he wins, he will likely support Bitcoin adaptation. I am not sure if we can see any significant movements though, but still, I wish Trump would win and support Bitcoin.

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Lol, he's using everything in his disposal at this point. He probably thinks wtf he's doing at that moment, but yeah, more people get to hear about Bitcoin being used as a currency.

You've got to respect his urge to earn Bitcoiners' votes. He clearly earned them. I don't have the evidence, but if I had to guess, the overwhelming majority of Bitcoiners lean to the right, and would immediately sell their souls to a "pro-Bitcoin" politician, if that'd pump their bags. Which is yet another argument on why following majority is a bad decision!

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Quote from: coolcoinz on September 19, 2024, 02:29:14 PM

The most important thing in all of this is that bitcoiners are becoming an important group. Not some weirdos libertarians trying to promote their own currency but a group worth fighting for, worth pleasing.

I highly agree, forget about politicians, forget about politics, this act whether Trump is sincere or not gives news that there is this cryptocurrency called Bitcoin and there is dedicated group behind called "Bitcoiners" or "Bitcoin enthusiasts" and they are now being mentioned in tri-media directly or indirectly. This gives importance that Bitcoin is a real thing not just some Tulip bubbles or what.

Yea and worth joining!

Its definitely news worthy and goes to show that his statements before about
Bitcoin were serious. and puts Bitcoin in the spotlight again!

Ok he had to get someone to do it for him but yea I guess thats how the super
rich operate, they get others to do stuff for them. Just like those who would prefer
to own a spot ETF rather than Bitcoin itself.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

We can say that it’s symbolic enough.

Politics aside, I am glad he showcased the usage of bitcoin for something as mundane as buying hamburgers. It showed that bitcoin is safe and you can use it in your daily life. I don’t know if this effectively sways voters however this sends a message to Americans about bitcoin.

Whether or not he has genuine interest in bitcoin, the exposure bitcoin is getting from his campaign is a good thing.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on September 19, 2024, 02:29:14 PM

The most important thing in all of this is that bitcoiners are becoming an important group. Not some weirdos libertarians trying to promote their own currency but a group worth fighting for, worth pleasing.

I highly agree, forget about politicians, forget about politics, this act whether Trump is sincere or not gives news that there is this cryptocurrency called Bitcoin and there is dedicated group behind called "Bitcoiners" or "Bitcoin enthusiasts" and they are now being mentioned in tri-media directly or indirectly. This gives importance that Bitcoin is a real thing not just some Tulip bubbles or what.

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The most important thing in all of this is that bitcoiners are becoming an important group. Not some weirdos libertarians trying to promote their own currency but a group worth fighting for, worth pleasing.

History is being written before our eyes. This can be a way to win some votes, a complete lie to fool people into thinking he's about freedom of transaction and all that, but that's not the important part. What's significant is that he could talk about so many other topics. He could argue about abortion rights, guns, the support for Israel or Ukraine, NATO, but he dedicates his time to talk about decentralized money.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

This is surprising, Trump had been advocating that he supports (if that what it meant) Bitcoin for a year maybe if not for months, and this news just simply tells that Trump makes his first Bitcoin transaction. What a laugh, aren't they manipulating people into believing that Trump really is into Bitcoin even if the possible truth he is not?

If he is really into Bitcoin, he could have made his first transaction months or years ago. I say, guys don't get manipulated. Though I really hope Trump is sincere on his stance of being pro with Bitcoins. But the cynics in me say this is all politics.

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Nothing surprising aside from the fact that IT WASN'T HIM WHO MADE IT but his guard? His aide? His right bodyguard? Whoever he is, he must be the one to take the credits and not Trump.

Well, it seems like he's getting the support that he wants from those who're involved into Bitcoin and this move is a proof that he will support Bitcoin once he wins on the election... or is he? Because we know that politicians are also SELF-MADE ACTORS as well. There's nothing more lame than using something like Bitcoin just to increase his popularity, but it is what it is and this is the reason why I'm hesitant to vote as well in our elections more than a year from now.

We can say negative things to what Trump is doing right now, but it works... I guess, and he doesn't care about our criticisms, comments or whatever. What matters to him is to win and he will do everything. Undecided

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Everyone was waiting for the moment when it would be possible to pay for coffee with bitcoin, but they missed the moment of buying a burger with bitcoin by the past and probably future US president.

By the way, was this BTC-transaction published anywhere as "having historical value"?

What was that? Undoubtedly, a PR campaign and this step doesn't mean (doesn't guarantee) the use of bitcoin as an official means of payment in the future, that is, a loyal attitude by the presidential administration. For me, this looks like a show that should not be taken in.

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I really don't know why but I think that Trump is not interested in Bitcoin and this is all just a show for more "votes". Of course, this news can have a good effect on the crypto and bitcoin market, but in my opinion, this is just a marketing and Trump knows that the new generation will form a large part of the "voters" and the new generation loves bitcoin.

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Politicians can do anything to win voters or electorates minds. In election period they even eat with the poor on the street restaurants. But after the election and when they have gotten the support from the electorates and won the election they would turn their back on them and suffer them with obnoxious policies.

When I saw the news that Donald Trump bought Burger with bitcoin in his hangout with the help of pubkey staff. But now that he has used bitcoin to confirm the legit of bitcoin then he will support bitcoin when he has finally won the election. And many bitcoin companies that have died would resurrect again.

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He is winning the Bitcoin supporters. I believe that.

From Day 1, I know he will use Bitcoin as one of his means to win the presidency and I think he is doing it right. I can say his PR is good because the crypto space is growing so large by now and many celebrities and popular people could agree with him and their supporters will also be dragged by what they believe and so he will get more voters for him.

I repeated that video for like 100 times trying to understand how it happened. I can just say he is now getting the heart of Bitcoin supporters.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 19, 2024, 05:47:30 AM

Does anyone know which Bitcoin wallet Trump used in this video? I can't see the screen well and couldn't find any information about it. I also wonder who controls his Bitcoin wallet. We have a basic rule here - not your keys, not your coins. I believe that Trump has no idea what is a key and seed phrase, someone should have access on his wallet and that's the funniest thing Grin

I don't have a subscription to this publication, but Russian news reports cite it, saying that Trump used the Strike app, which is built on the Lightning Network. The bar itself accepts payments using the Zaprite app.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-18/donald-trump-buys-fans-burgers-and-pays-with-bitcoin-at-new-york-bar
https://www.rbc.ru/wine/news/66ec352f9a794786019625f8

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Is Donald Trump playing the bitcoin pizza kind of game to mark a symbolic cheft in the direction of things, just as being the first US presidents to spend the lowest amount of bitcoin in paying for goods, this also symbolise how bitcoin could be use for even the smallest amount of transactions.

Also the ability to spend bitcoin totally free from all the centralised laws unless if the transaction is carried out from a centralised payment gateway such as excahges or payment gateway that offers financial services.

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All right, good, i hope he will be making more purchases using BTC when or if he becomes the president of the U.S., he is clearly trying to win most of the votes of the crypto community in the U.S., and i think he has done so, in any case, this is good publicity for BTC. Next up, maybe Kamala should spend BTC on some doughnuts, and maybe she will try to go one better and do it herself.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Lol I thought he might have some sense of how to use a BTC wallet and how to make a transaction at least, but he is taking help from staff to do that make me wonder if he really mean the statements that he made for BTC development and overall for crypto development. He literally has no idea how things are working in the BTC network. I think we should ask him some questions like those who can should ask him some questions about BTC so we could at least know he has some knowledge of crypto and he is not just bluffing everything and doing everything by taking help and advice from others.

I know how things work with these dudes (political) because they can't learn to fire a gun, but as leaders, they will be making law for it, modifying it, standing for one law and standing against for another even if they have no experience of the thing in question. But still he is the first candidate so it makes a history that Bitcoiners will remember.

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Quote from: icalical on September 19, 2024, 05:18:53 AM

For a person who doesn't live in America, I don't pay much attention to the presidential election there, but I think it's the same with other countries. Candidates do stunt and gimmick to attract voter. And in this specific thing, I have a question, is it good or bad if the candidate use crypto for their campaign?

When crypto community getting political attention doesn't it mean that it's getting popular, and maybe we could expect some good policy from the candidate when they got elected, and this will lead to more market value and adoption?

Or will it just stop in their campaign? like nothing will change after they got elected, whey won't even talk about Bitcoin or crypto.

Staying neutral about the election will help you avoid unnecessary controversy, you are great. But I disagree when you say that having a pro-crypto presidential candidate won't make it more popular. If you are a celebrity, someone with a large fan base, you will see how much influence you have over them. Trump is not only a billionaire but also a former president and a candidate this year, so his influence will not be small. Don't underestimate a celebrity speaking out in favor of cryptocurrency.

But I agree with you that we still don't know what they will do after they are elected, whether they will keep their promises or will forget all the promises they made. Everything remains in question because the future is unpredictable . I don't know about you, but if I get a chance, even a small one, I'm ready to seize it and not let it go. So I support him and hope he will bring positive things to the crypto industry .

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Quote from: ABCbits on September 19, 2024, 04:53:21 AM

I guess phrase "Better late than never" applies in this case. While i agree that it's his attempt to get more votes, at least it lets general public know that Bitcoin can used to pay goods and services.

I guess he is on the right course especially when QueMala is doing everything to drive voters away from herself. Cool

Oh no Trump is again trying to get the Bitcoiner votes omg why does he do that? OMg omg omg

Ha ha cry more you twats Tongue

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

It is hilarious. I watched the video, it's not Trump who made his first Bitcoin transaction, it's someone else who made it for him. You can understand by the look that Trump has no idea what's happening around him, he is just doing what his advisor suggested him to do and looks happy. You can tell that he, like Kamala Harris, is a puppet, managed by other people.

Does anyone know which Bitcoin wallet Trump used in this video? I can't see the screen well and couldn't find any information about it. I also wonder who controls his Bitcoin wallet. We have a basic rule here - not your keys, not your coins. I believe that Trump has no idea what is a key and seed phrase, someone should have access on his wallet and that's the funniest thing Grin

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For a person who doesn't live in America, I don't pay much attention to the presidential election there, but I think it's the same with other countries. Candidates do stunt and gimmick to attract voter. And in this specific thing, I have a question, is it good or bad if the candidate use crypto for their campaign?

When crypto community getting political attention doesn't it mean that it's getting popular, and maybe we could expect some good policy from the candidate when they got elected, and this will lead to more market value and adoption?

Or will it just stop in their campaign? like nothing will change after they got elected, whey won't even talk about Bitcoin or crypto.

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Quote from: Catenaccio on September 19, 2024, 05:09:14 AM

Quote from: ImThour on September 19, 2024, 05:00:45 AM

I like that he is putting some efforts into it. He got someone to tell him more about Bitcoin and how he can actually make use of technology in a day to day life.

In one of his rallies recent days, he said that his children, grandchildren shown him how to make a Bitcoin, cryptocurrency transaction. I believe that if he wanted to learn, he already learned about it with support from his family members.

Trump is very old, and old people most of the times DO NOT understand new technology, and let alone that, Trump can't even hold an object properly without shaking anymore. So it makes sense that people have to help him out and show him how to do this or that.

I'm guessing the whole Bitcoin stunt was suggested by the PubKey bar staff though, not from Trump himself.

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Quote from: ImThour on September 19, 2024, 05:00:45 AM

I like that he is putting some efforts into it. He got someone to tell him more about Bitcoin and how he can actually make use of technology in a day to day life.

In one of his rallies recent days, he said that his children, grandchildren shown him how to make a Bitcoin, cryptocurrency transaction. I believe that if he wanted to learn, he already learned about it with support from his family members.

It's certainly that the elderly have more difficulties of learning new things but if they want, they can do their learning. Trump can do the same and that Bitcoin transaction can be done by his own efforts or with help from other people but if he already witnessed how to make a Bitcoin transaction for purchasing a thing, that's good than don't do anything.

He chose right time to do it for getting more support from Americans when the Election day is not too far.

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It is funny, but since he is a personality, some things are really just made ready for him, and go with it. Showing that he tried it is somewhat a win for crypto since it will be exposed and seen by people who might not be exposed to it. At least it's something. I always remember that he wasn't open to the cryptocurrency space before and have made some comments. It's never too late I guess.

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I like that he is putting some efforts into it. He got someone to tell him more about Bitcoin and how he can actually make use of technology in a day to day life. With this, many boomers who were not aware of how Bitcoin is different than Gold, will be able to understand that you can use Bitcoin for quick payments as well. This might be funny for you all who are already using Bitcoin from ages but it's interesting for the older generation.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 19, 2024, 01:02:12 AM

Trump didn't make any transaction with Bitcoin from the video I watched on FOX news. In fact he didn't look interested in it. He looked more interested in speaking to the "people at the other side" like he said after the dude in a face cap triumphantly announced that Trump was the first presidential candidate to make such transaction thereby making history. For the record I am indifferent to whoever wins. I'll leave that for the Americans to decide. Right now smart electorates will look at the policies of the presidential aspirants and make cast their votes on whichever one they feel appeals more to them.

Trump actually paid for the hamburger with bitcoin. But what I noticed in the video is that he did not really know how to make the transaction but get help to make the transaction.

This is the videos: https://youtube.com/shorts/KgVmMrUvOYA?si=Jm9SYOPG6taDXa0S

Also I do not care about who wins, American vote will decide who wins.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Everything he or Harris does in their campaign has no other purpose than to win more votes. Why do we only target and criticize him?

Yes, he is doing this for more votes and those who are supporting him are doing it for their own benefit. Likewise, those who vote for Harris expect to benefit from her policies.

And as you said: he can also learn and gain a little more knowledge about bitcoin, which is actually beneficial for both him and bitcoin since it has caught the attention of a presidential candidate. Meanwhile, Harris continues to ignore everything about bitcoin and as a bitcoin investor that makes me even more worried if she wins.

Given what is going on, it is clear that Trump will bring more good than Harris when it comes to crypto.

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I guess phrase "Better late than never" applies in this case. While i agree that it's his attempt to get more votes, at least it lets general public know that Bitcoin can used to pay goods and services.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 19, 2024, 01:02:12 AM

Trump didn't make any transaction with Bitcoin from the video I watched on FOX news. In fact he didn't look interested in it. He looked more interested in speaking to the "people at the other side" like he said after the dude in a face cap triumphantly announced that Trump was the first presidential candidate to make such transaction thereby making history. For the record I am indifferent to whoever wins. I'll leave that for the Americans to decide. Right now smart electorates will look at the policies of the presidential aspirants and make cast their votes on whichever one they feel appeals more to them.

Basically, Trump is the first US president to make a successful bitcoin payment, yet it'll be appalling if bitcoiners are forcing the whole process down his throat. From your response, the president may just be doing all this because he wants the community to vote for him. I'm 90% sure he wouldn't do all that when he climbs to the throne as president of America. For now, he's like any other investor showing out his excitement for bitcoin, could it be that the memory he's creating with bitcoiners would make impact to his behavior as a leader of America, we may not have been hearing him talk repeatedly about weapons and security in America.

Trump's Agenda is to make America great again, he rarely talks about bitcoin in his campaigns. The last time I watched him speak, it was all revolving around war, nuclear weapon, military, etc. However, should bitcoin be on his agenda, it's the least of what he's thinking about.

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Quote from: Die_empty on September 19, 2024, 12:02:12 AM

Politicians are movie actors. They take any acting role to get the support they need. Trump was criticised for not owning or using the currency he is promoting. Maybe this was why he had to do a public display of his first use of Bitcoin.

This is what I also think. They can do anything they want to get sympathy and support from the audience. Even they will do something that they deny before just to get benefit from what they do. The audience should be smart to act and can know what they should choose. If Trump want to get support, he needs to do a lot because making a first transaction in Bitcoin doesn't mean audience will really know what Trump did. Maybe that can affect to the market but we don't know for sure. But thanks to Trump because he know the "name" of Bitcoin because of that Grin

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Quote from: pooya87 on September 19, 2024, 01:55:48 AM

Trump must be getting too desperate, specially after the debate with that other candidate that cost him a lot of votes and even more when he refused for a second debate that cost him even more votes Cheesy

To be honest, I haven't watched the debate. I wanted to watch but I don't have a big desire, especially when I saw the highlights. As far as I know, he did a bad job in this debate while Kamala did more research and was more ready but I don't like her. By the way, his excuse for a second debate was that what happens when fighter loses? The fighter wants a rematch, it's not the winner who wants the rematch. So, according to Trump's logic, he did well, Kamala Harris lost and now she wants a rematch and Trump and his team will think about it. Trump is very narcissist, it's too much for an old man.

Quote from: pooya87 on September 19, 2024, 01:55:48 AM

In any case, this is a positive news for bitcoin even if it doesn't change anything for this silly candidate who doesn't even know how to use bitcoin and has to have someone handle the phone even... This is basically free advertisement for Bitcoin and it reaches a lot of people introducing bitcoin to them as a currency that they can easily use.

If you think that Trump is silly, please watch this: Kamala Harris Explaining The Cloud Storage
By the way, yes, it's a free advertisement of Bitcoin and that's positive for us.

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I can barely see Trump's face in this picture. This angle is ridiculous.

Also, didn't know you could buy hamburgers at a bar. That's pretty cool.

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on September 19, 2024, 01:08:08 AM

Did you see his new "crypto venture"? World Liberty Financial, which is just a DeFi exchange. I dunnno about you Poker Player, but every DeFI token/coing whatever the heck they call them, I've ever seen, has been very "scammy".

I can really only see Uniswap and other DEXes shitting their pants over this. It doesn't have any concern for other crypto companies at all. But having said that, DeFi exchanges (when marketed sufficiently) are money printers for their operators.

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Quote from: Die_empty on September 19, 2024, 12:02:12 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Politicians are movie actors. They take any acting role to get the support they need. Trump was criticised for not owning or using the currency he is promoting. Maybe this was why he had to do a public display of his first use of Bitcoin.

In a few days, I will expecting Kamala Harris to act her own script too Grin

Her campaign team will not rest, they will most likely be wanting to make their own transaction with bitcoins. Bitcoin is in the middle of all this drama, and will benefit from it, more people are knowing about it. After all this drama, it will not be strange or surprising to see either of the candidates begin to change their opinions on bitcoins when they get the votes they need that secures them the presidential position.

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Trump must be getting too desperate, specially after the debate with that other candidate that cost him a lot of votes and even more when he refused for a second debate that cost him even more votes Cheesy

He is now basically bribing people to vote for it.

In any case, this is a positive news for bitcoin even if it doesn't change anything for this silly candidate who doesn't even know how to use bitcoin and has to have someone handle the phone even... This is basically free advertisement for Bitcoin and it reaches a lot of people introducing bitcoin to them as a currency that they can easily use.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on September 19, 2024, 01:08:08 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Did you see his new "crypto venture"? World Liberty Financial, which is just a DeFi exchange. I dunnno about you Poker Player, but every DeFI token/coing whatever the heck they call them, I've ever seen, has been very "scammy".

But you're right. It's extremely evident that Trump has absolutely no real clue what bitcoin or cryptocurrency really is. I would LOVE it if someone came out and asked him if he could just describe bitcoin in a few sentences. It'd probably be a similar answer to what he gave when asked to name his favorite bible verse/testament lulz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERUngQUCsyE)

Never seen this one, it's a golden vid Grin

And I do agree - it's done purely for the votes and for the hype around it, unfortunately.
Some may blast their lungs out about Trump being a crypto savior, but the reality is much bleaker than that.

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Did you see his new "crypto venture"? World Liberty Financial, which is just a DeFi exchange. I dunnno about you Poker Player, but every DeFI token/coing whatever the heck they call them, I've ever seen, has been very "scammy".

But you're right. It's extremely evident that Trump has absolutely no real clue what bitcoin or cryptocurrency really is. I would LOVE it if someone came out and asked him if he could just describe bitcoin in a few sentences. It'd probably be a similar answer to what he gave when asked to name his favorite bible verse/testament lulz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERUngQUCsyE)

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Trump didn't make any transaction with Bitcoin from the video I watched on FOX news. In fact he didn't look interested in it. He looked more interested in speaking to the "people at the other side" like he said after the dude in a face cap triumphantly announced that Trump was the first presidential candidate to make such transaction thereby making history. For the record I am indifferent to whoever wins. I'll leave that for the Americans to decide. Right now smart electorates will look at the policies of the presidential aspirants and make cast their votes on whichever one they feel appeals more to them.

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Donald Trump has used Bitcoin to buy hamburgers at a Bitcoin bar and restaurant, which is popular in accepting Bitcoin at pubkey in New York City, hosted the former US President and 2024 Republican nominee for a campaign stop on Sept. 18. This act has now made him the first ex-US president to use cryptocurrency in a transaction .

https://cointelegraph.com/news/donald-trump-bitcoin-transaction-burger-nyc-bar

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 18, 2024, 10:41:43 PM

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Politicians are movie actors. They take any acting role to get the support they need. Trump was criticised for not owning or using the currency he is promoting. Maybe this was why he had to do a public display of his first use of Bitcoin.

Quote from: Helena Yu on September 18, 2024, 11:23:40 PM

Yeah this is ~~the first~~ Donald Trump's aide uses Bitcoin to buy a burger at a bar in New York.

As we can see Trump didn't even able to use phone and scan QR code using Bitcoin wallet, he really know what Bitcoin is!

Too bad the aide didn't get any spotlight even though he was struggle to pay using Bitcoin, I don't even know who's him after made some research.

It was Trump who authorized his aides to do the transactions on his behalf, so it was him. Aides can act for government officials if they get approval. Most of the actions most presidents take and done by members of staff.

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Yeah this is ~~the first~~ Donald Trump's aide uses Bitcoin to buy a burger at a bar in New York.

As we can see Trump didn't even able to use phone and scan QR code using Bitcoin wallet, he really know what Bitcoin is!

Too bad the aide didn't get any spotlight even though he was struggle to pay using Bitcoin, I don't even know who's him after made some research.

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One small step for Donald, one yuuge step for mankind.

Soon enough he will be debating against big blockers, supporting decentralization too. We all used to be newbies once.

The next US administration will be tha bomb once he gets elected.

Elon will take us to the moon with his ships and Donald will take bitcoin to the moon with his support for crypto.

We will really go to the moon this time and it won’t be a Hollywood production.

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Trump’s Bitcoin Transaction Makes History at NYC Crypto Bar – Will This Sway Voters?

I put it in quotation marks because he doesn't make it, it has to be made for him. Although it may have significant symbolism, a former US president and presidential candidate using bitcoin to buy some hamburgers, which he then handed out.

He is clearly trying to win the vote of bitcoiners but he could learn a bit more about it by now.

Topic: Lol. Trump "makes" his first bitcoin transaction. (Read 1014 times)