Topic: Looking for a public Addy for a 2013 BF lealana 1ltc #6586. SMOOTHIE? (Read 695 times)

the thing is some sellers do not even understand what is meant by the full address, look at this convo I had with a seller on ebay:

me:
do you have the COA's for these coins? or the full actual address?

seller:
There never where COA’s for these coins Florida neighbor

me:
ok. I know some do have them - some dont. I dont know all which do specifically.
do you have the public address though?

seller:
It’s on the coin label

me:
what do you mean coin label? the hologram?

seller:
I have 2 of these I will sell you for $25k cash each. That’s the prices for loaded graded coins. Have a good day

me:
I am asking you again - for the unfunded and buyer funded coins you are selling - do you have the full address?

seller:
Do you have the full amount needed? If you’re not familiar with anything use google. I already answered your questions the problem is you don’t understand the answer.

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They will not answer whether they have the full public address - instead deflect by trying to sell me loaded, telling me to go to google etc
So, my guess is they do not understand or they do understand and realize they are trying to get 3k USD for a paperweight.

Avatar? Oh snap I'm a full member now. Thanks.

Then why is there several people telling me he used to get them addresses for their coins? But I guess he is selective to which members he chooses to help? 🤔 Why can't he speak for himself?

I wasn't around early enough, but if he always said he won't share addresses, he shouldn't change that now. That's the risk of buying second hand coins. It's good to know before buying them though.

@OP: have an avatar That's all I could do for you.

Ghost of Satoshi > Ghosting of Lealana

I don’t even like Yoda yet I agree with him…. **(Watching the merit flood in lmao)**

Hey, all the points you guys are making are great if you are talking about someone that’s retired & sippin Mai Tai’s on the beach & no longer active on the boards & making new physical crypto. Can he speak for himself?  Not too much to ask.

1. I do not think the theorized narrative that Smoothie is "too lazy to lookup an address" is a good narrative. It fails to understand the proposed technicalities involved.

2. I doubt the proposed $100 per address lookup paid to Smoothie would even raise an eyebrow. I don't consider his motives fueled by money. There is something more behind his efforts then solely the motivation for capital.

3. Security, security, security. One small leak sinks great ships. Breaking protocol a single time can often result in the collapse of an entire operation. In this case you are assuming he does not have in place some protocol or internal rule when it comes to public address distribution.

4. When going hyper private, hyper secure and securing other people's cyber currency. There is no room for error. Error results in the collapse of an entire empire.

Casasscius went public and did everything in the open, Smoothie went private and choose to do everything in secret.

Two different ways to address the same problem. Two different strategies to approach the secure storage of cyber money.

Neither is better than the other.

This was very well put.

First off, I get it. I own multiple coins of his with no addresses. Its always the first question I ask. If there is no address I price coin accordingly. Sure it would be nice If Smoothie just posted a 100 page list of the ten thousand  coins he made. However I can think of reasons why he wouldn't. In order for him to give you an address he needs to make 100% sure that the address he gives you is connected with the PK under your hologram. Could you imagine the liability for him if he gives you an address  and the PK doesn't match for whatever reason. He then could be liable for the loaded amount. I mean were talking 10 thousand addresses over a decade old based on first bit and serial numbers. There is just no benefit for him to do it. He needs to spend time to research each coin and verify the address before he gives it out. Frankly I would be happy to pay upwards of $100 for his service to look up and verify an address. Your anger should really be placed with the buyer who sold you the coin. He should of made it very clear that the address was not available. I mean the original buyer is the guy who lost the address. On the bright side I think he has evolved over the years and has solved these problems in his newer coins.


  Smoothie- How about a pay service to look up addresses???

Well now that's different I've never heard of that so if you have any examples please post them.

I did see your comment on his death coin thread about stacks and bowers but you also have to understand that smoothie has dealt with lots of high-end customers simply through his email, who have paid extra to make certain things. That said, he also certainly reserves the right to sell whatever he chooses from his collection on s&b.

I get that you are pissed off but again this is America. 🤷‍♂️

From my understanding. People have got addresses from him in the past tho. I have heard this from several people. Since I made this post I started asking around. I got alot of different perspectives. This is why I don't even care about my coin anymore. I feel it has to be talked about.

I agree, but like I said when you made obligations to keep the lists between buyer->customer, that's it. end of. Perhaps he now regrets this (I think he probably does, actually at least for the BTC coins, but you cannot get a time capsule to get lists back if you don't have them either, so who knows)? Just exploring the different scenarios - Sure I have may talked to him off and over the past ten years about a ziillion different codign type things but I never asked about this, as it was pretty clear in the older auctions (if they are still available in wayback or on forum, I have not checked, as I don't have any vested interest in this, I just think people don't understand how time and business evolved here).

Does he regret this decision? I don't know, nor is it my business, but Yes, I would sure regret making that obligation to customers right now due to the pressure, but again, he probably doesn't really care. he knows his position and this is why he is not going to reply to ether mopar or yoda on his death thread either. Also, he's super busy as always with whatever next creation he has and the orders he has to fill etc etc..

Sorry again it is just what it is. I really don't try and take sides here, I see it from both angles but I'm just giving you the history so to speak. These coins went for super-cheap back in the day in his weekly auctions, silver and brass... Once a winner, the auction ended there, there was never any mention of if winner funded or not, nor any address lists except via GPG/PGP signed messages over PM's. 

Yeah no legal liability. But what about the people and the coins. That shows character. Like the public address is in some way able to access the funds? It makes no sense for him to do this. That's what I'm saying. Not to mention the red coas that popped up and gold plated coins no one saw. But ended up on a secondary seller market? 🤔 I'm saying it's shady. So i am calling it out. Because for some reason no one is. Which is weird because most ppl here are quick to call out shadiness or something that is off. Instead people just kiss his ass. It's crazy to me. I don't usually start drama and this is really the first time I have really spoke my mind on something like this. But I couldn't bite my tounge no more. I felt I had to say something about it.

Then what's up with the errors? Can he not get it right? Every coin since 2016 has had issues. But yet he looked at like one of the top physical creators? I don't understand.

Here's the thing tho. There was no real "Community" back then. You also have to consider the volume of coins he has sold as well without any apparent major issues. His record is incredibly spotless except for one mess-up on the King kaheman coins to the best of my knowledge.

Did he even keep the old BF coin lists? Would I have back then if I were him? Probably not... Why? I already told the buyer they would never be given out. It's about obligations as well here.

What's worse, betraying your old customers or giving in to the "Community"?  In his current state, you already know which as do I ...

He has a standard. That's it. I know it sucks, but it is what it is. As I said, he has no legal liability to do anything, and he's still making coins, so there is that, and I'm sorry that bothers you too, but hey, this is 'Murica, and people can do business the way they please. Not being a c*nt here, just stating the obv...

Cheers,
Owl

It shows character when the person let's his most prized coins die rather than to dig up the public addys. I for one will never buy lealana again. It shows me who he is to abandon the community and let these prized pieces become useless. I don't want anything to do with someone like that. I don't know why this has just been accepted when others make sure to make it public. It should be standard practice to put the addresses on a master list on the forum like so many others have. This is only one argument. There are several others as well.

Ok, so I'm not here to piss on anything or anyone, just try and shed some light on forum history here:

I understand this frustration, but you have to remember that smoothie has always stated he will never give the addresses out except to original buyers.

This is the privacy-centricness in him, which may have/probably led to (?) the Monero coins early in XMR history, as that is where I first actually interacted with him, the XMR development thread back when XMR first spun-up etc.

Also, have you ever read his websites TOS/TAC? (Warning SSL expired, or was never put in place, this site is very old: http://lealana.com/tac.php )

So yeah. I've been here almost ten years, and this was always a well known "thing" in his early auctions I was lucky enough to even watch lol.

Sorry, I know that's a shitty reply, but it is what it is. You can't make someone do something when they have zero legal obligation to do so, nor personal.

As far as the BF vs. Non-BF thing, I'm not going there right now, most people know my opinion on that as well.

Thanks,
Owl

I agree with this 100%.  A coin maker who is still active selling coins that let's his coins become paper weights says something when other makers release the public address lists. Then I have other collectors say they use to get addys from him a few years back for a few bits. But now he won't respond on ly ignore and let the coins become useless. How people get the coins is besides the point. In this case it didn't come with it so I was trying to see if I could obtain it. But as I ask around, I hear more and more people say the same thing.That smoothie has just abandoned his old coins and customers and that this is a very common issue among this community with lealana coins.  But is still here selling coins. So I figured someone has to say something. Because alot of people are just licking boots. So I figured I would speak up. It's not cool. I'm sure people will have their opinions but I'm just speaking my mind and it's not right he would treat the collectors and his coins like this. It's sad really. I'm not being hostile but just calling it like I see it. I'm saying what alot of people are thinking.  Trust me this isn't just about my coin. Because at this point I really don't even care about it anymore.

Yeah but Mike released the public addys too. 👀

I may be mistaken, but I think Mike did that with some of the Casascius bearer bars

as far as I know - he never sold funded items. People always funded the coins themselves - directly to the coins address.


My understanding is this:

Smoothie builds all the coins - for "FUNDED" you pay the funding to the coin directly (not to smoothie) before it ships.  for "BUYER FUNDED" you pay the funding to the coin directly (not to smoothie) after you receive it.

Thus the only difference between "FUNDED" and "BUYER FUNDED" for Lealana coins is when is the coin funded - before or after you have it.

As for not selling out all the new coins - these issues with addresses could be part of it and the price could be the other part.

it was near $400 for a 1 oz silver coin not including funding. That is over 20 times spot price of silver - now, yes there is the name Lealana - well known and typically well liked and sought after. And there is numismatic value - true.
But it seems like all these new makers and even the old makers - the past 3-4 years are trying to charge what you would normally see for prices on items after several flips/resales. Like they are trying to get the first half dozen flip profits right out of the gate.

Completely their choice but that will also drive away a lot of business. 

Yeah that's a good idea. But some have been investigated for money transmission. This is why smoothie doesn't sell funded items anymore. He has the buyer fund the items. But I totally agree.  If everything got a tiny amount just to add to blockchain. This would never happen. But also why a master public address list is also useful. Because so many coins never get funded.

I would just love to see a master list for the coins. My guess they're all on a thumb drive somewhere. It is just a inconvenience to do. But when talking about a decade of work and you just let the coins become paper weights? When you could probably make the list in a hours time. Idk the situation but I bet if I hit up almost any other current coin creator. They could produce a list. Since this situation, it seems this is a constant recurring problem. It sucks.

Why isn't smoothie held to the same standards as other makers?   I did notice he didn't sell out his new coins yet. Seems to be a sign of sorts.

"Smoothie, where is my full public address."

My opinion is every coin should be loaded with an amount by the creator with some amount around 0.00001 btc that way the Firstbits will almost always pull up the full public address,  problem solved.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/auction-mixed-lot-2014-ravenbit-bronze-2013-lealana-01-btc-brass-5468206

can anyone help with lot 3 an 4?

Vanitygen can easily do it. You can even do it yourself: match the first bits, but know the private key in the coin produces a different address so you'll need to keep the private key.

To me, it's a customer service issue. He will gladly sell new coins, but not help customers that possibly need the public address only that bought/traded/obtained a coin on the secondary market. Ravenbit, CI are a few examples of makers that offer this or the information is obtainable. I know opinions differ on this, but I will not be purchasing any of the newer Lealana releases by means of the Golden Rule. To each their own though.

I’m playing devils advocate here… you bought a buyer funded coin without the full public address with either 1) not doing the research to know that smoothie doesn’t give out such information or 2) knowing full well that was the case but expected a different result.

Not saying one person or the other is right. But I don’t hold smoothie at fault if this has been his policy for the entire time he has produced coins. I’m not an OG in the space so I’m not sure if it’s been a consistent practice he’s had or not, but if so then I’d say it’s your own fault for either of the two reasons above. If that hasn’t always been his practice, then I can definitely see the frustration.

Just my two sats as I’ve seen a few threads like this

Yeah that's a valid point. Would be hard to match the first bits but I'm sure it could be done.

Edit. But honestly it's 1ltc. So would it be worth it? I would take that risk right now to have my coin funded.

Seeing those King K coins auction with the coin not having the Coa or addys was a shame. How could you let your most prized coins become useless? That just tells me it doesn't matter, as long as people keep buying it never will. But it's a shame so many coins are just useless now. I know they still have some value but I didn't bid when the auction was reset and I'm sure many others didn't as well. It's a damn shame.

Then to just ignore old customers/collectors and sell your new coins? How is everyone just OK with that? That's not cool.

I missed the BF part, that makes it impossible indeed. And even if someone tells you an address, you'll need to trust them on it.

Yes it's a buyer funded coin. That was never funded. So it is near impossible to find it now. I have tried looking. That's why I'm here posting. It's the last shot I have.

At the end of the day. The public addys should be on a master list on btalk somewhere. This isn't hard to do. But he would rather his work be paper weights then to stand by his coins. I have dm him several times with no response. But if I message him asking about purchasing a new coin, I bet I get a response immediately. You don't see the problem with this?

This is easy to find on a blockchain, right? How can still be unresolved after a month and a half now?
No results.
There's only LbfzJoJzMxcFp6CVCMNpW4dkZkAD3hyYqW, but it doesn't match all first bits. Unless the address is empty already, in that case the search is a bit longer.

Was goin for crackin his keys without the laptop but yeah I hear ya.

Full disk encryption can be cracked with plain old GPUs. We don't even need quantum for that

"Hello, can you please provide the corresponding private key for that public address"

Just imagine the chaos.

Ok, this is a funny way to put it. Haha. 

Exactly.. if he’s got the private keys to give out, we gonna have to get a new scam coin made!  Backwards B’s galore 🤣


“Uh hello, is this Satoshi’s widow?”

“Yes, who is this?”

“I have all your late husbands public addys & I’d like the private keys so I can retire w/ a lot of hookers & coke”

“You dumbass, his laptop is encrypted & you’ll never get the keys until quantum computing makes a major advance in the next decade or so.  What do you think this is? A fuckin debit card scam operation?!”

I will say this - getting the full address would be like getting the card number sure - but to get the pin - that would be like getting the private key and no one here is asking smoothie or the seller of any coin to give up the private key in addition to the address.

There’s literally a thread on this board with 1,000’s of public addys.  This particular thread is about finding Zuki’s addy for his paper weight & smoothie not giving a single fuck about his customers after the sale is made… errors at no charge!

Hello Smoothie Klaus?? 🤣

If I have the initial few digits to your debit card, should I be able to ring-up your issuing bank and retrieve the full number?

Teller: "Hello, my name is Amy from chase bank on a recorded line how may I help you today?"

Hacker: "Hello, I forgot the primary account number to my debit card, but I have the first few digits"

Teller: "Sure thing! Please just read off whatever you've got, and I will locate your account for you."

Hacker: "Fantastic! You are so helpful! The first few digits to my number are 3049... "

Teller: " I located your account no problem. Here is your full account number."

Hacker: "Real quick, before you go, can I please get the pin for that, I forgot that also"

Teller: "Sure thing!"

Real companies have real data privacy provisions. The situation I outlined above is outrageous, but it illustrates the same concept we are debating.   

Ummm no to all that.  This sounds like a smoothie ass kiss to me… 🤣

I argue it is on the individual to secure his own full public keys.

Public keys are valuable pieces of data that must be stored properly by the new owner.

These are cryptographic technologies, to keep pace you need to develop proper infosec around them.

For example, what if I was a hacker who knows the first bits of your coins public key.  

If I am able to contact the manufacturer and retrieve the full public key by impersonation it would void the security and confidentiality of the product.

Hackers could gain access to the full public keys of coins owned by individuals they were targeting to determine their funding status.

If someone stole a picture of one of my coins and contacted the manufacturer like "Hey, can you please give me the full public key of this coin. I lost the address a few years ago." And the manufacturer provided the full public key, it would be a breach in security.





  

I was also in the "Not even worth a reply from Smoothie" club when I needed an addy for a paper weight.  Luckily the seller found it many months later & sent to me 

Good luck Zuki!

SM, same story here. He can log on and sell items, but unfortunately ignore established customers for what looks to be a simple request 

No. Was not disclosed. Tried messaging smoothie and offered a few bits for his time. But no response as usual. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I guess he would rather see his coins die and turn to paper weights.

Who was the last owner, do you know who you bought the coin from?

Thanks. Yeah it's a real bummer to see so many coins become paper weights. It's cool to see the newer coin makers put the addys on the coins. I have messaged smoothie offering to pay for his time to dig it up. (if he has a list) but I know he doesn't always respond. So I figured I would take one last shot before just peeling the coin. I really don't want to peel it. It's a long shot but figured I would try.

   I purchased awhile back some coins from Lealana and they all came with the pub addys on a spread sheet or word doc.

   Without that sheet my coins would be pretty much useless if it ever came to loading them.

    I do hope the original owner comes across your thread on your coin and you get closure in being able to load your coin!

Like the title says. Looking for the public address for a 2013 Lealana 1Ltc BF serial #6586. I know it's a long shot. But Maybe the last owner has it. Kind of sucks no master list exists.  So many paper weights out there.

First bits: LbfzJLRt

Thanks in advance. I have high hopes. Lol