Topic: Lunaland [scammed] huntters payment 1,500,000 LLN ($79,402.50 current price) (Read 561 times)

You must be very disappointed.

Unfortunately this is not the only one scam project. There are many other scam projects too which never pay to bounty hunters.

I am sure these scammers and Lunaland project owners wont find happiness in life as they will get curse from so many hunters.

Scam project of the year of 2021.

Already Reported

They can and it should be but the admin or project owner of maximum project do not do anything like these. As maximum of them have no idea about rank as well as reputation. As a result they might have no faith on the escrow service of the forum.

More surprisingly why we, the bounty hunters did not know that there were two campaigns running at the same time. That's not normal and if we had known before we could have raise concern about it earlier.

Now nothing is in control with us. If they had paid Andy500 participants, who knows they might pay us too. Keep the hopes alive.

Probably, they are becoming afraid seeing the bounty hunters getting to take action against them and perhaps decided to pay. Lets wait and watch.

I really understand that Royse777 is honest manager and i m also active participants of most the project promoted by him, i really understand Lunaland CEO is really a cheat who is not keeping his words according how they have discussed and this shows they are let his personality and reputation down. but my concerned goes Royse777 for not escrowing the bounty rewards before accepting to run the bounty with the project owner.

Next time if such campaign or project happens to consult him and hire him for promotion i think the best is thing to is escrow those funds by doing this he is as well securing the interest of his community.

If the reward for TheAndy500 is being distributed, why not Rouse777's one? Beside, this is weird that this project had two campaign running at once. How did they evaluate the worthiness of a campaign? I guess no way to evaluate the effectiveness. Haven’t seen such a project.

I believe most project would simply not hire a manager who looked for escrow the fund. There are Hhampuz & yahoo62278; two best & most trusted campaign manager. I haven’t seen them to escrow the fund as well. There's a risk always that campaign manager will scam. Project owner mostly don't know how the forum trust system works. They wouldn’t even care how much postitive feedback you have and the depth of the feedbacks. So, most likely, they would like to distribute the rewards themselves.

Personally I will suggest you not to take this type of project who have no trust on your service and fear to keep their bounty rewards (Token) on your hand. If they are hiring you as their bounty manager then obviously they should give you the freedom of keeping participants rewards. Sorry to say that its not only like that by doing this they are just losing their own reputation but also its gonna put affect on your service reputation too.

I can share one short story from my side where one of our forum bounty manager stole bounty rewards and didn't distributed properly. In that case I have contacted with the team and took step to start the distribution. They told me that they stopped their distribution after checking the final spreadsheet. Its because manager have added multiple account of his own and that was detected by them. After a long conversation with them they agreed to distribute the rest of the tokens and distribution was completed under multiple forum members surveillance. specially I wanna give thanks to all my forum mates who helped me that time to start the distribution process. After few weeks team distributed their tokens and I have withdrawn accusation against team.

But your one is different story and your suggestion for other managers is also accepted by me. More or less it is bounty managers responsibility to maintain proper rewards distribution by keeping the amount of rewards in advance or safe hand.

I will take a look on this project again and hope they will try to get listed on some popular exchanges. I will try my best to notify multiple exchanges who have worked with me and working currently. Hopefully they will reject their listing application after knowing that this project haven't distributed their bounty tokens yet. Lets see where the apply and when.

Do not hesitate to give me PM if you need further assistance from my end.

and I am surprised that this is happening again in the Royse777 campaign.
Royse777, I saw you started with workshop training for your bounty hunters, it's not a bad idea to filter out better quality hunters, but you definitely need to do better checks and have a better deal with campaign owners. this trend can certainly affect the future reputation and quality of your campaigns, and this does not attract more quality influencers.


They blaming bounty hunters because it suits them not to pay rewards. I saw on TheAndy500's group that some of the hunters ^{from the Shrew campaign} are paid off or at least partially. I'm just surprised there are no answers from the manager with reports and updates.

I have participated in Lunaland bounty campaign with Andy500, but havent got the reward. The last thing I saw in bounty chat people were saying that how happy they are that in Royse777 campaign they are getting paid and how bad our situation is with Andy500. But in general everything turns that both campaigns turned scam. So the total amount cheated is more than 1,500,000 LLN.

It's unfortunate that starting from the allocation reduction that doesn't match what is stated in the LUNALAND bounty thread, SHREW is also the same, there is a reduction in allocation, maybe there are some who get paid from SHREW but those who work on the signature campaign don't get anything, and those who try ask privately to the SHREW team got an unpleasant response with them being blocked without a good answer. Lunaland is even worse, the developers deliberately run away with various reasons that don't make sense and ignore all of us who have worked as they asked.

I'm also disappointed with Manager @TheAndy500 since the news of the reduction in allocations from two projects namely SHREW and LUNALAND, in contrast to Royse777 who until the end of the project still cared about bounty hunters, @TheAndy500 was completely silent and didn't care about us, then DUSKO with his reasons which makes no sense blaming the bounty hunters asking about the clarity of project allocation, I hope these two projects get what they deserve for their fraud, I personally thank Royse777 for a good job and care for the bounty hunters.

Again, so soon?


Found the rule because it was part of the pinned message in the Telegram channel.




Not sure if that's true yet.



Sounds like he is experiencing health problems, from what I gathered.

Now I'm not saying none of Royse's bounty hunters deserve to be paid, but I do have to wonder what the team was so angry about them in particular for.

Weirdly enough some of them have been paid.

kunnu received 1,100 tokens from the LunaLand deployer yesterday.

The LunaLand deployer has also sent tokens to:

dwinrs
zachyboy090118
Manish2809

and many, many others -- though most of them seem to be participants in TheAndy's bounty. You can check for yourself here:

https://bscscan.com/address/0x0b2c41768a40b3ae6820bd52c5532720723c5bd1#tokentxns

I like the part “ I need to do the calculations how much the campaign helped us raise presale, and also now our price has increased significantly so need to recalculate total token pool”. As if turns, that if with hunters help they would have risen more, they would have paid hunters a bonus  Or if the price would go down, they would recalculate also. What a shitty ceo.

There are no point asking them about it. I have watched the AMA last night, I had to fast-forward it all the time. All I was able to see that there was only one user who talked about Lunaland has cheated with the hunters.


https://youtu.be/zTRgj5vwQ60?t=1112
By the way, they are already doxxed.

Now the latest is on the telegram he is questioning my way of work, and he is trying to blame me that I did not do my job properly etc. I requested him not to message me again, but he continued. So he is blocked from there. If he has anything to say, then he will need to say it here.

Ask them to proof if any of the bounty hunter has posted anything against the Project. All the bounty hunters always write in the favor of the project on the social media. They are only using lame excuses to not to pay the participants. But if the bounty hunters unite and report their telegram, twitter handle and post about their reality, im sure they will get a dent in their progress.


Flag supported.
I will request all the bounty hunters to support the flag, currently only few are supporting.

Lunaland team scam. Don't invest this project and everyone should report their social media

Holding the tokens by the bounty manager (when he is highly trusted) or by  a trusted escrow before launching the campaign is the best solution for this type of situation in my opinion. I do not see any other better solution. If any other manager have a better solution, then I would love to hear it.

When holding the tokens by the manager/escrow, we need to give the project team the condition that they will need to send the ETH/BNB whichever it needs to distribute the token to the hunters at the time of distribution. Or manager will take action against them and even can tag the project.

In the case of a failed project, we may see that the team will not contact or response the manager to send the fees. Since the token are dead, they may stay in manager or escrow's wallet, or they can just burn it. In the case of a successful project and the token price are significant, then the manager or escrow can sell some tokens to cover the tx fee for distribution.

All managers need to practice this, in fact make it a common policy for all. If a manager do not take the tokens in their possession, then for any accident like this the manager will be liable.

Lunaland is coming with more excuses to justify their scam now. I have advised them to continue here if they have anything to say. If any more messages come from them on my Telegram then I will just block them.

By the way, I would request everyone to report their social channels so that those platforms take down the channels.


The public announcement on their telegram was this : https://t.me/lunalanddotio/53686

To me, their final post was:

Last night I saw the video of the AMA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTRgj5vwQ60

One hunter was asking about the bounty and telling them negative post in one comment.

As i see this, the bounty was only for 3 weeks, so people didn't care much if they announced to pay the token after end of three weeks.

What i have seen mostly that if the token gains value, the project owner, don't want to give valuable token free of cost to the bounty hunter. They forget that it is because of these bounty hunters the token gain popularity on social media and here on bitcointalk.

Sadly there is nothing more to do here. The account being flagged also seems to spew a lot of delusional posts in the their last posts, clearly showing that they have no intention to run the project in a legitimate manner.

Who is to blame for this? I would say every person who believe in such projects. If they are spending time on such a project making is popular on social media, writing articles (the other bounty campaign) then one must have a reason to back their beliefs. Problem is that most hunters just join in because it is free and attempt a zero sum gamble.

Have supported the flag but this will never bring back the time and effort the bounty hunters had put in and I doubt if majority of hunters even understand clearly what a flag is here.

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I think if @TheAndy500 would also add in their comments about this, it would be good for the community. I have seen more than one bounty being done, but I would like to hear what the previous manager had been through. But they have been offline for sometime now.

Exactly my thoughts,  clearly this bounty was pronounced as weekly payment bounty which means participants are to get paid every week before the next week campaign commence, if that was not implemented in the beginning then there is no need to blame a scammer for refusing to pay now that project is successful and doing well,
It's about time escrowing bounty funds is taken seriously, this goes to other bm's as well, opening scam accusation afterwards don't usually serve any good. The hunters will just accept it.

Two scam project again abusing this forum by hiring and not paying. First was Shrew campaign and the next week this Lunaland came out of nowhere. All with the same credentials being from UK and same style of promotions. Dusko by the way worked with Shrew Advisory Board first then came up starting his own. No question why these two act the same.

I personally trust Royse777 very much. I have participated in almost all of Royse777's campaigns. But it is very sad that some of his campaigns have problems with payment. For example, LunaLand scam, DogePorn did not pay, Hunters thousands of complaints about CoinChum's payment. So I think bounty tokens should be escrowed like Neoxcard campaign. Otherwise your reputation will be ruined gradually. Bounty hunters don't want scam accusation, they don't want any report, they just want payment for their time and labor. LunaLand has run two bounties at the same time.
1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-lunaland-fly-me-to-the-moon-150000-pool-4-weeks-duration-5346492  - managed by TheAndy500
2. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lunaland-fly-me-to-the-moon-bounty-15000-in-lln-5348797  - managed by Royse777.

So the amount of total scam will be more.

It's completely legit question. Yes they can of course, but think from their side from the side of a genuine team. For them, the token worth a lot. They have no idea how the community operates. Who are trusted members. Anyone with forum experience knows who to trust, but for a newbie it's totally a different place.

Remember the topic about Small Rabbit? I had some explanation there:

Lately, I am in fact putting pressure to teams to send tokens in my possessions. Most of the time, it just does not work the way you want, by the way.

I may talk to other campaign managers that we need to have a common practice, which is to ask project teams to send the tokens to us before starting a campaign. A manager must ensure that the tokens are in his possession or someone highly trusted on the forum is holding the tokens. Here, another concern will be what if the team do not pay the escrow the fees to distribute the tokens? In this case, my suggestion will be:
1. If the token price worth good money then the escrow will sell some tokens to cover the fees and rest will be distributed to the hunters
2. If the token price do not worth anything, then the tokens are just burned I guess.

Man, that's a sad story.

I have a question (forgive me, I have no experience in bounty management). Can't those guys first get the tokens into a trusted escrow before the bounty campaign begins, since they mint them from a thin air anyway?

That way there will be no stupid bending of rules by the scammers like they did.

Tagging and supporting the flag.

Please support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2820

Bounty payment sheet (Payment Sheet ALL): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZK7T7rU6z0yuKSZeWyIi_Znle8Dpze0ocLiS7WIY9Mg/edit?usp=sharing
Bounty thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lunaland-fly-me-to-the-moon-bounty-15000-in-lln-5348797

Scammed amount: 1420111.11111152 LLN ($75,173.58) to be exact according to the bounty sheet.
The above amount on the OP was total allocation for the bounty.

I have exported the chat history. If anyone wants to see the exported data of the entire chat history, then PM me or request me here for it. Only highly trusted members who have years of reputation on the forum can have the copy if they want. For privacy and other reasons, I am not going to open it up in public.


The last response to me from Lunaland team:

Latest chat screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/A8rFpg5

tl;dr;
From 4th August since I have given them the final sheet they were making accusations after accusations. Until today, I was considering them somehow valid, but after the last message it's clear that all of it were excuses. They were doing it to find a way, to convince me that the hunters are in fault here, and they do not want to pay the hunters.

Their first accusation: The bounty campaign did not make them money, so they will reduce the allocation. In their word,

After my disagreement, I suggested them to review the works and let the good hunters to pay. They agreed.

Their 2nd accusation: The hunters will dump their token/project. I said to them that the hunters need to get paid, and I explained why they need to get paid. Lunaland team agreed that they will review the work and let me know on the next day (August 10th).

August 13th I asked for update, they wanted more time.
August 14th I asked for update, they wanted more time. The excuse was that they are too busy with the project, and that made sense to me. We had some price movement chat about their project, and they wanted time until the end of the week.
August 17th, we had some other chat and promised me that they will work out final allocation after checking the sheet.
August 22nd, after asking them about the progress they asked me a lot of question about how to check the reports and our conversation ended with giving them instructions.
We continued conversation ... I was putting pressure
August 27th pressure increases and they were due to done reviewing by that day. In the meantime, with many more accusations

Their 3rd accusation: On their last AMA the hunters accused their project of being a scam…

From 28th morning (today) I was chasing them until I got the reply that I quoted at the starting of the topic.

And finally, when I am working on creating this topic they have more to say:

It's pointless to reply there.

ANN: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-lunaland-a-digital-currency-harnessing-the-power-of-the-blockchain-5346079
User: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lunaland-3347616
Project: https://www.lunaland.io/
Socials:
https://www.facebook.com/LunaLand-104535581879219/
https://twitter.com/IoLunaland
https://t.me/lunalanddotio
https://www.instagram.com/lunaland.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lunaland/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPfFZksXwohPMzE7OyZiKRg
https://discord.gg/HakqTNyTdU

Scammed amount: 1,500,000 LLN
In current market price $0.052935*1,500,000= $79,402.50
Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/tzbABCq
Live price chart: https://www.livecoinwatch.com/price/LunaLand-LLN

The project team is clearly a scammers, the same goes with the project.

I am going to tag their account and going to update here with the flag.