Madness! The Iranians Get to Self Inspect in Secret Side Deal

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 20, 2015, 12:48:29 PM

Quote from: redandblack on August 20, 2015, 12:45:18 PM

If this isn't part of the deal they made with us and our allies then how would voting against it make a difference?

This deal had nothing to do with us

It IS the entire inspection regime...hard to verify treaty when the folk responsible for that are also the folk in violation...

when was the last time Israel had a inspection?

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They really need to create a Nobel Prize for idiocy and blatant treason. Obama and Kerry would be co-recipients. The more we hear about these secret deals via a UN, the worse it looks. Anyone thinking this deal is a good thing, must be in a coma.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 20, 2015, 01:15:21 PM

To the best of my knowledge and contrary to the regimes story line...no

That is my understanding as well. So the next question posed is why would the IAEA enter into a precedent setting agreement with the Iranians when they wouldn't permit other states, e.g., North Korea, to inspect themselves? The more we know about the JCPOA and the related side agreements the curiouser and curiouser the conduct of the Obama administration and IAEA become.

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Quote from: umzza on August 20, 2015, 01:04:44 PM

Has the IAEA ever entered into an inspection and verification agreement with any other country previously where the country inspected itself?

To the best of my knowledge and contrary to the regimes story line...no

Quote from: abasin on August 20, 2015, 12:55:37 PM

No it's one site

The one responsible for making the bomb trigger...nothing to see...move on.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 20, 2015, 01:02:16 PM

The only comedy here is your own nonsense. The U.N. inspectors will be there every step of the way; http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/with-un-blessing--iran-deal-permits-country-to-inspect-itself-at-nuclear-site-508938307752 There's always somebody out there popping off with the lies.

AP says that the UN is the happy group that signed the side deals that let the Iranians inspect themselves...The lies seem to be coming from the regime, as usual.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 20, 2015, 01:11:50 PM

Nope, wrong again as usual. Did you not watch the video? U.N. inspectors will be on hand every step of the way. If you have a link disputing that claim post it. Otherwise, your counter argument is mute and useless.

If UN inspectors will be on hand every step of the way why does the side agreement between the IAEA and Iran permit Iran to do the actual inspections at Parchin? Why doesn't the UN simply do the actual inspections since, as you suggest, they will be on hand every step of the way?

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Quote from: ezly on August 20, 2015, 01:06:52 PM

No they won't. They will be given PHOTOS taken by the Iranians. Period.

Nope, wrong again as usual. Did you not watch the video? U.N. inspectors will be on hand every step of the way. If you have a link disputing that claim post it. Otherwise, your counter argument is mute and useless.

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Quote from: umzza on August 20, 2015, 01:04:44 PM

Has the IAEA ever entered into an inspection and verification agreement with any other country previously where the country inspected itself?

Never.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 20, 2015, 01:02:16 PM

The only comedy here is your own nonsense. The U.N. inspectors will be there every step of the way; http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/with-un-blessing--iran-deal-permits-country-to-inspect-itself-at-nuclear-site-508938307752 There's always somebody out there popping off with the lies.

No they won't. They will be given PHOTOS taken by the Iranians. Period.

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Quote from: umzza on August 20, 2015, 01:04:44 PM

Has the IAEA ever entered into an inspection and verification agreement with any other country previously where the country inspected itself?

No, this is what Obama meant by "unprecedented verification".

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Has the IAEA ever entered into an inspection and verification agreement with any other country previously where the country inspected itself?

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Quote from: katilja on August 20, 2015, 12:47:27 PM

Remind us again what the negotiations were supposed to do. Why did we bother to negotiate at all?

The Iranians wanted nukes and Obama wanted a piece of paper. Everyone got what they wanted.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 20, 2015, 12:41:20 PM

I'm sorry, but I do not believe even the Democrats are stupid and partisan enough to vote for the obamaBomb deal when they find out that the secret side deals about verification of the Nuclear deal has the IAEA letting Iran inspect itself!!!

VIENNA (AP) — Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
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Not even comedy writers would consider this sort of idiocy funny....Yet the Regime does. No wonder they kept the side deals secret.

The only comedy here is your own nonsense. The U.N. inspectors will be there every step of the way; http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/with-un-blessing--iran-deal-permits-country-to-inspect-itself-at-nuclear-site-508938307752 There's always somebody out there popping off with the lies.

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Quote from: abasin on August 20, 2015, 12:54:22 PM

He didn't this is not the deal Kerry negotiated this is the side deal with the IAEA

Doesn't sound like this site was part of if

Iran doesn't get to make side deals. Not if we are supposed to take them seriously. Launch the bombers and leave huge smoking craters where the nuke sites used to be. We don't need boots on the ground. Anytime we catch a whiff of a nuclear site, we drop a bomb on it. It will end their nuke program and give our bomber pilots some practice, and remind Iran who the biggest dog on the block is. And we need to hit it now before Russia upgrades their air defenses.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 20, 2015, 12:48:29 PM

It IS the entire inspection regime...hard to verify treaty when the folk responsible for that are also the folk in violation...

To provide a fig leaf for our appeasement and surrender...they get the bomb, we get to pretend they don't...

No it's one site

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 20, 2015, 12:46:44 PM

Well then we shouldnt have wasted a minute on it. When our President is presenting it to us, and we've had sanctions on them....well shouldnt it have something to do with us???

He didn't this is not the deal Kerry negotiated this is the side deal with the IAEA

Quote from: katilja on August 20, 2015, 12:47:27 PM

Remind us again what the negotiations were supposed to do. Why did we bother to negotiate at all?

Doesn't sound like this site was part of if

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The revolution will be monetized!

Quote from: KriszDev on August 20, 2015, 12:41:20 PM

I'm sorry, but I do not believe even the Democrats are stupid and partisan enough to ...

I'm going to refer to this quote whenever someone asks me "what is irony?"

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And another thing...One must recall that Lord Halifax Kerry has advised us, one and all, that we have nothing to worry about because we will know in advance if the Iranians cheat...after all, we have a fine inspection and intel services here...why how could the Iranian inspectors miss Iranian cheating and the same folk who sort of missed the fall of the Soviet Empire are surely going to give us warning.

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Quote from: Adamsux on August 20, 2015, 12:49:53 PM

Total garbage.

Barack Obama is a joke.

It's not obama that is to blame here. It is the host of enablers in Congress that make all this stupidity possible. If they simply voted for the country and not party, this would go to the ashbin of history.

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Total garbage.

Barack Obama is a joke.

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Quote from: katilja on August 20, 2015, 12:47:27 PM

Remind us again what the negotiations were supposed to do. Why did we bother to negotiate at all?

To provide a fig leaf for our appeasement and surrender...they get the bomb, we get to pretend they don't...

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Quote from: redandblack on August 20, 2015, 12:45:18 PM

If this isn't part of the deal they made with us and our allies then how would voting against it make a difference?

This deal had nothing to do with us

It IS the entire inspection regime...hard to verify treaty when the folk responsible for that are also the folk in violation...

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Quote from: redandblack on August 20, 2015, 12:45:18 PM

If this isn't part of the deal they made with us and our allies then how would voting against it make a difference?

Remind us again what the negotiations were supposed to do. Why did we bother to negotiate at all?

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Quote from: redandblack on August 20, 2015, 12:45:53 PM

This deal had nothing to do with us

Well then we shouldnt have wasted a minute on it. When our President is presenting it to us, and we've had sanctions on them....well shouldnt it have something to do with us???

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 20, 2015, 12:44:30 PM

Inspecting themselves? Lets just realize this means no inspections.

Why not just admit we caved in. It might not feel good, but at least it's honest. This "deal" seems like everything for them, nothing for us.

This deal had nothing to do with us

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If this isn't part of the deal they made with us and our allies then how would voting against it make a difference?

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Inspecting themselves? Lets just realize this means no inspections.

Why not just admit we caved in. It might not feel good, but at least it's honest. This "deal" seems like everything for them, nothing for us.

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Think about it for a minute...we provide them a route to a 'legit' weapon, we provide the funding for the program, and we let them inspect themselves! What do we get out of this....Obama gets a photo op and we all get to hope their bomb does not go off too close to our home.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 20, 2015, 12:41:20 PM

I'm sorry, but I do not believe even the Democrats are stupid and partisan enough to vote for the obamaBomb deal when they find out that the secret side deals about verification of the Nuclear deal has the IAEA letting Iran inspect itself!!!

VIENNA (AP) — Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
Read More

Not even comedy writers would consider this sort of idiocy funny....Yet the Regime does. No wonder they kept the side deals secret.

i think i will stay on the west coast now...i hope they aim for washington d.c. but they will probably go for New York City

KriszDev

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I'm sorry, but I do not believe even the Democrats are stupid and partisan enough to vote for the obamaBomb deal when they find out that the secret side deals about verification of the Nuclear deal has the IAEA letting Iran inspect itself!!!

VIENNA (AP) — Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
Read More

Not even comedy writers would consider this sort of idiocy funny....Yet the Regime does. No wonder they kept the side deals secret.

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