Topic: Madness/Insanity in sports betting/gambling (Read 360 times)

Most of them are unable to achieved more wins, but chances that there are gamblers who manage to make certain streak due to this kinds of beliefs.

Thinking that performing rituals adds up luck that provides them the win.

certainly. It's not something that easily been done, A madman delusion can do both, either win or lose but no accurate results.

You nailed it! better deal it yourself and create your own system, believe on it and wait till luck permits you to win!

I guess life is full of predictions and not just sports betting, lol.
If I agree that people who keep making predictions are crazy, then it looks like it can be ascertained that everyone on earth is crazy, right.
Well, a crazy person who was asked for the clock and it turned out to be wrong, I don't think it's a prediction because for me a prediction is where someone does research first until finally someone can provide an answer for a prediction. It is very different about the lunatic you ask, because the lunatic just talks carelessly without doing any prior research, right?

There are many gambling addicts around the world who use different rituals to improve their chances of winning, but in the end, they cannot achieve many wins.
 I don't think any madman can make a correct prediction through the delusions he has in his mind.
 You can use a coin and draw a small circle on the ground and determine the face of each club, and in the event that the piece falls outside the circle, you can go with the result of a draw! This method would be much better than advice from crazy people.

Well for me it is not strange at all.That is because when I first started playing sport betting in the beginning I used to copy the guys who were boasting their knowledge in the lotto bar.I thought I am a noob now so I have to copy them.

Even now when in big frustration I go to predictions websites and choose to follow one of them.

That is also happening in reality as some gamblers asking about the prediction to the insane person. But for the result, we do not know if they win because of the prediction or lose, but the thing will still happen to them. If they lose, they will think that is okay as they are asking the insane person who does not know about gambling. If they can think that they need to stop doing that, they need to search for other ways to have more information instead of asking an insane person.

That is just a superstition that is being promoted by a lot of movies that portray insane people as something that they really aren't and most of the time they are inaccurate so smooth brain people think that the movie is real and try to imitate the exploitation of this mentally deranged people. Stop this kind of thing if you are doing it because it isn't real and you are only contributing to the problem that is exploitation of mentally unhealthy individuals.

More like prediction with a good timing and people take it as if it was real. I don't think there's a spirituality with gambling unless you make it as your religion, everything about gambling is about strategies (often through honesty but I guess there's some twist of dishonesty on some of them) and luck, that's what I truly believes.

I never stumble upon a trend like this and I don't even consider it as a trend it's more like exploitation to me and I don't even have to call them that insane. It's more like exploitation since we never know if the insane person you're talking are favorable that they are used in predictions or they even asked on their consent. I heard a such but it doesn't become huge (I suppose) but even if it becomes huge the hype will totally slows down once there's a wrong prediction then more wrongs follows.

I think they believe that as they can search for the other people who can predict the number with the right because sometimes, I heard that some guy in my town could predict the number that will come out precisely.
I do not know if he really has a special ability to know what will happen later or that just by coincidence, but I prefer to say that it is about coincidentally that can make that guy predict with the right.
But they can not always predict with the right as I think that ability will not always come to them.

The insane guy is only giving the random number, and people follow that, and suddenly, the numbers come out and make that person wins.
As I said before, that will coincidentally happen to that insane guy, and we do not have to seriously follow what he said because we never know if that is right or not.

Somehow this is also the case in my country, some gamblers believe in Mad/Insane people to choose certain numbers to make them win. Maybe this is a bit funny and I personally don't believe this either. But somehow many people do this.
Just imagine, they put their luck by asking these people.

Yeah, that's it. They pick randoms numbers or answers to get their luck. When they are once lucky and win, they will believe again to get another number from them. This is not a prediction, this is only what they believe and likely something usual to get some luck.

I would not blame anyone if I followed willingly and he is not asking in return if you win, there are lots of tipsters in the space that are willing to give their picks for free, however,  they will not guarantee that you will win, they'll say "follow at your own risk", so it's still up to you to decide in the end whether you follow or not.

Straight to the point, mind your own business and play according to how you understand the game. There's always people who will
follow this kind of tips hoping that luck will accompany them and win.

But for sure regret will happened once the pick turned against them and losses their money, you have your own knowlegde, it's always better to rely on it instead of following someone, it's acceptable when you lose as you always find the lesson and try to improve your chances.

Well, it could be fun but in sports betting you could actually come up with your own predictions without over analysing your bet, especially when you're a fan of such sports.
Just like you said, why would I trust someone's prediction If I can make my own because Im a fan of such sport. And why would I make a prediction out of an insane person lol.
Maybe asking an insane person for lottery combination is more funnier than asking for a sports betting prediction.

All I can say is don't think too much about that. That's not even a big deal.

It's entirely up to the people if they will follow a certain prediction or not. The same goes for what will be your approach.

Simply ignore them, focus on your own, and don't take your gambling experience on that level of thinking.

 
Sometimes too much analysis could kill the fun but could well save people's money, even though is not all that it's required to win the house. Also, too much analysis is another form of craziness and so I don't advise anyone to put too much effort into that.
Just play for fun for God's sake! 

trying to analyze it yourself is much more calming than following someone else...
just like you, for some things like soccer betting, I prefer to analyze it myself. following other people's choices is not bad but when we lose, we will blame that person.

Sometimes too much analysis might kill the fun so maybe that is the reason .

I mean why would you ask a mad or an insane person for picks instead of asking from an experienced and tested tipster. I don't ask others for picks or suggestions although I google about the players involved and various things like the injury update and who is playing today like in NBA some players are often rested for dead rubbers.

Asking for picks/bets from others is not worth in my opinion sane or insane because if they were actually good, they won't be giving away picks instead earn money themselves. Somewhere they know the picks will fail overall and lose will prevail.

Different people have different superstitions and I cannot say anyone is wrong or right. A friend of mine when he gambles, for some reason he keeps his legs folded and believes it works for him. I was wondering if these things are actually working because some of the players at the highest level like Nadal also have superstitions with bottles and all.

Asking an insane person for tips might work for some like the octopus was introduced who would pick a football team and they will just go on to win, I mean yes it might be a coincidence or it might be something supernatural but as long as it is not hurting someone else and works for you, I don't see a problem. The problem starts when your superstitions are hurting others.

Insane guys predict with a basis that is unrealistic, why would anyone follow them? Unless their pick is winning even though its coming from nowhere, then people will just blindly follow. Sports betting is so tricky, we thought on some games its a sure win but in reality it isn't because it's just a trap, that's why I only try to analyze myself and don't follow anyone blindly.

are those group of sane people didnt know that what they asked for tip insane kind of person ? if i know he is i wont asked him for tips because he is only going to give random tips but gambling is about luck too so what he may gave can possibly occur but maybe not too often .

insane person is sure of his bets even if its not based  on real analysis but being sure is i think much better than being confused in your bets but there is no proof that it attracts luck/win .

Pareidolia doesn't necessarily means that they will worship it, they just have a different perception on the object to the point that they see a pattern that resemble something but you are right this has some similarities with it but I don't think that an unstable state of mind is going to be a helpful thing for gambling in general no matter how you look at it, everything that will happen will just be a coincidence, not to mention that they just want an excuse to gamble more because of their belief that insanity can help them predict the odds.

What is this? I don't know if I find this question funny or straight weird.

Anyway, it seems you are simply overthinking here. There's madness/insanity everywhere, not just in sports betting or gambling. We are all insane and crazy in one way or another. We are all crazy and mad in another's eyes.

Everybody can predict, give their opinion, analyze, and so on. I mean every single person, may he/she be an expert or outright ignorant. The problem with underdeveloped countries is that there is poverty and ignorance and, of course, extreme laziness as well. People are so desperate to get out of their abject living condition in the easiest way possible that they would even try their luck on a deranged person.

I have seen this myself. A seemingly normal person asking for a lottery number combination from a mentally-ill person. My goodness! If this is the way people think to get out of poverty, I'm afraid they will remain there all their lives.

"this seem to attract them some luck in predictions as what you believe often comes to be" I'm sorry but this statement doesn't make sense. The madman can believe as often as he can it's past 4pm, the time will never change. And if it is just 11am in the morning as you say, it will remain 11am in the morning... I really think insane and autistic people can make interesting predictions because they see things in an other way than common people but it has nothing to do with wishful thinking.

This can be similar to pareidolia meaning someone that can see unusual patterns from an object then they tend to worship it. If people around that insane person thinks that he predicts correctly the result of sports betting or anything related to gambling then they will suddenly think that insanse person must have an ability that a sane person doesn't have. Even if it is just a coincidence, they are blinded by their greed to win in gambling. I would just believe that insane person has extraordinary powers if he can correctly predict the result of lottery thrice in a row.

If you google about such a phenomenon as trash streams, you will find much more unpleasant things. I myself was surprised to learn that streams are popular in the modern world where one person mocks another person. Even if the second person tolerates this attitude voluntarily (for money or for some other reason), in my opinion, such content is unacceptable.

First off, there are no "insane people". There are people with certain psychiatric conditions and not all of them entail losing critical reasoning. A great example would be John Nash, a mathematician who won a Nobel Prize for Economics, though he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. It is true, that sometimes people with such conditions can come to conclusions, to which normally people wouldn't come. However, that may be the case in something that requires analysis and thinking and personally, I don't find gambling and predictions to be in that group. Also, I do not believe that any kind of people can "attract luck", that sounds superstitious and just weird. 

Sane or Insane people it doesnt really matter because odds or chances would really be just the same.Thing that differs here is on how these people would

able to accept the outcome which its clearly as day on who would be the one will really be not showing some care at all even if they do lost money. 

So im not seeing any point in comparing the two since chances are really just the same on the time you do make out bets.

Nope, I wouldn't believe on it I think if they would just rely on others prediction on betting or gambling might as well do it on their own don't bother anyone else.
If you're a normal person you would also know that those who have mental issue would just answer your question randomly you couldn't have a normal conversation on some of them,
So it would just be a waste of time and money if you just want to waste your money then do it on your own.
But we all have our superstitious belief even in gambling but let's not get too addicted to it to the point that we would even bother those who have mental health issue.

Exactly, this is what is at play here as, the insane guy has got zero statistics or reasons of any sort for his pick. He just picks numbers in a random pattern and live gamblers to hope for the best. Thats exactly what it is. Should a gambler place his fate in the hands of the insane guy, its simply due to disbelief in his ability to completely randomise his or her pick, a virtue the insane guy possess.

I might as well take a screen shot the next time I see this and do my best in protecting the identity of the fellows when next I encounter one so, you'll have a chance to see this. A very lucrative business indeed for an insane.

So you're telling me this is an actual thing? Personally, I've never heard of anything like this before. In a game of chance, the probability of a insane person predicting a result is essentially the same as the probability of flipping a coin or dice to foresee the outcome. Causality does not exist in a game of chance.

Paranoid people, being prone to delusional thinking, have a much greater predisposition to insane gambling.

I haven’t encountered this type of person ever in my entire life, be it in a physical casino or so far in online casinos, and I don’t think there is a sane person who would believe the predictions of a mentally unstable person but I would love to encounter one though if it exists in my country. Maybe it was just pure coincidence if he did won most of the time, but then again; who knows right?

Honestly, I have not encountered this, and I don't think I will employ or use this method even in a luck-based game, if ever the prediction turns out to be correct this does not mean that he accurately predicted it's just a coincident, there are no reports of this in our country and it's an insult for a sane man to ask for the results to an insane guy, we are the one who can think clearly and logically.

If it's a luck-based game, and if I don't care if I win or lose I might implement this but not on a sports betting when you need to analyze the situation.

I guess that could be they can not find how to win that game, so they do that because they realize that it does not make sense they do that.
How can they get the right prediction by asking that person who does not know anything about the game?
I think they really want to win on that games, so they do many things, including doing that thing.
I do not know any spirituality that can help a gambler win because that is out of my mind, and I can not believe it.
If they think that they can help them win and are still doing that, we can not say anything.

Mental illness is a very serious matter. I don't think these people who are sufferring aforementioned sickness are capable of predicting such winning random numbers. Maybe it's just a mere coincidence that the tips they uttered was drawn. It's still a matter of perspective though. Like what they say, you attract what you think of.

However, I don't believe in such things. The repercussions are high if you'll bet and risk your money to uncertain and baseless things. It's still much better to use some techniques and strategies in order to win in gambling. The probability of you winning using acquired knowledge and techniques is much larger compared to using the advice of a mentally-ill person.

Maybe because of the frustration experienced by some gamblers who are always wrong in predicting the results of sports betting. Finally looking
for other alternatives by trying to trust the results of predictions made by insane people, even though we know these insane people do not have
the knowledge of sports as well as our knowledge. It's the phenomenon that happens a lot these days. In fact, not a few insane people impose
expensive rates for the predictions that there are still people who are interested in paying them. Sometimes the greed to be able to make big profits
from sports betting makes some gamblers think irrationally.

Makes absolutely zero sense.

The probabilities of an insane person winning at a game of pure chance is precisely the same as the probabilities achieved by a sane person. Neither of them can predict with certainty what the next roll holds for them.

If you think otherwise, you're the madman - it's basic laws of maths.

Praying is some sort of ritual, since time every culture has gods that they call to succeed. I guess they also apply that to sportbetting to have some luck. I would really believe that a person is favoured by god if he wins a bet on an underdog highschool team against an NBA champion.  But it doesn't work that way that is why sportsbettors has to analyse the abilities of the players/boxers before betting for probability for its still a game of chance.



I remember a movie when a parent asked if his kid with autism can live normally and then a therapist/psychologist asked back to define normal.  Maybe what is normal to someone isn't normal for the other person.

Absolute bs lmao. Idk what made you believe in "luck" approaching people that have said mentality, but if it was real, we wouldn't be seeing people go under debt due to gambling, nor families breaking apart and whatnot due to gambling. That's just putting madness in a pedestal, one that seems reliant on a stupid reason, and probably even pushing the idea that going mad for gambling is fine. I guess there's a reason for luck to approach people, and yes, we can consider people with luck "abnormal" since they're different from others, but it definitely isn't due to being mad/insane.


See, this part already went pretty bad. The first half and the second half had no correlation AT ALL. You just basically forced it, there isn't any proof or any reasoning to it, it's just because he stood for what he thinks, and that's why you immediately assumed that luck approached him. You might want to check if this friend of yours is still okay or something. He is reasoning that abnormality and mental disorder is the gateway to winning luck-based games.

If you talk to a psychiatrist, he would tell you that everybody is crazy. There isn't a single 100% mentally normal person. We all have mental diseases. It only becomes dangerous when our mental illnesses goes above a certain crazy level.

So, to answer your question...

There isn't a single normal guy making guesses in the first place.

Considering anyone can have beliefs whether they are insane or not and also if these beliefs do come to pass, then it means that anyone can do it. You don't have to necessarily be insane to do it. I think the major point I'd like to make here is the fact that, an insane person will go all out and take certain risks (without minding the consequences)  compared to a sane person who would often choose to be considerate and manage risks. And truth be told, nothing is achieved from playing things safe.. Sometimes you've to go all in and I think that what gives an insane person a slight edge. Other than that, it should be the same.

I maybe could call myself insane as I can follow a tipster and pay for the pick if the pick is really legit.

In sports betting, we have these people who really give their time in studying game and analyzing it to get the best bet, and they don't need win all the time, that's something we need to understand as a bettor but winning most of the time will already make us profitable.

I don't care if they charge with serious amount if I'm winning and I'm gambling with a decent amount, at the end of the day, it's just business and win-win for both parties as both have benefited.

thats what the situation is presenting here. lol they are resorting to this type of person as their betting strategy. maybe the insane person got one right prediction before and then others are now rooting for him to predict other games. and now, a lot of them are blindly following for some stupid reason. guess, that is a sign of desperation here.   better trust your own instincts rather than believe in this kind of nonsense belief

Is just that they belief such abnormal people are possess to be able to relate with the spirit world to reveal some winning prediction for them but that doesn't work that way. And some prediction are far different from the eventual winning numbers. I don't believe that anybody has the power to make accurate winning numbers, they are just luck and not destiny.

I'm not treating it personally.

Regardless of who is sharing, what matters is his prediction and its outcome, if he continues to make good predictions, then eventually his followers will increase and it doesn't matter if we will have to pay as long as we will get our expectation, that's what gambling is for me.

Using those people are the sign of addiction in gambling, and I believe only crazy bettors will do that.
We all have to see betting as a real gambling, and we have the chance here to win only if you analyze the sports you’re betting for. I don’t believe on this kind of ceremony, and I only believe on my strategy analyzing before I bet.

I don't believe on that type of stuff, if they make predictions on the leagues i'm following maybe i'll tail them once. On the sportsbook subreddit I know there are people who post their picks based on coinflips or other coincidence that doesn't even make sense yet somehow they manage to get a good record but most of the time their positive records don't last very long as they have an aggressive bet size and go on long streaks.

I have no idea what you are talking about, why would anyone go to an insane person who is not having any idea of the sport ask for prediction. To predict the outcome of a sport you need to follow the team religiously and follow the team news and then you are able to make a prediction and that too most of the time cannot be accurate and here you are talking about some stupid belief  .

I can second the motion with that. When I read the story, I couldn't believe that it is happening in this age. I don't think there is some good reason why these sane people are using insane one, there is really no point of using them. Better familiarize yourself when you are into sports betting. That may help you in increasing your chances of winning. Not the insane person predicting the results of the game. In what part of the world is this happening? Never heard such up until now.

This is complete nonsense as a way to increase the chances of guessing the outcome of an event. However, the odds will not be lower or higher as if you just tossed a coin. I must note the use of sick people in such activities is very immoral (of course, if they are not interested in it themselves).

I think that the word 'mad' is very unclear. There are people with various disorders that make some of their functioning more different from that of other people. And also people call someone mad when they don't understand the logic behind someone's actions or think that this person's decisions are too risky. It is also true that a person who isn't, for instance, neurotypical, can succeed at some things better because of seeing the problem differently and offering creative solutions. And a person can be genius at one thing, but have mental struggles with other things (take John Nash as an example; he had schizophrenia but was also a genius mathematician and got a Nobel Prize in Economics)
You're saying it's a trend, but could you provide some links to see how it really looks like?

Is that supposed to be "doubt" not "dought"?

The highlighted part is the only statement that makes sense to me when I relate it to choosing random numbers. People who can easily think logically have our own biases since we always have our favorite numbers. It's hard not to pick them no matter how hard we try to avoid. The rest are just made up beliefs by these gamblers.

That's not prediction since the insane guy don't analyze and just choose random pick out of the choice in able to leave him alone by that group of shitty sane people. They should just use a random picker software instead of disturbing the life of insane people since the result that both produce is purely a random pick in the end. 

No. It's only that the belief in religion that gambling and sports betting isn't allowed but to connect that they're going to be lucky or will be blessed as they gamble, that's crazy. From the root word itself that predictions are guess based on what the person saying in the chosen gambling games that they want.

This is like the sort of effect that has been explained scientifically but I forgot how it's being called.

The need to win has made a lot of persons take predictions to the next level. You can imagine what desperate situations would warrant this type of attitude in people towards gambling by gamblers.
I guess its a rumour driven thing, about those who happen to believe hat there are some spirituality about the outcomes in gaming and as such, a mental disordered person is believed to operate in this realm hence, could be capable of some accurate predictions.
For me, its total bullshit. Should there be such a way about this especially with the insane or mad persons, then mad people would have no longer being on the street as they would be valued so highly in this context. Predictions remains a one in 2 possibilities and thats what the mad man continues to offer.

Haha how can you be such a naive person? Predictions work with a 1 in 2 probability. You might as well flip a coin. Determine in advance which of its sides will mean the victory of this or that team. But seriously, listen to less bullshit and learn to analyze the outcome of the game with the help of previous matches.

This looks like a belief that works for certain people. They say what you belief in , works for for. The risk in it too is that people who are not mad can pretend to be so to get money from an innocent person. I don't indulge in such .

Mental disorders are honestly more prevalent as previously though, even a simple anger issue is something that a person should go to the psychiatrist for but unfortunately these are not cost effective and thus more often than ever these things are ignored. When we are talking about the madness in lieu of sports gambling and weird predictions made by people....I just wanted to ask them one thing ,"If it was so easy to predict then why are people not millionaires yet?"
This is more or so similar to believing in things like clairvoyance and such. But at the same time people might believe, people might make predictions, but you should understand the fact that it is not the fault of anyone in this case, since no insane person would force anyone to believe in them and go according to their predictions.
But rather you should :
believe in mathematical calculations and use those strategies!! These would work much more and at the same time it's more reliable and not so "insane"

I do not believe in that, but we can not blame them for doing what they want, including asking an insane person about the predictions. Maybe they see that an insane person can give them the right predictions, although there is no right information for that.

I think they are desperate to win that gambling game, so they find the out way, and one of that way is asking the insane person who can give them the predictions. That does not make sense, but we can not say anything because we can not change what they think unless they realize that thing is not right.

Mad/Insane People Making Prefictions For Sane People

I've heard about it one too many times, have seen it quite a few times but it never downed on me until the one I noticed of recent. Wher a group of sane people surrounded this particular insane guy to patronise him to write them some predictions on soccer draws and some lotto tips on random numbers.

I thought to myself, don't madness imply a state of mental disorder no more? Which means, the supposed individual presumed to be mad isn't supposed to be capable of complete thoughtfulness and yet, he somehow seemed to have a business, working and managing it good while playing around with the brains of the sane people.

So, i questioned a friend on this abnormal trend and he replied,
'prediction in itself is abnormal and it only takes one who  is abnormal to make a proper, close to or successful prediction often'. Why? I asked and he said,
'Because to an insane person, it comes without dought in contrast to a sane  person'
He gave me a scenario where an insane person was asked what was he's time and the insane person replied 'its past 4pm' mean while, it was just 11am in the morning. To the insane guy, he was very sure and ready to stand by his timing because, that's where his state of being is at that point in time. So somehow, this seem to attract them some luck in predictions as what you believe often comes to be.

Is this entirely true, that what you believe with regards to prediction often comes to be?
Is there any spirituality with regards to sports betting or gambling?

What are your thoughts on these trend of mad or insane people running predictions for sane persons. It feels unreasonable but, its happening and most times in underdeveloped nations.