Topic: MagicalTux & DefaultTrust [ Why ?] (Read 3889 times)
Now I can close the thread . Thank you again , and have a nice day.
PS: Just saw this, and removed him. Sorry for my hiatus, RL's really taking a toll on me...
Thank you John
. Finally karpeles was removed from that list , thanks again. 
PS: Just saw this, and removed him. Sorry for my hiatus, RL's really taking a toll on me...
Good to see you again and thank you for updating your list.
PS: Just saw this, and removed him. Sorry for my hiatus, RL's really taking a toll on me...
Nothing , for an administrator doesn't matter to have a scammer in the defaultTrust ? I think it is amazing .
However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .
However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .
As MagicalTux isn't active here, there isn't any problem. I think that's why they(Admins) aren't bothering about this.
Yes , you're right but I think it's better to remove him (manually) from the actual defaulTrust list. Because:
what is it means the word: defaultTrust ?
I think an option to report trust feedback(1) and a moderated DefaultTrust list would be a good idea though (1) would be a big pain for moderators, so that should be secondary option or some trust feedback admin should be made - they can be users who put correct feedback, not all DF list members.
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This idea is "good" but I think it will never be done. However thank you for your opinion it is very appreciated.
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Nothing , for an administrator doesn't matter to have a scammer in the defaultTrust ? I think it is amazing .
However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .
However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .
As MagicalTux isn't active here, there isn't any problem. I think that's why they(Admins) aren't bothering about this.
I think an option to report trust feedback(1) and a moderated DefaultTrust list would be a good idea though (1) would be a big pain for moderators, so that should be secondary option or some trust feedback admin should be made - they can be users who put correct feedback, not all DF list members.
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Nothing , for an administrator doesn't matter to have a scammer in the defaultTrust ? I think it is amazing .
However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .
However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .
It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
This
He isn't on the default trust list. He is trusted by John K who is on the default trust list. Set your trust depth to 1 (Just people on the list) and not 2 (People trusted by people on the list) and MagicalTux will be there no more.
Its really not a big deal since neither of them are active, but its not really in Theymos' control. He can control who is on the default trust list, he can't control who those people trust. So the options are A) JohnK comes back and removes MagicalTux or B) Theymos removes JohnK
Thank you for your comment , but I'm still thinking that it is not possible to have an untrustworthy person in that list . However we are here only to make a clean discussion about the actual defaulTrust list ( and I'm still waiting a reply from an administrator
).Cheers.
It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
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He isn't on the default trust list. He is trusted by John K who is on the default trust list. Set your trust depth to 1 (Just people on the list) and not 2 (People trusted by people on the list) and MagicalTux will be there no more.
Its really not a big deal since neither of them are active, but its not really in Theymos' control. He can control who is on the default trust list, he can't control who those people trust. So the options are A) JohnK comes back and removes MagicalTux or B) Theymos removes JohnK
I guess its because he is innocent until proven guilty. Perhaps we need an incompetent list mean time until we find out what happened with mtgox.
I've only ask you one question :
What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?
Nothing else . An untrustworthy person/user in the defaultTrust list is not admittable.
What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?
Nothing else . An untrustworthy person/user in the defaultTrust list is not admittable.
The name DefaultTrust is somewhat misleading. "PeopleWhoLeaveAccurateFeedbackList" is more accurate but it doesn't have the same ring to it
It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?
My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.
You're right
.I think maybe you misunderstand what the DefaultTrust list is.
If you are on the DefaultTrust, your feedback shows up as confirmed rather than unconfirmed when viewed by someone using the DefaultTrust list.
Has MagicalTux abused this in anyway?
If not, then why must we remove him?
I've only ask you one question :
What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?
Nothing else . An untrustworthy person/user in the defaultTrust list is not admittable.
It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?
My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.
You're right
.I think maybe you misunderstand what the DefaultTrust list is.
If you are on the DefaultTrust, your feedback shows up as confirmed.
If you are not on the DefaultTrust, your feedback shows up as unconfirmed.
Has MagicalTux abused this in anyway?
If not, then why must we remove him?
It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?
My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.
You're right
. 
My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.
It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.
John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.
News , Will theymos update the defaultTrust list ? we need more active/trusted users and not only a scammer like ( MagicalTux and other non-active users).
I hope to receive a response from a theymos , cheers.
I hope to receive a response from a theymos
, cheers.Theymos does update the DefaultTrust list, but not a whole lot. Like, not a whole lot. So you wouldn't really expect much of a change any time soon.
Yes , I have understand but why a scammer is in the defaultTrust list ? It is amazing
.I'm still waiting a reply from theymos , please.
Have a nice day .
News , Will theymos update the defaultTrust list ? we need more active/trusted users and not only a scammer like ( MagicalTux and other non-active users).
I hope to receive a response from a theymos , cheers.
I hope to receive a response from a theymos
, cheers.Theymos does update the DefaultTrust list, but not a whole lot. Like, not a whole lot. So you wouldn't really expect much of a change any time soon.
I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).
Yes, people used to trust MagicalTux too even though it was obvious there were major problems for a very long time well before the issues with the exchange were obvious. It is unclear why some people would trust others just because they are involved in Bitcoin while claiming the legacy financial system is all corrupt. Nobody with an ounce of common sense would trust theymos after they saw all the stuff that goes on here such as promoting fake banks where all the depositors lost or running ads for mining equipment everybody knew would not be delivered. But, hey, a lot of people trusted Bernie Madoff too.
News , Will theymos update the defaultTrust list ? we need more active/trusted users and not only a scammer like ( MagicalTux and other non-active users).
I hope to receive a response from a theymos , cheers.
I hope to receive a response from a theymos
, cheers. Even though it's up to the person who put him under their wing, mods can/should help out like in this case. The procedure to removing him is quick I'm sure, and everyone here seems to agree (think that he deserves to be removed).
But I think a mod or an admin never delete him from the defaultTrust list , I think this actual system "should" be changed and the list should be updated asap.
Thanks for your reply ( It's very appreciated).
Even though it's up to the person who put him under their wing, mods can/should help out like in this case. The procedure to removing him is quick I'm sure, and everyone here seems to agree (think that he deserves to be removed).
Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list.
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Nope thats just not how the trust system is designed I am afraid. The people on the trust list are "trust moderators", not trustworthy users. People are supposed to be put on DefaultTrust because the ratings they leave others are believed to be accurate, not because they are trustworthy.
yeah, Theymos, would you mind telling us the reason Tradefortress was on the default trust list? My speculation was that he had "disclosed security flaws in a responsible manner" as your feedback for him said, but was that the reason or was there another reason?
No. The damage someone in DefaultTrust can do is very limited, so a lot of trust isn't required. I've actually long been suspicious of TradeFortress because he was holding too much BTC, CoinLenders looked like a HYIP, and I've heard some suspicious rumors about him. But I thought that he was very unlikely to go totally crazy with trust. (And he didn't.)
He was on DefaultTrust because his trust list was good. There were only a few problems that ever resulted from his list, but he brought many good people into the trust network. He also seemed to understand the trust system more than anyone else, and he paid the most attention to trust activity across the trust system.
Of course , you 're right . There are some users are not trustworthy , but they are in the defaultTrust list . However I think @theymos or another admin "should" check the list and remove some users and add a new users (But this is only my suggestion) .
Cheers!
Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list.
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Nope thats just not how the trust system is designed I am afraid. The people on the trust list are "trust moderators", not trustworthy users. People are supposed to be put on DefaultTrust because the ratings they leave others are believed to be accurate, not because they are trustworthy.
yeah, Theymos, would you mind telling us the reason Tradefortress was on the default trust list? My speculation was that he had "disclosed security flaws in a responsible manner" as your feedback for him said, but was that the reason or was there another reason?
No. The damage someone in DefaultTrust can do is very limited, so a lot of trust isn't required. I've actually long been suspicious of TradeFortress because he was holding too much BTC, CoinLenders looked like a HYIP, and I've heard some suspicious rumors about him. But I thought that he was very unlikely to go totally crazy with trust. (And he didn't.)
He was on DefaultTrust because his trust list was good. There were only a few problems that ever resulted from his list, but he brought many good people into the trust network. He also seemed to understand the trust system more than anyone else, and he paid the most attention to trust activity across the trust system.
Of course , you 're right . There are some users are not trustworthy , but they are in the defaultTrust list . However I think @theymos or another admin "should" check the list and remove some users and add a new users (But this is only my suggestion) .
Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list.
~~MZ~~
~~MZ~~
Nope thats just not how the trust system is designed I am afraid. The people on the trust list are "trust moderators", not trustworthy users. People are supposed to be put on DefaultTrust because the ratings they leave others are believed to be accurate, not because they are trustworthy.
yeah, Theymos, would you mind telling us the reason Tradefortress was on the default trust list? My speculation was that he had "disclosed security flaws in a responsible manner" as your feedback for him said, but was that the reason or was there another reason?
No. The damage someone in DefaultTrust can do is very limited, so a lot of trust isn't required. I've actually long been suspicious of TradeFortress because he was holding too much BTC, CoinLenders looked like a HYIP, and I've heard some suspicious rumors about him. But I thought that he was very unlikely to go totally crazy with trust. (And he didn't.)
He was on DefaultTrust because his trust list was good. There were only a few problems that ever resulted from his list, but he brought many good people into the trust network. He also seemed to understand the trust system more than anyone else, and he paid the most attention to trust activity across the trust system.
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It doesn't really matter if there is a scammer in the DefaultTrust list. It only matters if they leave feedback that someone disputes.
Being in the DefaultTrust list only means you leave accurate feedback, not that you are trustworthy.
Being in the DefaultTrust list only means you leave accurate feedback, not that you are trustworthy.
Absolutely wrong! Being in DefaultTrust list means you are trustworthy. Only trustworthy users will be in DefaultTrust list.
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It doesn't really matter if there is a scammer in the DefaultTrust list. It only matters if they leave feedback that someone disputes.
Being in the DefaultTrust list only means you leave accurate feedback, not that you are trustworthy.
Being in the DefaultTrust list only means you leave accurate feedback, not that you are trustworthy.
I ended up removing him from my list, but until he leaves feedback that someone disputes, it doesn't really matter.
Thank you @Maged ! Have a nice day
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I ended up removing him from my list, but until he leaves feedback that someone disputes, it doesn't really matter.
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.
The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.
Yes, this is another interesting question . The defaultTrust list should be updated ( For my point of view).
Because a scammer (MagicalTux) MUST not stay in the list
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a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.
The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.
Maybe someone will remove him eventually. If people are not active or leave the forums maybe they should be removed eventually, but that doesn't make their old feedback any less valid, though I guess it will still show up in the untrusted section.
That is a fair point. I agree that the default trust list needs to be kept maintained and up to date.
It is. Theymos does add and remove people every now and again. So do others who are on there. It is a good idea for everyone to to keep tabs on it for obvious reasons though, but even more so by those who are on it or can add people to it.
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.
The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.
That is a fair point. I agree that the default trust list needs to be kept maintained and up to date.
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.Why is John still in DefaultTrust?
His recent inactivity over the last few months doesn't make him any better at deciding upon who is "good" or "bad", after all.
The same would go for anyone in DefaultTrust with low activity, btw.
I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).
Well said. If I were to EVER interact with anyone, I'd listen to all the reviews, not just those that I deem "trustworthy". Sure, there's bound to be a few bad sources, but overall, there's more trusthworthy sources than not for most people.
DefaultTrust is a list of trustworthy users maintained by theymos; with the default trust depth, people those users trust are also trusted. Anyone with any concerns about this can (and should!) create their own trust list or at least change their trust depth. You can adjust your personal trust settings here.
I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).
I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).
Thanks (again) for the informations , I also trust theymos but I don't trust MagicalTux
.Apparently magictux is 2 people above me in most trusted. This makes me sad 
Don't worry
be happy ! 
Apparently magictux is 2 people above me in most trusted. This makes me sad
DefaultTrust is a list of trustworthy users maintained by theymos; with the default trust depth, people those users trust are also trusted. Anyone with any concerns about this can (and should!) create their own trust list or at least change their trust depth. You can adjust your personal trust settings here.
I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).
I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).
Hey guys,
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
But this doesn't matter.
sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
But this doesn't matter.
sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .
That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.
Thank for the reply , so at the moment the actual defaultTrust is "unequal" ?
PS: I'm only asking for me that isn't a real problem
. Hey guys,
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
But this doesn't matter.
sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
But this doesn't matter.
sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .
That is because it is up to maged and john k to remove him. If they haven't removed him then nobody else can.
Hey guys,
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
But this doesn't matter.
sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .
a simple question : Why MagicalTux ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magicaltux-2134 ) is still in the defaultrust list ? He is under John (John K.) and under Maged.
I think isn't right to have a non-legit person in the DefaultTrust , and I also know his last active is : Last Active: May 05, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
But this doesn't matter.
sorry for the question , but I would like to know ! Thanks for the attention .
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