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Quote from: protokol on June 01, 2017, 08:29:31 PM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

What is this, fucking 1984, are you guys actually serious? How about we treat every criminal the same, that's the way justice is served in civilised countries. You are no better than the terrorists with your chants to "send their families back!!". Oh, and good luck revoking the citizenship of some scattered body parts...

Not to mention the majority of terrorist attacks in the UK are not by recent immigrants but by 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. And that there are orders of magnitude more people killed in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, than the UK.

You are just helping the terrorists with your scaremongering - stand up tall and say "bomb us again motherfuckers, we will not stoop to your level!"

That is how you beat terrorism like this, not by cowering in the corner and "stripping the terrorists' relatives of their UK citizenship" Cheesy

like that's gonna change anything...

This sort of political correctness is what encourages the terrorists to carry out even more attacks against the civilians. Unless you take concrete steps targeting the terrorists and their families, this menace is never going to stop.

Retaliation against suicide bombers must be directed at the family of the bomber, since he no longer exists. Retaliation against the family certainly can be effective.

Particularly if properly publicized, showing the mom and the sisters crying as they were hauled off to jail and the airport.

Of course you'd want to toss the bomber's shit-faced Muslim cleric out, also.

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It seems that was a terrorist attack and not just a human error.However this is not the point.The point is that we as humanity we could help in any way those people and do everything as sociality to prevent simillar facts.We live in 2017 and we can not accept behaviors that tends to be like 1000 years ago at the middle ages.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2017, 01:53:09 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2017, 01:53:09 AM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

What is this, fucking 1984, are you guys actually serious? How about we treat every criminal the same, that's the way justice is served in civilised countries. You are no better than the terrorists with your chants to "send their families back!!". Oh, and good luck revoking the citizenship of some scattered body parts...

Not to mention the majority of terrorist attacks in the UK are not by recent immigrants but by 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. And that there are orders of magnitude more people killed in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, than the UK.

You are just helping the terrorists with your scaremongering - stand up tall and say "bomb us again motherfuckers, we will not stoop to your level!"

That is how you beat terrorism like this, not by cowering in the corner and "stripping the terrorists' relatives of their UK citizenship" Cheesy

like that's gonna change anything...

This sort of political correctness is what encourages the terrorists to carry out even more attacks against the civilians. Unless you take concrete steps targeting the terrorists and their families, this menace is never going to stop.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on June 01, 2017, 11:26:47 AM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

What is this, fucking 1984, are you guys actually serious? How about we treat every criminal the same, that's the way justice is served in civilised countries. You are no better than the terrorists with your chants to "send their families back!!". Oh, and good luck revoking the citizenship of some scattered body parts...

Not to mention the majority of terrorist attacks in the UK are not by recent immigrants but by 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. And that there are orders of magnitude more people killed in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, than the UK.

You are just helping the terrorists with your scaremongering - stand up tall and say "bomb us again motherfuckers, we will not stoop to your level!"

That is how you beat terrorism like this, not by cowering in the corner and "stripping the terrorists' relatives of their UK citizenship" Cheesy

like that's gonna change anything...

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 29, 2017, 10:26:41 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2017, 01:53:09 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on May 29, 2017, 10:26:41 AM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

We live in democracy and free world as you know.
So, you can't discriminate anybody because of his faith, sex, nationality or because his family member did something wrong.
Last man who tried something like this was Hitler, back in 1934 in Germany.
We all know how he finished.
We have to fight terrorism but shouldn't compromise our values and way of life.
If we do, than terrorist already won.

There is a limit to freedom. Intolerance should not be tolerated. If they are coming in as refugees or migrants, they should be observing the law of the country anyway. These times call for pragmatism. What ought to be isn't always the same as what should be.

Exactly, thats the reason many countrys in europe doesn´t want more migrants in the land, they represent losing money and the constant threat or terrorism, they don´t respect the law or tradition in the new country and want to impouse their own.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2017, 01:53:09 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2017, 01:53:09 AM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

We live in democracy and free world as you know.
So, you can't discriminate anybody because of his faith, sex, nationality or because his family member did something wrong.
Last man who tried something like this was Hitler, back in 1934 in Germany.
We all know how he finished.
We have to fight terrorism but shouldn't compromise our values and way of life.
If we do, than terrorist already won.

There is a limit to freedom. Intolerance should not be tolerated. If they are coming in as refugees or migrants, they should be observing the law of the country anyway. These times call for pragmatism. What ought to be isn't always the same as what should be.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2017, 01:53:09 AM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

We live in democracy and free world as you know.
So, you can't discriminate anybody because of his faith, sex, nationality or because his family member did something wrong.
Last man who tried something like this was Hitler, back in 1934 in Germany.
We all know how he finished.
We have to fight terrorism but shouldn't compromise our values and way of life.
If we do, than terrorist already won.

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Quote from: crypto_ranger on May 26, 2017, 02:35:49 PM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

Does Israel. Still you forgot to mention the demolition bulldozing homes of terrorists. Probably do not need to give citizenship to visitors. It is enough that they have a residence permit. It does not limit their rights, but the government will always be able to deport them if something goes wrong.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on May 26, 2017, 12:02:46 PM

The Media coverage makes this worse because ISIS feeds on the Media coverage. perhaps if the media didn't cover it they would lose interest?

At this point, I don't think they'll stop if we ignore them. There's always social media after all.

This is a wrong strategy of burying our heads in the sand. It's also not fair to the victims to pretend like it didn't happen, like they didn't get killed.

Sadly it seems like the only way to deal with this is the complete separation of the Muslim and Christian cultures. The globalism experiment failed, at least when the cultural difference gap is so huge. Maybe we can try it again in the future, but for now it will be best if we take a few steps back and try to return to the times before globalization.

I'm actually advocating the opposite. otrkid70 suggested ISIS might stop if the media stop covering them. Hell, no. They'll do everything to get their message out there, through Twitter and other platforms. They're quite fond of uploading decapitation vids.

So yeah, report about them but also target their communications capability. i believe they do maintain sites where they release instructional magazines, would it be lovely if those sites are targeted to infect downloaders with a virus that would eventually betray their locations? Grin

As for separating, it's too late now. How are you going to get rid of Muslims that are already naturalized in Europe then? That would be close to impossible. I'd rather have the gov't make sure they are well integrated and properly monitored. Unfortunately "assimilation" is a dirty word now.

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Quote from: joebrook on May 27, 2017, 07:06:59 AM

They all should be stripped of their UK citizenships and sent back to their countries of origin.

This would have been some of the most effective measures, but I have never seen any Western nation doing it. The citizenship must be revoked not only for the attacker, but also for his family members. This can be even more effective than sentencing the terrorists to death.

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Hello forum... Do you actually believe the statesment given by the Manchester police force of a terrorism attack? or you think is more like a human error with fireworks or something like that... Police will not start an investigation of the blast zone till who knows why what they are waiting for to comfirm the cause of the explision in the Manchester arena? What do you think?

Do you mean to saw that the "suspect " was hiding fireworks in his clothing and it supposedly exploded, that is highly unlikely. There are sources saying that he said he was sorry just right before the explosion.

These sort of excuses sound ridiculous. The perpetrator was an active member of various Islamist radicalist organizations, and his intentions were clear. It was a terrorist incident, not just some firework accident.

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Hello forum... Do you actually believe the statesment given by the Manchester police force of a terrorism attack? or you think is more like a human error with fireworks or something like that... Police will not start an investigation of the blast zone till who knows why what they are waiting for to comfirm the cause of the explision in the Manchester arena? What do you think?

Do you mean to saw that the "suspect " was hiding fireworks in his clothing and it supposedly exploded, that is highly unlikely. There are sources saying that he said he was sorry just right before the explosion.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on May 26, 2017, 12:02:46 PM

The Media coverage makes this worse because ISIS feeds on the Media coverage. perhaps if the media didn't cover it they would lose interest?

They are very effectively using the media (especially the social media). They control tens of thousands of social media accounts (especially in Twitter), and a lot of recruitment and funding is directed through these accounts.

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The Media coverage makes this worse because ISIS feeds on the Media coverage. perhaps if the media didn't cover it they would lose interest?

At this point, I don't think they'll stop if we ignore them. There's always social media after all.

This is a wrong strategy of burying our heads in the sand. It's also not fair to the victims to pretend like it didn't happen, like they didn't get killed.

Sadly it seems like the only way to deal with this is the complete separation of the Muslim and Christian cultures. The globalism experiment failed, at least when the cultural difference gap is so huge. Maybe we can try it again in the future, but for now it will be best if we take a few steps back and try to return to the times before globalization.

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Quote from: Smack 1 on May 26, 2017, 02:26:19 AM

The Media coverage makes this worse because ISIS feeds on the Media coverage. perhaps if the media didn't cover it they would lose interest?

At this point, I don't think they'll stop if we ignore them. There's always social media after all.

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The Media coverage makes this worse because ISIS feeds on the Media coverage. perhaps if the media didn't cover it they would lose interest?

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Who is responsible for this now
Whether ISIS.

Obviously, the ISIS is going to claim responsibility for this attack. They are after fame, and they will stoop down to any level to achieve it. Also, these sort of attacks are one of the methods to recruit vulnerable youth to their organization. But where is the proof that the attacker (Salman Abedi) is directly linked to the ISIS.

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I've never seen a firework made with nails. :| I still can't understand how people can be going to large gathering like that, I'd be scared to walk out of my home. Tho thankfully, we don't have problems like that. But the thing that terrifies me the most if that the leaders of those cities/countries are saying people to just deal with it.

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Quote from: Xester on May 26, 2017, 02:49:06 AM

Hello forum... Do you actually believe the statesment given by the Manchester police force of a terrorism attack? or you think is more like a human error with fireworks or something like that... Police will not start an investigation of the blast zone till who knows why what they are waiting for to comfirm the cause of the explision in the Manchester arena? What do you think?

If it is just a fireworks then you will not have many people lying dead on the floor. Fireworks cannot kill that many people due to its design, even if you mix many of it will just explode but cannot kill many. But an explosive device was made to kill and thus when it explodes it will surely kill people who are in its range. So probably in my opinion it was really a homemade explosive.

It was really the explosive device. For those who do not know say that the British gave the pictures to the Americans under the terms of the cooperation agreement. Those pictures were in the American media about this scandal. The British told the Americans to the inadmissibility of such actions in the future.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 25, 2017, 10:01:12 AM

Hello forum... Do you actually believe the statesment given by the Manchester police force of a terrorism attack? or you think is more like a human error with fireworks or something like that... Police will not start an investigation of the blast zone till who knows why what they are waiting for to comfirm the cause of the explision in the Manchester arena? What do you think?

If it is just a fireworks then you will not have many people lying dead on the floor. Fireworks cannot kill that many people due to its design, even if you mix many of it will just explode but cannot kill many. But an explosive device was made to kill and thus when it explodes it will surely kill people who are in its range. So probably in my opinion it was really a homemade explosive.

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Who is responsible for this now
Whether ISIS.

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Hello forum... Do you actually believe the statesment given by the Manchester police force of a terrorism attack? or you think is more like a human error with fireworks or something like that... Police will not start an investigation of the blast zone till who knows why what they are waiting for to comfirm the cause of the explision in the Manchester arena? What do you think?

Yes, it was terrorist attack.
It's very sad and difficult to watch all this victims, specially kids.
Terrorists really have no mercy toward human life, children, nothing...
I hope that eventually this madness will stop but doubt it will happen soon.
Internet and social medias became very powerful tool for terrorist organizations, unfortunately.
Now, they can find followers on Internet and inspire them for terrorist attacks, even without need for meetings and training.
Because of it, it's very difficult to stop it.

You should read about what happen to rats when overpopulation starts to kick in... you have to accept and learn to live in a free flow of informations. The more you attempt censorship, the better the tools will be...

All lies will be revealed...

Structurally all attempt at darkness will end in magnet for problems... at first there seems to always be a good reason to hide or censor something...

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 25, 2017, 05:30:35 AM

Hello forum... Do you actually believe the statesment given by the Manchester police force of a terrorism attack? or you think is more like a human error with fireworks or something like that... Police will not start an investigation of the blast zone till who knows why what they are waiting for to comfirm the cause of the explision in the Manchester arena? What do you think?

Yes, it was terrorist attack.
It's very sad and difficult to watch all this victims, specially kids.
Terrorists really have no mercy toward human life, children, nothing...
I hope that eventually this madness will stop but doubt it will happen soon.
Internet and social medias became very powerful tool for terrorist organizations, unfortunately.
Now, they can find followers on Internet and inspire them for terrorist attacks, even without need for meetings and training.
Because of it, it's very difficult to stop it.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on May 24, 2017, 11:53:50 AM

Well, they've already identified a suspect so this pyrotechnic theory is out of question. Not unless of course they switch and suddenly say that they mistook a pyrotechnic malfunction for a suicide blast. That'll be quite a stretch that even real sheep won't believe in.

They've already made the usual vigil, interfaith prayer and pep talk from the mayor. What remains to be seen is how long will they be able to keep the next one from happening. As the London mayor has said, this is already a fact of life there.

The perpetuators has already been assimilated that's why they are hard to isolate who' who now in the general public. Yeah, its sad to hear that its gonna be a daily part of their life. There should be a major policy shift here because Great Britain now has been a haven to breed terrorist. They have started this problem when accepting refugees and the one that suffers is the people, casualties of terrorism that can be prevented if they only put a tighter law to control them in the beginning.

Terrorists and rapists... (https://youtu.be/68XUjXRETbw tommy robinson exposing a more accurate representation of reality).

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/rochdale-child-sex-ring

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-rotherham-city-that-covered-up-muslim-rape-gang-activity-steps-up-police-patrols-against-islamophobia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423246/Three-Somali-men-gang-raped-white-16-year-old-girl-bathroom-hotel-stayed-celebrate-Eid-jailed-30-years.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261663/muslims-protest-support-uk-girls-rapists-daniel-greenfield

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/706642/police-launch-hunt-12-year-old-raped-manchester-park-Greater-Manchester-Police

http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/07/finally-muslim-rape-epidemic-in-spotlight/

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/shocking-report-massive-cover-up-of-muslim-rape-gang-activity-in-the-uk

http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/01/-muslim-gang-rapes-man-in-manchester-center.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/

Pathetic! The fall of britain!!! To please the oil kings.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on May 24, 2017, 11:53:50 AM

Well, they've already identified a suspect so this pyrotechnic theory is out of question. Not unless of course they switch and suddenly say that they mistook a pyrotechnic malfunction for a suicide blast. That'll be quite a stretch that even real sheep won't believe in.

They've already made the usual vigil, interfaith prayer and pep talk from the mayor. What remains to be seen is how long will they be able to keep the next one from happening. As the London mayor has said, this is already a fact of life there.

The perpetuators has already been assimilated that's why they are hard to isolate who' who now in the general public. Yeah, its sad to hear that its gonna be a daily part of their life. There should be a major policy shift here because Great Britain now has been a haven to breed terrorist. They have started this problem when accepting refugees and the one that suffers is the people, casualties of terrorism that can be prevented if they only put a tighter law to control them in the beginning.

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Well, they've already identified a suspect so this pyrotechnic theory is out of question. Not unless of course they switch and suddenly say that they mistook a pyrotechnic malfunction for a suicide blast. That'll be quite a stretch that even real sheep won't believe in.

They've already made the usual vigil, interfaith prayer and pep talk from the mayor. What remains to be seen is how long will they be able to keep the next one from happening. As the London mayor has said, this is already a fact of life there.

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