Topic: Manchester United current crisis and what could be the solution (Read 335 times)

Maybe you’re prolly right, maybe your definition of being a fan is totally different from mine. I’ve got my Own way of looking at these things and if it’s not same with yours, then sorry. I didn’t stop being a fan of Man United simply because they performed badly or something of sort like you assume, I had my own reasons. Maybe I figured out I enjoyed football experience better when I’m observing from a neutral perspective. Yeah I have a few players I love their art and enjoying following them, but that doesn’t mean I’ll have to love the club they are simply because I love them.
I love Cristiano Ronaldo, but that doesn’t mean I’ll automatically be a fan of Al Nasir, I’m not saying those who are fans of clubs don’t know what they’re doing, I’m just saying I’m not like that, I have a different way of seeing things and I love it that way.

Presently if you asked me I would say Manchester City are the team in Manchester that are more of in a crisis, yes United needs to improve but in recent games Manchester United are becoming better off than Manchester City.

United has signed a new coach who has been impressive in his former team, Sporting CP so I think he needs some time although he has said that Manchester United needs to improve more as a team and not only be recognized as a big team and I very much agree with him.

True loyalty to the club should not depend on performance, coach or certain player, because indeed as true fans we should still support the team in any situation, but if someone only supports the club based on a certain player or coach, then he is not a fans from the club but he is a fan from that coach or player.

Btw I think currently Manchester United problems have been solved with the recruitment of Amorim as a coach,  so maybe the OP needs to replace this thread with a new title, namely Manchester City current crisis and what could be the solution  .

I don't think club loyalty should simply be based on the performance of the club or because your favorite or star player is there, if you switched sides due to any reason best known to you then it means you were never a fan in the first place sorry to say, you were just a fan of a particular player. Manchester united has been a strong force intl the EPL it hurts knowing that they are way passed their prime, they are constantly losing to small teams this season, what could actually be the solution to their current problem. Perhaps they need to buy sound players.

Since ten hag became Manchester United manager, he has spent a whole lot of funds and yet results keeps getting worse by the season and yet he's yet to be sacked, I wonder what is still keeping him because the Manchester United i know before would have served him later long before now but it keeps surprising me how he's has been able to stay this long even with the terrible results, maybe till he gets Manchester United relegated then they will see to the fact that he should leave t he team, he's one of the well paid in England just like the players yet he only keeps getting worse, it's so sad a thing for such a big team.

Well, the only solution I can think of right now would be an elimination method... Erick has failed the club and, the more he's tolerated for his incompetence, the more he keeps getting it all wrong. I'm trying to think of what really got Manchester United's interest to signing him as a head coach in the first place.

This is one of the worse seasons in the premier league for Manchester United as they keep struggling in the 14th position on the league table. How impressive is that supposed to be?
Erick has been stressing on the cleansheets he has achieved - what does 4 clean sheets got to do with securing a good position on the table? I think he really needs to hands off for someone with a better strategy.

I agree with you, my view is that the arrival of the current coach has made the Red Devils club complicated and messy. He just came in and started selling good players just to bring in players from his old club Ajax. With a fairly large transfer fee behind it, I think there is a business conflict. And even a good player Ronaldo is very disappointed, he rarely plays when he plays, a good player, a football icon, just sits on the bench. The arrival of the current coach makes me never watch Manchester United because the concept from the beginning looks very bad. The key is the current coach, everything can slowly return to normal.

Yet again, Manchester United breaks another bad record. They break their worst start last season. Their current stats are even worse than last season. They scored 5 goals in 7 games. That's far worse than Ole's worst start, which was 9 goals in 7 games.

It's unbelievable that people still doubt if their coach, Ten Hag, is the problem. And i think with all of the evidence above, he's sackable now.

I'm feeling like keeping Ten hag on this season has been a really bad decision from Glazer and Ineos. It's getting worse. They've invested more money in him, and it won't pay off.

Well, you are right, something indeed needs to be done to restore the glory of Manchester united, but the big question is...
1. What is exactly the thing that needs to be done?
2. Who is the right person to proper do whatever is it that needs to be done?

Look, it's really a hard time for Manchester united, and to be honest, I am not surprised, the law of gravity is real and affects every thing that is man made, which is to tell you that nothing stays up forever, it's only a matter of time and it will come crashing..
Even the much celebrated Manchester city today will one day come crashing as well, it's only a matter of time.

So, my personal advice and conclusion is that, what Manchester united are going through is nothing far from the ordinary, they should keep doing their best, the coach should put his all and the players should play with one vision, with time, they will scale through this challenging time, and the management should also consider hiring a better coach if really the coach is the problem.

I previously did not expect more about Manchester United and their problems are just like problems in general in other clubs, but it seems that there is a lot of enthusiasm about this big club so that a special thread was made to bring up the problems of Man United, this is quite crazy and cool, and proves that how great Man united was in the past and bad in the era of crisis now.
It seems like the serious talk here about, Man Unitted's problem is the coach, from people's perspective it all leads to that, even so I'm quite doubtful that the problems that occur there must be a trigger that might be bigger than that, but it hasn't gone public yet.

Well, perhaps there are many reasons, and the first reason is the change in the way of thinking of the club owners after the era of Sir Alex Ferguson, and I think that they are the big problem in the club during the past years, the club’s lack of real first-class stars and the failure to find a capable coach to revive the spirit of competition in the players.

 In general, all clubs go through this , and Manchester United is a big team and will return to the position it was in.

Manchester United's crisis is connected with many reasons. In part, it is connected with the actions of the Glazer family, who rather inconsistently considered various scenarios for the club's fate, right up to its sale. In part, it is connected with the unfortunate choice of coach. One of the key problems is the unreasonable large expenditure of money on players, despite the fact that many analysts still doubt the effectiveness of these expenses. In addition, the club may have problems with the style of play, which is again connected with the personality of the coach. In other words, we have a whole complex of problems and it is not always easy to determine what is primary and what is secondary. But most likely, the key reasons are connected with the management of the club and the coaching work.

The problem of Manchester United to me is the coach. The coach is not doing well even though many may think he has won a trophy with United, I still think he should be sacked, and a better manager be brought in. The coach has bad relationship with the players in my opinion and that is why some of the players have refused to put in their best because they think the coach does not deserve it. See Jadon Sancho for instance who the coach refused forgiving and sent to Chelsea but now he's doing very well in Chelsea even better than he did under Manchester United that is a sign that the coach is not fit for the club.
Manchester United will travel to play Aston Villa this weekend, I am sure they will loose that game because Unia Emery is currently a better coach.

Currently, I have seen lots of people calling out Eric Ten Hag for the poor performances of Manchester United. I do not agree that the problem of Manchester United is the coach only, the management of Manchester United is weak and has been unable to produce positive results over the past years. With all the obvious poor performances of the current coach, why is it taking the management too long to address the issue of the coach? This is to show how weak the system is.

Manchester United needs a total restructuring. Starting from the management, the coach and down to the players. No capable hands have been able to manage Man United since Alex stepped down, once we get one person who is capable, we will all see the results.

The current team seems to have lost their spirit. It doesn’t have the same passion as the previous state of the team. Even the players seem to not be giving their 100% best. But it is not just the players’ fault. I personally believe that the players can get their spirits back only if the coach knew how to. He is the one who has to lift the whole team up and make sure they can follow coaching tactics that actually makes sense and works.
They might need to turn the whole team around. Turn it inside out. There is not just one wrong thing in the team currently, there’s multiple wrong things, so everything needs to be rebuilt for them to go back to their former days.

Manchester United's decline after Sir Alex's retirement Ferguson is complex and difficult to attribute to one factor. Rumors about football organizing or financing often play a role in this. Because these seem more like speculation. The crux of the club's struggles appears to stem from poor leadership. football changes And perhaps there is an identity crisis behind Ferris.

With the departure of Ferguson United thus lost the style of leadership that had been their backbone for more than two decades. Ferguson's ability to manage players, adjust strategies and maintain a winning spirit is unmatched. And could any of his successors replicate that level of success? Whether it be David Moyes, Louis van Gaal, Jose Mourinho or even Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, no one has been able to create a vision or a long-term deal.

Poor governance could also be part of it. Especially as far as the club running from top to bottom. There are criticisms of ownership by the Glazer family. Many fans do feel more about the business side of the club rather than sporting glory. The maverick approach in the signings also worked. With costly signings not always attached to the club's philosophy or strategy.

High wages and attitude of players may be one factor too. Manchester financial muscle United means they are pulling in the superstars. At times, though, it seems that players lack the hunger or tenacity to bring the club back to where it was. After all, the focus of players has now changed from inheritance to money. It is perhaps one of the biggest factors affecting the performance and team integration of a side.

It would be good to have the right leader but they also need time, support to build up a cohesive team. Ferguson was given time to groom his team but in modern football, it is impatient with a high expectation of instant results.



That is right many things can happen; chances are that Manchester United's issue is all of three above poor management bad manager And possibly lack of motivation due to position of the player The Glazer family has been held in a poor light by critics for many years. And focusing more on the business end rather than the sporting end does seem to impact the club even if it is going to be taken over by Ineos. As it turns out, though, it's still too early to say whether they will turn things around. Change of ownership doesn't automatically mean overnight restoration of success to most clubs. As we have seen in other groups as well.

When it comes to Erik ten Hag (ETH), I agree that some of his decisions Especially regarding team transfers and strategies. Still not quite right for the club. Signing players who cannot immediately meet the team's needs, such as a good left back. It creates an unbalanced team. Leave a gap that your opponent can exploit. But the important thing to remember is that Changes in management can destroy the long-term vision. And United have had some since Ferguson left.

The attitude of the players is another important factor, as we mentioned earlier. When the group became less committed and they felt that the manager's comments at the press conference were being undermined. It is normal for their motivation to decrease. Players need to feel supported by their manager. It was not publicly condemned. But if lack of commitment is the only goal in forcing ETH out, then that is cause for concern. Because it indicates a lack of efficiency. No matter what the leader is The group and its legacy must come first.

All three could be possible obviously but that doesn't mean one of them has to be true, maybe they are all true? We already saw Glazers were bad, ineos seems like they are not doing a great job so far neither but maybe they will do better later on.

We need to realize sometimes there are bigger problems though, sure it's a mismanaged team but also ETH is a terrible manager as well, he doesn't make changes that will fix the team and his transfer requests makes no sense, this team doesn't even have a proper left back and he bought another Dutch offensive player. Also players may not be caring anymore as well, because they know ETH will leave if they do badly, and they obviously do not want a manager who throws them under the bus when the team does badly, it is not a good look for the players and their future when manager bashes them on conference speeches so they want him gone, so they play badly, or basically not caring. So they will recover when ETH leaves.

Well their solution to the problems they’ve had since Ferguson left in 2013 has been a continuous sacking of managers and reckless spending on players. They have spent £1,600,000,000 on players since Ferguson retired.

The answer is to buy younger, talented, hungry players, not waste money on finished players like Casemiro. There has to be better coaching on the training ground too. How much longer will Ten Hag get if results don't improve? What then though, employ somebody else and sack him in a year or two?

I think their structure at board level has changed, they have to hope the right players can be targeted. The likes of Rashford need to be offloaded too, they have too many high earning players who have failed under multiple managers. If I was their new majority owner, I would want a world class Sporting Director with a dedicated transfer team. It has all been a bit like blind leading the blind for a long time. Their problems run deeper than just whichever manager they have.

Well, I do believe that the reason why man United have not been the way it was from the time of Alex is because non of their manager have ever performed the way Alex Ferguson did. The success of a team is not usually determined by the kind of leader they have and the leader of a team is supposed to employ all good strategy to make sure their team remain the best. The solution is to get a perfect manager for the club.

Since Sir Alex left, we can see how Manchester United slowly lost its performance. He was a smart brain who not only brought MU to its highest point, but also made it a club with many fans all over the world. Sir Alex is like the most appropriate figure to lead MU because from his mind many great MU players were created, the most we know is CR7. So from these few things, we can see how MU needs the best manager figure to bring this club back to its glory days, indeed it is not an easy thing, but I still believe that there will be a figure who can bring MU back to its glory days.

These are hard times for not only the Manchester United fans but also for bettors who still pick Manchester United to in their ticket to win cause they feel things would get better. Well, I've told several friends that are bettors to avoid picking Manchester United to win for the time being and bet on 1.5goals or both teams to score cause Manchester United are an easy team to play against and score lately despite the little upgrade in their defense. However I think the board would be making the best decision if they sack Erik Ten Hag over a possible lose to Aston Villa, they've been patient enough, fans have been patient enough and everyone needs an imminent improvement. Well, i won't consider bringing back Mourinho or Ole as a good option since Manchester United should be moving on from their past to a better future, my opinion is that they could make Van Nistelrooy the Interim manager and then get a new coach with an attacking mindset and good playing style that would improve their attacking mentality. Erik has continue to say that he needs more time but I wonder how long it could take him to turn things around, I didn't see anything different from Twente's game when played Porto yesterday and his record is becoming bad despite winning two trophies for Manchester United

I agree that Manchester United's problem is the small budget for transfers and errors in player selection. I also think we need to invest more to compete for the title again. Mourinho won the Europa League, but needs more for the Premier League.

Since leaving by Sir Alex Ferguson have many manager sacked but Manchester United always difficult for winning premier league trophy and have been 12 years can't winning domestic league tittle. The most success achievement of Manchester United manager since leaving by Alex Ferguson is Jose Mourinho success winning UEFA Europe League tittle but he failed bring United keep dominance in domestic league or become the winner.

Firstly why Manchester United difficult in the Premier League tittle race because small transfer fund allocated by management and most of signing not effective with their performance. I think before appointing with most experienced manager have potential bring Manchester United winning back Premier League, management must allocated huge amount such as did by Manchester City always success spending much money for signing top or potential players.

Nope. Nothing has to be done. If ManU disappeared now and I wouldn't give two and a half flying ducks. Maybe 2 and a quarter I could. That's it, that's my limit. Ducks are high in demand I can't let them go for cheap and mind you, these are flying ducks which means you have to pay a premium because they ain't no common shitty ducks you'll find in the Chinese animal farms.

Now where were we... Ducks, No ManU.

Letting Ferguson go was a major duck up. Ferguson > ManU.

They didn't wanna believe it but now they know. Is he dead? Just give him a call. That's the only way to restore ManU to its former glory.

I don't think karma has anything to do with it, nor can it do anything. Don't particularly believe in it nor do I think it should even be used as a reason since it's mostly just escapism imo.

Anyway, If I were to pick it'd be their manager? The team always struggles to follow through with the stuff that he wants to push so they always perform subpar during matches. There's probably a bunch of other factors involved like the surrounding issues with the team distracting them for one but I think the major factor here is still him. It's just trying to stuff a key towards a keyhole that's obviously mismatched.

That, or Ten Hag starts changing. Right now it's just frustrating since it looks like they're just banging their heads to a wall hoping it breaks down one day.

Cumulative goal difference by the manager. (Manchester United)



The only solution for Manchester United is to sack Ten Hag. Then, bring back either Ole or Mourinho. Although Ten Hag helped us win two trophies in two seasons. But, his team's performance is always slowing down. His team has always struggled to win games in domestic and European competitions. His team recorded a new record in the history of Manchester United with the most conceded goals. His team has the lowest goal-scoring rate since Ole and Mourinho coached.

Ten Hag is the root of all problems in the club. And getting rid him of the club will save Manchester United.

I covered this on the other thread of @rdbase.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64596733

Truly, I think Erik has some power over the management and I think they won't sack him that easily. They are giving him a chance and with a tie game against Porto, he might only need to win against Aston Villa and they will still keep him.
What if he loses? According to the video that I shared on that thread that I mentioned, there is a chance he will be sacked if he loses both the Porto game and Aston Villa.
All we have to do is wait and since OP said that many fans are unhappy about what is happening, they might be forced to do that just to make their fans happy. Still, I doubt it could happen that easily, I also kind of feel that they will give him more chances even if he loses.

We can't just be too sure about Erik ten Hag leaving Manchester United anytime soon and that's because the Dutch manager after yesterday draw at Porto was telling the press that his team should be judged at the end of the season which I think suggests that he currently have the backing of the club management. Erik ten Hag have been criticized in the media on several occasions this season but that hasn't made the club management to change their minds about the Dutch manager so I don't think there's anything we can do to save the situation at Manchester United at the moment.  

Man United have sacked coaches far more easily, and Ten Haag indeed looks like he's got some immunity from the club, despite his signings and players request doesn't seem to tally with any specific style or approach to football, neither does he actually appear to have clue about how he wants his team to play.

It's really surprising that with the disastrous start to the new season for the club, his job doesn't even appear to be at stake.


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There is only one temporary fix to Man United's immediate problem(s) "sack Erik Ten Haag."

I see Ferguson as the ghost behind Manchester United misfortune falling on them since he left the club as the manager. This is because he is the one deciding on which coach to bring in or not and that is very bad because he should allow the club management to decide on their own on the right thing to do that will bring progress to the club.

During Ferguson regime, he was given the chance to make his decisions and that helped him a lot to be successful with the clubs. So why is he still around the club to make coaching decisions that might end up being a big disappointment. If he wants to come back to the club fine, he can resume work immediately because I know that everyone will be happy and let him stop intervening in the club's coaching aspect.

No team is ever an island that can't experience some hard time in some seasons. Every club have passed through that phase when they had to struggle with some technical or managerial issue that went on to affect thier play. Chelsea went through that phase and almost sacked all the coaches they had in the past and today they are gradually gaining ground. What's happening to Manchester United could be a managerial crisis, a coach inability to make the right decision or some internal crisis that the press might not have access to. Whatever it is, is nothing not too bad that they can't handle if they're intentional about it. If you look at it critically, all the leagues have become too competitive that everyone now knows that no team in unbeatable. For you to remain in the winning side with the mentality and hunger most teams has, you have to forget about whatever past track record you've once had and play your game like this is the first and last trophy you're ever going to win.

I'm a very critique person when it comes to current situation of United but if so many people are vocal about this and no changes are made , then , I actually believe that this project is meant to be a very long one and if this is true , I can't see Ten Hag leaving anytime soon , especially with Ferguson still running things from shadows. Also , what coaches are suitable enough for United ? because I can look across Europe and I can barely find a top coach that is available but also wants to coach United.

Ten Hag is authoritative in nature, and maybe that has worked pretty well for him in other clubs he's coached in the past. Yes, the players of Manchester United has spoken highly of Ten Hag and probably seen him as their dream coach judging from a distance, but like we already know, most relatiomships are always more valued from a distant perspective, and now they have their dream Coach, they may have probably noticed a few shortcomings that they never saw from a distant view.

And concerning Cristiano Ronaldo, one thing you need to understand is that, Ronaldo is a experienced player, and with all his experience and expertise has all it takes to single handedly coach a team, and since he has played in Manchester United before when the club was still at its prime so we'd assume that he knows just what the team needs to excel, yeah no player is above the club and two people cannot captain a ship, but still the expertise and contribution of Ronaldo would've been more than resourceful if you ask me, but Ten Hag wanted to do it all by himself since he believes he's got all it takes.

Firstly I agreed with you when we talk about ten hag building a good relationship with the players. Secondly I disagree with you on that of his disagreement with Christian Ronaldo. But wanted the best for the club he ten hag and Ronaldo. But then Ronaldo was going to far to show that. As a player you can’t be bigger than the coach, management and owners. Even tho the management misunderstood Ronaldo and ignorantly dealt with him the way they did was because Ronaldo in other hand felt he bigger than the club due to his personality and and his worth. Ten hag somehow lacks the ability to maintain good relationships with the players which see him enforcing his tactics on them just to prove he has what it take to coach such a historical club. This he once in his interview when he came in to the club. Now this didn’t go well for him and the players. Ten hag was every Man U fans dream coach whom they thought was going to take up the legacy from where Alex left it.
Now the relationship aspect played a big roll in both turning things around for the good and for the worse. This is humans you dealing with. And not everyone wi like you. He ten haha should had maintained that standard since he already has implemented it. But then along the line his favoritism became so obvious when he thought he was too hash for the players since the fans where not happy with the way Ronaldo’s situation turned out. Now he wants to establish that relationship with the players and it now looks like he doesn’t stand on his word as a coach. Also the management and owners aren’t doing any good to the club.

Now this is the reason Man U fan has been against the glazers family. Wanting them to leave the club because it’s obvious they have nothing to offer rather them making more money from the club.
Sheikh Jassim had a better plan establishing the club therefore seeing it attain that success the fans want.
The glazers family who almost agreed to sell the club. Ended up going pushing the price tag high just to get sheikh interest off the club, just after the UK government knew they weren’t going to be making money out of the club like they do now it’s under the glazers control.
Those who says football isn’t about money.
Should consider that weren’t all in a modern football era which sees each time spend money to get quality players with the help of a good management.
If you must succeed in this modern era of football. You must be ready to spend to get what you want.
People laughter at Toddy owner of Chelsea for lavish money on players. Now who has the last laugh. His money finally got him what he wanted and watch him make his money back. This is business.
Like I said the management at this point is the problem Man U are having. Get rid of this players and get a better coach if the current one isn’t delivering the job.

You gave three possible reasons and the last two reasons have been tried by Manchester United owners with many coaches and players came and went after Sir. Alex Ferguson era. All these things did not work and logically there is one reason left, the first one.

It belongs to the club owners and their bad management as well as failed strategies that have been used to develop their club in many recent years. If their owners see this fact, they will need to change themselves and if they can not change their management strategies, one last option for them. It's selling the club and leave, perhaps new owner can do it better.

I used to be a fan of Manchester United way back then in the days Alex, but after his retirement, just as you've rightly said, I don't think there's been any coach that can be compared to him, his dedication and commitment to the club I believe was his greatest tool that made the team soar, and yes, his relationship and connection with his team could be seen as another reason the club has been thriving back then. And I think this is the major problem Manchester United is facing, the coaches who come into the club I believe fail to establish a better relationship with the players, Eric Ten Hag is a great Coach and an experienced leader, but it takes more than that to make a club like Manchester United to soar and return to its previous glory. I think Ten Hag prefers to enforce his tactics on the players rather than also giving a listening ears to the players too to talk, and I believe this is the main thing that made him disagree with Cristiano Ronaldo.

If the Coach can connect well with the players, I believe there'll be a positive change in the club's performance.

Manchester United as a historical club. Who’s achievement is other football club dreams. Has in the past years lost its glory after Alex Ferguson stepped down as the manager. He has been succeeded by many managers after he retired and non has been able to continue in his legacy not to talk of doing greater things nor achieving something greater.
-The question is what could be the reason to It’s down fall?
Lot of people said Man U are facing karma, as a result of match fixing and bribery. Could this be true?
United hasn’t been the same after Ferguson left the club.
-Could it be mismanagement or the owners aren’t putting out more effort to see the glory going forward?
-Could it be they hasn’t found the right manager to deliver the job.
-Could it be the players at some point don’t bother about the the future of the club as a result of the high wages they received.
Something needs to be done to restore Man U back to its glory