Topic: Manipulation on Peek - What You think ? (Read 346 times)

Buddy, this is not like what are you thinking, everyone needs money but saying that whales need money sounds weird because whales already own tons of money they just diversify their assets and manage their funds to avoid devastation, and a maximum of the time they store money in gold reserves and other assets but on the same time they try to take risks to gain huge returns as they already own a lot of money so by proper risk management and investment strategy they can generate more tons of money.

Market manipulation is not for instant profits it is for cheap accumulation and better risk management, they throw some money into the dump market and then they trap the weak hands to fill up their bags. The ending is the same as you said but in a very sharp way.


Hmm, Bro, I was here with the same perspective but the market is developed to some levels now, Before the last halving there was a circle of Dominance, Bitcoin-Season and Altcoin-Season let me explain it; As about Dominance we all know, In Bitcoin season the scenarios goes in direction whenever Bitcoins pumps in its rally altcoin market faces pressure because people use to sell altcoins to buy bitcoin for profit booking and vice versa whenever Bitcoin on its peak loses Dominance Altcoins pumps.

But as you can see now in this rally the market pumped and the whole market showed up good gains rather than facing the pressure of Bitcoins dominance.

Slowlyy market is developing now the volatility effect is not as similar as it was, still, the point is valid that Market follows the Bitcoin which is a natural thing because Bitcoin is the > 50% Dominator of the market and if it will face any sort of volatility it will put the impact on the others as well.

Right, then I haven't seen anything happen that when altcoins dump the market, Bitcoin will also dump the value in the market. Nothing like this has actually happened before. For 14 years Bitcoin has always pulled cryptocurrencies higher if Bitcoin rallies and if there is a dump most of the top altcoins in the market will also follow.

It means this showed only that altcoins value in the market depends on Bitcoin plus the development and innovation of altcoins in this community.

I think this is one of the great risk we face at the moment in the crypto world. Whales have a lot of power in the pricing of crypto currencies as they can flood the order book with buy or sell orders in an instant. And if multiple whales work together the risk gets even larger. Many traders like me use technical analysis to try and find trends in the market, which can be influenced by the whales. Due to large sudden price changes the whale can create short term trends where many other traders are going to follow. This happened in the 90s and 00s in the stock markets with the rise of computer trading and can happen now in the crypto world. That is why it's so important to look at multiple indicators and rely on one short term indicator to trust a new trend. It's better to double check our analysis and not to overreact.

Market has three condition and everyone has own strategy to make profit from each condition. The first one is bear market when no one ready to buy big because of bear. long time holders are taking entry in this condition.

second is full fomo and full peak. taking entry is very risky but profit is also big if right coin has been choosed.

Third condition is stable market which is very good for day traders. in this condition some high volatile coins is suitable for day trade and using best strategy will give you daily Profit.

It's true that we have to get used to it so we're not surprised and definitely not FOMO,
market volatility is very high and it is necessary to keep abreast of its movements,
maybe it's a good suggestion to focus on preparing for Q4.

Manipulators are whales and they are people who move very old bitcoins to create uncertainties in the market like those old bitcoins are moved to dump in the market. They are content writers or people who order content writers to give us news to read.

The cycle of FOMO - panic - FOMO repeats many times. The whales who manipulate the game get richer because they not only do manipulations but also really understand the market psychological cycle. The retail investors, newbies get poorer because they don't understand market psychological cycle and can not control their emotion as well as have bad risk and capital management. They FOMO, borrow money to buy bitcoins, but can not hold their bitcoins when price falls because they shake their hands or have to sell off because loan expiration comes.

Bad psychological management plus bad capital vs risk management are biggest enemies for amateurs.

Whales get to make those advanced movements precisely because they have a lot of money to spare, and when we add that they work together with other whales then this increases their ability to manipulate the markets even further, and anyone trying to imitate them will most likely lose their money, as by the time they find out about their movements it is too late to do anything about it, since the market most likely would have moved significantly already by the time they find out about the manipulation of the whales and there is no point at all to open a position when it is so late already.

Right now bitcoin gain again and back to 30k$ some people will get FOMO again but some will leave it and will wait for the next thing to happen. We should be get used to it, market is volatile and also we are approaching to Q3 there's a lot of thing to happen . Better to prepare for Q4 instead because most of the time bull run happens during Q4 and many people try to panic sell so when Q1 starts again it will go a little bit dip.

You know the truth about whale investors who are recognized as manipulators whether we admit it or not they often have the advantage when it comes to the income they can achieve. Although you are also right that sometimes there is also a high risk that they do, they are prepared for such a situation as well.

That's why sometimes, when there are manipulators who suddenly sell their large holdings of Bitcoin, they also lower its value in the market and it will be even faster if other investors also sell a large amount as well.

Manipulators are mostly whales with billions of dollars in investments, part of these investments are in high-risk assets and part of them are in Bitcoin, so in the worst case, less than 10% of their assets will be affected, given that they distribute it in many investments.
The attempt of some small fish to play the same game and invest in this class of assets may cause great losses for them, given that the information that the whales possess may not be available to these small investors, so it is a very high-risk investment.No profits will be realized from such an investment in the long term, because there are always losses that cancel out these profits.

Hmm, Well according to the current market situation, I do accept it the overall market news and developments puts a huge impact on the market, for swing points and liquidity currently as per my analysis the market is short-liquidated because most of the assets are stored on the personal wallets which directly creates a space in the market and currently according to the latest reports maximum Bitcoin and ETH supply is illiquid which means if even a small Boom in market arise market will face huge short liquidity problems.

News on Swing Point manipulates the market? Hmm, how can you figure out if the manipulation is swing point specific? Because a complete market trend cant be reversed by a piece of news but a series of developments can really create such an impact. 

Since the beginning of my trading career, I've seen that every above and below swing point has a lot of liquidity. That's why when the price was attempting to break through that area, the volume was so strong, and most of the time there's a huge news to actually know if it really breaks the swing point or just taking some liquidity and returning to the trading range. Some people believe that forexfactory is only for forex, but it also influences the price of Bitcoin. As a result, I believe that the most manipulation caused by news occurs primarily at swing points.

As has always been the case. What market isn't really manipulated these days. The clamp down on Binance is just one of such cases where manipulation is seen in effect. There is those that have more crypto currency and they control most times by selling or creating a speculation in the market and then reap off the benefits of those who don't suspect what happened.
One of the reasons why it is advised to buy and HoDL is so as not to be under constant pressure from the speculation and influenced trends caused by certain volatilities.

The SEC is on about this issue of manipulation big time and if regulators are up and doing, we might have a new kinda semi-decentralized system to checkmate such FUD.

This is a great insight. This just means for me that I remain liquid too with my funds. Zero engagement with the market until there is a clear indication of price genuinely trading in a natural way and not on a high-risk and highly manipulated condition. I mostly do my analysis with purely price action and from other people analysis who read price differently gives me a broader way of looking at it.

I just know that if there is not anything clear in the market, then it is better to avoid it and preserve my capital. I don't forced things in the market, I only react on what it has to offer.

Now we know that manipulators do also take a risk and can fail sometimes but if their attempts are successful, they can also earn a good income with it. Cryptos are continuously getting popular so the regulations are also getting tighter from time to time. The US country are badly affected at this point. Many are panicking and are selling their assets but I can't really blame them.

Those people are only trying what they can to save their assets than if it will get stuck or their country permanently ban crypto but if more individuals are liquidating their assets, that should make the price dump. We need to prepare for it. Either we can sell now early or buy during it.

You know that I am trying to have the kind of thoughts you are conceiving in your mind right now, but like you added, there is not enough solid evidence to back up the claims. It's just like the drug cartels when they want to eliminate another Barron in his territory so that they can dominate there after all the hits and pressure have calmed. I could also agree that there is a possibility that there are just a few rich dudes that are pioneering the whole thing just to refile their portfolio very well, but whatever it is, it is just left for every Bitcoiner to also use the opportunity to accumulate more instead of waiting for the season to end without getting more Bitcoin added to their portfolio. I was just saying last night that almost every bear season, there is always one bad occurrence or something news to always bring down the trend of the market, and after some time, the season gets over and the market begins to uptrend 📈 so sharply.


Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺

You disclosed some main factors which i knew not, and in my opinion, you are totally right about all of these. I also watched how in a short time ETH dumped 5% and then i came to check the market and saw that BTC is also at 24k dollars to 25k dollars. I was like, what!!! what happened, it happened just after the news of the interest rate pause and when i saw that pause news, i thought it was a good factor for the market but after that dump, my sentiments changed and i thought now the market must be making some correction but still there was no factor causing that much dump then one thing came to my mind is, this is manipulation.

i am still unable to figure out that how CRV manipulation could cause that much dump, even toward BTC. Because in the relation of BTC and ALTs, Only BTC can affect the price of other alts not alts can make that impact on BTC. Maybe its more due to the de-pegging of USDT which may be caused by CRV.

I don't know why many have so believed that the market is being manipulated, what can we now say about the riyle of breaking news as well, if one is a trader, you will need many of these experience from different angles to sum up what you have believed in about the trading you're into and how you could accurately get well stationed on the right position for your trades as the market get highly volatile.

There are so many FUDs happening right now that cause the market to dump aside from cryptocurrency's volatility. It's always happening, every bear season, so it's not even knew to me, it's normal. Well, for newcomers, this might give them a panic attack and do panic selling, which can't be help I guess, so the best thing to do is to pause trading for a little bit if you're confused on what's going on with the news and market.

They want to have more regulations to tighten this industry and cryptocurrency market but they don't plan to kill cryptocurrency industry completely. It is big difference and I have different view than people who panic sell. More legislative regulations will make this industry and market better. Because in future, with more legislative regulations, people will be protected more and scammers will have less free space to launch their scam projects without regulatory punishments.

Weak hands will need more bad news in coming months to be shaken out of the market. We are counting down a several last months until the 2024 halving in May next year. I would feel happy if the market has less old weak hands from 2021 till 2023 as it will help the market becomes lighter and more easily to take off in 2024.

Almost now, the price has returned to its normal levels, and the reason for that is that these legislative regulations were not primarily against bitcoin, but rather against stocktaking. Therefore, the price has not changed, and in view of the trading volumes, they are few in order to break the resistance barrier, which means that the weak hands have already sold and all those present are waiting The soonest opportunity to buy more.

It is a state of parity in the market and there is no panic selling, so the price has stabilized.
I also think that Binance is the reason for the recent decline in an attempt to maintain the stability of BNB.

When it goes down majority are selling for whatever reason it is. Either its, fud, time to sell from a trade or someone had to withdraw for mortgage. People always says that manipulation is being on hand. Maybe it is, surely some are doing these but we cant prove for a while and if someone discovered its already done. But what a point to complain if its irreversible though right? Market up and down still 1btc =1 btc.

I don't think everytime a coin goes down then it has to be the whales, No!!

A few years back when we had bounties paying handsomely,  you would find that whenever these guys got paid and chose to sell, a market dip was felt without the so called whales lifting a finger...which tells me sometimes its not always them but the small retail traders making small moves with big impacts and that's one characteristic of cryprocurrencies!

And besides, markets are never keep going up like a tree growing, sometimes it will dip because buying and selling is continuously happening more like a tag of war, whoever wins commands the market direction for that moment .

Man OP you really really like to say "as we know" or "as we all know" but you're talking a lot about stuff most of us don't care about.

People point out that we should look at shitcoin projects because Bitcoin still feels the heat (best example was Luna/Terra last year). But honestly, the effect on Bitcoin is temporary, the bigger problem isn't manipulation in shit projects but the global economy overall. And regulations, like if the US is really going down hard on Bitcoin (not just crypto).

I could write a whole essay on why I think what government is doing right now is connected to some rich person trying to manipulate the market and that is why we are seeing this, and then we are going to see something good which means the whale already bought at the bottom he caused and want to sell at the peak he helped build as well.

But, it is not going to be an interesting to say because it's a full on tinfoil hat theory that I do not have any data to back it up. If we could see who Gary has been getting paid from, legally as donations but also illegally as well which is the hard one, then we can find who caused all this stir up as well, they wanted him to do this and he did it because he was bribed by them, which they will make more money back again.

True, while traders and investors try to find a justification about why the price moves the way it does, most of the time this is done after the fact, basically the price first present a movement and then people try to find a reason for it.

And while sometimes we can indeed explain some of the movements of an asset and trace it back to some kind of fundamental news, I am convinced the majority of the time the movements we see on the market simply happen due to the supply and demand, and no other factor mattered at all.

I don't think that a while could manipulate the whole market unless if he is Elon Musk or someone with that much capital to dump the market. I would rather go with exchanges than a whale because the exchanges wouldn't let the BTC's price to go up and if it goes up then many of the futures traders with huge leverages will earn a lot from their open positions.

The market may see another dump but the chances are very low for that to happen. I think the market will recover once again from this pressure and the BTC will gain some more dollars in its price in coming weeks. This time the pump will be of a slow nature but it will most likely happen. There are some chances for a small dump again, but that won't impact the market by huge levels.

Market will always find a reason to fall for many to discuss it. There have been various biase for the falling reason of which some conclude interest rate to be the cause, some point to the cryptocurrency exchanges like binance and coinbase under the watch of US government. Whatever may be the case, I think it is natural to find a reason to discuss on the fall, it is also the same when price begin to increase and different reasons like Elon musk and other whales going into the market. It is better to understand that the crypto market is about rise and fall, don't depend on the reason to buy or sell because it will not matter but depend on your DCA strategy.

Haha i wasn't expecting the senior to be so bad in analysis, SEC made its action on the 5th of June market crashed then in 24 hours made a decent pull back try but failed and bro for you information market did a good recovery after that event event it was back on track. So you are saying to me that 5th of Junes impact made market crash again last day. I don't think so you are really getting the point or not, my topic was related to the FOMC pause on the interest rate and even with no negative news and positive trading emotion market crashed then i discovered these reasons behind the scene (since Last 24 Hours of my Topic).

Hope so you've got it if not and still trying to rush on rather than understanding the domain I cant help you. Try to read patiently  haha not by just reading the title.


Pretending, to be cool but its really not believe me dear.
Don't worry I will make sure that you'll learn on responding to something serious by my content. So stick to it.

it may not be manipulation, especially since the price did not change strongly, and therefore if it was manipulation, it is not profitable, especially since the price did not change except by 3%, which appears as a daily and usual trading pattern. there has been a lot of regulation in the past weeks with the possibility of more exchanges leaving the US, more individuals have already liquidated what they have or are moving away from the platforms for the time being so we have not seen an increase in the price but rather an attempt to hold the previous support levels although options are still open for the price to re-test prices close to the resistance level.

The human nature to see a downtrend as something bad or that someone out there made them lose the money invested by playing tricks on things they cannot control.

This is common in speculative trading and there the hunt for reason is futile here. But most wannabe traders cannot digest this fact without passing some obnoxious smelling wind.

I suggest users to treat them as just numbers going up and down, dont ask why its cycling like that. Then follow the buy low and sell high method and make your money. The patient waiting time in between will vary and that needs to be endured.

The crypto market indeed is a very volatile market, and it doesn't always respond in predictable ways to different events like the one you mentioned, FEDs interest rates. One event might send prices soaring one day, and the same thing happens, we might see something else. We might see it have no affect at all, or in worst case scenario, we might see the price dropping like it happened this time. As for manipulation, yes it is certainly possible that whales or centralized exchanges might shake the market a bit, but it is usually short-lived. They usually tend NOT to be very manipulative because it might backfire them, and eventually in the long run, the whole market together, gains more control over those whales.

Let's think that it wasn't the whales that did it but because the traders panicked after they read all the news out there that they thought something would happen to the crypto market. Currently, there are not many whales capable of moving the market because to do so, they would require a very large amount of funds (we are talking very large amounts of money).

The situation now is different from a few years ago, when whales could move prices in the market in past years because not many traded in the crypto market. But ever since Bitcoin rose to $20k, many people from the stock market and others have entered the crypto market. They don't know how the crypto market moves so if they get news, they panic because they think the same thing will happen in the crypto market.

You could say that it is because of centralized market manipulation. But is that really what happened? We don't know for sure. We can only guess. And for now, we should be wise in looking at situations and conditions and not panic when everything goes differently from our analysis. And the important thing is that we can still use the moment of decline to buy and sell it when the moment of increase occurs.

if everyone expects it to go up after the news...it's logical that it shouldn't. Anyone who expect it to pump after news will frontrun this event to earn as much as possible don't you think? So the price will start to rise earlier. When will they take profits? After the news. Trading the market is not about reacting to the news, but about predicting it 6-12 months in advance to take profits where most investors think it's about to go up.

From a logical point of view, it is not possible for the price to pump when everyone thinks it will, because it contradicts the fact that the stock market is a zero-sum game and the profits of one investor are the loss of another (and even negative-sum game, taking into account exchange commissions, market makers and arbitrage traders profits)

Contrary to popular opinion, there doesn't need to be a specific reason for a market to drop in price to be able to justify it. Why is it always manipulation when prices are going down, but it's all fine and dandy and no one questions it when prices are going up?

You found a point. Market falls and downs because of interest rate. Interest rate increased many times, market falls many times. Interest rate paused to rise more, market falls. What is a correlation between interest rate and the market trend. Nothing else except psychological effect which is exploited by market makers to manipulate the market.

They are not convincing reasons and are not real reasons. Don't try to explain market falls with what you find because those events, news are planned to release as part of plan to make you feel the market has good reasons for its fall.

Tell me you are not aware of the U.S. government trying to crack down the use of crypto. Also, you are not aware of the issues with some exchanges being charged by the SEC. It's suggested that all these recent activity is what is contributing to the price decline in the crypto market.

Just tonight, one user here just mentioned the quote below, that most people are not even aware of the recent happenings in the crypto space, and I had doubts that it was a very accurate assumption, but indeed, it is just the truth.



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I was wondering why the market is falling even after the pause on the interest rate by FMOC. There were fundamental reasons even which can dump the market and negative sentiments were as well under control. I was trying to find some reasons and found many things interconnecting with each other. The primary reason was market manipulation.

Centralized Market Manipulation


As we know that some sites and unofficial sources before the meeting confirmed that there will be no change in the interest rate. So as the predictions were clear most of the traders were expecting the pump in the market so I was as well, Centralized Exchanges took advantage of the trader's sentiments and tried to push BTC below its major support level to liquidate the future trades. As always the market is somehow manipulated by the exchanges.

Curve Finance's Fud

There is Fud ongoing related to the CRV as we know a huge amount of the total supply is owned by the founder of CRV and he took a loan from Aave Aave by providing 289M CRV supply as collateral and took a loan of 63M USDT against his collateral. Now CRV market is continuously falling down and there is a huge risk of the liquidation of the Laon Collateral if it happens CRV will fall freely because there are no buyers in the market and it will make a great impact on the overall market. This was also a prominent reason I found that some retailers and maximum institutional market holders are taking an exit.

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Whales Playing Dirty tricks again

ETH was dumped at high and again here we found a manipulation by the whale, He is not only manipulating the ETH but also trying to put pressure on CRV Finance and 3 POOL (Stablecoin liquidity pool). A whale is continuously taking the sell trades on USDT on 3Pool to put pressure on the liquidity and there are high chances if the whale continues their manipulation that USDT might get depressed again and it will bring a huge disaster in the market. Even my fears are market won't be able to hold on to the current support level.

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