Market freedom collapsing projects at exchanges.

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

People are allowed to sell at any price of their choice at exchanges. This is collapsing some tokens value and has contributed to pump and dump.This do not reflect the actual values of some of the tokens.And investors make loses.Some investors buy cheap with huge bonuses at private sales so together with some hunters contribute to low prices at exchanges. The private sales buyers are one of the major dumpers because of the huge bonuses they get.So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

Why do think that it doesn't reflect the real value of the tokens? If that tokens has real usage, then it will take off no matter what the pump-and-dump groups do. But if they are shitcoins, then don't expect them to have value because sooner or later, without any development it will die a natural death. Limiting the price? LOL, that's one of the worst advise I have heard. Don't blame the bounty hunters, that's what they are good at, looking for bounties and they don't fucking care about the tokens, once it is listed, BOOM, sell everything convert to bitcoin/fiat and move on the next bounty. Rinse and Repeat.

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Limiting the price at exchanges is nonsense, it might lose the token's chance to grow into so much more. The market is meant to be moved by the activities of traders and if the exchange set limits, the traders would lose interest tok because they will have less power to manipulate the price of coins. Manipulating the token is not always a bad thing. For bigger people, it is a strategy to lift up what is worth lifting up. Manipulating just becomes an awful word when newbies try to trade because they make tokens dump.

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I agree with you and I also consider that this problem is not a fiction because institutional investors have huge capitals which gives them much more beneficial conditions for trading and investing. We know that institutional investors buy coins and tokens with well discounts on private sales. I should acknowledge that individual investors are stayed in much less beneficial conditions than institutional ones. It need to change something cardinally but I do not know what.

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

People are allowed to sell at any price of their choice at exchanges. This is collapsing some tokens value and has contributed to pump and dump.

wrong and wrong.
it is as you said a free market, people are allowed to sell at any price they want and they chose to dump those tokens because they decided that they are not worth much and they didn't see any future for any of them.
pump and dumps is a very different thing. and it seems like nobody these days dislikes them anymore. people actually starting to love pump and dump since it can make some shitcoin they were holding worth a lot more!

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This do not reflect the actual values of some of the tokens.And investors make loses.Some investors buy cheap with huge bonuses at private sales so together with some hunters contribute to low prices at exchanges. The private sales buyers are one of the major dumpers because of the huge bonuses they get.So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

your main problem is that you read some bullshit that these ICO advertisers told you about their token and you are now thinking they have actually been doing something real!
in reality they are all terrible and this eventuality that you are seeing was expected from them. it is not really weird to see them getting dumped like this!

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Everything is calm to solve the problem should not rush to make out the lack of mercy. The market has increased. That is too normal. It is important that the psychology of each person is not stable and always afraid of loss. Certainly these are the thoughts of new and less experienced people. They are also part of the market but, wait a little longer, everything will be better.

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It is true that the private investors that does get the bonus from the ICO and does the majority of the dump that is happening after it is listed in the exchanges, so the misconception that the bounty hunters does the dump is entirely wrong. But making limitations in prices in the exchanges will definitely be not ideal as the prices are made by how many people have invested on the tokens.

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this sort of thing already has some anticipation, such as minimum number of WD is limited, minimum number make Order in limit and amount of Fee in exaggerate. there is a market that does that, so people will think 2 x if selling in that market.

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

People are allowed to sell at any price of their choice at exchanges. This is collapsing some tokens value and has contributed to pump and dump.This do not reflect the actual values of some of the tokens.And investors make loses.Some investors buy cheap with huge bonuses at private sales so together with some hunters contribute to low prices at exchanges. The private sales buyers are one of the major dumpers because of the huge bonuses they get.So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

There is only one price - what the market decides; i.e. what a seller and buyer can agree upon. If you do not agree with it, then just hold on to your coins. Price might fluctuate at a lot, but eventually it will converge to its true value. You just have to be very patient and hold till the price is correct and you can sell.

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Of course community itself will decide if price will go up or not. But the initial will be started by whales..

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

People are allowed to sell at any price of their choice at exchanges. This is collapsing some tokens value and has contributed to pump and dump.This do not reflect the actual values of some of the tokens.And investors make loses.Some investors buy cheap with huge bonuses at private sales so together with some hunters contribute to low prices at exchanges. The private sales buyers are one of the major dumpers because of the huge bonuses they get.So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

It seems like almost every exchange has no minimum amount to buy and sell, so I guess that with the minimum amount of buying and selling will not be possible even if it is a very good move. We realize with the greed of many people then they will always seek exchanges that have the freedom to buy and sell.

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

People are allowed to sell at any price of their choice at exchanges. This is collapsing some tokens value and has contributed to pump and dump.This do not reflect the actual values of some of the tokens.And investors make loses.Some investors buy cheap with huge bonuses at private sales so together with some hunters contribute to low prices at exchanges. The private sales buyers are one of the major dumpers because of the huge bonuses they get.So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

Private sales are a must for projects sice they eed initial funds to get their project rolling,and the most efficient way to get investors on private sales is to offer big bonuses...So yeah that include that investing in last ICO phases is not worth it and will in 90% of cases result in a loss instead of profit,only early investors gets to make profit.

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

People are allowed to sell at any price of their choice at exchanges. This is collapsing some tokens value and has contributed to pump and dump.This do not reflect the actual values of some of the tokens.And investors make loses.Some investors buy cheap with huge bonuses at private sales so together with some hunters contribute to low prices at exchanges. The private sales buyers are one of the major dumpers because of the huge bonuses they get.So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

Free markets are not a choice, it is the only system known to work, what you are suggesting has happened many times through history and never ends well, before the French revolution there were bread riots, the King then created price controls but this caused the bakers to sell their bread for a price below production costs, what did the bakers do? They stopped producing bread since they did not had the money to produce more of it and this created an even greater scarcity, so what you are proposing is known not to work.

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

Whaaaat? This is like those stupid SJWs trying to limit free speech because they don't like criticism. Free markets are great as long as they work in your favor, right?

Most of these ICO tokens are worthless because they're inherently worthless, meaning there's no good reason for most to exist. Bounty hunters, I would imagine, don't really care about owning any of them; they're more interested in converting them to bitcoin and from there probably to fiat. Setting a minimum price for any of these pieces of shit isn't going to happen. Once exchanges start telling you the lowest price you could pay for anything, the game's over. And I assume you wouldn't be in favor of them setting a maximum price, right? Yeah, didn't think so.

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Quote from: jayyen on July 22, 2018, 01:40:12 PM

-snip- limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

Basically the worst thing you can do. Think about it, who will decide the final price, at what basis, when?
What you are proposing is price fixing, which is considered illegal in the modern world.
Best case scenario results in highly regulated market but who will do the regulations, government? I'm immediately screaming no!
That's communism dude... it always ends with shots in the back of a head, in the midst of a dark forest (no joke).
Forget about regulations, real freedom makes all this crypto-gig worth something. Without IT its all lost!

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People are allowed to sell at any price of their choice at exchanges. This is collapsing some tokens value and has contributed to pump and dump.This do not reflect the actual values of some of the tokens.And investors make loses.Some investors buy cheap with huge bonuses at private sales so together with some hunters contribute to low prices at exchanges. The private sales buyers are one of the major dumpers because of the huge bonuses they get.So if there are limitations on the price at exchanges, it will help.

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