Topic: Market manipulation should be prosecuted (Read 417 times)

There are hundreds of measures to be done to regulate crypto currencies, but no one can do that because it is decentralized.

this is something that is not real.  How can large players of the market be held accountable.  They just manage their money correctly.  This is the market, the more money the more opportunities.

We can't do anything about that, big holders can easily manipulate the price. They have the greater factor on which track the bitcoin will go. But manipulator has no power to fully control bitcoin, they can just make some short term changes but the normal thing would eventually come back. So don't worry, just mind your own investment and make it bece greater in volume.

It's easy to propose an idea but how feasible is it for actualization. How can you identify who is in into market manipulations and what can you define as manipulations? 

If I have 1m$ n invest it in a cheap marketcap project n causes the price to skyrocket up-to 10 times its value. If I take my profit does that qualify as manipulations?

Market manipulation take different shades and form and apart from those glaringly manipulation we see in the market,  the bulk of market manipulation is unseen and prosecuting what we may not have evidence of would be impossible.

It's interesting because the short squeeze a little while ago that started this rally could most likely be manipulation. That would have to be somebody inside with the knowledge of the shorts, though. They would have to know the margin order books. At any one time the exchanges don't have very much on them, all things considered. Also I don't think Bitcoin is regulated like that yet to punish manipulators.

There will be no manipulation when the bitcoin capitalization reaches a trillion dollars. Just on the stock exchanges are now relatively small volumes of trading, and scammers use it.

The purchase and sale of crypto-currency on the exchange is a legitimate, and voluntary act. Nobody makes you buy or sell. For your actions, no one is responsible except you. If you think this is unfair, just do not do it.

Even those whale also manipulating so many stock market, and they don't get prosecuted, It's just your privilege that when you have so much money you can almost do anything and there's no stopping on it.
Gold, and any precious minerals are said being manipulated since decades ago, and you know what, there's an article that discuss about this,showing the chart looks exactly like what bitcoin has.

It is really is so hard to track those people specially if they were divided in different part of the world. There are thousands of traders involve in pump and dump group. Those whales also using crypto news as their medium to manipulate the price of cryptocurrencty and the number one source of market manipulation, don't they? I believe that some exchanges are offering a reward to someone give useful information about this big time P&D groups.

Then what happens?do you have some ideas how to implement this?and have some hints whos this you said GROUPs?this is the way how market play and if youre not a whale you have no access into anything about this issue..

We cant change this ,because while others losing theres a group of members that nice to be winning so this is the cycle and what makes market strong

Lol you can not do that and it won't happens.
it's like you are asking/trying to ban corruptor from your country,many people has something called 'Greed' and it can not be cured.
(some people will find a way to help them out,they will do that because the corruptor offers them 'something' in return and in the end everything become normal again just like before)
in other words,you are asking about something that impossible.
unless you do that on your dream not in reality

Thats right, you got it, whales and market manipulators should be banned in this market, they had done so much losses to the newbie traders and investors. I think they should be fair to others, Other people wanted to make some profit in cryptocurrency, but the price is unpredictable because a lot market pump and dumpers.

Anyway next time, i maybe suggest to my friends that they should invest to the currency where it has a future and the developers are active, so that in the long run, its gaining more profit and gaining support from the community. Long term holding is best for this type of currency, as compared to the newly open tokens and coins.

For me, i hold ethereum and bitcoin which i believe it has a future in the long period of time.

If there was no manipulation, the market would be predictable, and it would not be possible for it to earn such small fish like us.
Let's think, are not you manipulating when buying or selling any coins? You also try to put the price higher or lower, thereby affecting the price of the coin.

The cryptocurrency market is totally unregulated and there is no regulatory authority. for a beginner who invests in the world of crypto must learn a lot and often seek information about the movement of the crypto market to know how to handle when there is a market manipulation situation. the easiest strategy in terms of price manipulation is to hold the coins we have until the market recovers. When the long-term investment required only patience because after the price drop by the whale, surely after that will experience a price increase.

Yes it should be necessary to think of a third party to at least make sure the project owner completes the job as promised.

Actually, in "real world", stock markets are regulated if we compare them to crypto markets. You can't pump and dump there, because it is illegal to do so. So, trading stocks is a little bit more secure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't invest in crypto. To each their own. But I agree with you, such actions should be prosecuted, but then this brings regulation and crypto world becomes less anonymous. Well, you can't have everything, they say.

Marketing manipulation should indeed be prosecuted, but again the manipulators dont do it openly and leave evidence enough to prosecute them. the final decision on what to do with the coin is also not coaxed hence mking it very difficult to prosecute

Not sure if that was true until you can try to prove it by give any reliable source about that. According to this site https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html and less than 90% of bitcoin has owned by less than 1% of total address that has already registered in the bitcoin blockchain.

I do not know why some people find joy in making others to cry. I just kept on wondering that, how would they derive joy in making others to cry. Manipulators, definitely should be made to pay for their ill actions. Cryptocurrency should be allowed to take a smooth course.

Learn to manimulate by yourself and you'll start fighting aganst regulators

The last couple days have proofed your point, there is definitely a problem with market manipulation and I also believe that this should be tackled.

Market manipulation becomes one of the chapters set forth in Law Number 8 of 1995 concerning the Capital Market ("Capital Market Law"), namely in Chapter XI. As regulated in Article 91 of the Capital Market Law, market manipulation is an action undertaken by any party directly or indirectly in order to create a false or misleading image of a trade, market situation, or stock price in a securities exchange.

 
Meanwhile, the definition of cornering the market (cornering) according to the Blacks Law Dictionary is:

 
"A" corner (cornering the market) "is a condition arising when a given quantity of commodity is sold for future delivery within a given period of can be purchased in the market."

 
Within the scope of the Capital Market in Indonesia, the above definition is in accordance with the provisions of Article 92 of the Capital Market Law, which reads:

 
"Each Party, either individually or jointly with another Party, is prohibited from conducting two (2) Securities transactions or more, either directly or indirectly, causing the price of Securities in the Stock Exchange to remain, rise or decrease with the intention of affecting the Parties another to buy, sell or hold Securities. "

 
Subject to the provisions of the foregoing article, the prohibited elements of action are:

- Conducting two or more securities transactions, either directly or indirectly;

- Causes the price of securities in the fixed, rising, or falling stock exchanges;

- For the purpose of influencing other parties to buy, sell, or hold securities.

 
As stipulated in Article 104 of the Capital Market Law, any party violating the provisions of Article 92 above shall be subject to imprisonment of a maximum of 10 (ten) years and a maximum fine of Rp 15 billion.

Everybody knows that the biggest criminals are in Wall street, but no one prosecute any of them unless is so scandal that is impossible to hide. This here is totally unregulated market. Who will prosecute, who will investigate? Everything is anonymous.

If you can't beat them, join them. Lot of traders are doing this method since they can't compete to those manipulators, all they have to do is to become smart and wise enough to outplay them but for those who do not know how to play it like a pro. They will suffer from the wrath of losing their investments, and also for listening to the FUD they really showed that they were weak to hold.

Manipulators everywhere, make peace with it and play according to their rules. You can not do anything against them, of course there are markets where manipulator actions are limited but they have always been, are and will be

Hardly should be in my eyes. Why should somebody be prosecuted for something that isn't illegal? Insider trading is illegal in stock markets, but there is no regulation here which means it isn't illegal. That is like you getting a speeding ticket on the autobahn because a cop felt like giving you a ticket. It shouldn't happen, and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever as it goes against what the current laws reflect.

This is one of the many reasons why regulators across the globe are cracking down upon crypto. The market is heavily unregulated and many are targeted by scammers. This year has been a busy one, most importantly for those looking for clear guidance on regulatory matters. A lot of new investors were caught up in the crypto frenzy when the price mooned above $10,0000 for the first time, those people then sold after the crash, deflating the prices on the market.

We are still in wild wild west of crypto world with little regulation. Unless that comes, deal with, whales will always manipulate market, just need to have strong hands.

Market manipulation is and will always be part of crypto. One of the things people like about this space is the anonymity. How would we prosecute those who are anonymous? In the future, if every exchange required KYC for trades, this will hurt the overall market and the anonymous nature.

I agree that market manipulation should be prosecuted, but this is not going to happen without any serious regulations. I would say that this is impossible at this time.

Yes it should be but unfortunately that's not possible because you cannot stop and stop those who manipulate the market since they have a very well plan that they are following in order to get what they want. Exchangers can't bann any account just because he bought or sold a coin at a different price than the market because everyone has the right to do anything they want with their coins. The whales that are manipulating the market are very strong, they have lots of money and they can do a lot of things.

On the other hand market manipulation brings a lot of money and profit to many people. You are just one of those people who didn't successfully got their profit, it's all about risk when it comes to this market, what matters most is how you will approach these manipulations.

All markets in the world are manipulated, from Forex to Stocks to Gold to Crypto. The game is rigged, if you want to play you have to learn inside a rigged market. If you understand the rules of manipulation, you can even end up trading better.

Without manipulators, there will not be such up and down movements, because most altcoyins are now growing from such actions.

90-99% of all the Bitcoin is owned by 1% of all the users.
Bitcoin is an improvement to the monetary system only in efficiency. The main issue of the previous fiat currencies is more abundant in Bitcoin which is the concentration of the elites wealth making all other users slaves for the system.
Fair distribution and manipulation proof are the most important elements needed.
Also note the volatility as a way they increase their holdings through manipulation.
The entire crypto shere has been infiltrated not only bitcoin.

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Get involved and help expose the manipulation!

This is one of the reasons why regulations is important to curb the market. but really how can you know who has manipulated the market? its impossible because of the anonymity which crypto provides. If i have one million dollars and use it to buy (pump) a small market cap coin, thereafter i sell when the price has increased, will you call it manipulation? this is just me using my money to make more money. Its difficult to know who has and is manipulating the market.

Wonder which and where you want to draw the line worthy of prosecution and whats the specific criteria, roping in news hypes, changing laws, internet giants or even policy makers. Whether the market is red or green, someone somewhere is always elated or disappointed. I think your time will be better spent educating yourself in the workings of the market for universal profit.

Market manipulation is not an alien concept. It’s present in all sorts of market. It’s tough to control it actually. Even hard to identify at early stage what’s manipulating. And I don’t think, manipulations affects the Crypto market that much. Your knowledge and patience will save you here.

Crypto manipulation is another way of earning money because of it's history  of effectiveness as some people are rushing to invest when some altcoins were starting to pump but after few days suddenly that Altcoin will drop Lower than the price value that you invested.
That's really on of the worst experience when crypto investor is investing out of FOMO (fear of messing out)

Crypto market manipulators are real and they're real. it's a group of pump ad dump idiots that are making money using their scheme.
That's why people should understand that if there's sudden pump of coin, it is not the valid reason why we should invest out of FOMO.
we should spend research on altcoins that we're about invest and stick on it because Crypto market can be manipulated by groups or number of idiots.

It definately can be done and I have stated how.

Besides if crypto goes into general use it will grow and grow for a long time. No need for someone to lose in order for others to get get filthy rich.

However the manipulators will rather scare people away by causing massive volatility and prevent general use. They don't want many people prospering. Shame on them.

Easier said than done. First of all, it's really hard to detect who's actually manipulating it and track them down to actually persecute them...

Market manipulation is part of the game. We, who do not have enough power to manipulate the market, can however try to understand in what direction it will be manipulated, and then take advantage of it.

i concur with u 100%  they should be prosecuted

In my opinion,  if there is a manipulation  in the crypto market perhaps it has been existing before being a part of this crypto community. I may say that for every investment you made,  risk is already part of it
and we cannot deny that one. Due to volatility of the crypto currency, price fluctuations is inevitable that cannot be controlled.

It is impossible to stop those people who manipulate the market because they have the power to do it while we as small investors cant do absolutely anything. In order to stop them you need to have a power than is bigger than theirs and that is more money wich I dont think we all have because I order to manipulate bitcoin price or any other market you got to work with millions of dollars. Somehow I think we can take advantage from those who manipulate the market because in order for them to make profit the price has to rise so we will all get in profit.

I dont think it will reach to that point its like you are forgetting somethign why we are all here,for decentralization and that means most of the people wont agree if some regulations with these ICOs will occur,but i see that is the only way to stop these scams and manipulations in the market  if there will be some governance our life will be much easier here.

You should get used to it on where there are really whales or price manipulators would really have an involvement into things which would really generate profits for them and cryptocurrency isnt an exclusion.I do highly believe that they are involve into these price movements. Fuds,regulations,bans,News and other factors is one of the reasons why these prices are moving that way. Fundamentals is always the basis for most traders. Prosecuting them would really be nearly impossible.

Market manipulation is not prosecuted in crypto because there is no specific regulation for  it and it is anyway much harder to proof and follow than other markets.

Where is your idea? I do not understand how you want to realize this. Plus the question is unclear - for example, I have a lot of tokens. I want to sell them very cheaply - and thus I omit their market price. It is my right. Do you want to take it away?

How do you expect these market manipulations and scams will stop? we are a decentralized community and most of the people doesnt want to have regulations from the government that is why it wont stop if you asked me,because if these governments will going to kick in our market wont be that decentralized because surely there will be plenty of regulations!

Absolutely agree. But there is a big question: How can a judicial system that works to protect power protect the order in the market of cryptocurrencies, which in turn are a threat to this power?

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the crypto market is built on decentralized network so no one have question or authority to question we need to handle the situation

I admit, your intentions and intentions may be good, they are to be legally prosecuted, for their very annoying and disadvantageous social behaviors to the weak little investor. I think it is not easy we will definitely find some obstacles especially anonymity of ownership which is very difficult to use as 'evidence'.

Manipulation on the stock market (flash crashes etc.) will get you sued by the SEC. If regulation will kick in, it will be harder to manipulate the market. I for one can't wait.

Crypto market was always manipulated, but it didn't prevent most of us from earning money. So all you need to do is to adopt it and learn how to deal with this manipulation. The easiest strategy is to hold until the market is red. Those who manipulate it will definitely make it grow again, so all we need is patience.

You have to know one thing this market manipulation in cryptocurrency market many people rich and many poor to regret on thier investment. One thing is clear it’s risky market to invest.

If you cant take it anymore you are free to get out from the market,because cryptocurrencies are surely not a place for you,the market volatility makes it much profitable compare the other markets that is why you will need to adopt every situation that we have so that you wont end up losing your money everytime the market has completely dumped.

well , as long as we're not in power, it's a conspiracy    . Great uncle to manipulate the market . But soon the market will be regulated and there will be no such big jumps and drops

I completely mind market manipulation!

Are you saying you are OK with people setting up massive sell orders and cancelling them just before they execute, so it looks like there are lots of people wanting to sell when really the manipulator wants to keep the price low so they can buy more?

Or how about people that trade with themselves, so it doesn't matter what the coin price is to them?

Or how about news stories being released over a sustained period to drive the price in a certain direction?

I think regulation is much needed and as soon as we get some the institutional money will flow in

absolute stupidity. you're still suing the stock exchanges, for me it's the same thing

I think market manipulation is the nature of markets. If its done legally by big holders I really don't mind it at all. They act like realistic pragmatic people in market. But who knows maybe in future there may be huge laws against crypto manipulators too.

Unfortunately it's painful to lose and see other people losing, but we should not take encryption seriously, but to consider as a game, a game that requires strategies and knowledge to seek gain, loss is part of the structure and norms of this game. The market is much more than just making money, recognizing and learning from it makes us grow.

 

I believe that today`s crypto investors have no idea what cryptocurrency is all about

I understand the good intention, but since virtually all the statements of politicians have as their purpose to manipulate the market, I do not see how we can succeed in punishing those responsible.

Sorry to admit this, but yes, crypto market is highly maniputlated and we will wait for long till this is gone... Trading is the activity where someone loses in order for another one to gain.

The crypto market is not regulated like the stocks, bond, and other regulated markets. If you invest for the long-term and take good coins, the market manipulation will not affect you along the way.

You should know that you will need plenty of money to be able to manipulate a single candle of bitcoin,billions of dollars to be exact that is why the only people who can do that are from financial giants CME and Wallsteet to be exact that is why the market is getting more complicated since these financial instutions joined our market obviously these people are responsible with the pumps and dumps of bitcoin's value.

I did not lose anything, thanks. Are you saying it is OK people are losing money due to manipulators? Because this in NOT normal market movement. Open your eyes.

Strict KYC, exchanges to disclose identities of manipulators to the authorities, private currency trades limited to small amounts, it can be done. Oh and prosecute ICO scams and pump and dump groups as well.

You can successfully trade in a falling market. Learn to do it and you will not be saddened by the course.

I think we all understand that this area (Cryptocurrency) is not regulated.
This is a wild space and a lot of risks. So, if I may ask, what was your suggestion for the right regulation for Crypto?

Where were you when this same manipulation was making so many people rich? i didn't hear you complaining about this same manipulation. Just cause you invested at the top and are now regretting it doesn't means that you expect the manipulation to be stopped.

How do you know who was a party that has already manipulated the market?

It seems a bit difficult to be implemented. In fact, the people with more than million dollars can manipulate or at least driving the market easily.

Not only on the price and chart but the news can be manipulated to destroy or create big FOMO to the little shrimps.

I just curious about what's your idea about that?

Here is an idea for regulation work groups if anyone is listening. I am sick and tired of manipulators bringing losses to so many.