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June 06, 2022, 02:48:16 PM
#35
I had no idea what I had in store for me as I took this first step down the rabbit hole.  I believe I ended up spending $1,400 on a maching with 2x GPUs in it.  I thought it was awesome and within a year I had GPUs hanging from wires throughout my home office that were liquid cooled with a giant central radiator.  I miss the daily struggle of having the latest software and settings to maximize return.  It all felt so hands on back then.  What a ride it's been...
Back in 2013 I remember starting on a tiny Radeon HD 7850 video card, then in just a week, revenue plunged from $1/day to just $0.50/day. Difficulty doubled in just 2 weeks. Then I learned about Butterfly Labs and the other ASIC companies. From there, my mining journey was full of making it big, losing it all, recovering losses and ending up at the same point I started, except with a lot more knowledge.

I believe my first GPU purchases for mining were of HD6870s.  They weren't the best miners out, but their 5850 counterparts were impossible to find anywhere.  That was the first thing that struck me about Bitcoin when I first learned of it...  I found it amazing that it created such demand for GPUs, even before anyone had heard of it, that you couldn't find a single 5800 series GPU anywhere.  I eventually fell into the Butterfly Labs trap myself, losing close to 500 BTC in the process, but as with you I had gained a great deal of knowledge.  Fast forward another couple of years and this whole Bitcoin fad became the thing I spent most of my time working on (working for is probably a better description).
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June 04, 2022, 08:49:24 PM
#34
I had no idea what I had in store for me as I took this first step down the rabbit hole.  I believe I ended up spending $1,400 on a maching with 2x GPUs in it.  I thought it was awesome and within a year I had GPUs hanging from wires throughout my home office that were liquid cooled with a giant central radiator.  I miss the daily struggle of having the latest software and settings to maximize return.  It all felt so hands on back then.  What a ride it's been...
Back in 2013 I remember starting on a tiny Radeon HD 7850 video card, then in just a week, revenue plunged from $1/day to just $0.50/day. Difficulty doubled in just 2 weeks. Then I learned about Butterfly Labs and the other ASIC companies. From there, my mining journey was full of making it big, losing it all, recovering losses and ending up at the same point I started, except with a lot more knowledge.
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June 04, 2022, 06:14:23 PM
#33
There was an article published about it on Yahoo.  I signed up to check it out.  My old computer is getting 900KHash/sec right now.  lol

I'm considering upgrading and giving this bitcoin thing a go.  Question: How much could a guy expect to make mining in a pool with a new $1,000 machine (purchased wisely)?

My first post...  11 years ago.  I had no idea what I had in store for me as I took this first step down the rabbit hole.  I believe I ended up spending $1,400 on a maching with 2x GPUs in it.  I thought it was awesome and within a year I had GPUs hanging from wires throughout my home office that were liquid cooled with a giant central radiator.  I miss the daily struggle of having the latest software and settings to maximize return.  It all felt so hands on back then.  What a ride it's been...
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June 05, 2011, 08:04:02 AM
#32
There was an article published about it on Yahoo.  I signed up to check it out.  My old computer is getting 900KHash/sec right now.  lol

I'm considering upgrading and giving this bitcoin thing a go.  Question: How much could a guy expect to make mining in a pool with a new $1,000 machine (purchased wisely)?

Far less than you'll make by buying $1000 worth of bitcoins and sitting on them.

Exactly, at the current rate your $1000 investment would be worth $5000 within 1-2 months.

I believe every single person thats started mining to date could have made far more money investing money into bitcoin rather than mining hardware.

If everyone invested into bitcoin, there wouldnt be any bitcoins to invest in.

Remember, both sides of the spoon needs to exist in order to make this market work.

That is not true. An average of at least 50 BTC every ten minutes will be generated no matter how few miners there are (so long as there is at least one).
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June 05, 2011, 07:51:33 AM
#31
You guys realize that you just told this guy that a new $1000 mining rig would never generate more than 55 coins, right? Because by "buying $1000 worth of coins and sitting on it" thats essentially what you did. 55 coins 1 year from now will be 55 coins. $1000 if spent on computer hardware will net 50 coins in about 18 days on solo mining (average). Id be PISSED if I took your advice, because after 18 days both methods would be out $1000, but in one scenario you still can generate coins, and have hardware you can sell. If you need help here, it ISNT the scenario where you buy 55 coins outright.
Until hardware arrives and is up and running, the difficulty might be at ~1 million. Keep in mind that currently difficulty rises at ~50% every 10 days.

It is highly unlikely in my opinion to even mine 50 BTC during the lifetime of a new 1000USD machine.

You seem to me lke the guy in that story that agrees to put 1 grain of rice on the first field of a chess board and double the amount on each following one.

With 1 GH/s you get today:
2.3 BTC
and looking at the growth charts at http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ on average 4% less PER DAY. Just do the math yourself...
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June 05, 2011, 07:28:41 AM
#30

I'll one up your user directory of businesses with my browser integration....

How's bitcoin://1234567890addyHere:1.0amount:Comment to have the official client fire bitcoins off on mouseclicks?


Yes, that too Wink We need to get rid of the addresses for normal simple transfers - not in the protocol, but I should not have to copy/paste that. I like the link.

One disadvantage of the protocol is that one can not attach any information to a transaction... which means at the end either people send fancy numbers (pay 2BTC, send 2.00004322) or use one receiving address per client / invoice. The later is nicer, but adds a lot of complexity to the bookkeeping and handling side. This needs to be sorted out.




65 Coins? Is that a housenumber?  How do you get that number? I for myself are mining with a single 5870 Card sind 3 days and got 2,5 coins since now.
Now i am building two mining rigs With around 1,2GH/s each, and I am looking forward to get those online on tuesday evening. That will result in 6 Times the outcome at the current difficulty. So that means 15 Coins in 3 days or 5 Coins a day. I think it will be around 14 days to the next difficulty increase (after the one tomorrow). So i would say: 65 Coins are mined within 3 weeks.

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June 05, 2011, 05:11:11 AM
#29

I'll one up your user directory of businesses with my browser integration....

How's bitcoin://1234567890addyHere:1.0amount:Comment to have the official client fire bitcoins off on mouseclicks?


Yes, that too Wink We need to get rid of the addresses for normal simple transfers - not in the protocol, but I should not have to copy/paste that. I like the link.

One disadvantage of the protocol is that one can not attach any information to a transaction... which means at the end either people send fancy numbers (pay 2BTC, send 2.00004322) or use one receiving address per client / invoice. The later is nicer, but adds a lot of complexity to the bookkeeping and handling side. This needs to be sorted out.
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June 05, 2011, 05:06:39 AM
#28
You guys realize that you just told this guy that a new $1000 mining rig would never generate more than 55 coins, right? Because by "buying $1000 worth of coins and sitting on it" thats essentially what you did. 55 coins 1 year from now will be 55 coins. $1000 if spent on computer hardware will net 50 coins in about 18 days on solo mining (average). Id be PISSED if I took your advice, because after 18 days both methods would be out $1000, but in one scenario you still can generate coins, and have hardware you can sell. If you need help here, it ISNT the scenario where you buy 55 coins outright.
maybe 65 BTC per GHash/s with difficulty increasing as in the past is all he will ever mine.
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June 05, 2011, 03:56:43 AM
#27

I'll one up your user directory of businesses with my browser integration....

How's bitcoin://1234567890addyHere:1.0amount:Comment to have the official client fire bitcoins off on mouseclicks?
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June 05, 2011, 03:44:51 AM
#26
This would not be too releevant in power, though. Those machines would rarely run 24/7 and contain significant graphics cards. It is way to oearly to get more miners online significantly. Takes at least 2 weeks to get orders through, stuff installed etc.

What you see is likely clients that "also mine" with a good percentage of single card miners that are advanced enough to figure that out Wink

Ah, quite right.

I didn't mean to imply those were all rabid-overclocker-gpu-miners - only that there were more active clients.  Those clients probably aren't even doing any mining at all - just downloading the block chain while the user "figures this newfangled bitcoin thing" out. Smiley


Which is part of the problem. Want to see when the next big busines influx comes? Give us a professional client. One that is suitable for Joe Dumbuser Wink For example one that can track users, not just addresses (as in: I want to send 1BT to this shop I was doing business with last week - BY NAME) Wink
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June 05, 2011, 03:25:44 AM
#25
This would not be too releevant in power, though. Those machines would rarely run 24/7 and contain significant graphics cards. It is way to oearly to get more miners online significantly. Takes at least 2 weeks to get orders through, stuff installed etc.

What you see is likely clients that "also mine" with a good percentage of single card miners that are advanced enough to figure that out Wink

Ah, quite right.

I didn't mean to imply those were all rabid-overclocker-gpu-miners - only that there were more active clients.  Those clients probably aren't even doing any mining at all - just downloading the block chain while the user "figures this newfangled bitcoin thing" out. Smiley
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June 05, 2011, 03:19:09 AM
#24
If you're thinking buying mining hardware, read this first

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6566.0

Good read.  Thanks.

The only sense that is a good read is in the sense that it's a cautionary tale of why not to listen to other peoples nonsense.

If someone listened to JJG in April they would have missed out one of the most profitable mining spurts in bitcoin history. It's interesting to look back on such things and go "Wow was that wrong" I suppose.
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June 05, 2011, 02:56:03 AM
#23
The more, the merrier!
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June 05, 2011, 02:23:33 AM
#22

After checking some of my nodes...

I have an average of 200 peer connections between all 3.

Today, I have over 700 connections.

So either all of the other bitcoin nodes have fallen down or there is a significant increase in the number of users with bitcoin clients looking for peers......


This would not be too releevant in power, though. Those machines would rarely run 24/7 and contain significant graphics cards. It is way to oearly to get more miners online significantly. Takes at least 2 weeks to get orders through, stuff installed etc.

What you see is likely clients that "also mine" with a good percentage of single card miners that are advanced enough to figure that out Wink
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June 05, 2011, 01:43:18 AM
#21

After checking some of my nodes...

I have an average of 200 peer connections between all 3.

Today, I have over 700 connections.

So either all of the other bitcoin nodes have fallen down or there is a significant increase in the number of users with bitcoin clients looking for peers......
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June 05, 2011, 01:21:51 AM
#20
If you're thinking buying mining hardware, read this first

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6566.0

Good read.  Thanks.
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June 05, 2011, 01:02:16 AM
#19
We need more bitcoin buyers over miners to drive up the price! Don't mine. BUY!

A this moment BTC is $1 below the current high == A chance to buy now!
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June 05, 2011, 12:54:22 AM
#18
There was an article published about it on Yahoo.  I signed up to check it out.  My old computer is getting 900KHash/sec right now.  lol

I'm considering upgrading and giving this bitcoin thing a go.  Question: How much could a guy expect to make mining in a pool with a new $1,000 machine (purchased wisely)?

Far less than you'll make by buying $1000 worth of bitcoins and sitting on them.

Exactly, at the current rate your $1000 investment would be worth $5000 within 1-2 months.

I believe every single person thats started mining to date could have made far more money investing money into bitcoin rather than mining hardware.

If everyone invested into bitcoin, there wouldnt be any bitcoins to invest in.

Remember, both sides of the spoon needs to exist in order to make this market work.

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June 05, 2011, 12:39:32 AM
#17
If you're thinking buying mining hardware, read this first

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=6566.0
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June 05, 2011, 12:12:56 AM
#16
And my favorite...

3)  Some people actually enjoy tinkering with and building machines, that alone is worth some of the cost right there.  I've had a blast tweaking and tinkering with my machines just to get a few more MH/s out of it.


That right there is an excellent reason. Especially for those who want to really take the time to sit down, learn a bit of bash scripting and how to operate a headless GNU/Linux box. It's a great experience and is actually beneficial to your skillset for future IT endeavors.
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June 05, 2011, 12:07:46 AM
#15
We need more bitcoin buyers over miners to drive up the price! Don't mine. BUY!
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June 04, 2011, 10:33:59 PM
#14
Yeah, I was just going to jump in and say the same thing.  Everyone saying that people shouldn't waste time and start mining and just invest in bitcions aren't considering a few points.

1) Hardware will still likely be worth money in the future.  Assuming you use it for a year, there's no reason to think you couldn't toss it up on eBay and get 33%-50% of your original investment back.

2) Bitcoins can tank and if you invest in just BTC you're SoL. Yeah, it looks great now with BTC jumping from $1 to $18 in a short period of time, but it could just as easily go back down to $1... Assuming BTC tanks I'd bet you see a ton of people stop mining which would make it easier to mine for those that decide to stick it out.

And my favorite...

3)  Some people actually enjoy tinkering with and building machines, that alone is worth some of the cost right there.  I've had a blast tweaking and tinkering with my machines just to get a few more MH/s out of it.

All I can say is don't jump in blindly and buy a mining rig by maxxing out your credit cards.  Put only the cash into the endeavor you can afford to lose.  If you want to hedge your bets, do both.  Take half your initial investment and put it into BTC, the other half into mining gear...
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June 04, 2011, 09:53:27 PM
#13
You guys realize that you just told this guy that a new $1000 mining rig would never generate more than 55 coins, right? Because by "buying $1000 worth of coins and sitting on it" thats essentially what you did. 55 coins 1 year from now will be 55 coins. $1000 if spent on computer hardware will net 50 coins in about 18 days on solo mining (average). Id be PISSED if I took your advice, because after 18 days both methods would be out $1000, but in one scenario you still can generate coins, and have hardware you can sell. If you need help here, it ISNT the scenario where you buy 55 coins outright.

... and at 20% depreciation, you can still sell the miner's components for $800.

um0rion wins the thread. Smiley
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June 04, 2011, 09:49:10 PM
#12
You guys realize that you just told this guy that a new $1000 mining rig would never generate more than 55 coins, right? Because by "buying $1000 worth of coins and sitting on it" thats essentially what you did. 55 coins 1 year from now will be 55 coins. $1000 if spent on computer hardware will net 50 coins in about 18 days on solo mining (average). Id be PISSED if I took your advice, because after 18 days both methods would be out $1000, but in one scenario you still can generate coins, and have hardware you can sell. If you need help here, it ISNT the scenario where you buy 55 coins outright.
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June 04, 2011, 08:51:50 PM
#11
I'm planning on upgrading my machine anyway, I was just going to wait until November.  If it would make more sense to upgrade now and do this for a few months, I'm on it.

My question is for anyone who is actually mining and selling these bitcoins.  How much $ would you expect to get out of a $250 GPU per month? 

I love the idea of bitcoins, but I'd rather sell my goods for bitcoins than buy them with dollars.  On that subject, anyone interested in buying a mixcd or t-shirt from ogdogg.com for some bitcoins, I'm interested in selling something so I can get signed up with exchanges and see how difficult it is to actually trade the coins.  Thanks again for the quick answers.  This is a great community (I'm going to search it and answer my questions now so I don't look like such a newb).

Well, for me it is a nice way to put some strategic funds into something with more returns than buying real estate Wink I am quite happy with a 10% per month ROI on average, including depreciation. Anything more is a full pure bonus. And if thigns go wrong I am stuck with a number of really brutal calculation monsters. Which just happen to be what I consider buying for the trading side of my business anyway Wink Tracking a couple of hundred thousand financial instruments is freaking out my current CPU clusters Wink

I think we will see some significant explostion in complexity and bad ROI in terms of Bitcoins / month, but at the same time I foresee that the price of a bitcoin will continue rising quite steadily to a 50:1 or 100:1 ration to USD.
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June 04, 2011, 08:48:46 PM
#10
There was an article published about it on Yahoo.

That's how we need to survive, sure we miners are whining about it, but we need more press to last in the long run.

A miner purchased wisely could net 300$ optimistically.

Think of it this way: if you mine you have a kickass gaming rig, if you prospect you could end up with nothing.

However... you could also end up loaded by investing directly in bitcoins.. it all depends on luck really.
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June 04, 2011, 08:48:28 PM
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Exactly, at the current rate your $1000 investment would be worth $5000 within 1-2 months.

I believe every single person thats started mining to date could have made far more money investing money into bitcoin rather than mining hardware.

Past performance is not indicative of future performance, but feel free to think so.

They could also end up buying 20$ as the market turns back to  <10$ for the next 5 years.
Then what?

Fact is - nobody knows anything for certain, there is only a likelyhood that people will keep being tight with BTC while difficulty skyrockets..and this fuels itself until we cascade faster into diffi rises and less BTC per block created than you can force people to pay more for BTC.
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June 04, 2011, 08:47:27 PM
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I'm planning on upgrading my machine anyway, I was just going to wait until November.  If it would make more sense to upgrade now and do this for a few months, I'm on it.

My question is for anyone who is actually mining and selling these bitcoins.  How much $ would you expect to get out of a $250 GPU per month?  

I love the idea of bitcoins.  I'm interested in selling something so I can get signed up with exchanges and see how difficult it is to actually trade the coins.  Thanks again for the quick answers.  This is a great community (I'm going to search it and answer my questions now so I don't look like such a newb).
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June 04, 2011, 08:39:08 PM
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Possibly Wink

I have 3 x 6990 going online in a week, another 9 following 2 weeks later and am looking for a room to put up a data center Wink
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June 04, 2011, 08:36:43 PM
#6
There was an article published about it on Yahoo.  I signed up to check it out.  My old computer is getting 900KHash/sec right now.  lol

I'm considering upgrading and giving this bitcoin thing a go.  Question: How much could a guy expect to make mining in a pool with a new $1,000 machine (purchased wisely)?

Far less than you'll make by buying $1000 worth of bitcoins and sitting on them.

Exactly, at the current rate your $1000 investment would be worth $5000 within 1-2 months.

I believe every single person thats started mining to date could have made far more money investing money into bitcoin rather than mining hardware.
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June 04, 2011, 08:32:57 PM
#5
There was an article published about it on Yahoo.  I signed up to check it out.  My old computer is getting 900KHash/sec right now.  lol

I'm considering upgrading and giving this bitcoin thing a go.  Question: How much could a guy expect to make mining in a pool with a new $1,000 machine (purchased wisely)?

Far less than you'll make by buying $1000 worth of bitcoins and sitting on them.
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June 04, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
#4
There was an article published about it on Yahoo.  I signed up to check it out.  My old computer is getting 900KHash/sec right now.  lol

I'm considering upgrading and giving this bitcoin thing a go.  Question: How much could a guy expect to make mining in a pool with a new $1,000 machine (purchased wisely)?
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June 04, 2011, 08:10:32 PM
#3
since what point?


Since a Chinese botnet got a CAPTCHA upgrade....   Grin
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June 04, 2011, 08:06:50 PM
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since what point?
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June 04, 2011, 08:01:43 PM
#1
There's a massive influx of new miners/people interested in Bitcoin.
I want to present some data to you all that you might find amusing.
So far today, over 370 new members have registered for this forum.
That is all.  Cool
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