Mastering the market movement is what aid profits and not the price.

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As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Yes ofcourse that is true because we can see that there are traders who make huge gains by shorting their assets.
So this shows that how profits can be made in a falling market as well as a growing market.
It all depends from person to person and not everybody can make profits in a falling market.

There are really traders who can earn no matter what the market situation is. It depends on one's skill and knowledge because dealing with the market's volatility is quite hard, especially during the bearish season. New traders might see the bear as a threat but as time passes by, you'll realize that it's still an earning opportunity.

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I have a friend who told me that he made his highest trading profits in last weekend's market conditions even though most crypto of holders were lamenting the price fall that saw many assets losing billions in value and volume all due to the market crash.

The most important thing in trading is skills and mastery once you cultivate those two qualities trading become easy and fewer losses and more profits.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 25, 2022, 03:07:32 PM

Price analysis can also be a good factor to consider only on a long-term base and if one wants to make a passive trading decision then it must be of liquidity and volatility to open a position at the right time and predict which direction the trade could go. I use that term because the market is unpredictable in general view but with the volatility comes an increase in trading profits if the market is mastered and skills build to dictate the future of the market and which direction it goes in the long run.

So are you earning a passive income with the present market situation?

I tried many times to trade regularly in order to gain passive profits but I'm not able to stay for long. The same situation with those people I met before, they were only good for months. Except for those traders who turned mentors and are now teaching and coaching about trading. I am not against trading gurus but there are too many of them that were able to remain unemployed and free from 8 to 5 mainly because they earned thru trading mentorships and coaching not from trading.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Yes ofcourse that is true because we can see that there are traders who make huge gains by shorting their assets.
So this shows that how profits can be made in a falling market as well as a growing market.
It all depends from person to person and not everybody can make profits in a falling market.

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Price analysis can also be a good factor to consider only on a long-term base and if one wants to make a passive trading decision then it must be of liquidity and volatility to open a position at the right time and predict which direction the trade could go. I use that term because the market is unpredictable in general view but with the volatility comes an increase in trading profits if the market is mastered and skills build to dictate the future of the market and which direction it goes in the long run.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

This is such a great way to explain what traders do. I mean many people think that price matters and when it goes up its profits and when it goes up just waits etc etc. If you know what you are doing, then you understand which direction bitcoin will go and you can make a profit in whatever direction it goes. It is not an easy thing but it is not an impossible thing neither.

You just have to realize that it is going to be a bit of a tough thing to handle. I personally believe that we shouldn't really be focusing that much on anything like that, it is an easy thing to lose yourself in prices and profits and what not, just buy bitcoin and hold it for a long time and you are fine.

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Quote from: ItsCrafty on August 24, 2022, 10:56:26 AM

Actually you cannot identify the market movement because just experts knows about it and may be they just suppose about it not they have the actual details. But it is possible to take profit in bear market by investing in some of the various coins and you should pick out distinct coins, not invest all the revenue in a single coin. Yeah it can be done that you have keep your eyes on price chart it will aid you in gaining dividend, you can also buy some coins during bear market but wait before trade for the price to get back to high. It will give you ease.

Not also because the experts also can not know for sure what will happen in the market. Maybe they can provide a complete analysis than ordinary traders but will not share the full analysis with the public because it will be their secret. Yes, I agree with you about the possibility to keep taking profits in a bear market but we have to be extra selective and careful because not all coins can increase in a short time. In this bear market, many coins can be used as investments but it is better to choose only promising coins because they have the opportunity to increase later.

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Quote from: blockman on August 24, 2022, 05:39:17 PM

I don't think that many are confused. Everyone's got a plan on what to do based on the market's status but it is that surprising things are coming out from the market itself.
And that's why whether they're planned, it's looking that they're not really planned at all and that's made them total loss instead of making a profit.
Whether you master the market or not, as long as you've got strategies being executed that one has been proven by you alone to be effective.

What happens is the most traders are unable to adapt to the dynamic nature of the markets, if people at the beginning of 2020 would have told you that we will go through the worst pandemic on the last century, a severe economic crisis and a war many people would not have believed it and yet it happened.

And simply most traders lack the tools to adapt to those circumstances, and it is why planning while important can also be incredibly useless as it is impossible to plan for such an absurd series of events and instead our only option is to improvise and take the best decision we can at the moment.

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I don't think that many are confused. Everyone's got a plan on what to do based on the market's status but it is that surprising things are coming out from the market itself.
And that's why whether they're planned, it's looking that they're not really planned at all and that's made them total loss instead of making a profit.
Whether you master the market or not, as long as you've got strategies being executed that one has been proven by you alone to be effective.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Agree upto a certain extent, but yes not completely agree.
I mean it’s very hard to always predict the market movement, so yes risk is involved here. But as time passes, many traders gain experience and find similar trends in the market for which they are able to make profits.
Moreover price also plays an important factor in trading, so if you don’t consider it as an important element, then definitely you will buy any coin at many wrong prices.

Its just standard or common sense that you would really be needing to deal up with market movement or volatility since you've been dealing with market which price would be always volatile.
The thing on here is that you should really know on how to make a move on various conditions or movements that you could see on this space.You cant just throw out some position order without
having any basis and being a good and profitable trader is to that someone who are fully aware and do knows on what to do on certain market conditions although it wont really be that precise
since no one could predict the future or what things lies ahead but with due experience you could really have some advantage compared to those who doesnt have.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Agree upto a certain extent, but yes not completely agree.
I mean it’s very hard to always predict the market movement, so yes risk is involved here. But as time passes, many traders gain experience and find similar trends in the market for which they are able to make profits.
Moreover price also plays an important factor in trading, so if you don’t consider it as an important element, then definitely you will buy any coin at many wrong prices.

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Actually you cannot identify the market movement because just experts knows about it and may be they just suppose about it not they have the actual details. But it is possible to take profit in bear market by investing in some of the various coins and you should pick out distinct coins, not invest all the revenue in a single coin. Yeah it can be done that you have keep your eyes on price chart it will aid you in gaining dividend, you can also buy some coins during bear market but wait before trade for the price to get back to high. It will give you ease.

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1.   The bear market has continued for a couple of weeks now. and from the look of it, the pullback in Bitcoin and most coins prices have shaded off a lot from the gains of the past making the previous bull price of 69k an all-time high bitcoin price to look as a mirror gain as the price has dropped above 70% since the price touched the highest in 2021.

2.   This present market condition call for a more holistic analysis of the market before any purchase is done especially as a trader because the market condition seems not to be favorable for just forecast and speculation rather data and charts need to be analyzed to make an adequate trading decision.
3.   That being said we must also consider the place of volatility in our analysis of the present market as that will be crucial to an anticipated outcome and we must settle our mind with the fact that the unpredictability of the price of cryptocurrency makes it hard to work with data available and to arrive at an accurate conclusion that will result in Bitcoin future price. So we must be careful and have in mind that we are dealing with a risky asset.

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That is why there is always the best time to trade and when not to trade particularly in bear market condition where trading is much more risky to perform. Although some pro traders still succeed in making profitable trades, but in most cases, when the market condition is very unstable, it’s hard to expect a successful trade most particularly with beginner traders.

The bear market need to be handled with care. Only buy when you feel the bottom has been reached and don't spend all of the budget right away. It is difficult to get this assessment correctly. While even lower drops are possible, don't be disheartened and continue to watch the market. All these things are a type of learning experience for many traders. It helps when you have backup stock market experience but even if someone does not, they can still learn to keep their cool.

The minimum skills needed here is patience which is lacking in maximum people. Also don't expect huge movments in short periods of time.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 20, 2022, 10:14:24 AM

Knowledge and skills is the most important tbh, where in there's no way you can succeed and get massive profits on this kind of market if you don't have such the most important key.. You must have a lot of efforts and patience at the same time as well because there's a lot of process before you can obtain a knowledge and good skills to succeed.

Knowledge and skills are the two important attributes and character that any trader that want to succeed either in bull or bear market trading, for sure a good trader should be able to survive in whatever market conditions if only and when they have the right skills and knowledge.

The price of Bitcoin or whatever coin you trading in matters also because if you have bought a coin at xx price and before you execute the trade the price drop back to only x which means you are already down in losses of x just for holding that coin at that moment so the price also matters.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Sorry to say but the market is the real master here. No matter how skilled or knowledgeable we are in crypto trading, there’s no way we can master it up to the highest level due to the unpredictable movement of the market.

Of course being knowledgeable in TAs, etc., indeed helps us to at least know what would be the possible next move of a certain cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, but that doesn’t mean that it’s 100% accurate because anything could happen unexpectedly without warning.

This is why even long time traders or self-proclaimed crypto experts couldn't get an exact prediction of the market.
We are all just speculating in this market, and we used those acquired knowledge and skills to possibly take advantage and get profits.
But hard to master this market, because every project has their own features and you can't apply your fix strategy.
It changes according to the project and how it performs in the market. Besides, you need to keep up with their updates to know where they are heading to.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Sorry to say but the market is the real master here. No matter how skilled or knowledgeable we are in crypto trading, there’s no way we can master it up to the highest level due to the unpredictable movement of the market.

Of course being knowledgeable in TAs, etc., indeed helps us to at least know what would be the possible next move of a certain cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, but that doesn’t mean that it’s 100% accurate because anything could happen unexpectedly without warning.

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Quote from: MinMan on August 18, 2022, 11:30:11 AM

There are small fluctuations but that should only give you small profits. You can't say that it's not about the price because what if you master this market already but the price doesn't move? Do you think you can be able to produce any profit? I bet no.

Do we have the chance to master the price movement? I'm uncertain about that but it was not necessary to do it, what is most important is that we understand the volatility of the price and take this opportunity to earn some profit. We don't need to be perfect either because what we need is to adopt the market condition. As long as we can manage to draw a good analysis despite the up and down conditions, earning is not possible.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 20, 2022, 10:14:24 AM

Knowledge and skills is the most important tbh, where in there's no way you can succeed and get massive profits on this kind of market if you don't have such the most important key.. You must have a lot of efforts and patience at the same time as well because there's a lot of process before you can obtain a knowledge and good skills to succeed.

Knowledge is important but market experience and knowing how to control the nerves is important in the market. It is not easy to master the movements of the market and it takes time to get accustomed with the sudden and slow movements in this market happening overnight and during days.

It is therefore not easy to remain a strong trader in all occasions and break from trading is important. Accumulating during the phase of bear and selling during the phase of bull should be the target. While the profit made from the same should be either put up in the long term hold box or shifted to regular trading.

If one thinks they have mastered the market movements, they are being a fool. Just focus on your buying and selling.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

I totally agree with you dude, many people who've involved themselves in crypto didn't know this method, they always look on the price and somebody hyped with other opinion, the most effective and low risk method is analyzing the chart, this is a winning formula in trading.

Some experiences aren't available yet to the newbies in the market but once they are exposed to it then everything will change. Although, I find some didn't learn their lesson once this experience is present it always learning the hard way for these guys. It is important to have those skills and knowledge so that you can beat their system and maximize your desired profit in the future.

For now, investing on learning and mastering the skills of different kinds of strategy in trading will pays off someday. Keep grinding.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 20, 2022, 10:14:24 AM

Knowledge and skills is the most important tbh, where in there's no way you can succeed and get massive profits on this kind of market if you don't have such the most important key.. You must have a lot of efforts and patience at the same time as well because there's a lot of process before you can obtain a knowledge and good skills to succeed.

It would be just standard that you would really be having these kind of qualities whenever you do able to sustain yourself on this market.You would really be that have skills and knowledge since engaging

yourself into this market isnt something that everyone could able to bare or handle on.Therefore, one of the things that you could really say that you are able to handle up yourself is that you do able

to sustain and survive this very unpredictable market.It would be understandable that you should really be mastering market movement and aware on what are the actions
that you would really be making so that you would really be finding yourself to be that on making good decisions on different situations.

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Knowledge and skills is the most important tbh, where in there's no way you can succeed and get massive profits on this kind of market if you don't have such the most important key.. You must have a lot of efforts and patience at the same time as well because there's a lot of process before you can obtain a knowledge and good skills to succeed.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

I totally agree with you dude, many people who've involved themselves in crypto didn't know this method, they always look on the price and somebody hyped with other opinion, the most effective and low risk method is analyzing the chart, this is a winning formula in trading.

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You can't make massive profits in a bear market unless you take the risk of going for betting for a smaller price and gambling your Bitcoins on it. I would not recommend that to any trader and definitely not to a passive trader. During bear markets one can only buy and hold, they will probably not be able to sell. To stretch it, they could sell but they would have to compulsively buy back at lower price.

Either of these methods are risky.

To be a pro in the bear market, you just need to be patient and wait it out of you run of money to buy any more.

it's a good choice. buy more when the bear market and wait for the bull market to come. during the bear period, we can increase our assets. and turn our daily trading patterns into long-term investments in the right assets.

I do tactics like that when I have to be in a bear market position. even when I don't have time to get out of the trade, then selling at a loss is of course a risky option but still worth considering. all steps still have risks, we try to minimize the risk of the assets we have.

Accumulation phase. That’s what real investors call the bear market, they do not say they are in a loss, they say they are in an accumulation phase. You think Warren Buffet got scared when 2008 crisis hit him hard? Dude is a stock market wizard who had all of his money in the stock market and stock market crashed like crazy. He didn't feel any scare at all, dude felt happiness, why would anyone who has all his money in stock market feel happy when stock market crashes?

Well, because he had a lot of cash in hand, which he used to buy up stocks and even debt from companies, so that he could profit a lot more later on. Dude became owner of so many companies during that period. Same goes with crypto and us, we should be happy and buy as many as possible before it goes up.

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Making the best is not possible because we don't know what is the highest value of a coin before it goes down or the lowest it can get before it goes up again but we are only doing an estimation here. If all you want is the best then chances are that you will likely fail. I don't think so that you can make massive profits in a bear market because that is the time where cryptos are dumping.

There are small fluctuations but that should only give you small profits. You can't say that it's not about the price because what if you master this market already but the price doesn't move? Do you think you can be able to produce any profit? I bet no.

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Market movement is also the price movement, the market won't move if it doesn't have any assets on it, like stocks and cryptocurrency. The technical analysis depends on the chart prices, and the current trend, most of the newbies contradict the market trend that's why they always lose trades. Professional traders know what to do whatever the market situation is, that's why if you started trading, you must continue to grow even though you lost a lot of money already.

We can't change how the market works and in fact, even having these whales and manipulations, the market trend remains unpredictable. In this case, even if we want to make all things could have our favor but unfortunately, it never happens and we still lose. That is why the market is full of surprises and even more interesting. And we don't need to put everything in our hands, it is greediness.

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Losing in trading is normal, you need a lot of courage and dedication to hone your skills to make profits.

No doubt, that is really happening in here.

We can't provide an accurate prediction or even master the market movement because they are not consistent and it always changes due to its volatility. It doesn't have a reliable pattern because its movement differs from time to time. The best thing that we can do is to deal with every market situation and learn how to take it as an opportunity to earn.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on August 18, 2022, 08:10:31 AM

Market movement is also the price movement, the market won't move if it doesn't have any assets on it, like stocks and cryptocurrency. The technical analysis depends on the chart prices, and the current trend, most of the newbies contradict the market trend that's why they always lose trades. Professional traders know what to do whatever the market situation is, that's why if you started trading, you must continue to grow even though you lost a lot of money already.

We can't change how the market works and in fact, even having these whales and manipulations, the market trend remains unpredictable. In this case, even if we want to make all things could have our favor but unfortunately, it never happens and we still lose. That is why the market is full of surprises and even more interesting. And we don't need to put everything in our hands, it is greediness.

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Losing in trading is normal, you need a lot of courage and dedication to hone your skills to make profits.

No doubt, that is really happening in here.

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Quote from: salad daging on August 17, 2022, 11:08:33 AM

This is good advice I am also not fully mastered day trading so one of my ways is to buy increasing assets when a bear market is probably the same as yours for me this has minimized the risk.
Some people may be able to do daily trading in the bear market they use some tactics with a small target percentage that is their skill to do it, but still for me I don't want to go much deeper for the risks they face one of them is long term as long as the asset continues to increase in value my wallet.

although not as fond of day trading as I am. but actually, you can try it. Don't be afraid because it's a lot of fun.
I also try it once in a while. just to hone skills in day trading. because there are indeed several groups that provide information about the use of tools in trading. it never hurts to practice. Be it a spot or futures trading, I think there is still an opportunity for us to learn and profit there.

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Market movement is also the price movement, the market won't move if it doesn't have any assets on it, like stocks and cryptocurrency. The technical analysis depends on the chart prices, and the current trend, most of the newbies contradict the market trend that's why they always lose trades. Professional traders know what to do whatever the market situation is, that's why if you started trading, you must continue to grow even though you lost a lot of money already.

Losing in trading is normal, you need a lot of courage and dedication to hone your skills to make profits.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Well, its not easy as it is. The market is very unpredictable, that even a professional trader cannot predict what's going to happen next in the market. But i believe, its always an advantage if you know how to master the market movement, because you are most likely to create possible profits and minimize your losses as a trader. Though losses are still inevitable in trading, but if you have good market analysis and effective and proven strategies to use, you will most likely to end up with successful trades.

A professional trader can definitely guess where the market will move; even if their guess is not entirely correct, they can still get an advantage over other traders. This is why we are always required to learn because that is the only way we can always adapt to market conditions and situations. The loss we get may not be too big because we also know how to reduce the risk of that loss. Currently, the market tends to be in a sideways condition but fortunately, the market can still be volatile so we can try to find gaps to make profits.

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 17, 2022, 04:58:47 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Well, its not easy as it is. The market is very unpredictable, that even a professional trader cannot predict what's going to happen next in the market. But i believe, its always an advantage if you know how to master the market movement, because you are most likely to create possible profits and minimize your losses as a trader. Though losses are still inevitable in trading, but if you have good market analysis and effective and proven strategies to use, you will most likely to end up with successful trades.

And the good thing is that you do not really need to predict what the market is going to do all the time, as long as you can do this at a rate slightly higher than your failures then you could produce profits, but what happens is that many people have a mistaken idea of what trading is about and they believe that if they cannot predict what the market will do every single time then they do not have what they need to become a good trader, and this is simply not true.

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 17, 2022, 04:58:47 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Well, its not easy as it is. The market is very unpredictable, that even a professional trader cannot predict what's going to happen next in the market. But i believe, its always an advantage if you know how to master the market movement, because you are most likely to create possible profits and minimize your losses as a trader. Though losses are still inevitable in trading, but if you have good market analysis and effective and proven strategies to use, you will most likely to end up with successful trades.

losing is always part of the trading journey even if you are here long enough to see the ups and downs of the market. but you can reduce your losses by practicing the acquired tips and tricks that you gained throughout the years. it is no easy task to gain money in trading as there is no fix strategy that you can apply in every coin you want to trade with.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Well, its not easy as it is. The market is very unpredictable, that even a professional trader cannot predict what's going to happen next in the market. But i believe, its always an advantage if you know how to master the market movement, because you are most likely to create possible profits and minimize your losses as a trader. Though losses are still inevitable in trading, but if you have good market analysis and effective and proven strategies to use, you will most likely to end up with successful trades.

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Quote from: Mr.right85 on August 17, 2022, 02:20:03 PM

For a day trader, I would agree but, your profits is going to come with a lot of slashes due to percentages levied on back and forth movements in taking trades. Not tension how time engaging, energy and intellectual requirements it would need. Also, its not really possible for one to master the market as to its price action, even with the various analytical tools available.
Reasons why, holders might be the ones actually doing it right with limited exposure to risk and you've got time to focus on other engagements.

Engagement which do really have that time and effort needed which it would really be that normal specially when you do daytrade or make active trades because this is primarily needed on this one.

If you cant really bare up the risk then you do just simply choose on what trading style would fit you in and dont force yourself on making out decisions on something like this because it would really be

just ending on messing up things thats why you should really be wise on what decisions you would be making and of course it would really be varying on your skills on where it do fits out.

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For a day trader, I would agree but, your profits is going to come with a lot of slashes due to percentages levied on back and forth movements in taking trades. Not tension how time engaging, energy and intellectual requirements it would need. Also, its not really possible for one to master the market as to its price action, even with the various analytical tools available.
Reasons why, holders might be the ones actually doing it right with limited exposure to risk and you've got time to focus on other engagements.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

many will always complain of losses during a bear market

You don't have to master or beat the market. What you should do is learning fundamentals of what you intend to invest in, then master your psychology. If you choose a good asset and made due diligent research to understand it well and can master your psychology, you will win.

Mastering the market is very important and by that you won't have to be complaining even in bear market. Bear market is also profitable for people who have taken care of their emotions because that is important to the market. Emotional traders always have to complain. They look at the market from the wrong side, using sympathy instead of proper analysis of the market with the trading techniques of technical analysis and fundamental.

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Quote from: rozak on August 17, 2022, 07:41:35 AM

it's a good choice. buy more when the bear market and wait for the bull market to come. during the bear period, we can increase our assets. and turn our daily trading patterns into long-term investments in the right assets.

I do tactics like that when I have to be in a bear market position. even when I don't have time to get out of the trade, then selling at a loss is of course a risky option but still worth considering. all steps still have risks, we try to minimize the risk of the assets we have.

This is good advice I am also not fully mastered day trading so one of my ways is to buy increasing assets when a bear market is probably the same as yours for me this has minimized the risk.
Some people may be able to do daily trading in the bear market they use some tactics with a small target percentage that is their skill to do it, but still for me I don't want to go much deeper for the risks they face one of them is long term as long as the asset continues to increase in value my wallet.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on August 17, 2022, 03:23:02 AM

Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

You can't make massive profits in a bear market unless you take the risk of going for betting for a smaller price and gambling your Bitcoins on it. I would not recommend that to any trader and definitely not to a passive trader. During bear markets one can only buy and hold, they will probably not be able to sell. To stretch it, they could sell but they would have to compulsively buy back at lower price.

Either of these methods are risky.

To be a pro in the bear market, you just need to be patient and wait it out of you run of money to buy any more.

it's a good choice. buy more when the bear market and wait for the bull market to come. during the bear period, we can increase our assets. and turn our daily trading patterns into long-term investments in the right assets.

I do tactics like that when I have to be in a bear market position. even when I don't have time to get out of the trade, then selling at a loss is of course a risky option but still worth considering. all steps still have risks, we try to minimize the risk of the assets we have.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

You can't make massive profits in a bear market unless you take the risk of going for betting for a smaller price and gambling your Bitcoins on it. I would not recommend that to any trader and definitely not to a passive trader. During bear markets one can only buy and hold, they will probably not be able to sell. To stretch it, they could sell but they would have to compulsively buy back at lower price.

Either of these methods are risky.

To be a pro in the bear market, you just need to be patient and wait it out of you run of money to buy any more.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Don't complain about the conditions, but keep learning about analyzing the market because that's the condition to trade in all conditions.
If you can have a good analysis, in the sense that you can analyze to be able to get a profit, you don't need to be afraid of any conditions.
You can also persevere to keep trying to make a profit. Even though the profit is not as big as when the bull market arrives, it is still a profit.
You have to stay optimistic and keep learning to analyze the market and if your analysis is wrong, you can try to find out where it went wrong to improve your skills.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on August 14, 2022, 09:29:26 PM

Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

I don't feel that trading is more difficult in a bear market, in my opinion, trading is difficult at all times and many traders find it difficult to make more profits than loss in the long run; acquiring trading skills and good strategies with which to trade, the better your chances than someone that lacks those, but to master the market isn't possible, in the end what you are doing is just making predictions, and some will even call it gambling, so having the feeling that you have mastered the market and the next minute you are making losses because of a wrong prediction doesn't make too much sense.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

I don't know what confused means in trading because for me, I really myself and the strategies I used and profits will come once performed it well. We don't need to master the market movement or whatever it is because what we need is to adopt the volatility of the market and be able to go along with it, it is called adjustments. Price? that really matters in trading - buy low, sell high that is certainly how trading works which means that people are very focused on the price movement.

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Quote from: rby on August 12, 2022, 03:56:42 PM

Mastering the market movement will give you insights about the price movements. Knowing the price movements shows that you have mastered the market movements. Boths need each other to get good results. For you to master the market movements you need to know your technical and fundamentals very well. When you check the price, it is the first thing that is affected when there is strong fundamentals.
To get the actual market movements you will pay even attention to volume of trade, IRS etc. The market demands that you keep learning new things because the market is ever changing.

I will agree with you because to understand the rudiments of investment is the ability of interpreting the market by using chart. But sometimes people do use prediction of people concerning personal analysis to interpret the positive and negative of the market of cryptocurrency. But from my understanding what that will give you a concrete ideology of cryptocurrency is chart and the movement of the candles sticks.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on August 14, 2022, 09:29:26 PM

Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

So much opportunity exist within the market and for sure individuality plays a vital aspect on that. If one is a big bag holder and skillful in trading, you can easily take hold of the market situation to accumulate more coins and also do some passive moves that will bring in good turn over within some time, but that depends on how much cash you have to play around with, and how willing one is to taking risk.
Trading is not that easy but with the right skills and knowledge a trader does not really need market orice to make profits when he/she is biding on the asset directly and not on the USTd value.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

It takes a lot of varied experiences before a good trader master the market movement, as the market moves very uncertain and unpredictable. That is why if you trade without studying and analyzing the market movement, you will eventually end up losing. While those who trade with good market analysis and have high experiences in trading, mostly end up with a successful trade as they are more inclined to the different market movement.

Lots of trial and error
Lots of time been put up
Lots of effort
Lots of making decisions
Lots of capital

You would really be needing or inevitably able to apply all of these things before you could able to have a good grasps on this market.
Make yourself able to sustain and this is the main thing that you should really put up into your mind.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

It takes a lot of varied experiences before a good trader master the market movement, as the market moves very uncertain and unpredictable. That is why if you trade without studying and analyzing the market movement, you will eventually end up losing. While those who trade with good market analysis and have high experiences in trading, mostly end up with a successful trade as they are more inclined to the different market movement.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

First, you must understand the risks of trading this volatile asset. Second if you are really interested in trading it then you have to be prepared to take the risk. I just think we should avoid trading greed because we basically never really know what will happen to the next price.

Buying on the dip is a good strategy if we really believe in the potential profit we can make in the long run. But I don't think this method will be as good as expected if it is applied to random altcoin that we never know and know about their use cases, so I only agree if this is practiced on bitcoin or some of the top altcoin.

Mastery of the market movement is not that easy as you have to experience different market conditions so you can tell its price movements too. Even legend traders cannot guarantee to never lose in trading particularly when the market is very unstable. That is why if you want to secure your money, never trade when you see the market is not suitable for trading activities. Especially when the market is bearish, its better to keep on buying and accumulate more bitcoin as it will maximize your profits when the market turns bullish.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on August 11, 2022, 06:04:55 PM

There are different strategies used by day traders, but mostly depend on:

technical analysis
sentiments
mindset
risk management (the amount of money used and leveraging)

Trading is beyond mastering market movement alone, you need a kind of trading strategy that will let you still have rest of mind to certain unfavorable price while some traders prefer stop loss. Also mastering the market price without any trading analysis may likely result to loss.

Just like you said, I won't agree less with you that trading is beyond mastering market movement. It Is not even possible to master market without applying some strategies but what I'm not understanding is the part you mentioned sentiments I mean how does sentiment play a role as a strategy in mastering market? I agree with rest of the strategies mentioned but I would like you to throw more lights on sentiment.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on August 14, 2022, 09:29:26 PM

Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

When the market is in bear, it's most of the time I studied the other altcoins that I didn't bought or trade ever. It's hard to master the market since its too volatile and have too many factors to look at, but once we see our good side or realized our better way to gain profit then we can discover strategies that can help to improve our ways and learn to make them better to be profitable. We must know how to continuously adapt ourselves in the volatility of the market for our better strategy.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Market conditions of course are all the stuff that happen in the market. For one to be successful, one has to have a mastery or closest to mastering them. This is the reason technical analysis is very important if one were to succeed in trading. Indicators provide one the navigation to have a mastery of what the market says and where it's likely heading to. Once the basic skills that aid the mastery of the market are in place as acquired, then it's smooth sailing and profit making for the trader. So, market conditions are important to take note of.

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I believe that taking advantage of the market would mean that you are going to trade your most optimal way, and with cryptocurrency markets, that's going to be 24/7, and that's going to continue much in the long run. So you would probably take advantage of a trading bot that could do that even while you sleep. I recommend Gunbot as your go-to bot because it can do the job for you.

You would probably need to apply and employ various strategies to adapt to the market with different market conditions. There should also be a risk management part for your portfolio so you wouldn't lose it all. You can also set that up with Gunbot if you prefer it.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on August 14, 2022, 06:44:08 PM

Trading during this bear market is quite challenging, the market can change and drop very easily.
That is why if as a day trader, they need to set more preparation to fave this market situation.
The first thing is by learning continuoisly. But in fact, the thing wil not go as well as the theory and consideration. Sometimes unpredictable increase or drop are happening. This lead the situation of trading changes very quickly and make us lost money.
In trading, we need to donat keast:
Doing research and analysis not only on the chart or indicators but also fundamentally and the outside factors influencing.

It is true that trading crypto during a bear market is much more challenging, because it is not as easy as trading in a bull market situation.
Actually, there are more traders who experience losses in bear markets, that's because not all traders have good experience and analytical skills.
That's why we should never be lazy to improve our analytical skills, so when a bear market, where the market is very volatile, we better understand
how to generate effective profits. Especially if we want to make money through day trading, it requires careful preparation, many things must be
taken into account. But if we already have good analytical skills, we can predict where the market will move, then which coins should we choose,
after that we can run the strategy that we think is effective. We must remember that the greater our efforts to prepare ourselves before deciding
to trade, the results obtained will not disappoint.

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Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

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Quote from: hugeblack on August 13, 2022, 02:26:58 PM

A bear market makes profit more difficult, the opportunity to obtain a loan is more difficult, and the possibility of recovering money is slower and more dangerous. Therefore, many people try to look for investment opportunities in other areas when the market is down until things improve again.
This does not mean that it is not possible to make a profit in a bear market, but why fatigue and risk in a bear market and it is possible to achieve a faster and more secure profit.

I know the difficulties in trading during the bear market as many indices will lead to losses, but then there are some other extremely good in trading and can make profits in whatever market conditions. But at a time like this, a newbie trader will have to restrain from passive trading as the risk of losing is high, especially with highly volatile assets.

Expert traders make profit in both bear and bull market, but I understand what hugeblack is talking about, even some people will think they are good traders, they prefer to only open long position or buy during bull market, if they make profit often, they will think that they are good, some traders think they are good just because of bull market, but saw it otherwise during bear market. But there are some traders that can still win in both bull and bear market, while some will lose in both bull and bear market.

The bull market can be extremely deceiving, a newbie that comes to the market when it is growing up almost every day may come to the conclusion that they are a great trader because they are earning huge profits, however it isn't until they are hit with a bear market when they begin to understand how difficult it is to make any money in the markets, and that is when you can tell who was just lucky and who is a good trader that can pull off profits regardless of whether the market is going up or down.

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Trading during this bear market is quite challenging, the market can change and drop very easily.
That is why if as a day trader, they need to set more preparation to fave this market situation.
The first thing is by learning continuoisly. But in fact, the thing wil not go as well as the theory and consideration. Sometimes unpredictable increase or drop are happening. This lead the situation of trading changes very quickly and make us lost money.
In trading, we need to donat keast:
Doing research and analysis not only on the chart or indicators but also fundamentally and the outside factors influencing.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 13, 2022, 03:01:36 PM

Quote from: hugeblack on August 13, 2022, 02:26:58 PM

A bear market makes profit more difficult, the opportunity to obtain a loan is more difficult, and the possibility of recovering money is slower and more dangerous. Therefore, many people try to look for investment opportunities in other areas when the market is down until things improve again.
This does not mean that it is not possible to make a profit in a bear market, but why fatigue and risk in a bear market and it is possible to achieve a faster and more secure profit.

I know the difficulties in trading during the bear market as many indices will lead to losses, but then there are some other extremely good in trading and can make profits in whatever market conditions. But at a time like this, a newbie trader will have to restrain from passive trading as the risk of losing is high, especially with highly volatile assets.

Expert traders make profit in both bear and bull market, but I understand what hugeblack is talking about, even some people will think they are good traders, they prefer to only open long position or buy during bull market, if they make profit often, they will think that they are good, some traders think they are good just because of bull market, but saw it otherwise during bear market. But there are some traders that can still win in both bull and bear market, while some will lose in both bull and bear market.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

This is a market fact that every market condition is capable of giving the trader who understands the market terrain to make profit. Many people especially day traders complain about losing in bear market but I can say that it is because we are so anxious to always be in the market, we give ourselves daily target as daily trader and we keep to chase it but the bear market can frustrate that. We need to be patient and know the trend. If the trend is bear then buying is taking more risk.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 11, 2022, 08:06:36 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

It is not that simple, market conditions do have an effect on your ability to produce profitable trades, any trading system needs a trend to make profits, so even if you do not care about going long or short you need big enough movements so after you buy the market moves in your desired direction and then you can sell for a profit, this means there are some market conditions in which it is almost impossible to produce profits even for the best traders.

Cryptos market do trend most of the time an experience trader knows when the market is trending bearish or bullish and when the market is in ranging mode, when crypto trends it is noticeably obvious especially bitcoin thus a trader with a working strategy enters the market when the trend is established pulls the trigger for Long trade in a Bullish market, Short trade in a bearish market and stayed out of market in Ranging mode which is not profitable and might even ended in losses, however this bow down to the fact that experience and skills is needed to becoming a successful trader which doesn't come easily but with determination and courage it can be achieved.

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Quote from: samcrypto on August 11, 2022, 06:04:35 PM

Continuous learning is the key, the market changes from time to time and we should be more flexible with our strategy since one is not enough and might not give profit to you if you didn't adopt.

Mastering the movement is not easy, I can say that no traders can master this one since its a day to day basis and what happened today might not happen tomorrow, so again be flexible learn everything about trading and use many strategy as much as possible depends on the situation.

Just deal every market condition rightly and ride with it, that way you will not lose everything you have. Mastering the market movement and knowing what will happen next is something we can’t do in this uncertain crypto market, but with proven strategies that you have, you will still become profitable despite of the bear market happening. As bear market has less chances to become profitable, but if you are good enough, then bear market is not an excuse not to make massive profits.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 13, 2022, 03:01:36 PM

Quote from: hugeblack on August 13, 2022, 02:26:58 PM

A bear market makes profit more difficult, the opportunity to obtain a loan is more difficult, and the possibility of recovering money is slower and more dangerous. Therefore, many people try to look for investment opportunities in other areas when the market is down until things improve again.
This does not mean that it is not possible to make a profit in a bear market, but why fatigue and risk in a bear market and it is possible to achieve a faster and more secure profit.

I know the difficulties in trading during the bear market as many indices will lead to losses, but then there are some other extremely good in trading and can make profits in whatever market conditions. But at a time like this, a newbie trader will have to restrain from passive trading as the risk of losing is high, especially with highly volatile assets.

It will take quite a long time process for a person to do passive trading even during the bearish season. It will take a long process to learn to deal with the market as well as do technical analysis as a beginner but having the right mindset and eagerness to learn strategic trading will be a good start. Trading during this season isn't for everyone but it will be good for those who are willing to learn continuously.

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Quote from: hugeblack on August 13, 2022, 02:26:58 PM

A bear market makes profit more difficult, the opportunity to obtain a loan is more difficult, and the possibility of recovering money is slower and more dangerous. Therefore, many people try to look for investment opportunities in other areas when the market is down until things improve again.
This does not mean that it is not possible to make a profit in a bear market, but why fatigue and risk in a bear market and it is possible to achieve a faster and more secure profit.

I know the difficulties in trading during the bear market as many indices will lead to losses, but then there are some other extremely good in trading and can make profits in whatever market conditions. But at a time like this, a newbie trader will have to restrain from passive trading as the risk of losing is high, especially with highly volatile assets.

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A bear market makes profit more difficult, the opportunity to obtain a loan is more difficult, and the possibility of recovering money is slower and more dangerous. Therefore, many people try to look for investment opportunities in other areas when the market is down until things improve again.
This does not mean that it is not possible to make a profit in a bear market, but why fatigue and risk in a bear market and it is possible to achieve a faster and more secure profit.

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The only thing that can help you profit from trading is by learning more from others so that you can improve your analytical skill and could analyze well to find the right moment to trade. Almost all traders experience the experience of losses, but that does not mean we can't get profits because we can get profits by having sufficient ability to analyze market movements. In this bear market, it is difficult to make profits, especially stable profits, because the direction of market movement is unpredictable and we can only analyze where it will move.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

More experience leads you to that way about mastering the market behavior and acts upon it. I'm not surprised to hear many complaints about their losses because not all traders are experts, many people jump to trading without any idea what this is all about, and for sure, they landed in the wrong place. And besides, no matter how good we are, even though we all use all the strategies we have, sometimes losses can be possible, and that was the real scenario in trading.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

many will always complain of losses during a bear market

There are winners and losers at the same time in the market. So in bear market, most of people are in pain and loses but there are a few people who see opportunities in bear market and they take it, wait for rally or next bull run to have profit.

You don't have to master or beat the market. What you should do is learning fundamentals of what you intend to invest in, then master your psychology. If you choose a good asset and made due diligent research to understand it well and can master your psychology, you will win.

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Trading is not easy as it involves significant risk, and it takes a long time to get good performance and feel.
To become a professional trader, you must have good readiness, a good knowledge of TA and fundamentals, and discipline.
In reality, many people are unsuitable and fail to become a trader.
But Trading is not the only way to earn money in crypto.
We can become an investor, Buy and HODL, Staking, Mining, or become a Freelancer.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Most of the traders especially those newbies are only trading spot markets, this is what I observed especially those who are new in trading or just learning, they must also try to do futures trading even with low leverage.
They complain that they can't earn profits while bear market, for sure they don't know how futures trading works.

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Each one of us has its own strategies on how to make a profit in the market, it always varies on our decision on which position is most profitable.
It could be there's a pattern in the market movement but that gives a guarantee that you will guess it right, some of our predictions lead to a failed outcome in trading.

So choose your best trading strategies, change them if it will not work, and have consistent losses.
Mastering sometimes helps and doesn't rely upon it, you should always have an exit point to avoid further losses and stop-loss should be the best strategy after all.

That's why I prefer investing in Bitcoin compared to making a profit on trading, buying in a DCA way is pretty good as of now IMO.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 12, 2022, 03:01:30 PM

I read most replies here and they all suggested having a strategy in trading to maximize the market, and a lot of others also mentioned regular trading to build confidence and skills. I know that the market conditions also contribute a quarter to the success of a trade even though the trade outcome may not be tied to the price of the asset but on a general note, the market conditions have a higher chance of controlling the outcome of the trade.

There’s always a trend in this market, without a strategy any market condition will be useless with you and you might not be able to buy and sell since you failed to create a strategy. You don’t have to master everything, a few important skills can work as long as you have the discipline and stays committed with your strategy, it can be more profitable for you.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Being a daytrader or scalper then these type of traders doesnt really care on what the trend or market condition it would be because they are heavily depending on the movement doesnt matter if its going

up or down since they are positioning themselves on where they do saw the price is low and then sell when there's some increase at least even though not that much but it would be repeated up for
how many times which means that it would be significant if its accumulated.

Profitability will really be depending or varying on their decision and this isnt something simple that anyone could bare out.

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Mastering the market movement will give you insights about the price movements. Knowing the price movements shows that you have mastered the market movements. Boths need each other to get good results. For you to master the market movements you need to know your technical and fundamentals very well. When you check the price, it is the first thing that is affected when there is strong fundamentals.
To get the actual market movements you will pay even attention to volume of trade, IRS etc. The market demands that you keep learning new things because the market is ever changing.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

First, you must understand the risks of trading this volatile asset. Second if you are really interested in trading it then you have to be prepared to take the risk. I just think we should avoid trading greed because we basically never really know what will happen to the next price.

Buying on the dip is a good strategy if we really believe in the potential profit we can make in the long run. But I don't think this method will be as good as expected if it is applied to random altcoin that we never know and know about their use cases, so I only agree if this is practiced on bitcoin or some of the top altcoin.

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I read most replies here and they all suggested having a strategy in trading to maximize the market, and a lot of others also mentioned regular trading to build confidence and skills. I know that the market conditions also contribute a quarter to the success of a trade even though the trade outcome may not be tied to the price of the asset but on a general note, the market conditions have a higher chance of controlling the outcome of the trade.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Everyone has their own strategy either its day trade or positioned trader. Some complained cause they always rushing to buy when the market is good and hyped and when some whales pull off some funds they panic sell and tell us they loss which eventually lead to a greater picture of losses. Honestly if you are down with a major project just find a way to dca or earn out of it like staking or holding it off. Until you recovered the loss value and sold it off at a nice profit again. Dont evet succumb to your fear.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Even someone who is an expert in reading market movements will not think he is the best. Natural markets run and every second can change. This is because the situation of individuals, companies, and institutions, which for example make purchases or sales without providing information, is the only factor where the market is truly real.

The alternative that may be more often used as a reference is news from valid sources that can be accounted for. Then match it with market movements and then the method of reading is with technical analysis (as a scientific measuring tool in minimizing the inaccuracy of speculation).

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

It is not that simple, market conditions do have an effect on your ability to produce profitable trades, any trading system needs a trend to make profits, so even if you do not care about going long or short you need big enough movements so after you buy the market moves in your desired direction and then you can sell for a profit, this means there are some market conditions in which it is almost impossible to produce profits even for the best traders.

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It's important to stop trading when you see market being manipulated by the news. When Bitcoin is driven down by the FED and its meetings you know the steering wheel is out of the hands of the market and in the hands of the manipulators. Trying to trade in this environment is very risky and almost impossible because what you're doing is gambling trying to predict if they will hike rates or not and if this will crash the price or not. Wait until the market starts being driven by the market, like when we get to the next having.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Just continue and continue and continue to do traders even if it's losing is the most result. We can't be used on something if we don't do it regularly.

Continuous trading will put a trader in different scenarios and that will be the challenge here.

Mastering the market shouldn't be the term but be used on seeing how the market behaves. Since crypto is volatile, we need to build experience on how to deal with these. Once we progress, we can form a strategy on our own depending on the market situation.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

If we say mastery, you're likely have put all of the things that you need for you to have almost zero losses in trading.

It's true that it's not all about the price because any price the market shows, you're adapting it and you can make profit from within. That's why many traders are learning from experiences.

And at the same time, they're having the best learning experiences because they're applying what they've learned.

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There are different strategies used by day traders, but mostly depend on:

technical analysis
sentiments
mindset
risk management (the amount of money used and leveraging)

Trading is beyond mastering market movement alone, you need a kind of trading strategy that will let you still have rest of mind to certain unfavorable price while some traders prefer stop loss. Also mastering the market price without any trading analysis may likely result to loss.

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Continuous learning is the key, the market changes from time to time and we should be more flexible with our strategy since one is not enough and might not give profit to you if you didn't adopt.

Mastering the movement is not easy, I can say that no traders can master this one since its a day to day basis and what happened today might not happen tomorrow, so again be flexible learn everything about trading and use many strategy as much as possible depends on the situation.

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As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

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