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Quote from: mak013 on December 17, 2024, 02:51:49 AM

Everybody losers here. Home match not a big advantage. These teams could move earlier to Europe and prepare to the games, but now they have to prepare between two games. And it is if we are talking about ideal situation that all 6 teams would be from Americas(as for me, North America would be ok too).

3 of them will be from South America, that was the deal, nobody knows the rest because we don't know which team will qualify but the obvious chance is that the other 3 will be from outside, they will probably try to force the odds so it will be Europeans ones in order to avoid making a team travel to 3 continents.

Quote from: hedgeh0g on December 16, 2024, 05:08:23 AM

Of course, I don't know a single fan from my circle who would want to fly to every match to root for their favorite team. In that case, I would prefer to stay in one country and go to the matches that seem most interesting to me.

Depends a bit on what the distance really is, for example, between Madrid and Lisbon you have 600 kilometers, and this is between two countries, for example, fans trying to get to Lille from Marseille have around 1000km in the same league Grin

Normally top teams get at least 30% of the tickets, spread this across 20,000 fans and if we count richer countries I assume it would be easy 5k fans that would travel across these countries to see all the matches.

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I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

If those 6 are from South America they would actually have an advantage since they will play "at home" match and then fly to Europe, the truly disadvantage ones would be teams from Asia who will need to fly to South America first, maybe even face the host country and then fly to maybe both Spain and Morroco for the next two, that would be bad! Also, about hosting it, we had South Africa managing it and that was close to a complete failure, Uruguay and Paraguay are miles ahead while Morroco is far better even now 6 years before than most of the bidders.

The losers in this are the fans, imagine trying to cheer for your team and being forced to pay 30 times the tickets in airplane travel.

Everybody losers here. Home match not a big advantage. These teams could move earlier to Europe and prepare to the games, but now they have to prepare between two games. And it is if we are talking about ideal situation that all 6 teams would be from Americas(as for me, North America would be ok too).

PS. It would be an opportunity for some fans to see such holiday without expenses - even if they would not visit the match - the holiday would be around them. But it is just trying to find something positive in such awful decision.

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Quote from: stompix on December 16, 2024, 03:43:41 AM

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I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

If those 6 are from South America they would actually have an advantage since they will play "at home" match and then fly to Europe, the truly disadvantage ones would be teams from Asia who will need to fly to South America first, maybe even face the host country and then fly to maybe both Spain and Morroco for the next two, that would be bad! Also, about hosting it, we had South Africa managing it and that was close to a complete failure, Uruguay and Paraguay are miles ahead while Morroco is far better even now 6 years before than most of the bidders.

The losers in this are the fans, imagine trying to cheer for your team and being forced to pay 30 times the tickets in airplane travel.

To be honest, I don't really like this format either, although of course it is new and makes it better for those who live in the countries and cities where the matches are held. Of course, I don't know a single fan from my circle who would want to fly to every match to root for their favorite team. In that case, I would prefer to stay in one country and go to the matches that seem most interesting to me. It seems to me that this format will not be successful, although 2030 is still a long way off and perhaps something will change in our changing world.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 15, 2024, 03:43:12 AM

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I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

If those 6 are from South America they would actually have an advantage since they will play "at home" match and then fly to Europe, the truly disadvantage ones would be teams from Asia who will need to fly to South America first, maybe even face the host country and then fly to maybe both Spain and Morroco for the next two, that would be bad! Also, about hosting it, we had South Africa managing it and that was close to a complete failure, Uruguay and Paraguay are miles ahead while Morroco is far better even now 6 years before than most of the bidders.

The losers in this are the fans, imagine trying to cheer for your team and being forced to pay 30 times the tickets in airplane travel.

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Quote from: Z-tight on December 14, 2024, 03:11:55 PM

If the team is a quality one, then it makes it harder to beat them, i.e. Spain is a big team that can beat any country on their day, so if they are at home and with their crowd behind them, they have more motivation to give their best. However, for a smaller team, i.e. Qatar or Saudi Arabia, it would not matter too much, they are not strong and not even playing at home can help them.

I'm not saying that I disagree that Spain or Portugal are high-quality teams and stronger than others like Qatar or Saudi Arabia but we have all seen how difficult it becomes to win those "lower level" national teams, especially in front of their fans. Now, the difference in quality that previously existed between teams has greatly reduced, while the importance and influence of the fans remains an important factor.

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Quote from: Z-tight on December 14, 2024, 03:11:55 PM

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When a football team plays in their home country, it increases their chances of winning. The players feel the support of their fans and try to demonstrate their best game.

If the team is a quality one, then it makes it harder to beat them, i.e. Spain is a big team that can beat any country on their day, so if they are at home and with their crowd behind them, they have more motivation to give their best. However, for a smaller team, i.e. Qatar or Saudi Arabia, it would not matter too much, they are not strong and not even playing at home can help them.

Yes, of course, the weaker the football team, the less chances it has to become a champion.

And even a large number of fans - compatriots in the stands of the stadium will not be able to help it. Nevertheless, even a weak team in such conditions can show a better result than one could expect from it. And this point is very important for us - players who bet on sports competitions.

At the same time, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Spain, Portugal and Morocco are amazing countries that I would really like to visit! Of these countries, I have only been to Spain.

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Quote from: stompix on December 14, 2024, 07:29:20 AM

The whole thing has become a joke!

I would understand if it would mean something really great like you know Germany and France hosting this after WW1, but from what it was supposed to be to the actual meaningless political garbage that is the decisive factor is who is hosting what and in what format it has come down a long way.

Quote from: mak013 on December 14, 2024, 12:59:52 AM

Now we see awful decision - moving between America, Africa and Europe.
There is one more reason i don`t like these choice. I don`t sure that Morocco, Paraguay and Uruguay has good enough stadiums. It is possible that they will build new ones, but it is really difficult as for me for these countries to create good infrastructure and stadiums.

They don't need stadiums and at maximum only 6 teams will travel to South America.
Just the first 3 matches will be played in Argentina, Paraguay, and Uruguay the rest of the matches will be in Spain Portugal and Morroco, so most of the teams might travel less than half of what they did when Brazil hosted it.

I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on December 14, 2024, 11:19:17 AM

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There's a significant effect on some situations, but eventually every person would soon adapt the changes. They'll be getting used up with the changes and I think crowd would soon increase as well as the audience growing numbers. This huge event of FIFA is somehow a worldwide stream when each team match commences, so there's nothing impossible that this system would remain consistent and efficient.

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.

Especially if it is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

Certainly, mental motivation should be observed on most athletes nowadays because without that mindset the performance won't earn good outcome. Social relationship particular with different locations of every athlete would provide them strong self esteem to strive harder for their related sports activities. Mental health well of course matters, it's the essential thing for a person who carries huge responsibility for the team they belong.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on December 14, 2024, 02:43:10 PM

When a football team plays in their home country, it increases their chances of winning. The players feel the support of their fans and try to demonstrate their best game.

If the team is a quality one, then it makes it harder to beat them, i.e. Spain is a big team that can beat any country on their day, so if they are at home and with their crowd behind them, they have more motivation to give their best. However, for a smaller team, i.e. Qatar or Saudi Arabia, it would not matter too much, they are not strong and not even playing at home can help them.

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When a football team plays in their home country, it increases their chances of winning. The players feel the support of their fans and try to demonstrate their best game.

Thus, the football teams of six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay can demonstrate football of better quality than when these same football teams played in a foreign country. Some of them can even become champions. For example, the football team of Spain has a great chance.

Holding games on the territory of 6 countries is a great idea! It will be a real holiday for wealthy fans who will be able to visit all these 6 countries, rooting for their favorite football teams.

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Quote from: Yucky on December 13, 2024, 08:03:55 AM

Same. I prefer betting on leagues because they have more active watchers, viewers, and speculators. When it comes to the World Cup, I take my time to study the participating countries if I want to bet. However, I'm more familiar with leagues than World Cups.

Likewise, some times I do find it very hard to roll along with this cups as well because most times it's that hard to predict the country to win or lose, making bettors to be that very selective having the fear to choose correctly, to me it's more of guess than using the past history to gamble since it is years past. Gambler wouldn't know the changes that may likely occurred within the period of spacing of matches, you can't tell if there's any improvement across very countries.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on December 14, 2024, 11:19:17 AM

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.

Especially if it is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

These guys are professionals, so they know what they’re doing, and their main goal is to win no matter where they play. However, we can’t take home-court advantage lightly, it’s called an advantage for a reason. It gives the home team an edge, with the encouragement and inspiration of playing in front of their countrymen being a huge factor.

Even weaker teams tend to perform better in that situation. So, when betting, it’s always worth considering, especially if the odds seem attractive and undervalued.

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The roar of the supporters in a stadium will certainly have an impact, whether it is big or not is all subjective. However, if the atmosphere in the stadium is so strong with the terms of meaning, of course it will be very influential, especially in World Cup matches. For example, in my country, loyal supporters of the national team will have a strong effect on the players who will compete, they seem motivated by the support given. Which means, a team that has great support directly in the stadium can increase self-confidence which has an impact on the performance of the players, although it does not always have to be the case. That is why the home team seems to have another advantage regardless of the strength of the team, but in any case the impact will always be there. Referring to your question, of course we will always consider all aspects related to a match, whether it is the country holding the match, the home team and many other factors. In football it is unique, we can look at it from various angles in the analysis material stage. Apart from all that, the final result of the match cannot be predicted as accurately as possible.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

One thing we need to understand is that the crowd/audience always play a key role in the performance of club or player in any sporting event, and as such, their importance can never be overemphasize, be it in either basketball, football or MMA fighting e.t.c. But that doesn't exclude the fact that even with the availability of crowd, a club just needs to be competent enough to achieve success in a game, which is also another thing that is crucial, since a good club will always better good, despite playing either home or away. Hence, inasmuch as the location a game will be played is important, let's not forget their individual strength, as that matters a lot.

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Quote from: Jewan420 on December 14, 2024, 03:30:40 AM

In big events, I try to enjoy the game more than betting. For example, the World Cup or the Continental Cup. These matches usually have a lot of competition and match predictions are very complicated. Especially if you are betting on such big events, you will not be able to enjoy the events easily. You can choose bilateral matches or club level matches for betting.

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I also like you prefer to enjoy it rather than betting on it since the world cup or continental tournament is more difficult and complicated to predict because there are many factors that affect it such as psychological pressure, player quality, and many other factors. Let's take the Qatar World Cup as an example, at that time many of the big football nations were favored to win, but who would have thought that Morocco could enter the semifinals by beating Portugal, holding Spain to a draw, and several others - no one could have predicted how Morocco could enter the semifinals - and that in itself is a logical reason why this big tournament is indeed difficult to predict and people who want to take the risk of betting on this tournament must already understand that.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform?

When a country or team play in front of their home fans, there is the chance for them to do better than when they are playing in an unfamiliar place with unfamiliar and nonsupporting fans. I actually take it into consideration when betting.

Quote from: kotajikikox on December 14, 2024, 11:19:17 AM

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.
Especially ifit is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

It is easier to say for you because you are just quoting theories. Even top athletes have their moments when they lack motivation or feel unmotivated to play and deliver an optimal performance and it can be due to many issues.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 13, 2024, 06:43:59 AM

I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

It’s one of my favorite matches to bet on. I think it gives us that sense of pride to see someone of the same region or country competing and winning. They are able to promote their countries as well. Despite not having my country participate, I can just pick another country to claim as my own just to watch.

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What I think about your question is that it is possible that the matches result might be affected because the home can favour than playing away. Now it is 6 countries that will host the cup and not just a country.

Really excited as this may tip the scales a little bit. It will also be good for fans, imo. More chances to watch and see the match live.

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Playing at home is an advantage not only for the crowd but mostly because the at home team does not have to travel or sleep away from home.

So also take into consideration special rules on each country. For example Greece due to very severe incidents with hooligans will only allow fans of one team to enter the stadium for each match. As absurd as it sounds, it's an extreme measure to solve extreme violence. It hurts teams financially and may make people to think twice before being violent as it will really hurt their team.

But in the end this gives a huge advantage to the home team because the other team is not allowed to have a crowd at all! And to imagine for anyone to have to travel abroad for a match, surely also on international matches the home team has an advantage.

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Quote from: AliMan on December 14, 2024, 03:04:25 AM

There's a significant effect on some situations, but eventually every person would soon adapt the changes. They'll be getting used up with the changes and I think crowd would soon increase as well as the audience growing numbers. This huge event of FIFA is somehow a worldwide stream when each team match commences, so there's nothing impossible that this system would remain consistent and efficient.

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.

Especially if it is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Now, I sense some inequality here, if African was to be considered, why not consider her properly by assigning two of it's countries to be part of the events. It's still much unfair on FIFA's side.

Crowds have a very good impact on the performance of players. If you've a very supportive and effective crowd, they can help demoralize your opponents and encourage their team to success with the exception of teams that have been trained to such emotional strength that a stronger fan base has little or no effect on them. When I was younger and in the academy, our coach then always tells us that a team can win a match easily with a strong fan base.

A typical example is a Real Madrid and Villarreal match one time when Villarreal was home and Madrid was outplaying them, they started calling Vini which was their key performer a monkey and this destabilized him, made him lose concentration and angry and I think they lost that match to the home team

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

You can often hear that good fans are an extra player, and I think that is the case sometimes. Fans can be that extra incentive for players to do their best and "leave their hearts on the field". But that is only one factor that may or may not be important, it is much more important that the team is good, in full form, and in a full lineup without injured players.

I saw this new system and I don't know what to think about it. It looks interesting at first glance, but we will see how it will look in reality... It might be interesting for fans from these countries to be able to attend various games, but it might be too tiring for the players.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

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There is a good saing - "the walls at home are your friends" and I agree with this statement. Roar ^{(the great shouts of the crowd)} coming from fans which are dominated at places native to athletes is either supporting or triggering their commitment to win - response which might be hidden inside their body should the given event has taken the place in the areas with hostile encirclement.

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Quote from: Sim_card on December 13, 2024, 06:45:09 AM

Of course, there are some clubs that their performance can be affected playing away from home. There are also some that playing away wouldn't affect them. But we know that any team playing at home will have that advantage of the crowd and the field he is used to playing most times. The new world cup format will definitely affect many countries at a start but in the long run, they will get used to it. It's the same thing with the new UCL format that's affecting some clubs currently.

Players are more comfortable playing in their home ground, the reason why most times when a team lost in their home ground it always becomes very difficult to win the same club when play at away, most times they will end up playing draw at a way after Lossing in their home ground, that which is called home advantage is very really even though most person may tend to argue that in their own perception. But however, I derive more comfort betting on club side than country game, most of the players don't usually bring their best performance when comes to nations games.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place?

It must be the country where the world cup will be held, one main factor that must be considered for football fans, if the FIFA world cup is held in 2030, Several countries mentioned in the source have fulfilled the requirements, regardless of whether they make it to the final or not, the point being that these countries have support from neighboring countries.

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Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform?

It is clear that the audience has a major role for the team or athlete, in sports it is called mental support, the bigger the audience, the more aggressive it is for the team to show their best, regardless of whether they lose or win, but it has a big influence.

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What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

What application do you mean, I don't understand, do you mean the FIFA World Cup rules for the countries mentioned, if so I think it's good.

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The whole thing has become a joke!

I would understand if it would mean something really great like you know Germany and France hosting this after WW1, but from what it was supposed to be to the actual meaningless political garbage that is the decisive factor is who is hosting what and in what format it has come down a long way.

Quote from: mak013 on December 14, 2024, 12:59:52 AM

Now we see awful decision - moving between America, Africa and Europe.
There is one more reason i don`t like these choice. I don`t sure that Morocco, Paraguay and Uruguay has good enough stadiums. It is possible that they will build new ones, but it is really difficult as for me for these countries to create good infrastructure and stadiums.

They don't need stadiums and at maximum only 6 teams will travel to South America.
Just the first 3 matches will be played in Argentina, Paraguay, and Uruguay the rest of the matches will be in Spain Portugal and Morroco, so most of the teams might travel less than half of what they did when Brazil hosted it.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place?

Since I am not visiting, I do not consider the country where the matches will be played as much, after all, FIFA and other governing bodies have their standards which must be adhered to by the host, so there is no way they will disappoint which is the main thing about football competitions. But visitors must care about the countries, some countries are hostile and many others do not allow total freedom of what you eat or drink and religion as a whole, there's no way this will not have its effect one way or another.

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I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

From my understanding I noticed that club side are more that serious because they are paid heavily than continental cups. Though I could be wrong but while most of the matches are featured I do see this seriousness in them playing and putting much of their skills on club side than either nation/continental cup, in that you wouldn't see them put best of their talent to perform extensively the way they should do because they aren't that valued. Check out the history of most players today they solely originates from their clubs sides and what they are today are being paid from the clubs and not by their nations. So, this is why many people loves betting on club side game as you said than the nation/continental games.

On the other hand too, club games are always with us (if you understand what I mean), that is, club games/tournaments is a type of sports event that is always on our faces, and because of this, one who is always watching this clubs play have over time learnt the strength and weaknesses of each of this clubs, so when a club is to play against another club, it's easy to place bet on such match knowing the strength and weaknesses of both sides.

I clearly understand your points mate, that is why it is very hard to determines how they plays, so club side games gain much attention than that of FIFA, Word cup/continental cup. Most time it is that difficult to factor how they plays whom to win, and whom to lose due to their much gaped distances taking longer time and years to re-fixed another meeting, but club side gives to that constant moment to always factor out which people to win and people lose and if there were any changes within the short period of time.

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Frankly, I believe that the unique global footprint of the 2030 FIFA World Cup will definitely make things more unpredictable for gamblers and fans to know the winner from odds only. It's very known that the location of matches can significantly influence outcomes of matches as home crowds and crazy fans often boost team morale and performance.
While players also might feel more pressure or motivation based on the crowd’s energy and without forgetting the travel between continents could also impact teams’ fitness and strategies, arriving late or early. This can change and touch the format which ould favor teams with depth and adaptability but it also adds a layer of complexity for those analyzing form and performance for betting. It’s an exciting yet challenging shift for both teams and gamblers together, bur maybe the odds will make it up for the gamblers.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 13, 2024, 06:43:59 AM

I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

From my understanding I noticed that club side are more that serious because they are paid heavily than continental cups. Though I could be wrong but while most of the matches are featured I do see this seriousness in them playing and putting much of their skills on club side than either nation/continental cup, in that you wouldn't see them put best of their talent to perform extensively the way they should do because they aren't that valued. Check out the history of most players today they solely originates from their clubs sides and what they are today are being paid from the clubs and not by their nations. So, this is why many people loves betting on club side game as you said than the nation/continental games.

On the other hand too, club games are always with us (if you understand what I mean), that is, club games/tournaments is a type of sports event that is always on our faces, and because of this, one who is always watching this clubs play have over time learnt the strength and weaknesses of each of this clubs, so when a club is to play against another club, it's easy to place bet on such match knowing the strength and weaknesses of both sides.

But talking about world cup/continental tournaments, this one is seasonal, like the FIFA world cup only comes around every 4 years (if I am not mistaken), four years is a long period of time, and withing this time, different countries go through a lot of changes which could affect their performance when the playing season comes, and for us the gamblers, it is often difficult to tell exactly what changes have happened with the team and how their performance will be, you discover that when betting, you are more of guessing than being sure to a certain level, this is why some gamblers will wait and watch different team play against each other, determine their performance before know how to go about placing bets to better their chances of winning.

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I think of the NFL when I read this thread and how they are trying to bring American Football to other countries such as Brazil, Germany, and London. Eventually I expect the sport to be worldwide. Soccer is already a worldwide sport and has millions of fans all across the globe.

I'm not sure players do or don't try harder when in a different country playing their sport, but I hope other countries feel that athletes represent their teams in the best way they can as well as I hope the athletes treat their hosts with respect and kindness.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 13, 2024, 06:43:59 AM

I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

From my understanding I noticed that club side are more that serious because they are paid heavily than continental cups. Though I could be wrong but while most of the matches are featured I do see this seriousness in them playing and putting much of their skills on club side than either nation/continental cup, in that you wouldn't see them put best of their talent to perform extensively the way they should do because they aren't that valued. Check out the history of most players today they solely originates from their clubs sides and what they are today are being paid from the clubs and not by their nations. So, this is why many people loves betting on club side game as you said than the nation/continental games.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

I don't think this new system of FIFA will have much or any significant impact in the performance of the team/a country playing in the world cup. It can be assumed that the higher the number of supporters cheering for a team playing, the higher their chances of having a better performance and possibly winning the game, but this is not exactly or even near the motive for why FIFA is going with the new system, I believe the real motive in the new system of having several countries host the world cup at the same time is a way of uniting those countries through the game.

Football as we all know is one game that is loved in the whole world, 80 to 90 percent of all the matured people that live in a country love football, and there is no better way to unite the world and the people if not through football, so, I believe this is what fifa is trying to achieve, while also celebrating the game of football.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

In big events, I try to enjoy the game more than betting. For example, the World Cup or the Continental Cup. These matches usually have a lot of competition and match predictions are very complicated. Especially if you are betting on such big events, you will not be able to enjoy the events easily. You can choose bilateral matches or club level matches for betting.

To answer your question, I would like to say that this new FIFA rule will not have much impact on the big teams. Because, in professional football, you have to be able to play in any situation. However, at home, you get a different level of confidence and audience support. You even do not have to endure the pressure of travel, which a traveling team is deprived of. For small teams, these things can have a negative impact, but big teams do not make a mistake in proving their professionalism. Big teams are able to show their normal performance in addition to home advantage.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

There's a significant effect on some situations, but eventually every person would soon adapt the changes. They'll be getting used up with the changes and I think crowd would soon increase as well as the audience growing numbers. This huge event of FIFA is somehow a worldwide stream when each team match commences, so there's nothing impossible that this system would remain consistent and efficient.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Yes, I think it totally affects how a determined team is going to perform. We have to take into consideration the atmosphere of the environment where the match is going to take place. The morale of the team who has the largest crowd will be surely much superior. Moreover, the native team is used to play on their field, so it's likely they play better there. There is also the travelling factor: imagine having to travel for several hours or a whole day by plane in order to play a match in another country on the another side of the world as soon as you disembark.

Of course it will have an impact over the team. There are also many other factors to take into consideration such as height and temperature of the country. On the other hand, these are never decisive factors. It's always possible for a team to overcome all the obstacles and challenges involved in order to win the match in the end, against all the expectations.

Compared to the number of spectators, I actually tend to see that factors such as location, weather, altitude, and field conditions can affect team performance, especially for example, teams that are accustomed to playing in cold climates may have difficulty in countries with high temperatures, because I remember if there was a match between Argentina, Brazil vs Bolivia at that time in the Coppa America which made Argentina and Brazil players have to vomit when the first half ended, the field owned by Bolivia was at a high altitude which caused oxygen to be very thin, so that's why I think the location and weather where the match starts is a factor that can greatly affect performance.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

For football matches the host is important factor which can influence the results of the particular matches and i think it's commonly happend in this sport even for league matches host team usually will being an the favourite to win the matches and for betting too the bookies usually give low odds for host teams and i believe the crowd from the audience will give an effect for the athlete who will play because it can give those athletes more fighting spirit to win the match and about new system of FIFA world cup i was remember World up 2002 Korea and Japan as a host but there were some of controversy and scandal at that year especially after Korea can able to advances to the semifinal because most people says Korea was helped by the referee

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

I always check the venue of the match, it's one of the parts I never leave out whenever I do my research because you could be leaving out a piece of important information and it could be the difference in securing a winning bet or avoiding an unnecessary loss.

The crowd does have some impact on teams, some of them could be feeding on their energy to gain confidence while others get pressured because i've seen people try to disrupt the opposing team in unusual ways.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

The home team has advantage. This the only truth. On the other hand we see long distance transfers for teams and decreasing quality of the football. Now we see awful decision - moving between America, Africa and Europe.
There is one more reason i don`t like these choice. I don`t sure that Morocco, Paraguay and Uruguay has good enough stadiums. It is possible that they will build new ones, but it is really difficult as for me for these countries to create good infrastructure and stadiums. Yes, it would be wonderful month for these countries people, but the price is too high as for me.

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I didn't even know that the next World Cup would be so big. It's a great event and I will definitely be following it closely and most likely be placing an increased number of bets on the matches. I have always believed that football lacks a global presence from all continents. The fact that Africa and South America are so poorly represented and many countries do not participate in the championships is a big omission of the organizers. However, it seems that as time goes by, we see that these mistakes are gradually being corrected. Perhaps this will be the most exciting World Cup in history!

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Yes, of course. And I think it also reflects in the odds. It is, for example, a significant factor if a team or athlete is playing in front of his/her home crowd. That's a big advantage. If a US team is playing in the US against a team from another country, it must be to their benefit.

But even if it isn't home country, it still has an effect. For example, if Uruguay is up against France and the game is played in Argentina, it must be to the advantage of Team Uruguay. Not only do they belong to the same region, they also speak the same language. The home fans would certainly be cheering for them, among other factors.

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It doesn't affect me because the most important thing is to see and make some of the strongest team as favorites, for example Qatar who participated in the World Cup while they were the host, in the end they were also eliminated faster, so wherever the World Cup takes place it doesn't matter.
And in every World Cup match it is definitely filled with spectators even for ticket sales can run out long before the match will be held, each fan of both team certainly comes to watch and support their favorite team and the number of spectators will never affect the team, moreover the players also have really good mentality.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform?

Definitely to footballers every aspects that require playing is very important to them and thus it affects their performance in the field, and this is to say if a particular team is playing and there's no much cheering from their fans or audience it does a great deal of affecting their performance a whole lot, so when matches are going on this should always be put into consideration.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Yes, I think it totally affects how a determined team is going to perform. We have to take into consideration the atmosphere of the environment where the match is going to take place. The morale of the team who has the largest crowd will be surely much superior. Moreover, the native team is used to play on their field, so it's likely they play better there. There is also the travelling factor: imagine having to travel for several hours or a whole day by plane in order to play a match in another country on the another side of the world as soon as you disembark.

Of course it will have an impact over the team. There are also many other factors to take into consideration such as height and temperature of the country. On the other hand, these are never decisive factors. It's always possible for a team to overcome all the obstacles and challenges involved in order to win the match in the end, against all the expectations.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place?

Yes.

Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform?

I do believe that crowd chant and noise helps and boosts the teams that they're cheering. It is helping to boost the morale of the athletes and the teams that they're chanting to win.

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What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

I'm not yet familiar with FIFA but in some other sports, that's what I have noticed. And with huge crowd of FIFA, it is for sure going to give some help but these athletes are professionals, if they're down they won't just take it into count the crowd noise.

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There is definitely difference and advantage where you play your match and in fact every sporting activities has such. Therefore, there is a reason that there are home matches and away matches especially in club games. This also affect and influence the odds that teams get. For home matches, bookmakers also understand that there are advantages that home teams get; if nothing, the crowd presense matters and that boost the moral of home players. Also, it is assumed that home teams are already use to their pitch and are expected to have that as their own advantage. However, we have also seen home teams beaten by away teams.

Moreso, there is also home factor in other sports like boxing which is the reason that very important boxing match are taken away from both participants domain.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Being a host country or not is just an advantage for the country to hold the match in their home, it has no any effect on the winning or loosing of the match, the player have to try their best and make the efforts of their coach show by working together as a team to defeat their opponent, this is how a normal match should go, but some may be thinking of the other way round, which is off the radar entirely, just that now, we are beginning to experience some level of violence from some African countries on players and spectators while the match is ongoing or before the start of the match.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 13, 2024, 04:32:00 PM

It really depends on the athletes' performance. After all, who's playing inside the field? So it is on them, whether they will give their best foot forward or not. In some cases, the cheering of the audience can uplift their spirits. But do take note that even without the audience, they can still continue to play and may somehow focus on their work inside the arena.

The performance of the athletes is the main factor because they have to play quite well and also with a strategy that can make them win.
The cheers of the audience are just a trigger for them to continue to be excited, even without supporters they can still play well.
Seeing how things are on the field, of course, players just need to focus on winning the match and setting the best strategy possible.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

I personally believe the location for a match to take place can be important in the outcome of the match itself, specially if the host team is playing in their home country and the people of the country is specially passionate when comes to football in general. It just takes a look at countries like Brazil and what happened back in the day during the 2014 world cup, how the Brazilian selection felt the pressure of playing in their home country and for the sake of bringing the world cup home, making it through the finals. The team itself can either get inspired by the love of their people or also commit blunts which lead them to defeat, the famous Germany vs Brazil was a good example of it, the pressure made the whole Brazilian team to fall under its own ambitions and disappointed their fans.

On the other hand, I am not sure whether I agree with the plans of the FIFA to hold the 2030 world cup in such different places at the same time, it would be better if they simply chose a host country as usual and allowed people of the country to welcome all teams and tourists, as usually happens... I don't see why they push so much on globalizing football in this way.

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Quote from: Slow death on December 13, 2024, 11:26:47 AM

In my case, I just focus on seeing how each team has been performing in the last 5 home and away games, then I see which players from each team are injured. Because something I've noticed over the years that I've been following football is that the players aren't worried about what the fans think of them. So them going to play in Africa where there are no fans watching the game in the stadium won't affect their performance during the game. Football players nowadays are focused on playing well and taking good pictures during the games and posting them on social media to get a lot of attention and sponsorship. They don't care about the fans at the stadium.

It really depends on the athletes' performance. After all, who's playing inside the field? So it is on them, whether they will give their best foot forward or not. In some cases, the cheering of the audience can uplift their spirits. But do take note that even without the audience, they can still continue to play and may somehow focus on their work inside the arena.

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Quote from: eisen33 on December 13, 2024, 10:10:02 AM

I see that in the last year format updates have been introduced (as was done for the Champions League), now they are trying to do something new for other tournaments. Maybe there is nothing wrong with this, it will certainly play into the hands of the team that will play at home in front of its fans, but it will still not be a decisive decision, because the champion is rarely the representative of the country where the final takes place.

even though they want to do something that is unique from other people I think there is a place that copy it but it's not that I am against them but I know that this is the new system the one to introduce let us pray that the new system that I want to bring in let it work according to their expectation if it will be of favor of their plans because we are the team will be against them is when they have a negative mindset to set up so I know about that we give them a problem so we don't need to think otherwise, and what we have to do is to observe them and know exactly what they're doing.

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Yeah the audience affects the team/athlete's game so it's important to play at home where especially as the usual host the players will be motivated with a lot of fan support.

Actually this is still too long to see, now the 2026 world cup with 3 different countries while the home team is not so favorite but this will be a great excitement, then they can bet on their own team or country.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 13, 2024, 06:43:59 AM

I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

What I think about your question is that it is possible that the matches result might be affected because the home can favour than playing away. Now it is 6 countries that will host the cup and not just a country.

Same here. These matches are sometimes very unpredictable, especially when it comes to penalty kicks. It's anybody's game.
Also, you're forced into a false sense of security betting on previous winners, or countries that did well. I did that a few times. For instance, last time Germany that won in 2014 did not leave the group twice in a row in 2018 and 2022.

That said, I think that it matters where the match is being played. Teams usually play better on their own turf. The weather also matters because players will get tired more easily if they have to play in a tropical climate that they're not used to.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

which country or countries that hosts a tournament doesn't affect the outcome of a game in most cases except you're considering that they might have high chances of winning most of their games when they are playing against other team.

If I'm looking out for factors that will determine the potential outcome of the game that will take place even in the coming world cup, the consideration for the country that host the tournament will take the lesser ode while I will look out more for the team that has the potential of winning based on thier team quality.

The location of a tournament like the world cup only attract development and attention to that segment of the world and even if they don't perform well in the tournament, they still get to enjoy other benefit that comes with hosting a tournament as huge as the world cup. As a gambler, you look out for real variables that has the potential of inflicting the outcome of the game and not just minor ones like the county that's hosting it.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Actually it's going to have some sort of effects on the team, the players and even the fans because since it's to be held in different continents, there will be atmospheric conditions that may not suit everyone at same time and such adjustments can affect the quality of performance these players will exhibit just like we saw in the most recent world cup where at some point they had to take breaks even before the end of an actual half, some players couldn't cope well same as some fans, they had to watch from the comfort of their homes in their various countries.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on December 13, 2024, 01:47:40 PM

Football is the biggest sport in the world right now so it's not wonder the association is trying to conduct the tournament in most venues as possible because it attracts more visitors so they get more business so eventually better profits.

That is what it is for the organizers: money, business; i understand that they have to make as much money as possible to keep the sport running smoothly, but the schedule is ruining the game and affecting the players' performance. The organizing body does not care about that, they just keep on adding more and more games, i am not talking about the world cup in particular, but the schedule for the entire season, if players cannot perform at their very best due to fatigue, how do we enjoy the games.

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Usually the host is favored but this does not affect significantly in betting all in this competition can be seen from whichever country is the favorite then that will be bet on.
The problem for me if competing in the South American time zone then the match in the time zone in the morning where it is when leaving for work.
So I'd be happy more in European matches because it's midnight for the zone here.

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It seems that, regarding teams with many famous players in their squad, then playing wherever they are I believe they will still be able to play well. I mean, even though they are playing away but because they are used to playing in the top European leagues, then even though playing away will not have a significant adverse impact on their performance on the field. So, whatever the proposals and plans are for that year, I think the football event will still be interesting, because of course they will also be able to welcome the opposing teams with a good welcome there. So yes, I don't think there is any problem, as long as they still have a good schedule then it will still be good for them to have good fitness and performance.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 13, 2024, 08:27:23 AM

As what others have said, there is what we call home advantage in sports. Those teams playing at home had that psychological advantage against the visiting team. From the home team fans even to the referee which might be biased towards them as their calls could be influence by the crowd too. So it's a big plus, specially the energy of the crowd that will give the home team a big push if they are down. And I don't know if there data around that will support the numbers that a home team has a historical dominance. So it's really very big if competitions are going to be held on a certain county or city and you have to take that into consideration if you are going to bet on such matches.

If such things are taken into consideration, it will definitely have an effect on the teams and the matches, but I think it will be a positive impact. Because the matches that will take place between the teams from different continents will help them improve their mistakes and performance in their competitive games.
And I have watched the games with excitement in various tournaments like the Continent Cup and Asia Cup multiple times in the field of cricket sports and have also bet on some of them.

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I would rather focus on the team's performance, players that makes up the complete team and how they set their priorities right after the first few games. My predictions has nothing to bother on location of the hosts, even those who hosts the event might not go far in the tournament, so it wouldn't matter at most.

Same thing goes for any other League currently playing, you don't basically cast your stakes on each games specifically based on the team playing home, at times it matters but it isn't the most entitled option to consider before betting on any event. Home team loses, even with lots of fans present to cheer them up while the Away team are lacking those chants, the result are drawn from what the players impact on the field and not on the gathered crowd.

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Location has an effect and performance of a player and not the team. Players also perform base on the chanting of fans and when the fans are not found in the country because of the location then it affects the performance of the players. But if they want to perform well they should not look at the location and the fans but to win the game and that is why they are playing. It is the process of performing well, people will be impressed. So location might not be an issue for performance and the performance will make the fans to travel far away to watch football if they are doing well.

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"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

For sure it affects, and i will explain to you why...

The next world cup will be in Mexico, USA and Canada. Some of the games in Mexico will be played in Mexico City and that place has a high of 2,240m, and that's really complex for athletes because they get tired really fast, even if they are in good condition the lack of oxygen makes them feel sick.

I don't like at all the fact that in 2030 it will be all around the globe.

In addition to hosting fan support, you have an approach to athlete performance and that is correct. It is important to consider the suitability of stadiums in countries or the suitability of geography, but I do not think FIFA cares about it. In short, location is very important for football players. In a crowded place, it directs everyone's attention to the matches, to be honest.

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Soccer is not something heavily dependent on where we play so it's become negligible other than the crowd support so it doesn't really matter when it comes to picking the teams to bet. Football is the biggest sport in the world right now so it's not wonder the association is trying to conduct the tournament in most venues as possible because it attracts more visitors so they get more business so eventually better profits.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Well I don't know for other gamblers but I do have preference on where or the league of the match is located because for reason I have already tagged some and the way the results of the matches play out. Although I am talking about clubside teams as I really don't if this applies to international matches but I have certain way I play games in the Argentine league, Brazil league and most south America league as most of the games are home win influenced.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 13, 2024, 06:43:59 AM

I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

What I think about your question is that it is possible that the matches result might be affected because the home can favour than playing away. Now it is 6 countries that will host the cup and not just a country.

In my case it is just the opposite: I prefer to bet on these important matches I often see with friends, and share the emotion with them, like when I tell them for example "if the team A scores thanks to a corner in the second half I invite you all to X" and we all are waiting to see if that happens.

That will be the case in the World Cup 2030 as it will take place, among others, in my country, Spain ^^, a fact that will make some friends get together to watch the games.

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It's very much known that the presence of a crowd can significantly impact a team's home performance because of the energy and support drawn from the crowd, which can act as a boost for the host team's performance, not to lose in the presence of their fans. However, not every home team wins every match played. That's what to be put into consideration when betting on a home team to win. Football match wins are not mostly on the home team to have 3 points victory, the away team can still have. It's from simple mistakes that the home or visiting team loses their matches. Mistakes can happen in whichever team, be it home or visiting team

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Location does matter for players whichever sport it may be. We have also seen teams playing in homeground.
So yeah, considering locations is an advantage while betting on a match.
Talking about the crowd, I guess it shouldn't matter much. Sometimes the crowd do go out of their limits but players should not take it seriously and focus on their game instead.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

In my case, I just focus on seeing how each team has been performing in the last 5 home and away games, then I see which players from each team are injured. Because something I've noticed over the years that I've been following football is that the players aren't worried about what the fans think of them. So them going to play in Africa where there are no fans watching the game in the stadium won't affect their performance during the game. Football players nowadays are focused on playing well and taking good pictures during the games and posting them on social media to get a lot of attention and sponsorship. They don't care about the fans at the stadium.

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at a professional level these information have value 0. if you shout some slurs to a professional footballer probably he will just not notice.
There is of course a case where teams outside can suffer "the pression" of the crowd but it can being something minor...
Just think to Italy in 2006 when defeat Germany.... During world cup there was no game between the teams even with an impressive number of deutsch supporters at stadium.

Professional or not, they are still humans. I agree that in our times doesn't make such an impact but we can't take it out of the picture. The thing is that we are talking about National team games/tournament, which are very different from domestic teams, in all aspects. When your shirt has the badge of your country you simply give it all, nothing else matters. So even if they have some pressure, for sure they will not get it under their skin and they will all fight for every ball.

On his opinion, He has a valid point especially on a game like football that being played in open filled. It’s very hard to hear clearly what the crowd said so technically it will not affect the visiting players in an event that the crowd is throwing negative words just to down the feelings of player. It’s literally useless.

On the other hand, crowd cheering as support can help to boost the performance of players since it’s a positive sound which a player doesn’t need to hear clearly in able to motivate.

Right, the want to factor the crowd as well in international matches not just in football. And they are the intangibles, factors that we can't quantity and yet very important in sports. Fans are crowd boosting, how many times that we have seen cheers from them changing the outcome of the game? or at least players inspired actions because thousands of fans are cheering for them to win?

And logistically, it's also going to be a boost for their economy if the sports are going to be held in their country. As it will draw a lot of local fans resulting in a good ticket revenue for the organizer and the country itself.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Basically FIFA is trying to get a stranglehold on the worldwide market, before other nations or groups manage to grow large enough to contest that power. You mention the crowd and we should definitely be cautious when it comes to hosting in certain countries, if penalties for things like flares, rioting or other thuggery is not dealt with by the host government properly. This is about money and power for FIFA, frankly it would be nice if there was another contender or competition in this sector, because FIFA has made some terrible governance decisions in the past, decides when to allow political activism (i.e. when not affecting their biggest spenders) and thinks it is above governments when it comes to certain decisions - they need knocking down a peg or two.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

For world cup matches my bets analysis considers only the countries. For intercontinental games, I also consider only the countries. When I consider home crowd versus away crowd is during club matches. But with this new system of FIFA World Cup, we may begin to look at the home crowd as also likely to have an effect on the teams performance.

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at a professional level these information have value 0. if you shout some slurs to a professional footballer probably he will just not notice.
There is of course a case where teams outside can suffer "the pression" of the crowd but it can being something minor...
Just think to Italy in 2006 when defeat Germany.... During world cup there was no game between the teams even with an impressive number of deutsch supporters at stadium.

Professional or not, they are still humans. I agree that in our times doesn't make such an impact but we can't take it out of the picture. The thing is that we are talking about National team games/tournament, which are very different from domestic teams, in all aspects. When your shirt has the badge of your country you simply give it all, nothing else matters. So even if they have some pressure, for sure they will not get it under their skin and they will all fight for every ball.

On his opinion, He has a valid point especially on a game like football that being played in open filled. It’s very hard to hear clearly what the crowd said so technically it will not affect the visiting players in an event that the crowd is throwing negative words just to down the feelings of player. It’s literally useless.

On the other hand, crowd cheering as support can help to boost the performance of players since it’s a positive sound which a player doesn’t need to hear clearly in able to motivate.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 13, 2024, 06:43:59 AM

I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

What I think about your question is that it is possible that the matches result might be affected because the home can favour than playing away. Now it is 6 countries that will host the cup and not just a country.

The fact that it is 6 countries hosting that world cup, makes it even more difficult to predict, so why not just enjoy the game and bet occasionally or not at all during the tournament.
I think the crowd would have a real effect on boosting or elevating the teams spirit because it is going to be so much different than when the world cup is hosted in a country or between two very close countries.

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Quote from: bitbollo on December 13, 2024, 10:28:51 AM

at a professional level these information have value 0. if you shout some slurs to a professional footballer probably he will just not notice.
There is of course a case where teams outside can suffer "the pression" of the crowd but it can being something minor...
Just think to Italy in 2006 when defeat Germany.... During world cup there was no game between the teams even with an impressive number of deutsch supporters at stadium.

Professional or not, they are still humans. I agree that in our times doesn't make such an impact but we can't take it out of the picture. The thing is that we are talking about National team games/tournament, which are very different from domestic teams, in all aspects. When your shirt has the badge of your country you simply give it all, nothing else matters. So even if they have some pressure, for sure they will not get it under their skin and they will all fight for every ball.

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at a professional level these information have value 0. if you shout some slurs to a professional footballer probably he will just not notice.
There is of course a case where teams outside can suffer "the pression" of the crowd but it can being something minor...
Just think to Italy in 2006 when defeat Germany.... During world cup there was no game between the teams even with an impressive number of deutsch supporters at stadium.

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Change is constant and sometimes we have to accept what it brings, normally I'd prefer if only one country hosts the world cup or max two countries that are near each other. But looking at the FIFA's new rule of up to six countries in different continents to host the world cup is not a bad idea, it has some added advantages to the tournament. Six automatic qualifications and also their advantages to play in front of their home crowds will give the host countries teams advantages to qualify for the next rounds.

As for gambling on world cup games, I believe that most gamblers will bet for fun, probably their national teams without applying much strategies. It's on club levels where the players plays regularly that strategies can apply most.

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I see that in the last year format updates have been introduced (as was done for the Champions League), now they are trying to do something new for other tournaments. Maybe there is nothing wrong with this, it will certainly play into the hands of the team that will play at home in front of its fans, but it will still not be a decisive decision, because the champion is rarely the representative of the country where the final takes place.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place?

With impartial officiating, I don't think playing away from home should mean anything. There shouldn't be anything like home advantage. It's only in corrupt and skewed officiating that we think of such. Everywhere should be home. That's what the beautiful game of football should be all about – fair play.

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Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform?

Yes, I believe it does. An athlete who is booed won't be at their optimum performance. It's a psychological thing. People love to be praised and paid compliments. It brings out the best in us. The opposite becomes the case when talked down.

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What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

I'm not really sure how this is going to turn out but it's worth trying at that level. We've had instances were tournaments were co–hosted by countries and such tournaments turned out well.

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The next world cup, which is the 2026 world cup is also co-hosted by 3 different countries: the United States, Mexico and canada, however, they are all from the same continent, North America. The 2030 world cup is larger because co-hosts are from different continents, while 2034 will be hosted by Saudi Arabia.

I prefer a single host for the tournament, but that is just me, and when gambling i focus more on the quality of the team playing and not where the match is played.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

I only like to bet on clubs, I only bet on domestic football in a small number of countries that are reliable and strong. Especially in football club betting, the highest winnings are possible because each team and each player performs aggressively from their position.
And the games are full of great competition, and betting on clubs is different. But I don't get as much fun betting on those countries, that's why I bet less on domestic games, but I can get fun by betting on the final matches of the FIFA World Cup.

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I believe fans do have an impact on the team. For a player, it's always nice to play at home with the crowd cheering for you, that's a confidence booster. That is why it is called a homecourt advantage and the oddsmakers also add that up to the selection of bets. A home team can become a super favorite especially when they are good and their home crowd is so energetic. It could go up to x1.10 - x1.20 and that almost means it's a sure win for that home team.
The opposing team on the other hand can match that if they are a better team or on top of the rankings. Teams with superstars that are popular can also mean that most bets will be for their team and a sports bookie must balance that although they will remain the favorite even if they are the visiting team.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform?

Definitely, Having a crowd factor support can boost the morale of a team based on that country. Also home team has unlimited support for their team unlike away teams that might face some issue with visa and finances with their players which can be a result to absence on the game.

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Not a football fan but this is a good idea to change ambiance and to promote the sports on other country and at the same time have a different home support compared to the typical country that host their league.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

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Oh 100%. Though I don't think it's not that major of a factor, in the grand scheme of matches especially with matchups where both teams are almost equal of skill, such a minor factor like the home field CAN be a deciding factor. Doesn't mean it should be taken into account all the time though. A vast disparity in skill will never be closed by the team just playing on the home ground lol. Though I guess there could be instances where it actually can, but as a gambler, such stuff shouldn't even be taken into account in the first place since those instances are so damn rare lol.

Also, I think this is just more of FIFA trying to bring the matches in different countries instead. Might be to invite more enthusiasts? Still quite a few years away though.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

For sure it affects, and i will explain to you why...

The next world cup will be in Mexico, USA and Canada. Some of the games in Mexico will be played in Mexico City and that place has a high of 2,240m, and that's really complex for athletes because they get tired really fast, even if they are in good condition the lack of oxygen makes them feel sick.

I don't like at all the fact that in 2030 it will be all around the globe.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

As what others have said, there is what we call home advantage in sports. Those teams playing at home had that psychological advantage against the visiting team. From the home team fans even to the referee which might be biased towards them as their calls could be influence by the crowd too. So it's a big plus, specially the energy of the crowd that will give the home team a big push if they are down. And I don't know if there data around that will support the numbers that a home team has a historical dominance. So it's really very big if competitions are going to be held on a certain county or city and you have to take that into consideration if you are going to bet on such matches.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

It is not just about celebrating the centenary of the World Cup that is making FIFA promote co-hosting of the competition. Some countries are not willing to host the competition individually because of the cost of hosting the competition. Hosting the World Cup has no financial benefits because the host usually spends more than what FIFA gives to them. It is only the rich Gulf nations that will be willing to singlehandedly host the World Cup.

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As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

In football playing at home has some effect on the outcome of the game because of the impact of fans. Fans are sometimes called the 12th player on a football team. Fan base sometimes affects the motivation of the player which can make them win games. The shouts, boos and intimidation can also make visitors to lose confidence.

However, this is not always the case. Qatar hosted the last World Cup but performed very poorly. The quality of the team is more important than fan support or playing at home.

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Yes, I think that the place where the match takes place is important both in itself and the influence of local spectators and, of course, the fans is important. This is not such a big influence, but it would be foolish to deny that it exists.
As for the choice of the countries listed in the article about the 2030 championship, it seems to me a very strange choice. All these countries are historically and culturally very strongly connected with Spain in one way or another. Why such a choice is unclear to me.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place?

Crowd support matters a lot in football, you have seen many top teams go long stretches without losing a game at home while dropping points relatively more easily away from home. In tournaments like the World Cup, the impact is reduced when there is just one host, but with multiple hosts, there will be a lot more color.

For the fans it may not be much fun as they will be traveling long distances or schedule the matches they can attend while only staying in one country.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on December 13, 2024, 07:53:32 AM

Home advantage, beyond that I dont see any thing more. The major betting happens from the leagues and not the world cup. Even though someone might have become rich by betting on the winning teams in the past, it hardly matters when and how the games are being held. What happens that day on the field will need your luck to back you up. Anything is possible.

So better to study the teams separately during the world cup and bet accordingly.

Same. I prefer betting on leagues because they have more active watchers, viewers, and speculators. When it comes to the World Cup, I take my time to study the participating countries if I want to bet. However, I'm more familiar with leagues than World Cups.

In my opinion, the location of the game is not a critical factor, whether it's a league or World Cup match. The presence of cheering fans and the playing field itself are not significant advantages or disadvantages, as players get to practice on the field before the actual game.

Natural factors like weather conditions, such as rain or sunshine, can affect gameplay, but experienced players are accustomed to these variables. Ultimately, what happens on the field during the game is what truly matters.

For these reasons, I tend to bet more on leagues than World Cups where I know the teams and their capacity more.

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Home advantage, beyond that I dont see any thing more. The major betting happens from the leagues and not the world cup. Even though someone might have become rich by betting on the winning teams in the past, it hardly matters when and how the games are being held. What happens that day on the field will need your luck to back you up. Anything is possible.

So better to study the teams separately during the world cup and bet accordingly.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

A team playing in their home has lots of advantages over other teams coming from a different country and these advantages are not just limited to the audience or crowd that will be available to cheer them up to maybe boost their confidence. Teams playing in their home are not subjected to unnecessary travel stress which may likely affect their performances. They have all the time for relaxation and all these has a lot of psychological effects on the players. I also believe that this new system of FIFA World cup will affect lots of teams either positively or negatively.

If i am to place bets during these events, i will put lots of these factors i stated above into consideration. Although, during world cups, I focus more on enjoying the game rather than trying to make money from them.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Yes, definitely, you need to take into considerations, where the match is going to take place, and that's what we call home court advantage. Just like in the Olympics, we've seen the hosting country, like France for example who goes to play the US in the gold medal race.

So it's very different performance if you play in front of your home country. There is this pride and heart into this player and they played very hard in front of their home crowd and sometimes they usually pull off a big upset.

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This is a big event, so I might not focus too much on studying the game. Instead, I’ll just bet on my favorite team.

I’ve had plenty of opportunities to bet on games, especially basketball, and I do it regularly. For this event, though, I’ll set aside being too technical and just watch and bet blindly on my favorite team to fully enjoy the moment. As to your question, of course the home team will feel more inspired to play, and that will make them better.

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Of course, there are some clubs that their performance can be affected playing away from home. There are also some that playing away wouldn't affect them. But we know that any team playing at home will have that advantage of the crowd and the field he is used to playing most times. The new world cup format will definitely affect many countries at a start but in the long run, they will get used to it. It's the same thing with the new UCL format that's affecting some clubs currently.

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I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

What I think about your question is that it is possible that the matches result might be affected because the home can favour than playing away. Now it is 6 countries that will host the cup and not just a country.

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"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Topic: Matches in different countries (Read 732 times)