Topic: Mathematical proof of god (Read 4962 times)

Consider the problem from a different perspective. Euler's identity, e^ipi+1=0, is as good a place as any to begin a search for a proof of god. Or the Riemann hypothesis. Or Euclid's Elements.

Archimedes, Gauss, Ramanujan, Hilbert, Erdős, Poincaré, etc.: they are the ones who perhaps have glimpsed something higher. Mathematical truth, conveyed in modern times in proof form, is complete and forever true and, some would suggest, divine.

Reasoning. I like reasoning. Reasoning says that there is an extremely great God. It says it in the facts that...
1. The universe is full of tremendously great complexity...
2. at the same time that there is entropy in everything...
3. which couldn't happen without randomness...
4. but we only see cause and effect (no randomness)...
5. yet the hearts of millions and billions of people recognize the spiritual reality of God.

Reasoning.

Not again with this again. There is no proof, there never has been any.
Stop making such threads until you actually have proof.
Reasoning.

Explain: ∞ * 0 = 0

and I thought 0 is NOT negative?

LMFAO! I thought I'd share with you all. Check out the top comment in this imgur thread! 

http://imgur.com/gallery/34v1kJ9

Yeah, choosing a computer/financial forum to preach about god is probably not the best audience you seek.
I wouldn't pick the off topic section of a electronic forum to discuss gardening.

Thank you for sharing your perspective bl4kjaguar, and I enjoyed the quote.

Forgiveness is the only way to peace.  It's something that must be felt with true intentions.

I share my beliefs and I speak as I can for you to understand.  My responses all relate to the picture I am trying to paint.  For you to see the picture, you must see the meaning.

It is indeed perspective, for from my end of the spectrum, those who mock and ridicule the beliefs I hold are the ones who dismiss the information presented with off topic replies.

One must stand in my shoes to see as I see.  Empathy is a lost art in a world that ignores unity and boasts judgement.  One must feel as others feel in order to understand what I portray - that which is unity.

Besides, the universe is so interdependent that nobody knows if there could be a partial universal set. It simply might not be able to exist.

The opposite of "nothing" is not "everything," but rather "not nothing."

Zero (0) implies "nothing;" -0 implies "everything," the whole universe and all the dimensions. 

When Kurt Gödel tells you what a set is, that is the verbal transmission of an axiom.

You really think that the truth value of the following can never be determined?

"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents."

On what grounds do you deny this self-evident nature of sets?

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this.  I have no idea how this relates to my post, and if there was sarcasm, I definitely missed it.

This was my old contribution from January, 2012.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1-1-is-this-cool-or-just-plain-nuts-61343

I made a little headway and graphed it, though I don't have access to it here

Several years with this thing and I'm still confused as to whether I'm onto something really cool or it's a hunk of garbage. 

This is not math, or axioms.


None of those statements are self evidently true, and I see no proof structure based on these quotes. These are not even quasi-statements, the truth value can never be determined.

Waiting for one of these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof

Quoting people is not an axiom.

UGG!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Higgs

Yes, but did you grok it?   

I really don't know why I read this whole thread.

I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical.

Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue.

Huh? The mathematical proof of God is the math that predicted the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe.

I don't see a single equation, axiom, definition, or proof in this quote or the website linked.


Newtonian physics is wrong, this quote has turned out to be wrong.


Most of his musings have turned out to be false with the passage of time and advancement in the physical sciences.

Here is one the OP should take to heart.

And again, this page has no math whatsoever. Quotes from a mathematician, who was wrong about a great many predictions, are not math.

Well generally what happens in a "dank thread" is he tells everyone his views, then if anyone disagrees with him, he replys with something completely unrelated or just simple dismisses and ignores it. That's why they always end up as "The Dank Show", purely for entertainment purposes.


I was actually just playing dank at his own silly games of just replying to a question with something completely unrelated. His favourite game.



God requires repentance and so must we. Dank shows none.
Suggest you educate yourself about dank.

Edit: In my life experience, handing out any unearned forgiveness too easily and others will just walk all over you. Others (including myself) should correct their wrongdoing with high priority order of precedence, or they are not genuine.

Was it?

It's a matter of your perspective and your participation.


Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.

Ever heard of the blind leading the blind?

I've never been under any illusions from day 1 that bitcoin will cure a sickened world. It's another tool that will be used for both good and bad.

If someone was murdered from the motivation of jealousy, how was that evil event related to finance?

I suck at Maths.

I think God is very anthropomorphic in the sense that he hates, gives, loves, destroys, creates and so on. I've heard countless arguments from solid believers that we cannot attribute his traits to the way in which we think because he survives on a higher plane. Yet, in the same breath he floods the world because he feels his creations have become bitter and twisted. K, seems very human-like to me.

Ponder it, if you dare.

Get on your feet; it's time to do some math!

Quotes from a brilliant mathematician, and related:

http://kevincarmody.com/math/goedel.html

No math  you fail as well.

If you want to crucify dank, fine.

Let he who is without blame hammer the first nail.

Who is ready to equate themselves with the Lord that only sees perfection? How will you ever balance such an equation when you do not practice forgiveness?

Dank rebels against your greed.

HOW CAN BITCOIN HEAL A SICKENED WORLD IF BITCOINERS DO NOT DIAGNOSE THE ILLNESS?

The root of all evil is the love of money.

HAHA

If your looking for an interesting educational discussion, choosing a "dank thread" was a poor choice.

This thread is boring!

Can we have some actual math discussion? I love how dank referred to some set builder notation as "jargon", and then spews nothing but.

Proofs from Aquinas before algebra existed don't count.

More math!

so dank, you don't need a soul to become enlightened?  Anyone can do as easily as they can experience egodeath?

Give this man a cookie! 

Nonsense here is the proof:

d4nk = gr33dy sc4mm3r

Here i have the mathematical proof:

88
8 x 8 = 64
(6 / 3) + (4 / 3) = 3.333 rounded to 3
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

 

Almost.  Am very close.

Username, you're just saying a bunch of logically deprived statements in a complicated manner to act like the universe is complicated and that what you say makes sense.

Embrace love dank, let go of your hate. The universe is increasing it's vibration frequency, due to your inner unbalance. Love.

So variables aren't allowed in math?  That's funny, I thought the point of math was to construe and convey logic, not just writing numerical equations they solely convey numbers for no meaning.

Only when he successfully scams money off people.

so dank, would you say that you consider yourself enlightened?

You are confused between mathematical logic and mathematical proof. You have been asked to provide proof and failed. Your initial statement is false. Sometimes you have to use your brain dank.

Vod and I often have lengthy egodeath sessions. We sometimes float about and even meet up sometimes in the upper dimensions. Never seen you there.
Obviously your an amateur and never experienced real egodeath. I wish you could join us but first you must empty your soul of all that greed, negatively and hate bubbling away under the surface that you pretend isn't there. Judging others by calling them shills just fuels your hate of the truth.
Find the strength dank. Find the strength. Love. Truth. Strength.

Are you talking about Sigmund Freud?  His model is a fraud.

us t is + and -.  Duality.  Yin and yang.  Ego and soul.

Out of the two of us, I'm the only one that has ever experienced egodeath.  You need a soul to experience egodeath.

So shut up until you get a soul and can experience it for yourself.    

Edit:  Debate that.

speaking of god, i find this movie hilarious in its depiction of atheists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA

Can your brain not calculate the common factor of these:

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Wow, the last three posts were shills.

Buffer, this is the part where you have to use both sides of your brain, not just your left ego mind.  Something has to click, as I have made the answer very obvious.

Vod, you're ridiculous.  You cannot stay in a state of egodeath for 7 hours, you would let go from the energy of the experience.  That's like taking.  Gram of acid, 10'000 hits.  It doesn't kill you, you just let go.

Egodeath normally lasts for a matter of seconds.  It is a rare experience in the world, yet everyone deserves to experience it.  It is the most beautiful state of existence in the entire universes.  It is the source.  Your soul, that's all you have when you lose ego.

Mathematical logic isn't the same as mathematical proof. And I'm not saying I would take the time to examine mathematical proof if I saw it. But I don't even see it. It may be implied, but at least, show us the math clearly. Certain logic is there in your statements. But how is it mathematical? And how is it proof? Spell it out.

Confirmed no proof. Scam attention seeking thread.

First of all, that's nothing like the experience of egodeath.  It feels like a sneeze when you're thinking about your favourite gal, only 42 times better.

Second, you don't need to believe in a false god to experience egodeath - in fact such negative thoughts hinder your ability. All you need is a soul to keep your body alive as your ego dies, and a full stomach.

Finally, I do experience egodeath when I'm in the mood.  I experienced it last night from 11am to around 6am this morning.  Then I laid in bed for another couple hours thinking about what I had experienced.  Might do it again tonight if I'm alone.

dank, I strongly urge you to pay your debt, get your soul back, and experience egodeath for yourself.  It's neat.  

I would love to provide this proof by taking a photo of my drawing of this one, not found the upload pic from pc button

I cannot answer the question for you, you must see it yourself.

Saying "god does not exist" is equivalent to "god is nothing"

And what is nothing?

So where's this claimed proof then?

If you do not see that non existence is non existent from the post, then I can help you no further.  Only you can find understanding.

Where is the mathematical proof, dank? The ideas may be close to accurate, but the topic has to do with mathematical proof, right? If this is math, it is a very abstract form of math.

Still dont see any math...

You got A's in Algebra 2, so that means you have little experience beyond basic arithmetic.
The rest of us probably have 5-6+ years of real math and I wasn't even a math major.

This is no different that someone who claims to speak another language and just makes up the syntax as grammar as they go..

Look I speak Spanish!

?wfopjg  pibjFDPIBPIGJL ;BKJBDSLKVBAFS?

No they don't, Dank, you keep on asserting things as fact that are nothing but delusional rambling painted as meaningful insight.

No, you are misrepresenting the values in your statements in order to make them sound deep and meaningful when they are, in fact, gibberish.


*sigh*

Dude, would it *ever* occur to you that a multitude of others have been exactly where you are and that it ends up one of two ways, you either come out the other side of your mental illness realising just how 'out there' you were and recognising that you spent a lot of time talking utter shite and believing much of the crap you spoke was truly some epic 'insight', or you don't come out the other side of the mental illness at all and you live in a near-perpetual state of delusion and lunacy until something eventually breaks.

Still, I guess feigning insanity is also a good way to avoid facing up to your responsibilities.

wait wht the fuk didi just read?

Why did you click on a thread called mathematical proof of god if you aren't open to finding proof?

Your disconnection from the post presented stems from your own perception.  Calling something twaddle is much more meaningless than setting parameters for a logical equation.

Sometimes the deepest things are the simplest.  What you see as jumbled nonsense is really your fear and doubt labeling it as so in an attempt to cling onto your ego, your past perception. The statements covey logic perfectly as each variable is an attribution to ego, all derivatives of negativity.

A lot of people do not realize that nothing is nothing, hence those who believe in nonexistence, so it must be said in a way that people understand.

Infinity is the only possible variable for everything.  Thinking the universe is contained to our bubble is quite egocentric.

0 represents nothing in the equation.  I think you're disputing just to dispute.

And the remainder of your post is your ego clinging to it's past perception by judging and attacking the new ideology presented.

Why did you seek mathematical proof of god if you were not open to changing your view on the universe?l

Says you. So these assertions are meaningless twaddle meant to sound like they are all mystical and deep.

Jumbled nonsense intended to sound meaningful to impressionable idiots.

Light is light, dark is dark, repeat is repeat.
Wow, useful Dank.

Really, you got anything to back that up?

No. Nothing is the absence of any 'thing'. 0 is zero, a metaphysical numerical concept.


Multiply any form of logic by green, no, red, no wait, yellow, yeah that'll do, multiply any form of logic by yellow and what do you get?!!!!1!!11!

Bullshit, Dank, that's what you get. You are talking utter garbage and trying to pass it off as meaningful substance. Guess what, you are a mix of delusional mental illness and narcissistic pomposity.

Try swallowing this red pill, "You are not special".

cause god can't cure the floaters in my eyes.  that's why they're bothering me nonstop.

What is math but a different language of philosophy?

Experiencing egodeath is not something you plan out or do when you're in the mood.

It's the most divine experience the universe has to offer.  How can one become everything, all frequencies together, infinite white light and love, and not believe in god?

Well, there is no philosophy in mathematical proof.  Why did you make this thread?

I think I'm going to experience egodeath again tonight... the mood seems right.

Goodnight all!  

I'm just going by the mathematical proof that you provided.  god is irrelevant in the universe.

So I assert god is everything, as the universe is the totality of existence, and you try to remove the universe from the equation?

How can you acknowledge infinity then deduce x from infinity?  It is contained within infinity.

This is jargon.

Of course not.  x is god.  The universe is the same with or without x.  It is not necessary.

Did you just try to prove the non existence of x by using x in the equation?

According to the guy who got an A in "math", the universe isn't that complicated.  The universe is simply ∞.

And as dank and I proved, the universe is the same with or without god.  i.e. god is nothing.

It's a dank thread - he makes them when he gets high.    They never make any logical sense.

His home forum - the shroomery - kicked him out, so now he posts here.

What is the point of this thread?

x = god
∞ = universe

We just agreed that the universe is the universe without god.

x * ∞ = ∞

No god involved!

I can only show you the door - you need to step through it.  Take a chance.

No I didn't.

x * ∞ = ∞

=

x * ∞ = x∞

X isn't separate from infinity.  Just as life isn't.  We just add variables to create the beautiful reality of 3D space time.

Username, your posts are void of meaning from my eyes.  They do not pertain to the logic presented.

The universe is not that complicated.  It may look like it, but that's the part that makes it grand.  Life wouldn't be an adventure otherwise.

You just proved god doesn't exist.   

I got A's in math until algebra 2.

After that my solution to the problem became to not solve the problem.  Why create problems for yourself?

Glad we can agree that god exists, vod.

No problem.  I understand your math skills are limited.   

Actually, it doesn't at all.  x exists infinitely.  You can add any variable to infinity and it still exists infinitely.

The equation is the same, you just simplified it.  Thanks.

FAIL.

x * ∞ = ∞

Blows your entire "proof of god" out the window.  

Are words not a form of logic just as numbers?

x * 0 = 0

x * ∞ = ∞x

So, you hold self awareness, correct?  Are you nothing?  Or are you everything?

The answer is not in the math equation.  The answer is in the answer.  Do you see?

I can only open the door, you must step through yourself.

Waiting for the math???

No sir just an open mind and a watchful eye.  The universe is only as complicated as the depth you look into space.  You'll never find what you're looking for if you think it exists in the infinite matter around you.  That's a needle in a haystack.

Realize that all the matter around you is you and you'll stumble across the answer.

The answer was there all along.  We just strayed from it.  Everything just is.  Nothing is not, it all just is.  You know this because you experience it, you feel it.


If that's not the proof, what are you?

∞

Flying spaghetti monster does exist, the universe is infinite.  That's what I find humorous about the ideology.  It doesn't mean FSM is the supreme god and ruler of all.  God is more universal, we humans tend to personify things in order to better understand it.

There's no one personified/materialized god.  There's just light.  All gods exist, all equal, all are infinite.  But no matter where you look in the cosmos, the energy of infinite pure white light and love condensed into a singular point is supreme to all lower dimensional frequencies which resonate below it.

Think about it, I was atheist growing up, not raised with religion or spirituality.  I grew up believing in nothing and fell into a deep depression from a lack of purpose and understanding in life.  I smoked weed after weeks of research that only pointed towards it's benefits as a safe medicine.  I then tripped acid after learning it's one of the most nontoxic chemicals known to man.

I went to the beach with some friends, was buried in the sand with the sun blasting through my eyelids. I felt the energy of the universe, relaxed, and let go.

I became the white light.  That experience is what allowed me to decide to dedicate my life towards helping others find this experience their self, as it is the most beautiful thing one can feel.  I decided to play guitar and followed my dream from thereon.  And I only believe more as time goes by, the light only grows.

Think about how crazy I am perceived to be, then consider if it's possible a singular point of infinite love is more powerful than facing the judgement of the world, friends and family included.

Which makes more sense?  Crazy, random, delusion, or purpose, understanding and peace.

Which is the logical viewpoint?

Feel free to reference the first post.

Right.  So where did the extra dollar go.  Who has it?

That's no proof, better use the spaghetti metaphor next time.

Diploma in mathematics, I suppose?

OMG dank you are right! You just proved god exists! 

Three men go into a motel. The desk clerk said the room was $30, so each man paid $10 and went to the room. A while later, the desk clerk realized the room was only $25, so he sent the bellboy to the three guys' room with $5. On the way, the bellboy couldn't figure out how to split $5 evenly between three men, so he gave each man $1 and kept the other $2 for himself.

This meant that the 3 men each paid $9 for the room, which is a total of $27. Add to that the $2 the bellboy kept and the total is $29. Where is the other dollar?

GOD HAS IT! It finally makes sense! 

He's so high he can't even follow a conversation right now.   

Posted my address publicly so people could send me acid to help in my journey of bringing world peace.

Shame on you Vod. You really should give dank better credit. He's probably the best troll I've ever seen. My guess is he was making scientific sense there. 

Makes me wonder what he did to get kicked off the shroomery forums.

This nonsense would fit in perfect over there.

Creation is a primitive concept based on our human perceptions of decay.  We feel everything must be created as we physically grow from cyclic exchanges of energy, life and death, but is not the case.

Existence always has and always existed.

We don't create existence, we channel existence.

God just is.

I knew this thread was coming any minute now.  

Suppose for a moment we assume a 'god' exists.

Who / What created that 'god' ?

A circular arguement.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle certainly is enough evidence for me there is no one at the control panel since it would be impossible.

The experiments completed by Bell and others prove that you will never understand the universe in terms of classical physics.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9205811

God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?