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Hey Bitkilo, thanks for your attention here.

GreenBits has already publicaly stated that he does not want his name used on forum.bitcoin.com here,


I have been in pm with GreenBits, who has asked me to act for him.
He said "To be clear, act in the portfolios of harm mitigation"
He is now unobtainable for a short while.

I think it is clear that dawnasor should change his "GreenBits" name on forum.bitcoin.com.
Please keep me posted. Feel free to ask me any questions.

Hi guys, I am aware of the situation and am following this thread now.
If the "real" GreenBits is concerned another user claiming this name at forum.bitcoin.com then please state this publicly here, once posted i will ask the member in question claiming to be GreenBits to pick a new username, you will then be free to sign up at forum.bitcoin.com using this username (GreenBits).
From you earlier posts in this thread it sounds like you don't want another user claiming to be GreenBits and i can understand that.

I am not here as much as i used to be so if you need me just send a PM or find me on forum.bitcoin.com

Regards: BTCitkilo

Thank you, and no worries, i am a bit blunt!  
Listen GreenBits, we need to wrap this up, but i am still struggling to clearly see what i want to know. (i probably did not say it too clearly yet)

Are you going to try to stop dawnasor using "GreenBits" on forum.bitcoin.com, or will you allow me to act for you there in this matter?
Or it is ok with you that dawnasor carries on using greenbits, and i should butt out?

You were worried about the damage to your rep here. That is why you claimed back your account. (and paid)
Why are you letting the same guy ruin your name there?

He is likely trying to scam a member on that forum as i type.
https://forum.bitcoin.com/topic17787.html (my explanation is also there)

Bitkilo (mod on forum.bitcoin.com) said "I just wanted to make members her(e) aware that there is already talk on that forum that many imposters are setting up business here using trusted names from bitcointalk.org. This forum looks great and i want to see it sucseed without all the scams and trolls found on the old forum."
https://forum.bitcoin.com/marketplace/signed-message-verification-t440.html?hilit=bitcointalk%20accounts

Then when "greenBits" was shown to be dodgy, saying he was you then having to admit he was not, nothing happened.
https://forum.bitcoin.com/post45709.html?hilit=bitcointalk%20accounts#p45709
What a joke.

My bad bro,  I will admit I did respond with a healthy dose of asshurt. I read your posting history, and I give you a 21 gun salute  for your contributions to the community. My sincere apologies.

Sorry for the delayed response GreenBits.
(i have been quite busy today - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17905355 )

I'll try to be clear this time.
I'm not after you - i'm after dawnasor!  (i don't like farmed accounts very much)
Where you say dawnasor is not a scammer, but is a hacker, i disagree. But that is a side issue here now.

My questions are not to connect you, they are to help me show dawnasor to be deceiving.

rizz - "will you want dawnasor to stop using GreenBits else where?"
GreenBits - "And of course, again see the above."

I wanted to check that you are bothered, before i post again on forum.bitcoin.com. No point me making a fuss there if you said you did not mind.
Fremont the mod there seems to think myself and "GreenBits" (dawnasor) have equal standing. I do not agree. I intend to respond, when i know the facts! (which i think i do now?)

rizz - "can you confirm you did not know GreenBits was being used by dawnasor until after he posted that you were informed. (i don't think you saw the pm till after 11.11pm forum time?)"
GreenBits - "No, I didn't see it until I came on here to yell at you, whatever time that was"

Yes, the next day i believe.
I wanted that confirmed because when "GreenBits" (dawnasor) responded to me (on forum.bitcoin.com, see previous link) he made it look like all was agreed (and ok) between you that he was still using your name there. It clearly was not.

I hope you see where i am coming from now.

(greenbits "I understand you didn't mean to provoke me". sorry, i did mean to provoke you into being pissed off with dawnasor - my bad)

Yes, see above.
No, I didn't see it until I came on here to yell at you, whatever time that was
And of course, again see the above.

I would like you to speak plainly however, justify your suspicions. What are you getting at? What are you trying to accuse me of? I don't understand how these questions establish me as the owner of the account. Please explain to me and the community your logic for "smelling fish", since you have made a clear accusation of impropriety.

Hey no worries.
Would be great if you could answer my questions,
- are you bothered by dawnasor using GreenBits on bitcoin.com.
- can you confirm you did not know GreenBits was being used by dawnasor until after he posted that you were informed. (i don't think you saw the pm till after 11.11pm forum time?)
- will you want dawnasor to stop using GreenBits else where?

My bad for reacting so poorly, I guess I should be happy the community is responding with suspicion. I encourage everyone to perform as much diligent research as possible. Quite honestly, I would expect the scrutiny, I'm the one with a hacked account. I understand you didn't mean to provoke me, and I apologize for being hot headed.

Hey, sorry if i pissed you off, not really my intention.
I  really just wanted you to know that after "saving" your reputation here, it was being trashed elsewhere. (by dawnasor)
I thought that if you are genuine, you would want to know.
I was given the impression that you did know by dawnasor.

I posted yesterday on forum.bitcoin.com about this at 6.59pm.
dawnasow pm'ed you here at 11.02pm
Then "GreenBits" (dawnasor) replied at to my post (on bitcoin.com) at 11.11pm. "I inform him that I use his name here"
https://forum.bitcoin.com/post47960.html#p47960

That is what i was finding most strange. But it is clear now that you did not previously know about this. (he pm'ed you only 9 minutes earlier)
Does this bother you? (i thought it might)

If you tell forum.bitcoin.com that you don't want your name being used, they will do something about it. (according to my understanding)
Or just say here, it will get back to them!

(btw just fyi i identified dawnasor as a farmed account. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17870260 )

And finally, please see my LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/leonardaj/

Now, any new objections?

And no, I wasn't aware. And you saying it out loud apparently prompted dawnosaur to send me a PM concerning the fact. One moment while I show it to you..

here: http://imgur.com/a/rja0F

now, what else do you have to contribute?

I apologize for a poor reaction, but getting a bit tired of defending this, esp from a fellow Hero level member. I could tolerate this from the youngins. You, are too damned old for this.

We have been over this Dammit. My account is GreenBits, the one im using atm, not shayshay. My name is Leonard Jackson. Remember Leonard J at CEX? If you notice, Shay's account has a whole 20 posts or so. I'm sorry for using the person I sleep with's account to recover my own. Do I need to hold up a sign on my goddamned LinkedIn/Facebook? Would you like to come wish me a happy belated birthday?

Edit: maybe you could like, read my posting history? And tell me I'm not the goddamned owner of this account? I'm waiting.

In fact, you want to put some BTC down on it? Put your money where your mouth is.

And FYI, the comment was made to edify Loyce's inquiry. It's pretty damned obvious I have control of Shay's account, I was instructing him to add it to my "known alts" for the sake of transparency.

As other members have said, this whole thread has been suspicious.

You said,
"Well, I used to be the lead support at CEX. This is evident through the posting history. Not only will I be able to answer any query related to my expertise, but I am quite knowledgeable in the protocol and most likely will be able to demonstrate an advanced knowledge."

Now you say it is your misses account.

Do you know or care that "GreenBits" (dawnasor) is posting on forum.bitcoin.com?

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Yes, highly dodgy.

"For clarification I inform him that I use his name here" says dawnasaw "GreenBits" on forum.bitcoin.com.
And the "real" GreenBits" is ok with that?   

Sorry for the delay, was basking in the warm glow of my old account. I can confirm, and while this is my misses' account, she never uses it, might as well call it mine.

Thanks again everyone who assisted/attended to this matter 

Can shayshaylaboogie confirm this too? I'm asking because of my post in [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone .

Hello this is dawnasor I confirm that I received the payment.Thank you for all.

Green here, I can confirm that I have control of my account back. Thanks to everyone in the community that assisted me with this matter, I appreciate you guys 

If the previous account occupant can confirm payment of the .015, we can wrap this up 

Nice. So I've decided to delete the -negative trust I gave to Greenbits account as this issue has been resolved already.

Regards.

Excellent. I would ask the members that have made reputation marks concerning this matter to withdraw them. Please note our arrangement, and return them should the contract be violated (I would ask that you neg rep me as well if I should fail to honor the contract myself).
GreenBits, I have removed my negative reputation. Note your renewed trust. Thank you for your assistance in this matter, and should we resolve this, I will vouch for your other account, and give you a positive reputation.

I confirm that we have an agreement via pm and we agree on that terms.

Alright, we have had a civil discussion, and made an arrangement. The account will be returned no later than Friday of next week, and upon return of this account, I have agreed to pay .015 btc as a show of solidarity. I legitimately believe he was deceived.

So, if GreenBits will affirm this, may the forum note this contract. I will remove the negative reputation, but reserve the right to add it back if the contract is violated.

Please check your inbox dude.I've sent you a private message and we can discuss how you get this account back.

Yes that my another account .Please dont neg trust that account.

I have to ask man, this didn't set off any warning bells for you? There is a giant "proceed with caution" on like every screenshot.

Can you make that into a gallery, dawnasor?

Screenshot archive, showing name: [Archive]
Post archive, showing link [Archive]

dawnasor profile archive: https://archive.is/9IvO9
Greenbits profile archive: https://archive.is/pE93U
Shows the similarity in "don't have" items

http://m.imgur.com/I1lHNeX,gQst6gq,SyEV62h,0FiDIma,z4GGQ8d,ELV27Bg,BLLuWB3

Thats our conversation with Mr3 and my another account.We can discuss now how we can proceed to this.

I'm pretty sporadic, I'm only really here when I'm speculating (check my posts) or to shit on scamcoins (i got tired of screaming into the wind). I post to make sig funds here. I literally came here because I noticed I had expired on the yobit sig camp ( due to why else, inactivity). When I attempted to login, I couldnt. When I attempted to pr reset, I still couldnt. And now we are here

okay my move too please wait I will log in my other account to show somw screenshot.

Thanks for letting us know but as you posted in November last time from that account,what took you so long to know that this account has been hacked?
Haven't you tried to log in ti it since then?

your move. I have every email the forum has ever sent me.

edit: take that back, not ll of them, but enough dammit. i forget how old my account was

more?

Holy fuck, learn how to edit and/or insert multiple quotes. 2 posts in a row is not okay, let alone a whopping five! Really milkin' that campaign, aren't you?

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Why wait? Just show the proof of purchase right away. It shouldn't matter whether shayshaylaboogie is the original owner or not -- the information was requested, and it should be given. Unless you're okay with being suspected of hacking the account?

I have that messages lets wait op show some valid proof.And im think Mr3 deleted his all post.I will contact sir Dabs if he delete his post in Philippines section.

Well let's wait until shayshaylaboogie give a valid proof that he is the original owner of that account, its already a hero member and still don't have a signed message from him smells suspicious.

And Greenbits(as the current owner) make sure you have the screenshots of your convo with Mr3 as a proof and I guess Mr3 was nuked by mods that's why he have 0 posts or he actually delete all those posts.

Im agree if you show me some proof in your email that have messages with bitcointalk.

And to those users leave me a negative feedback that they believe this guy is the real owner.You see some proof that he is the real owner? Because I dont believe for now that he is the real owner  without showing some valid proof.

You do not understand please read back because Mr3 deleted his all posted but I have some proof that he selling this account  on me and im asking Mr3 if have a staked address but he said nope.After I researching this account if have a staked address but dont have and im comfort this is a clean account.

And Please show your proof that you own this account.Im not  satisfied that the last post this account happen in November is your proof on that.

I have that private message with my another account.Inquiring to payment I have this pm if you want I can show some proof of that via screenshot.

I assumed, you have an opinion about American politics (you felt the need to mention that I mentioned Trump). Usually people outside our borders don't care about our politics (with the current situation notwithstanding, it's been a shitshow). So I apologize if I assumed incorrectly. Assuming makes the proverbial ass of you and me.

But I will state I think you aren't being genuine, or you are one of the rare birds outside of Russia and the USA that support #45.

Its no matter. May smell fishy, but you will truly see how marine it gets if you trade with this account and get fucked. Good luck people, I'm done with this. Fake GreenBits, you can shoot me the PM's, or the neg rep can stay up, I'm beyond this.

Have a blessed day people, and Keep it Classy.

Speak for yourself . Im not from America nor have I said anything to suggest I was .

Still smells fishy

Yeah, until you get it back, it's his. If I steal your woman, for example, with my charm and ample dick, if she never comes back to you, she's mine. Even if you are married. Be she a car, a female, or my goddamned account. That's kinda how reality works friend. I apologize. It makes me upset sometimes too.

Also, man you are a salty bastard. You need some easy D.

#makeyougreatagain
#makepoliticsmakesenseagain

Edit: it just occurred to me we live in America. Didn't we like, take this whole shit from the dudes that are already here? You might even say stole it. But yet, it belongs to you and I (and Trump). You starting to understand what I was trying to communicate now?

" If those txids he showed are legitimate and he did indeed pay for this (despite how suspect that sounds), it is indeed his property. But it belongs to me. And I try to be Christian, but it's really fucking hard sometimes "

How the FUCK is it his property ? ?

I have a car . Its stolen by someone who sells it to someone else without telling him its stolen .

Does that mean its his car ? Is this indeed his property ?

Get over yourself . I dont know if you are up to something or just a fucking loon .

Either way its still fishy . And dont reply with any politics shit as we dont really care .

I've heard they aren't to motivated to complete this process, and Theymos really insist you be able to sign a message.

And yes, the IP should be firmly rooted in the US, NC to be exact, cuz I live there  

And, while I agree you should never buy an account on a forum (it's an avatar, the fun is in actually building it), I don't know this guy's situation (the buyer). Could be a kid. Or could be a guy, with kids. This stream might feed said kids. Or hookers and blow. I dont know any of that. But I do know I was injured by theft, it would be rude to pass that along if it isn't necessary. Besides, stolen property is still property. If those txids he showed are legitimate and he did indeed pay for this (despite how suspect that sounds), it is indeed his property. But it belongs to me. And I try to be Christian, but it's really fucking hard sometimes 

Well, one thing is for sure, the guy who is using the account right now is not the original owner, since  he "GreenBits" already confirmed he bought the account, from a user with 0 posts which is either true, which means he'll probably end up getting red trust for using bought accounts which is highly frowned upon by a lot of DT users, or, false, which means he hacked the account himself, which would also lead to him getting red trust since that is against the forum rules.


I guess any admin could do a simple Ipcheck to see if you're the original owner of the account?

You have it. Except the being Republican part. I look more like a Democrat on paper, but I believe in small government and minimal regulation. With that being said, I am anti abortion but pro choice (they aren't  mutually exclusive as people seem to think). This is why I don't affiliate, Im a person, not a damned primary color (red/blue) or a damned animal (donkey/elephant). I am a man.

But yeah, Im not going to able to sign an address, although I could prove this with multiple other means. It should be kinda obvious at this point I'm being authentic.

I can't really prove anything except the fact I can't get into my account. So, for me, the reality was that the account was gone when I couldn't get in. So, I neg repped it so noone could get fucked. Now that we all know this isn't me, I could give a single fuck what happens on this account.

Wait let me TLDR all your posts.
 -> Someone hacked your account
 -> then sold it to some guy who did not receive any signed messages ( which indicates that the seller of the account did infact hacked it and it wasn't his own)
 -> Buyer should've known that it was a hacked account
 -> You discover it but you are okay with him keeping your account because he "bought" it from a guy with 0 messages, and he needs it as his main source of income?

 -> ( )?

What? that's so weird. That PH guy should've not bought the account in the first place without a signed message since that's a pretty good indicator that it is a hacked account.

You're not the wrongdoer, even if your security wasn't optimal, the hacker and the guy who bought it are still wrong, and are breaking the forum rules.

LOL, you actually sound partisan. Don't be sensitive about #45. We ate everyone calling Obama a nigger and a monkey, its just words. Not truly a deal as actions define a man. However you voted, we cannot disagree that this adminstration is a bit unorthodox, looking from either side of the aisle.

But back to the matter at hand, if you don't get it by now, trade with this account at your own risk.

And never forget:

#makebitcoingreatagain

I'm a bit of a troll, and I don't believe in all that party affiliation shit. On some issues I side with the Demoncraps, sometimes I side with the Repubtards LOL. I'm not so shallow that one parties platform can define my perspective. But, I don't agree with the state of affairs since #45 took office. Things have changed. And the whole world has noticed. We will see if these changes are for our collective good as time goes on.

So, instead of dismissing a dissenting voice, engage it. The greatest thing I have learned in my limited time alive is that two truths can exist, that seemingly are opposite ends of a continuum. They aren't a continuum, it's a failing of our limited, human perspective.

Still smells fishy . The guy might have bought your account but it wasnt for sale and wasnt ALLOWED to be for sale so regardless this guy hasnt a claim on your account .

BUT if Trump annoys you so much and blah blah blah then sure just let him have your account .

I smell fish eitherway .

I live in America man. 60 dollars is not worth my reputation. And I'm offering a concession because I'm trying to be diplomatic. Let me be Frank then, fuck it, Trump is in office. I notice that some of our nonspeaking friends do Sig campaigns to make income to live off of. I am not blind to my privilege, even though I am an African American . if he legitimately purchases this account, who am  I to punish him? Seems like it my fault, I was the NE with lax account security. Had my security been adequate, we would not be having this conversation  

Now can you please elaborate as to why you smell fish? I feel like y'all aren't hearing me. I am being genuine, and I am being very accommodating. I'm 30 man, you get a little older and your perspective changes. God knows Trump us making us look shitty on a world stage, I'll be damned if I continue the meme by being an asshole. I love y'all, even though I am not fond of you guys at times.


You can call it fishy, not listen, and get burned. Notice I am not asking for my account back. I've been hacked before, for over 8 btc, so this isn't my first time haven't an account compromised. But, it has been a while. I did learn from my mistakes.

Also, I am me. This is a collection of post, and a avatar of my character. Could give a single fuck about the posts, it's words, I have plenty of those, but I will be goddamned if someone uses my name to harm someone. If you don't understand this, you don't know me/haven't read my post. That doesn't diminish me, so that's fine   

Now, do I need to have darkstar vouch for me? He is old here, and I think his input will be trusted. Few others I can reach out to that have valid accounts here. I worked for CEX, I worked for BitMining. If you have done bitcoin in the last few years, I have most likely talked to you. Suffice it to say I care very much about bitcoin. And people.

shayshay WHY would you walk away from this account ?? Doesnt make sense . ALSO if you are earning from it then you should want it back .

Smells fishy .

Well dammit. I figured this would be unnecessarily complicated.

*Sigh*

I will make a gesture then.

If you can prove ( do you still have those pms?) you brought this on good faith, and publically state that this account is no longer possessed by me, I will UN neg trust you. I'm not trying to punish you. I don't know what your financial situation is like, this may be an income stream for you, and I would be remiss to deny you that. But I simply cannot have you perform actions as me. I don't have to explain to you why.

Now, if you allow me to leave a trust positive trust explaining the transition of ownership, I can make peace with this. This account is dead to me now that it has been compromised, so leaving this burned neither hinders nor helps me (a pretty considerable posting history loss, but you live and learn). "GreenBits", are you OK with this arrangement?

And for the record, I am not " Mr3". I still control the Gmail account that was associated (and created) with the GreenBits account. It's lj*********[email protected]. I also still control my LinkedIn profile, which I have linked to at some point in the past (when I offered my services as an assistant a few months ago). Small thing for me to add a resume line to prove I have access.

After I bought this account we are not chatting anymore.Im trusted him because he is Filipino too.

And im wondering why Mr3 deleted his all post and after a week that he delete his post they'res someone claiming this account now.

How long you were messaging him via the GreenBits account before you took possession of the account?

I dont have because he said this is a clean account and he log in to this account when we are dealing.

Did you get any kind of signed message or other proof/evidence of ownership of the account you were buying?

Hello im here to depend my self to this accusation.Even im lack of English language. I hope you understand my English...And lets bl4nkcode join this discussion because he is Filipino like me.

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Where I get this account?

Im bought this account by Mr3.I want to post the thread where he posted that he selling and account for affordable price but he deleted his all post on.But I got something that the proof that he selling a account here.Im lucky that someone quoted his post.And im think this person that claiming this account and Mr3 is the same person because what is the purpose why Mr3 deleted his all post.

This is the txid that we deal via pm:
https://blockchain.info/tx/606b85899bf845d739f90ba1d4fdd08ae7109a52016373da85e86c4dc4326e3d
https://blockchain.info/tx/d66d167f11cf76a7e07e9233bb041d3440be1576fa75032c28236011e229a718

I can show my proof that I deal with Mr3 via pm .I can return this account if he have a solid proof that he is the real owner and please pay me for the selling amount when this account is for sale on that day to return my investment to this account.


Please help me too

Greenbits joined my giveaway here. I did notice the switch from English to bad English, but it's not enough to reject him.

As far as I can see GreenBits has no addy posted anywhere, or maybe the current account holder has deleted it. In that case it might be in someone's quote.
If you have any evidence I'll happily remove this person from my giveaway.

Honestly, I don't think guy is a scammer (he is a goddamned hacker, however), from reading "my posts". I see he joined a decent sig campaign and is enjoying the benefits of having a hero level account (the Sig campaign bread is very nice bread indeed). But I can't have someone running around pretending to be me, ESP with lending and escrow (I see he is active there). I'm not a dick. He may have purchased my account from a third party. Honestly, it doesn't matter. THIS IS NOT Me. Now, if the gentleman would elaborate on how he got access to my account, doing so in this public forum, I would appreciate that. I am a very reasonable human. I would like to hear his actual motivations.

So let's wait until a DT members post here and tag him as what? (actually I also don't know) A hacker? A scammer?  or what.

Anyways already gave him negative trust regarding this scam accusation.

Also, because I believe in logic and reason, please explain to me why motive I would have to publically burn an account that I am claiming is mine? The reputation is ruined even if we get this sorted out (I neg repped myself to make sure noone blunders into a bad situation). I cannot profit financially from this; I am rendering myslef harm by immediately exposing this rather than attempting to sort this out the long way. I cannot risk the  time; I would actually feel responsible if someone was burned after I was aware of this. Now that I have warned the community, you can heed me if you want. But I have fulfilled the most important part of my obligation, which is harm mitigation. I will continue to rectify this, but I cannot reimburse bullshittery incured by my old account after this point, as I have taken all the available actions I can at this time to prevent said bullshit.

So, with that being said, proceed with caution. I will be available to answer any questions that might assist with this.

Well, I used to be the lead support at CEX. This is evident through the posting history. Not only will I be able to answer any query related to my expertise, but I am quite knowledgeable in the protocol and most likely will be able to demonstrate an advanced knowledge. Also, I can get D4RKSTAR to vouch for me, he knows me in real life. May have some issues signing an Addy, I don't even know what address was used, and I practice proper address hygiene now. Account was quite old, I've been around since ASICMINER.


Really, just read the posts. This is what I write like. It's distinctive, and I challenge "GreenBits" to simply respond. I don't speak Filipino, and I never have.

But seriously, even if you don't believe me, heed me. Til we get this sorted out, just be careful. If you look at my real posting history, I care about you knuckleheads, ESP the sheep, and I don't want anyone harmed further by my inaction. This is my fault, I am responsible for my account security, but I'll be damned if I allow someone to be harmed. Lord knows the time I have spent here trying to prevent just that.

So, let's discuss any topic in the sphere. I have lived off of bitcoin, I have breathed it and swam within it. Hell, if you have a CEX account, and you dealt with Leonard J, then I've spoken to you. Please feel free to vet me any way you wish. I am a strong proponent of non anomitity on the interwebs (read my posting history).

And I mean, it's me. You can't fake this shit. Too legit 

i recently saw that user post on Philippines thread and i thought he was a real filipino.  I suggest to OP to provide a sign message for the wallet address of that account so that we can verify if his claim is true. there is also some hole on OP statement regarding the change in grammar of the account.

Try to follow this format to make a scam accusation to someone https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2774678, if you are the owner of this account as a hero member I bet you already know how to post a scam accusation.
And besides this user message me to do an escrow a trade as I have a escrow service in our local(PH).

Screenshot:

It's in Tagalog language

And therefore the one who take your account is a Filipino(if it's yours).

EDIT: And he made already some success trades/transaction to anyone as you can see in his trust page it happens after November 15, 2016 as you said that your last post(as the real owner) here

ISSUE RESOLVED - REGAINED CONTROL OF ACCOUNT

I just found out about 30 minutes ago that my Hero level account has been compromised. Please do not do business with this person, it it not me!! This is the last post made by the actual owner of this account:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16878532

All post after that display a lack of:
Good English
Good advice

Again, DO NOT trade with this account. Also, be wary of the users that have added to my reputation score, only the older ones are valid and the ones that have been added since the account was compromised may be shills, and suspect by association.