Topic: MavenBets.com - New Crypto Casino - Looking for Partners & Investors (Read 18942 times)

Well, it was expected for them to be like this, there are people who are professional and try to do whatever is the right call on every stressed opportunity, just like the call operator on some comcast type work where customer is screaming and cursing and telling stuff that would normally a fight reason but the call operator responds calmly because that is what professionalism requires. And there are people like mavenbets, they started out on 12th of November, just couple months ago and on 13th November they responded someone with "if you don't like it don't play no need to shittalk", and now they just made a huge problem with this scam deal and what not. It was really expected for this website to be going to waste from the first day, in the first 24 hours it was already obvious they will not become a big website.

Since, this scam thing happen they are not even active here so we can assume this is yet another dead casino.

Thanks for the confirmation, now we all know that there is one valid scam accusation and expect that because of what they do, this business will never succeed, it will be part of the failed scammers in the gambling world. Good luck on your next journey OP, I hope you will be able to find a good one.

If they are serious about running thier business, this message will have a weight for them, starting and running a business needs trust coming from both visitors and players, if they failed to gained this then the business will be ruined, they need to their best covering and resolving this issue.

Good for you not to closing your door with OP, giving them chances will allow them to settled this concern. Good luck

The best way to deal with loss or fraud is to give it up, but I don't know the truth that happened.

But the intention of a deceitful person won't stop at redtrust or badtrust only, they can create a new account or a new gambling place for other frauds.

So, I only suggest when you are sincere not to ramble about the fraud that you experience is to improve yourself so as not to repeat the same mistakes, as well as other people especially those who are new to online gambling who use cryptocurrency, so as in the future gambling place who use cryptocurrency can develop and grow without a fraud.

I no longer expect a response on the scam accusation topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mavenbets-doesnt-process-my-withdraw-since-december-beware-5102670

But I want to leave the door open for a change. You know how much money you can make running a successful gamblingsite? I gave you bad trust and reported your site on https://www.badbitcoin.org, but I don't think that at all needs to mean the end of your business.

If you at any time make the decision to process my withdraw after all, bad trust will be replaced with good trust and a transaction ID of the withdraw will be posted on all topics related to confirm and verify the fact that you would have paid. Also badbitcoin.org would be requested to remove the site.

I advice you to do the right thing for your business, and for logic's sake with such a significance in difference in money to be made in the approach with your business.

I hope the best for you and no hard feelings,

Make love, not war! <3 :-)

A very simple professional question and the owner has no idea how to answer it correctly is already a bad sign that this is not legit.
They now have a report in the scam accusation  thread created by KarinaKarina, not that much money involved but it's important it will be settled, if they cannot settle this small problem, so they don't deserve our support.

Kind reminder

Where? I do not see PM

https://www.sythe.org/threads/magebets-owner-admits-to-federal-crimes-of-ddosing-and-extortion-on-video/

Magebets merged with another runescape gambling sites, but maven is the same site.
For further proof, try the facebook link on the faucet page. It redirects to a removed facebook page for magebets.

Hello Graham.

I hope you're unwell.

-Addicted.

Pmed you

Hey, I placed a withdraw on your website, 0.0026 btc, I've tried contacting support ''please update profile'' is the error I got. In chat no response, contact form also leads to no response.

I'm not sure how else to contact you about my unprocessed withdraw.. Username Thingy.

Thank you!

Yes, @Bitgas on telegram for more info

which terms and condition you offer for your partners and investors? Can investor contribute via fiat?

Added Roll Over/Roll Under!

Good question. First, we did our own internal testing. Then hired a security team to help bulletproof our system. Both of those tests helped us upgrade the security. You always miss something. These hackers (No offense to them) found them. They exploited the system. We then found the exploits and made some patches for each instance.

We always were able to find the exploits. Well, at least we think we found the exploits. We have never paid for any ransom or info from the hackers.

About the wager spamming. The "null bet" feature was on our end. Most software providers have separate data connection points (sockets) to shuttle info back in forth to reduce latency. They spammed the bets and then used our "clear bets" feature. It was very interesting to see. The first 50k was scary. When we saw he had a 140% payout on roulette with a large number of bets, we knew something was up.

are you retarded?

i'm talking about runescape because you lied,cheated,scammed and what, think it all goes away when you change the domain?



See exactly what i said, anytime someone brings up something he doesn't like he avoids and changes the subject. it's clear how my points are related.

has nothing to do with this site, false accusations and what does nsfw etc have to do with this thread? why are u talking about runescape? this is crypto gambling, not runescape

this sites old name is, magebets just google it and you will see why you shouldn't trust it.

The admin was ddosing other runescape gambling competitors.
when i tried the site there was countless multiloggers in the poker room, the admin shrugged it off.
when i asked what the house bankroll was he didn't understand the concept, the site has no wagering limits and no proof of funds, then he replied "i have an investor who put up a million dollars" that's right, someone invested a million in his "runescape currency casino"


Every announcement the admin has ever made has been about nsfw referral banners, and suggestions, about those banners.

This is either a kid trying to steal, or a retarded adult trying to sell clickbait.




"First version"

https://www.sythe.org/threads/magebets-scam-report-magebets/

theres more post, but the original "magebets" has already been permanently banned from this forum, the owner claims he sold the site "if he did" op should post some kind of ownership transfer proof.



The way he acts seem exactly the same to me, he avoids and dismisses any real issues, when ever someone has a solid argument he plays the victim "further avoiding it"  and, unprofessional with no plan other then getting people to deposit.

an interesting read, what did you do to prevent this kind of abuse in the future?
talking about wager spamming, also how on earth was the bot nulling the bets?
you are not talking about dice sites, are you?
and you are right, there is literally an industry of extorting the buisenesses that rely on their sites to be online, online businesses like crypto casinos are prime targets
think the largest ones have learned how to deal with it , either paying for extra layers of protection or paying the attackers so they disclose the methods of the attack
in any case- running and developing an online casino is not an easy task

Smart decision. I checked few rolls, have verified them(which is main purpose of provably fair system) and numbers match.

What is max bet/win amount?

Most good developers can make a casino platform and games. The difficulty is the security in the system. Everything from user authentication, session management, , cross-browser usability, responsive design as well as every other possible scenario you could never imagine. Trust me on this. I spent 2 years developing ours, and we still find issues on occasion. Forum members here helped us find one just yesterday. It is a never-ending process that requires constant tweaking and upgrades through time. Here are a few of the issues we uncovered while developing our platform and game integrations.

Our biggest "Oh Sh$$T moments".

(1) Session IDs. In the beginning (4 years ago). We had sequential session IDs, and not random ideas. One player figured this out and started playing with funds of other users who were online at the same time. This did not cost us anything but time and explaining to the affected players what happened.

(2) Wager spamming. About the same time, another player ( or the same one) developed a spam bot that made 1000's of bets per second. Each bet placed was nulled immediately. This was like a DDOS to the system, forcing the system to accept bets after the result was seen on the screen. This caused the result to be available before the bet was placed. SO, the system gave the result, and then the bot finally placed the bet that was correct. The player won 300k in 3 days. We actually paid out 20k before we found out what this guy was doing. He had consistently about 150% payout ratio for live roulette. The scary thing is, that if the player was not greedy, he could have milked us for years. Thankfully, he was greedy.

(3) Bonus abuse. I'll save this for another time, but bonus abuse is a real issue.

ok, so my list was not long. The underlining truth is that there are way smarter people out there who could crush you. It's simple as that. God forbid you cheat a player. That brings me to #4.

(4) Ethics: I can not stress this one enough. If you cheat anyone you will be shut down by the geniuses in #2. I've seen it. Actually, it doesn't take a genius to shut someone down. It only takes a blackhater who has access to DDOS attack. Even if there is DDOS protection, you can still shut them down and/or casue them to have so much latency that they can not function normally. I've seen this scenario play out with other brands a number of times. It doesn't take much.

If I had to build another system today, I wouldn't. I would spend time marketing and less on dev.

Added a modal that shows all previous server seeds!

Honestly, I was waiting for OP to prove his funds before getting into deeper site check but I see discussion went straight into.
So I'll add my two cents.


IMO this procedure is not flawless as well. It can bring players to grey area if not treated properly.

I don't think it's necessary but better remind the obvious: User needs to be sure the server seed was generated before he gives his new client seed.
first initiate the client seed change then let the server generate the server seed (get it's hash) and only after that provide your client seed (or as most casinos do: giving you straight the next server seed).

This way the player is indeed assured the casino won't rig the game upfront but it can't guarantee him the casino won't try to cheat (by changing the server seed) when he starts to dispute the roll result.

And this is the grey area.
In case of dispute the user have to somehow prove the server seed (he's putting into verifier) was indeed the one which was provided and used (that he just didn't made it out of his head).
To make this possible there would have to be some undeniable record (not just text in database which can be changed at will, but blockchain like structure) of all used server seeds including how many rolls was made, related client seed etc.
Without such (public) record the casino can always say: No no, your server seed for that roll wasn't XXXX. It was YYYY (and client has no way to prove them otherwise).
Actually don't think any casino offers something like this (I'm not gambling much anymore so maybe there is some ). It's all kinda pseudo fair system.

Just as a note: Nonce has not to always start from 0. It can start from w/e number they decide (it only has to be always the same number). As long as the site states in FAQ which number the nonce going to start there is no problem.

Name of the operator and where you are incorporated?

Or do you operate it anonymously?

It doesnt need to be perfect but it does need to be fair and thats what most people want.

Read up some basic info on whats marlboroza talking about client seed and server seed
https://dicesites.com/provably-fair

You would realize that your site isnt really fair at all.

Then you do understand site isn't provably fair.
Did you expect people will tell you how great your not provably fair site is? 

In case you missed:

I do understand provably fair, this is just the first version of the website so it's not exactly perfect.
I posted it here to get some feedback, didn't expect people to start derepping me straight away...

What a kind of behavior for a certain gambling site owner who doesnt accept any complaints or suggestions about on its own site rather.

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I do have the doubt or the feeling that this person doesnt really know on how provably fair works nor doesnt even have the idea on how to prove funds basing on what i do read above.
For OP, gambling site business do really need lots to arrange on not just on putting up a stall and generate income directly.

Question is not what I like or what I don't like and this definitely isn't shit talking.
Every time player change client seed you have to reveal previous server seed, that's it. Not only that, every time someone change client seed nonce has to start from 0.
With all this, player will be able to verify fairness of their bets - which is impossible to do at the moment.

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What is maximum bet/win amount?

No, it is not that I don't think it is not provably fair, I KNOW it is not provably fair. It is sad to see that you have spent so much time in gambling section advertising gambling site and you didn't bother to understand how provably fair system works and/or how to check it.  
Yeah, do that, wait for more experts to tell you that site isn't provably fair

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On side note:



O boy, tagging me with fake retaliatory feedback linking reference to random scam accusation thread speaks for itself.

This is obviously not good behavior of an admin or owner of a new gambling site. You really need to accept any feedback, complain, suggestion etc. His main concern is about the most important thing of a gambling site, which is about provably fair system. He thinks that your site is not provably fair, but if you think it is provably fair already then you can just explain it. Simple as that. I don't have good knowledge about provably fair system, so I'll wait for more experts about it to come here and confirm about your system.

We just haven't added the page to see server seed histories. If you don't like the site, don't play, no need to shittalk.

I am not sure which part of my post you don't understand.

Site is not provably fair, that's it. Instead of making it provably fair you are trying to convince people that it already is. I am done here.

You're changing the client seed, not the server seed

Nonsense.

I had to check it myself and this isn't provably fair site. There is no way to verify result because only thing you will show is hashed server seed and no matter how many times player change client seed, hashed server seed will always be the same.

Try to research what is provably fair system and how it should work.

already join site ill check first any fiture of your site sir

Fascinating. Do you have any preliminary studies on revenue, demographics, or any other projections? Do you have experience in executing an online gaming brand? How about an affiliate program? Please PM me and I'll would like to talk to you about it.

In general. The bankroll amount indicates what kind of players your site going to attract. Higher the bankroll = higher amount bettors ... so the aswer is: as much as you can afford to lose.
Just publish your address with signed message. (note these funds should stay there to keep your site credible). The best way is to use cold storage address which won't be used to pay regular withdrawals. Only in case of some huge (jackpot or w/e ) wins.

BUT

First you should consider limiting max bet amounts (how much players can win by single roll).
Do not allow win amount to be more than let's say 10% of your bakroll (If you have 10 BTC then max possible single roll win should be 1 BTC ) ... otherwise some lucky player can turn you insolvent in few bets.

How much do I need to prove?
Mirae didn't say anything meaningful, he referred to an unused variable that we sent in the post request, that's just an unused variable, nothing more.

do you have any proof of funds?
a free faucet  and your usual UI , nothing that should be unfamiliar for a regular dice player
10% of the house edge  affiliate, not really spectacular, but it is there
do you plan any promotions or giveaways for bitcointalk members?
I can see the the provably fair implementation on the site, well done, but can you answer Mirae concerns properly?

Why so mad lol
We used to send the client seed with each roll but then we switched it to server sided saving, what's so special about that?

BEWARE OF THIS !

Their dice game is fishy
as you can see in the screenshot below the http request of the dice says seed:abcdef
https://prnt.sc/lhh11s

After i saw it for the first time i got into my profile and changed the client seed to "notfuckingabcdef" as you can see here
https://prnt.sc/lhh1ic
and the seed in the dice request stays the same + theres no onsite way to verify the rolls

Theres also a lot of leftovers from some runescape gambling of rs3 or something

i wouldnt deposit a cent on this website

What does that mean? We operate it

Who is the operator?

or you can spend a little a buy copper membership. Then you can post pics as much as you want

Your site looks nice, at least it is not a copy of older dice site. Registered an account and tried some bets with the free btc, but it seems a bit slow for rolling each bet. Is it because of the bet amount which is too small? Also about your autobet system, there is no features like in other dice site? Did I miss something here?

But you know about Merit

Your site has pretty cool UI but as the other user above said, why should we choose your dice site over the others which is overtime got our trust? Why should we consider playing on a new site, do you have any advantage compared to other sites? Do you have unique feature? If none, having a nice UI alone will not bring you number of high rollers but only faucet abusers. One more thing, the highest multiplier is only 48x?

I've just joined this forum so I'm not fully familiar with the rules and everything, I don't even know what merit points are but I assumed they help me boost my activity

Your images won't show until you become Jr.Member.

Your options are:
- Earn single merit.
- Buy a copper membership https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/newbies-can-now-pay-a-small-fee-to-enable-images-2385104
- Ask a higher rank user to quote your post.


as of your site.
Can you provide proof you hold enough funds to pay the winners?

Begging for merit is frowned upon...

Turns out I don't have enough posts to post images yet, so with time it should be all good Please give merit points guys

Why you? What's the specialty?

https://mavenbets.com/dice

We worked hard on this one and we are happy to present Mavenbets!
1% House Edge


For partners and investors
Telegram: @Bitgas if you would like to contact me