https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/srknzk-2399417 a personal friend of Ilker Demirtas, this guy tries to pose as an honest unbiased bounty hunter in Turkish forums, promotes the lies and bullshit stories of his friend and tries to entice people to join his bounties to later rip them off...
From the company Max Property Group, at least 1 director Bart de Jong, and Sales Manager Gudo Thiessen, boss of Ilker, have directly orchestrated and are well aware of the details of this scam and how hundreds of people lost 95% of their earnings, and to this day they continue to defend this criminal offense, link to what's app conversation with Gudo Thiessen on Jan 17, 2019 below:
https://imgur.com/gallery/uDhglrH
Topic: Max Property Group (formerly known as Dominium), Millions of Tokens Evaporated (Read 363 times)
January 17, 2019, 08:08:22 PM
January 17, 2019, 12:25:39 PM
Are there any other accounts related to this project other than the bounty managers? Please list them if they exist.
January 17, 2019, 09:53:43 AM
I have followed Dominium bounty campaign since start and Woshib knows it as I spoked with him about some strange stakes gave to some users but this is not the big problem. The big problem would be the fact that the 1st round managed by Woshib was reduced to 25% and the other manager Ilker got 75%. This results in the fact that the 1st round of the participants got almost nothing and the 2nd participants of Ilker bounty got at least something but you can never split a bounty program like this even if you have got 10 managers.
This can be a bounty hunters problem too but I don't think they would have engage into this bounty if they knew that first round will have only 25% of the bounty supply and after the ICO the token will have a swap to a new one and the total supply will be reduced again.
As far as I know MPG are a legit program with a legit team trying to really integrate estates within the blockchain so there is nothing shady from the team but the bounty program is something else.
This can be a bounty hunters problem too but I don't think they would have engage into this bounty if they knew that first round will have only 25% of the bounty supply and after the ICO the token will have a swap to a new one and the total supply will be reduced again.
As far as I know MPG are a legit program with a legit team trying to really integrate estates within the blockchain so there is nothing shady from the team but the bounty program is something else.
January 17, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Ok so real estate company called Max Property Group (https://www.maxpropertygroup.com/en/#team) decides to launch a bounty with 5 million EUR fixed pool in July 2018, the link you can see below, at the time they are known as Dominium:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-dominium-the-decentralised-property-platform-5000000-fixed-pool-4678695
For a couple of months, a lot of bounty hunters sign up and the bounty works well, great social media coverage, great signature, stakes are awarded. Then there are disagreements between the bounty manager Woshib and the management board, and mysteriously Woshib gets replaced by Ilker Demirtas, an already red painted known scammer (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/demirtasilker57-2080609), who, along with and under orders from his boss Gudo Thiessen, start to feed the management team false information about the bounty results to substantially reduce the reward pool so that they can get a bigger cut for themselves.
Now at this point, the bounty is separated into 2 parts, with much lower terms going forward. However, the 1st group of bounty hunters get paid on the original terms, based on the work they already completed, as you can verify from Woshib's spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zRpbDvOta4qxlVSawQM2DxzUyyg3vuEBcygOH9tvhxg/edit#gid=466812260
Now here comes the big scam. Dominium after a couple of months has to go through a name change because of trademark rights, so right before their child chain goes live on the main ARDOR blockchain and their tokens become official, DOM tokens get replaced with MPG (the new token of the Max Property Group), and right on the day the child chain goes live,
the original bounty hunters find out that their tokens, which they had already received, have been reduced by a whopping 20 to 1, so now they are left with only 5% of their earned rewards.
This, ladies and gentlemen, would be considered outright theft and embezzlement in any jurisdiction; the management team of Max Property Group has already been notified, and if they don't correct this scam by their Crypto Currency & Bounty group, they should be hit with a class action lawsuit, and their project tagged everywhere as a scam and criminal endeavor.
Let me know what you think, and how best to broadcast this.
All the Best,
Vispilio
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-dominium-the-decentralised-property-platform-5000000-fixed-pool-4678695
For a couple of months, a lot of bounty hunters sign up and the bounty works well, great social media coverage, great signature, stakes are awarded. Then there are disagreements between the bounty manager Woshib and the management board, and mysteriously Woshib gets replaced by Ilker Demirtas, an already red painted known scammer (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/demirtasilker57-2080609), who, along with and under orders from his boss Gudo Thiessen, start to feed the management team false information about the bounty results to substantially reduce the reward pool so that they can get a bigger cut for themselves.
Now at this point, the bounty is separated into 2 parts, with much lower terms going forward. However, the 1st group of bounty hunters get paid on the original terms, based on the work they already completed, as you can verify from Woshib's spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zRpbDvOta4qxlVSawQM2DxzUyyg3vuEBcygOH9tvhxg/edit#gid=466812260
Now here comes the big scam. Dominium after a couple of months has to go through a name change because of trademark rights, so right before their child chain goes live on the main ARDOR blockchain and their tokens become official, DOM tokens get replaced with MPG (the new token of the Max Property Group), and right on the day the child chain goes live,
the original bounty hunters find out that their tokens, which they had already received, have been reduced by a whopping 20 to 1, so now they are left with only 5% of their earned rewards.
This, ladies and gentlemen, would be considered outright theft and embezzlement in any jurisdiction; the management team of Max Property Group has already been notified, and if they don't correct this scam by their Crypto Currency & Bounty group, they should be hit with a class action lawsuit, and their project tagged everywhere as a scam and criminal endeavor.
Let me know what you think, and how best to broadcast this.
All the Best,
Vispilio
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