Topic: Members applying in merit campaigns without being eligible (Read 726 times)

There are some people who always ignored the rules. But there are TWO kinds of people who ignored it. I'll explain it here. The first one is,

1. Ignoring for reserving - Peope ignored reading rules because they want to reserve an opening slot in a certain campaign. I've noticed that this is really common. As we can see, applying in campaigns is like a race,  first in first serve.  They post their application first before reading the rules but sometimes, they really don't care reading it. They didn't even know that it doesn't matter if you applied first. Because what matter most is your posts quality.

2. Totally Ignoring - These people always ignored rules because they don't even care at all. I think this only happens because they are always getting ignored by campaigns too. Sometimes they used to ignore to read rules first because they know that they won't be accepted anyway. They're just trying their luck. And some people who totally ignore rules are people who didn't really care about any rules. Because they believed they can earn money by just posting. This is usually new members who don't even lend time to visit the forum's rules and Beginners&Help section.

To me it's not rocket science.  They're ignorant and lazy and would rather create 100 accounts and have 30 of them banned--and thus succeed and earn with 70 of them--than actually improve their language skills to make interesting posts.  These are the kinds of people who want to support their families by spamming.  They think that's a peachy way to raise kids and feed their family.  In the US, you'd get fucking laughed at if you told people that's how you made money.  It doesn't help society, does nothing productive, and encourages their children to aspire to sub-mediocrity. 

That's a culture I don't understand and have little respect for. 

I just got a PM from someone who couldn't get into a campaign because of a negative trust I left him.  Boo-hoo.  I have no sympathy for any of these idiots and plights like that.  I'd say 70% or more of people here don't deserve to be in sig campaigns, and the more of them that get banned or otherwise disqualified from getting accepted into them, the better.

What OP says is the correct and accurate evidence of people who are fond of spamming, they don't read rules because they are blind with their own ignorance, it doesn't matter about rank level, that doesn't matter to them because they are greedy. and what makes me laugh the most is that, there are people who are applying in a campaign that is ended already, fuss that. most of the time jr.member to members do this.

Who cares.
People are posting without reading anything and you don't see anyone writing essay about it.

But to see how farming accounts are posting in meta and pointing fingers at others while they are receiving merit from their alt accounts, something what is obvious to many users here, that is priceless.

This is not always the case. Some members are currently in campaigns when reserving spots for another, especially if the new campaign is not set to start until after their current campaigns end.

This, in itself, is bad behavior, and I usually end up adding those users to my ignore list whenever I come across them. It’s obvious that their sole purpose of joining the forums is to earn money.

I have also seen members posting messages like "reserved" while applying for signature campaigns. The only reason I can think about this is that they arrange the details like btc addres after posting that message.

They are not able to do that instantly because they are using multiple profiles and have not prepared the details in advance. I will try to post such members when next campaign is announced so that senior members can check their profiles for suspicious behavior.

It is really funny to see some of the responses there. For instance, sometimes you can see a newbie applying and submitting response for wear a signature as yes when he is actually having no signature at all. One more thing that I have seen members abusing while applying is that they put some words like reserved while applying in a campaign and later they edit the post to add the details asked by campaign manger. Not sure if any manager has noticed this so far or not  but never saw any one posting about this issue.

The probable reason why this happend is they apply without reading the rules, though that's a bad habit but that's the reality. And second, maybe they are very desperate to have a signature campaign (since it's very hard to have a campaign nowadays) that's why they ontinue applying and hoping to be accepted which very impossible to happen because I never see a campaign manager who breaks his own rules.

Aside from what you've been noticed, I also see some users who apply even though it's very clear that the campaign is already FULL. I think those people don't deserve a slot for being insensitive. Honestly, they are annoying but anyway that's not my business anmyore I'm just hoping that campaign managers take an action regarding that.

I recently started a weekly challenge where I award users with a chance to win some money and merits for posting constructively on the forums, and I will say that I've received applications from people who clearly do not meet the requirements. And users that have applied and then never posted again. It's just the nature of the forums currently, and I'm hoping that the merit system will help to slowly eliminate those types of users.

I think that honestly, it also has to do with users not realizing that the merit system has been introduced. They have no idea what it is, so they continue to apply to bounties and sig campaigns. As far as I'm concerned, these types of users provide no real contributions to this forum and can/should be banned, as far as I'm concerned.

Most of the time, I saw this situation on the services child board and I will just laugh when I see this STUPID USERS applying in the campaign when they don't reach the minimum requirements.

This is what happens when ignorance is at its fullest. Maybe they think that there is a consideration and they can join in a certain campaign without reaching the minimum requirements. Its very annoying when I see those users applying but we can't do anything about them but to put them on the ignore list maybe.

I have also observed that the campaign managers have to deal with a lot of problems including the one you mentioned

1) Applying in campaign and not posting: Some members are always first to apply in a campaign, but they do not care to make a single post. They are ultimately removed but they end up taking spot of a desrving member for that period.

2) Making posts only as mentioned: Some people do not have the common sense to make some extra posts so that if some  threads are deleted, it can be compensated.

Merit system has nothing to do with these members applying for signature campaigns without being eligible. This happened before the merit system as well. Another reason I can think of this is that some members might be feeling that their lack of requirement might get overlooked by the campaign manager. They need to understand that these managers are being paid for the experience they bring to the process. In one of the comments someone mentioned that it can be because sometimes the requirements are relaxed seeing the posting history. This should not be done if we want to put an end to the practice OP is highlighting.

It doesn't matter, romanvost. I don't think your topic is necesary one. Over time, those foolish users will recognize their faults. The problem is "How strict signature campaigns' managers are?". I raise such a question because there are many scam projects, which created mainly to get fast money from naive investors. They need campaigns (on bitcointalk forum, on social media channels like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, etc.) to catch attention of potential naive investors. They don't care about costs for marketing campaigns (because they spend for them using premined-coins, that means zero costs); then due to they don't actually have to spend money for campaigns, they don't check status of their participants, just joined and will get payments.

That's the fact, current 'disease' of signature campaigns in the forum. I hope that merit system will stop this disease.

We live in a culture which is unfortunately centered around money these days, and we can't really blame them for trying to better their life. What I don't understand is they don't want to actively to contribute and get better, they'll continue spamming the exact same sentences and trying to take short cuts when really getting paid for posting on a forum should probably not be so easily accessible. Bounties and the paid bumping services going on in the altcoin section has really ruined that whole section.

I agree that this probably doesn't need its own thread, as it's a relatively minor issue and not a new one--but man is it annoying to see these idiots applying to campaigns that they obviously don't qualify for. 

That's part of a culture that I just don't understand, and it's one of the reasons I can't stand all these 3rd world garbage posters who are only here to earn money spamming.  They'll do anything, including lying, cheating, and cover-ups of misdeeds, and probably a million other unsavory practices. 

They need to stick to the local boards.

How about if we ask you the same thing, don't you have anything better to do? For example, write positively constructive replies so that this forum would not be filled with such a pessimistic attitude? I know that this statement is not always applicable but have you heard of the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all"? You should have understood that the OP is pointing out ignorance that should be changed. You are no different with those people that don't read through the rules as you choose to jump into conclusions and just go for it when things need to be comprehended well. I wish you change your perspective on things as this forum would need more optimism rather than the hate.

fixed that for you.

They have so many accounts, that is the reason for applying in other campaigns.


What is not true? there is no merit campaign, all are money campaigns. don't worry we are not going to waste any time, members like you are.


It feels good when somebody calls you dev, sir or just begging you, right? (dev digaran, do you need translator for your scam token?).

I want to experience that feeling when someone calls me "Sir Aikidoka" or begs me to accept him. I bet Yahoo has received tons of messages. But either way, why not stop talking about these people? It is up to the manager whether or not he accepts them. As for the beginners, they might have no clue about this forum is all about. Perhaps, they will know its true value one day. Until that days comes, let us be helpful to each other.

Because if even one potential shitposter reads this topic and changes their mind about blindly applying to a bounty campaign, then this topic will have served its purpose. The changes start with one user st a time, and I actually commend OP for taking the time to record and publicly announce his observations.

This is what I saw already, The majority of people that they newly join this forum for the reason to make money, this is the main reason for joining, they don't care about the forum anymore. As you said, people who are already here tell their friends that there is signature campaign and they paid you by posting in the forum, They thought that this is too easy, they thought that they should write a required amount of shitty posts and paid easily. I don't like this anymore, so the required merit points of going signature campaign are a great idea to break shit posters. People now should write good posts to be eligible to join campaign as they should improve first their English and re enroll.

The way I see it people actually read and understand the policy of the campaign and even not qualified they post application because they are hoping their applications might be consider since the manager is known to be the most generous in this forum. There were certain cases when even if a person did not meet the required merit but after reviewing their post quality finds it qualified, they got accepted which become a piece of hope for many applicants.

Giving a response like this makes people who actually wants the betterment of the forum get frustrated with all the things that they are complaining about is being ignored and no improvement whatsoever. No one is against trying to earn some income by doing activities allowed on the forum only what is required is to do it right and stick to the rules and with that every one will be happy.


You are very right on point on this and there is no justification for how things have turned which is what everyone that have comment can attest to as it is what we all see on a daily basis. However, in the midst of all of this, so also are the ones that decide and purpose in their heart to do the right thing which I have equally seen tons of. They give reasonable arguments, contribute to the body of knowledge, share ideas based on personal experiences and these are where we still need to do more as campaign managers and campaign participants.

This is so true, I am in a campaign but totally ignore the minimum requirement. I didn't have a sig for years so it wouldn't be a disaster if I didn't get paid, I don't need it to live, Signatures going wouldn't ruin me, actually the net gain of no signatures would be a cleaner forum so I would be happy if they all went.

I am happy as Gilmore that you are using merits as an entry to campaigns, I do hope all managers adopt it. It will take sometime no doubt but that will be the start of cleaning this place up for sure.

It might be possible, it might not. But we do not need to see this in a larger picture since what really is the problem here is the ignorance of the members applying in that certain Signature Campaign. If a Bot is registered, I don't think that it will be used to that but will be just used to post on a certain post also made by the user.

Bought account may be a possible but the closest answer here is these ignorant members.

I do not think that this is possible. A bot will not be able to read the thread and thus determine if the campaign is open or not. New members doing might be because of ignorance or not being aware about the rules. So far as senior members doing this is concerned, only reason i can think of it is a purchased account and they are not experienced with the rules of the signature campaign. The seller might be selling these accounts with promises that you will get accepted in campaigns and so they keep applying in all open campaigns.

I think they are using bot for registered on any opening signature campaign.
It is possible right ?

I am happy that yahoo expressed his opinion regarding this and I will be delighted if other campaign managers follow this. First they are providing us with an earning opportunity and ensuring that we get paid on time. And in return they have to deal with this crap. Just think how annoying can it be for a person managing multiple campaigns to see such responses on all his campaigns. There are members who start using bad words for the whole campaign even if it has been running for 6 months or more and they had been getting paid every time. They cannot adjust with one delay but they want the campaign manager to adjust with 3-4 less posts.

I think Op has not defaulted by making an observation known. Your comment seem like an attack to him and the forum because if we just pretend like we don't see some of these flagrant abuse of campaign rules, it might still come back to hurt some innocent members when some managers would make a harsh/thread post on that, indicting almost all posters (especially low ranking members + "seniors").

For instance, some members are also in the habit of trying to jump from one particular campaign(when accepted already) to another even with same requirement, pay and opened same  time.
Check yahoo's anger, the first time I read his angry comment   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3036499.20

I think members should be responsible .

I know that there are a lot of issues caused by ignorant members:

1) I remember you mentioning that some of the members started to apply for new campaign even after getting accepted in a campaign even though the pay is same. Now what to say about these members. They not only cause a lot of confusion and time waste for the campaign manager, sometimes take the opportunity from other deserving members.

2) Another thing that the participants need to work on is the patience. Even if the funds are Escrowed and the campaign is manged by a reputed member, some people start questioning the credibility of the manager if there is delay of just few hours or a day. One should also be smart enough to check if the payment has been initiated or not by checking their own wallet address in sites like https://blockchain.info/ . I will try to make a separate thread for all this if time allows.

This is not true do not waste time with merit campaign, better fill time by looking for money(sig campaign), stop is to do it because whatever the terms of his campaign his results are not as big as what is expected

Why do we need to discuss this since we all know that there are a lot of people who will apply on something as long as they know they will be paid even though they are not eligible. Maybe they can't read or they are just dumb.

Don't be such a dickhead berating someone who is pointing out an aberration. The OP isn't out of line with what he just mentioned. From your comment, I hope you aren't one of the defaulters.

The OP's observation is also a point of concern for me. And I would want the campaign managers to punish those who don't read or stick to the OP by tagging them spammers. This measure will help reduce such blind stupidity. Even after Yahoo made an effort explaining the Merit level requirement as criteria before any participant could join in (some of) his campaigns, some still dont keep to it. Very annoying, I must say.

They apply because they think they are superior and special.

The reality is that they are too stupid to understand why those restrictins are in place.

btw - I noticed that you are confirming that bounty campaigns are all about merits.

It's often the case that I see in every campaign, most users just applying without seeing the rules first. I do not know what they mean. for example, the campaign is only open for full member and above, but many of the applicants who have the rank of member below still applying, they still applying although they know they will not be accepted to the campaign.

Many "bounties" lead many companies, and they simply do not have time to get acquainted with the rules. Many even never open the website ! This is called "run after two rabbits"! It is better to lead one, two companies, but to delve into the essence and read attentively every word.

I could fill a whole section of the forum with users who do not qualify for a campaign but apply anyways. I could also fill another section with users who do not follow the rules of the campaigns most of the time.

What it all boils down to is basic ignorance and disregard for rules. Alot of these users see a campaign open and apply blindly. They don't read any rules or requirements at all. They were just told, by their friends, that they could earn money making posts here. Those types of users are the type of user this forum does not need.

I see all kinds of ignorance on here. Users that will not make a post period unless they are in a sig campaign. They're not here to learn about bitcoin or other useful alts. They are here to earn money period. I'm not against someone earning some money for posting, but they should at least have an interest in something besides the money. It's very sad to grade the sheets every day and see the users that if the requirement is 25 posts, they do exactly 25 posts. Then if a thread is deleted and they lose 1-2 posts, I get a message whining "please pay me".

If you're gonna apply for a job, you should ALWAYS read the rules for said job if you expect to be paid. If you don't plan on reading the rules and requirements, don't cry when you're not paid or land on a blacklist.

Users should just be casually posting on topics that are of interest to them. Making 10-25 posts a week should be nothing if you only have 1 account and browse the forum.

The Meta section is for issues directly about the forum. People not being able to read the requirements before applying for a campaign doesn't really fall into that category. That's really an issue for the relevant campaign manager to deal with by blacklisting or tagging them. If it concerns you that much maybe you could direct your comments at them rather than make a pointless thread.

Most of the members forget that anything affecting this forum is indirect affecting you as well as you are a member. If all people started ignoring the scammers and frauds happening here, what a nice place it will become ?

Regarding me joining a campaign, I am lucky that I was accepted even though I am new here. It does not mean that I got no responsibility towards this forum and I should be content with the money I am making with the campaign.

Dont you have anything better to do? For example participating in campaigns to earn some money...
Stop wasting your time on things that don't affect you!
People are joining everything nowadays without reading the rules anyway.

While searching for a campaign to apply, I saw that a lot of members are posting in different campaigns even if they do not fulfill any criteria:

1) I saw some newbies with 3-4 posts applying. Made me laugh.

2) Some of the high rank members are also applying without reading the requirements.

So here are some members doing this :

Campaign 1 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yahoo62278-sig-avatar-campaignhigh-merit-requiredclosed-2956154

a) Member: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aryanto28-1081394
120 merits are required for full member but he is applying with 101 merit.


b) Member https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2956154.80
15 merits are required for member but  he is applying with 10.


I will add more in future.