Topic: merit. good or bad? (Read 704 times)

nope.. upbeat positive attitude.. you get a merit bud.

I think I've got this figured out.

I am a member of this forum for three reasons:

1) to learn;
2) to share that new-found knowledge with others: and
3) have a little fun.

At the end of the day, rank and merit have little meaning for me. I have found brilliant Newbies and rather dull ranking members. It's kind of like life.
I'll dig through the morass that is this forum, trying to find the information I need. If I see something that I feel needs my input, I'll provide that. I won't be asking many questions, though, as I have such a lack of knowledge that I don't know the right questions to ask.

Y'all have a good day.



P.S.: This will probably be considered to be a shitpost by some. Oh, well.

oh all what you want. and what next. what can you do? make shitpost to mocking others

I can call you a shitposter all day long if I want.. we as a community want less shitposters...  i'm not the only one who is against it

you don't have the right to force what others should do!

don't shitpost.. see catch 22.. shitpost you will get called out on it.. don't shitpost you wont and you may get merits...

you can move if you want. don't need to ask others. this is not your forum.

and ? your point being is what?? if you want to check more closely you will see I have given out merits 35 times today..

so yet again, doing something is better than doing nothing..

if you don't like it - improve the quality of what you are posting or take that shit to bitcoin.com

yeah and what i see, most of your posts are mocking and attacking other members
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tman-98986

I am trying to help educate all of you low content posters for the greater good of this place.

i am also sending out merits to people..

i'm getting involved and trying to help. if you just want to post nonsense go to bitcoin.com they will love you there.

Many people just want to sit front of the desktop screen. and thing i see here is you are posting shitposts.

do you feel abused?? I just gave you a merit.. now go out and earn some more.. do not question the new system embrace it...

I'm not that old here as well and I see that the merit system that was newly implemented can be good and bad at the same time. It's good that its aim is to stop troll posts, but at the same time could be used for abuse by high ranking members here... just saying..

but whats the point? go have a wank - go for a walk outside.. do something more fulfilling than posting boring shitposts.

you are wasting valuable internet space.. at this rate we will run out

If you look at the system, it is designed in a way that eventually, the merits will be i hand of deserving hands. For instance, as members spend all their existing Smerits we will rely only on merit sources. Those merit sources will reward members with useful posts (serious people). So it will get only better with time.

When you learn something new you start at the beginning. For a skilled person the beginning look like shit. But no one start as an expert.

I know that quality posts is which has contribution for BCT community. But some just want talk here with others, as a way to entertain  so It's not mean that all posts must have quality

see - total shitpost...

why did you make me read this? why am I making the effort to reply??

you need to think about what you post... make less posts and then you will end up with merits

Sure that i will report to Mod if i see. but if, too much threads and my time is not for looking for this and report

i dont think Merit can make increase quality of post in this forum because many people can gather into groups where they will send merit to each other.

Merit / trust / Medals is fine if people think they have a chance to get it. Then they will fight for it.
If they find out it is impossible to get it can backfire and give opposite effect.

Trust - if you get 1 bad trust from Default trust member you loose interest. In particular if unfair.
Merit - standard users have standard problems etc. No one give them merit. They loose interest.
Medals - we give them to our soldiers so they feel proud. When I see it I always think. How many people did he kill to get them.

Do I think merit is good. Yes / No. I don't care 

If you know what they are saying, than report that to Admins and deliver evidence. They will look into it and decide what to do. Moderators and not all seeing, from time to time they need our help.

As far as i know it is against the rules to sell or abuse Merit. I guess there should be hard punishments for those who abuse Merit system, so that people should think twice before they do something like that. It is not the system that is bad, its the people who try to abuse it.

Yep. First thing I do when I see these users whinging is check their post history. Usually all trash farmed in ICO threads and other half-assed one liners of nothingness. The ones that are kicking up the must fuss vocally are likely the users who have multiple accounts because they know it's going to be very difficult to even get the merit points on one account alone never mind several. Long gone will be the days where you could sign up with as many accounts as you like just to easily bleed campaigns dry. Now you actually have to contribute something useful and to a perpetual one line shitposter this is going to be a lot of work indeed.


He's been left negative trust by a mod.

Only thing that Merit is bringing now is Merit sell on local board and other forums. No more. And i don't see any action of Mod about this thread in local board.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2819627

he edited his post

To people who seek to improve their knowledge and enjoy participating in exchange of opinion this merit system will be no problem whatsoever. Because in time they will gather enough points for rank up. Of course this will not be possible for those who post just for sake of post count.

Yes, on start higher ranks will have more sMerit. But who can better evaluate quality of posts if not them? Also that is only on start, because there is limited number of sMerit, even for high ranks. In time those sMerit will be passed down to other ranks, low and high.

Rank has nothing to do with quality of post. When someone joins this forum, first step would be to get to know some basic things. After that what they NEED to do, is to READ as much as possible, and gather as much knowledge as possible. So when the time comes for them to join "as much discussion as possible" they will be able to make high quality posts. No one should please no one, but people need to think what they are posting.

The point of this forum is spreading knowledge of crypto currency and other things. And yes people can freely say their opinion, and they SHOULD think twice before posting something. Because that way they can be sure they made good post. And good posts have nothing to do with high ranks, because post is your own doing.

Not everything is in rank of profile. This forum is great source of all kind of knowledge, for those who seek it. We can say what we think and share our opinion freely, but that doesn't mean we should shitpost. We should follow regulations of this forum, and give our best in helping other people by making quality posts.

I think this Merit system is good for forum, in time it will insure more good quality posts. Those who seek to improve themselves and their posts will have no problem.

You summed it up perfectly, hilariousetc. Most of the new accounts here are cancer, bringing absolutely nothing to the discussion and shitposting solely for the purpose of ranking up and taking part in bounty campaigns. I'm happy with the introduction of the merit system and I hope it will discourage spammers from posting shittons of low quality content littering this forum. Just look at the post history of some of the accounts who bitch the loudest about merit, the majority of them are exactly what this system aims to rid of. Only time will tell if successfully, but in my view this is a step in the right direction.

Wut? Nothing has changed regarding posting. Everyone can still say whatever they want, only now great posts have the option of being rewarded with merit points.


People used to join this forum so they had a place to discuss bitcoin but that has become second-fiddle as it has been taken over by shitposters just trying to earn in the laziest way possible. This system is an attempt to curb that and the farming that is going on. Now if you want to earn you actually have to contribute something of substance. Too bad for you. 


I don't understand how this system stops people from saying what they want?


It's not difficult to join. It's easy. It's a little harder to rank up now but that's irrelevant to posting and is only an issue if you're wanting to earn money here.  If it was to just post and contribute you would just get on with it as nothing has changed there but you don't really care about actually contributing anything worthwhile and you're only complaining because this new system has now thrown a spanner in the works of you being able to easily earn here by shitposting. People will still sign up in droves to earn but that is now not as easy as just shitposting all the way to the bank.


We're already at war. War against shitposters and this system is an attempt to clean that up.

Why not? if this new system can reduce spammers or the like and certainly can reduce the work of the bounty manager, and finally I can get my payment in the right time, can you see now almost all bounty filled by spammers who chase the number of posts? and of course this becomes additional work by the bounty manager and the impact is the bounty hunter who honestly affected the impact (late payment).

And I also do not focus on my rank, because iam not just looking for a bounty in this forum. Once again sorry for my bad english and my bad explanation. Thanks

it is so boring if you just post and post and post to complete the necessary number of post to meet the activity needed to rank up, but now we have merit System, now we need to start adapting the changes, now we need to earn other's trust and attentions by making quality post, and good response to threads.... So it's a good news

How about you read the thread from the beginning and stop shitposting, SMH.

EDIT: or one of the dozens of other threads in the Meta section (...)

I wamna know is merit good or bad?  Obviosly im a newbie here so i wanna know is it good or bad for me i hope i got some replies

I think I probably agree with this, the thing is that it’s not going anywhere so we just have to get on with it.

Good for the forum
Bad for majority of users (unfortunately)

Bow down to your Queen of Dragons.

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That was rather quite exaggerated. I suggest that you lock this thread and keep the discussion in existing threads. There are some other complaint threads, where OPs are getting destroyed in their nonsensical arguments.

right, I can't say anything bad about this merit system now. OK.

you are higher than me.

I will say nothing about this

I will obey your rule as long as I value my account in bitcoin talk

and yes, I value my account.

i am so sorry Legendary king.

please forgive me. I won't say anything bad about this forum, all your decisions are right and 100 percent indeed

please forgive me and let me keep my account.

SORRY SORRY SORRY

please accept my apologies

That is complete nonsense, and you are just a disgruntled shitposter. If you want to post on this forum for the sake of posting, you will not care about: a) Trust rating. b) Your rank. c) Your merit points.

Then don't post, idiot.

That's how it should be.

Yeah, no.

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I suggest leaving rather than annoying others with your useless whining.

this merit system will make people think it is meaningless to reply, or say their opinion.

just like we discuss in here.

this forum should be a place for people to express what they think, not to favor everyone in this forum.

but, unfortunately, people should like your post first then give you merit.

and after you genuinely cautiously reply or create a new topic and try your best to make contribution

your merit could be zero. because you still don't have much knowledge to give a good enough post in order to get merit.

then what you gonna do?

merit for people to give away is limited. your genuinely, cautiously post is valueless for the majority of people. only those good idea and constructive posts may get merits from others.

and is it right to try your best to make a contribution and get nothing?

that's so harsh so unfriendly.

also, don't forget humanity. why people give you merits? either you post is really really good or he or she can get benefit from it.

I already saw some posts said that there has merit trade available.

so, what's the point? dampen people's enthusiasm for "quality posts"?? and has the potential for cheating by buying merits??

nice job to mess up!

Yes, stop whining. I'm tired of these *pretend I really care about the system, but I'm actually only concerned about my own ranking up* threads.

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An extra bonus: You're breaking the forum rules due to the way that you're responding to this thread.

I don't understand it, can you explain it more?

again, another "shitpost" here. I already admit that merit system can decrease low quality post. please read it carefully. Thank you

yeah, I agree with it and I said twice in my original post, what you say is exactly shitpost. sorry to point it out.
you see, it is so easy to post "shitpost", even you. my dear hero rank.

because most of the newbies don't have decent knowledge to give a constructive post. if he or she knows much about crypto currency,  then he or she must already registered in here and already has a good rank.

you said you are a bounty hunters, under the circumstances of more difficult to achieve higher rank, you actually agree with the system.
what do you mean? you need a higher rank but you agree to make it harder???really contradiction.

no worries, my english is bad as well.

but I want to say that what we do here is meaningless, either you right or I right we can't get any merit. discuss this may just waste our time.

because you have to post high quality post, and this high quality should be recognized by other people.

why should people give you merit just discuss about the merit system? anyone has its opinion, so it is valueless. not "high quality", and should be deleted.

I think there should be a + button beside merit and JR members and up can click it to give 1 merit per post of a specific user.  With the +1 merit for quality post system everyone who is a somewhat established member vote counts equal when giving a merit point. Let forum members as a whole decide who gets what merit.

It is very good for quality of the forum speech,. Less spam around

It's good for quality poster and bad for those spammer who want ranked up their account faster by shitposting nonsense posts.

Why should not be a newbie able to create posts with good quality? Hierarchy is basically what any forum is about. Someone has first to gain trust before he is accepted. This prvents spam and fraud.

One fear I have with the new merit score is, that it will result in buying and selling these points.
EDIT: Already happened

Idk maybe for some people this is not fair, but I think this is fair enough. At least this can reduce the shitpost and spammer.
For this I do not agree, some people join in this forum to find out what it is crypto or tell what is crypto , so rank is not a necessity is not it? unless they are bounty hunters that require rank to follow some campaign (Including me).

It is actually a merit point that must be obtained its high (maybe theymos can reduce it) But For now let's respect the decision theymos made. It is common to have positive and negative opinions on the new system. This is also for the better future of this forum.

Btw sorry for my bad english and thanks!

firstly, I think merit is good to decrease low quality posts! so stop discuss that.

but I am wondering it is fair for ALL MEMBERS in here???

as I know, different ranks hold different merits, and most importantly, who has higher ranks can have more merits to give away. which means, higher ranks have more power than low ranks.

generally speaking, as a newbie, he can't give a constructive post as other people who has higher ranks. what he can do is do his best to join the discussion as many as possible . but with this merit, this sense of "hierarchy” is going further!!! now everyone should kind of "please" the higher ranks member, because higher ranks hold more merits to give away!! which means they have more power in this forum. that's why I said is "hierarchy"

but what's the beginning point of making this forum? is it spread the knowledge of crypto currency? is it offer a place for everyone to say their opinion? But with this merit, I don't think low ranks can say their opinion freely because they have to think twice before post, if what they say is unfavor for "high class" members, then it is hard for them to get merits.

if what I said is true, then what's the point to join this forum?

if everyone can't say what they want to say in this forum then what's the point to make this forum?

if new members think it is difficult to join this forum and hard to increase their rank, then I think it is bad for this forum to develop, because new blood is essential and I believe this forum is not just let higher rank members to show how much knowledge they have, but to spread the knowledge to new people and encourage new member to contribute more.

I repeat, I didn't say this merit system cannot decrease the low quality posts, but it is unfair for new people.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2779298

this is what I just saw and what I post, a Legendary criticize and say it should be deleted because a jr member said that "I think this is the right step, because every year bitcoin value continues to increase, so your friends will benefit a lot if he invests for the next 2 years. now is the right time because the price is low". He said this jr member is "some 3rd world shitposter"

I believe this merit system will make this forum become a WAR!

I really hope this forum is an open place for people to say what they want, to make it happen, firstly, please make it FAIR first!