Topic: Merit [NEW] (Read 762 times)

Later on this poster will gain negative trust or will be banned because of copy pasting. So don't wasting your time to argue with the OP. Because highrankers already notice this kind of post. Lets just help to report this kind of spammer.

Wow, I did not realize what you point out above as I spend almost all my time safely tucked away in the Collectibles section and do not visit Economics, Bitcoin Discussion etc....I have heard about the spam problem but fortunately it has not (for the most part) invaded the small area of the forum I frequent.

So users like Rupok, who you quote, make money posting jibberish like that?  Who pays them and aren't they to blame?

It absolutely is.  Unfortunately, in order to follow said course, one has to be able to read what TMAN wrote.  And therein lies the problem.  These fuckers didn't come here to read; they came here to post.  And if thwarted in this activity, they certainly are not going to stick around long enough for an English lesson.  

They know just enough to answer the commonly-asked questions that make up the substance of most threads in Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, & Speculation.  They can rearrange the words in these responses just enough to make it look like a new response--but that's like rearranging turds in a mountain of shit.  It's all repulsive stuff, and if they weren't paid for it, they wouldn't be spreading the manure.  

Edit:  Here's a random example.
Look at the threads in Reputation that deal with my feedbacks.  What would normally be someone laying out a logical case of inappropriate feedback turns into a ham-fisted murdering of the English language that sounds like dialogue from the first comic book appearance of Bizarro Superman--and this is good evidence that when these people try to write something that isn't an answer to "How I can earn btcz?" or "Bitcoin is life", they are lost.  They cannot muster enough English-language coherence to even state their case that they did not commit [Insert Bitcointalk Transgression Here] and hence the red trust I left is in error.

Sometimes I laugh; sometimes it's annoying.  When I hear someone say they're going to rage-quit BCT, I'm elated.  And eventually when I start seeing Jr. Members with 500 activity, I'll know we've arrived in the promised land because of the merit system.

People care so much for their rank,  but I guess my friend is right when he says rank also help you gain more stakes on signature campaign because after the Bounty END you will wait At least a month before you can join another signature again,  so I think having a big pays on the campaign is also obtain by having merit to rank, so is it okay to ask my friend to rate some of my post soon? It's like from range ofn1 to 10 rate my post and give me merit, will that be okay?

in essence the new rules want to create a quality post, and useful for bitcoin users .. so enjoy the rules and learn with new rules,during your posting quality you dont worry about merit

More aggressive approach to spammers but surely that would also come with some "problems", possibly. One of them would be how much can you demerit someone, would it just be the polar opposite of meriting or not? Also, someone with just 3 alt-accounts could possibly bombard one user and quite possibly lower them for a rank or two, depending on the circumstances.

But surely, posts like this one:


should receive demerit, but if you ask me, one "demerit" button that would automatically deduct merit count by 1 would be just enough.

It seems like the best course of action is to follow tman's guide, as you linked. We would all be in a happier place if newcomers just followed the advice given in these threads

That sort of annoying, lazy users should spend several minutes to look at the following topics:
TMAN's guide to getting merits (by TMAN)
Tips – Guides for forum search (by coly20032003)
The English language improvement thread (by Jet Cash)
Full Member thanks to merit system (by iasenko)
If they don't want to do this, or feel something like don't have time to read those ones (maybe due to have to spend most of their time to spam the forum with their shits, to beg for merits, to get money from campaigns, and so on.); I highly recommend they should leave the forum and find other ones that don't have strict ranking requirements like merit system.

Maybe you should step away from your computer, stretch, and go out into the real world for a few minutes.  I guarantee you'll find one thing after another, each more ridiculous than the last--and far more so than the merit system on bitcointalk.
Word.

what else can you say about my post?I'm open to all your comments and suggestions.

This qualifies for -1

Really? I don't think so . At least Merit system help preventing all shitposter can get to higher rank in the future . For example, you're a oneline shitposter and you'll stuck forever at Member rank or maybe you can reach to Full Member rank if you improve your post quality or cheat Merit system. LOL. You can try but I think you already know what will happen with your account if you cheat this system

Wow, you gave this opinion just after making 3 posts here ? At least make 30-40 quality posts and then if you do not get merit, then you can say that it is difficult to get merits. In my opinion, it is not hard to become a member as it requires only 10 merits. Admin said that initially he wanted it to keep 1 merit for member level but then he thought that it would be too easy. Also, some members already became members from junior members with merits earned after the merit system and thus it is surely possible.

merit isn't so cool.

it's just some random number underneath your activity field. who cares.

And also u get a green title on top of your post title when you're merited.

and that's it.

And here people are acting like it's some kind of precious gift from heaven LOL. these geeks.

We're all here telling the truth. It's true that every opening Meta always has this kind of topic.
I will try to straighten out. Actually we all who are here just want you to be better again without creating a thread that is not useful anymore. because outside there is the same topic with your topic. Hopefully you will be aware and become better.

You get merit for your quality posts, but when you create your quality posts, unsure that your post will be noticed, when you your posts are noticed, nothing assure that you will be merited.
so merit system is the most ridiculous thing I have ever known

In my opinion, merits system cannot prevent spam and shit posting, the only way to eliminate spam is remove signature campaign.

I really want to get Merit, but Merit is too hard to get.

yeah, i thought it so too. Even if I make quality posts, they wont notice it. I just really hipe that someone might notice them.

What stops a member from spamming the forum after he has become a member ? These habits will not go and they exploit every such opportunity irrespective of their rank. Best solution is to completely remove all the signature campaigns from here. If they want to reward the users, it should be based on the number of merits achieved by a member irrespective of his current rank.

Well i dont have conclusion what the help of merit. But I can live with that. Yes forum user maybe unhappy and happy , someone think its not necessary and other think it is. So for now wait that the forum creator will do a conclusion for that problem

I would really like the ability to issue demerits. I want to give out a minus one to low quality efforts that beg for merit. 

No, it won't. The merit system only can significantly reduce the number of spammers to move up to higher positions in the forum through their spamming threads. However, the system can not reduce spamming threads. Why is this? With current rules of the forum, newbies (sometimes) and Junior members can still join signature campaigns, therefore they will keep publishing shitty posts. The spamming endemic will only ended if Theymos launch new rules which completely prohibit newbies and Junior members to wear signature codes and don't allow them to join signature campaigns. Only Member and above can join. If this one be implemented, spamming will come to the end soon.

I think in the long-term the merit system will lower the spam, I'm sure of that.

yes with a merit system in the controversy, there are happy and many are not sika with reward sisitem, they have their own reasons, the reason that likes the merit system will reduce spam, while those who do not like the merit system because many are trapped in pringkat. it all depends on the respective assessment

Proof that merit system doesnt prevent spamming. Everyone now will be making new thread duplicates, copy-pasting articles, hoping to get some merit off of it.

Agree! Merit system can not directly prevent spamming endemic in the forum, but the system will be able to prevent spammers to rank up to higher levels in the forum. Furthermore, due to its hindrance on spammers' ranking process, it might reduce their nummber of spamming threads (just might occur, and reduce, not prevent entirely).

Sir...I have seen your post on some threads and it seems that you've been putting some users to ignore if they're shitposting. I just want to ask, does putting them into ignore benefits us? Or its just yourself? Because if it is I'll also put some accounta into ignore especially on some sections that I've been visiting that has so many shitposters.
(Some one can report this as a non off topic and be deleted, its ok for me... It's just that I think Mr. JET CASH also ignores messages from other people...)

If you dont want this kind of topic,make your own topic.

Your words sound like the merit system released difficult requirements so that you are not able to earn merits by yourself. Can you really make a high quality, constructive thread to earn merits? If you can't, you should leave the forum and find somewhere else that is more appropriate for you and has more comfortable rules. Merit system was created to control spammers to rank up to higher positions in the forum. Therefore, there is no probability that Theymos will give each user specific number of merits based on their time spent (online) in the forum. It doesn't make sense and violates original objectives of merit system.
It will never happen. Please forget it!
Merit system has changed and will continue changing the forum, control spammers  and let them stucked at their current low ranks.

Why you people are too lazy to backread?? There are so many threads regarding this topic. Every time I opened meta section, I always see this kind of topic

I am also agree ,the merit system isn't preventing spamming.It will create another platform,where who have more merit can sold their merit and the one who is merit source can give the merit to their fav member or what he will like.

There should some other parameter also to generate the merit like after some time,there will automatically credit some merit.but UR post is good then u can earn early and improve ur rank early.
There is also some benefit for giving merit to others.

all of these latest policies do have a positive and negative impact. The positivity prevents spamming while the negative impact is hard to get a higher rank. So try to make a quality post and benefit everyone

Thank you for the reply to my post,I appreciates it

What is new in this topic except the [NEW] that you used in the title. You are just repeating what has been told here multiple times already by a number of members in the meta section. There is no harm in opening a new thread about merit system but it should be done only if you something new to add.

Even expecting some merits for your posts is not bad but do not let is affect your post quality negatively. You should put more effort because of this instead of just copying what worked for a member in past.

Well, another shit newcomers who simply tried publishing shitty topic with unrealistic hope to earn merits by someone's compassionation.
But the fact is this guy will never get any merit in the topic.
This guy should change attitude, should contribute to the forum, stop crying and complaining.

Best regards,

I think some people are trying to figure out how to attract attention, maybe they can get merits.

They're all for this post as well which is just copy and pasting an article (which is properly attributed but it's in English in the Filipino board):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31959382

These sorts of posts really shouldn't be getting merit as it'll just encourage users to copy and paste articles to get merit instead of having to actually write anything themselves.

In my opinion those people are either alternate accounts of a banned member or maybe account farmers.
If you are here to earm money by spamming the whole forum then i doubt anyone will give you merit for that. But if you put effort into the post you're going to make.

I am sorry but I disagree with it, I don't think the solution for not receiving merit should be reporting your posts. I have lost count of the posts I have made supplying links to videos, websites and useful articles that were the answer to the question being asked. I didn't receive any merit for it.

I am 100% in agreement that the quality of the posts should be improved, but the wrong method is being used, and it is a method that can create a little "mafia" of a few people who agree to merit each other, even if they publish plain BS.

I have already being contacted on Telegram by fellow forum members asking to exchange merit "to help each other out" and I told them I am not interested in playing dirty tricks just because I dislike the merit system, so I know what I am talking about.

A better moderation is what is TRULY needed: not a system left in the hands of the members who could just end up allying themselves for their own benefit as I just said above and exchange merit that is not really deserved.

When I say better moderation I mean something like "if you post crap I will delete your post and give you a warning, and if you receive more than four warnings for the same reason (posting crap) at the 5th warning your account gets banned PERMANENTLY".

It's just that plain easy. This current merit system is unfair to newbies and is the best fuel for creating "mafia clans" among members.

So, although the problem is real the wrong solution is being adopted.

Just my two cents, of course.

I agreed, OP's posts is more similar to this guy https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bilipus-1116027 with a topic here in meta section with "only 5 merit to member!!!"  title which mostly contributes in bounties and some posts with one and two liner posts like to the OP.
To OP, yes it is sad that merit existed because it is now more difficult to rank up, but it is worth it. Making constructive posts (with English language) WILL NOT ONLY benefit this forum but also will benefit ourselves. Just try to understand.

And also, please be aware of this

I don't think you guys will do nothing if your post is good enough but still don't get any merit ). There are a lot of competition topic about Merit, if you feel your posts are good enough, you just need to report your post in these topic and you'll receive Merit for your posts, as I remember actmyname also run a topic like this, you'll get 20 Merit if your 20 rencent posts is good enough )). Stop complaining about Merit anymore.

Op I hate to say it but your posts are poor, this is a shitpost. You really need to want to improve the quality of the forum to rank up. This will mean educating yourself in the English language further, but don't worry it will not be for no results, as at the same time you can read the forum and learn about bitcoin. In the 3-6 months it takes to improve your English skills you will in tandem become a Bitcoin expert (notice I don't include Altcoins or ICO's there) when you come back to posting if you take my advise you will gain merits at a rate similar to the current activity ranks - so you may be 6 months behind but you will not be limited by merits.

If you don't understand the concept then my post is wasted on you and the merit system was integrated to purge posters like you, if you do get it then great I have indirectly assisted one shitposter in converting to a quality posting member of the community.

Obviously the merit system isn't preventing spamming.

I've put you on ignore for creating redundant duplicate threads.

More people unhappy for the merits system, Because many Members stuck their rank because of merits required, but many Members are happy about it for the reason to prevent low post and spamming so they use merits system,but even if you make a quality post you cannot avoid having your post unnoticed because there so many post in the thread,but don't lose hope because someday they will be notice the post we made and we're not the only one like this because many also Members seek to have merits to be able to rank up,that why start now and make your own post.