Topic: Merit System hits me hard. (Read 1002 times)

what is the relevance of merit system to ranking system? I tthought that only posting in the threads could help you rank up your account. Well if its for the good of this system then it should be implemented. I wonder how to get a merit system. This could be hard for the newbie like me. In fact I am already intimidated with merit system. I could not bare this to my mind that it is so obvious that geeting merit points would be so hard. And the possibilities also that those establish account had greater chance to get the merit system since they know already how the bitcoin system works. Meaning to say that they are more knowledgable and could hit the ideas of the threads to be posted.

That's that catch if this newly implemented merit system. Unlucky for some who are nearly to rank up to next level. However, this merit system really needs to be implemented to clean up and prevent this forum from being filled with useless posts.

Lol, but this forum was gift for legendaries  who did shit posts and today you should kiss in ass them for give you merits! If you will try to saying them something then you will be trust marked

Got your opinion bro, im not that greedy it just that I expected so much that ill become a sr member but that expectation leads to disappointment. and about that why i am anticipating for high pay lately is because i really need some money to fund my thesis project in school.-
Yup there are somepeople does it in a negative way, perfect example: shitposters, spammers, and especially account farmers.
but i know with this system it can lessen the one who pollutes this forum.

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I already moved on bro, and it is time for us to be more productive and be more informative for others to learn for us like how we learn in the experts here in bitcointalk community.

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just want to add something on my thread, I want to conclude something.

why i am sad in the past because i really expected to rank up since im so close to it and yet it didnt happened, expectation leads to disappointment. (But im okay now and back to normal)
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why i am seeking to rank?
Because to be able to receive high pay for bounties to fund my school needs and thesis.
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To everyone who shared thoughts in this thread thank you for your time and opinions it made me recover faster from disappointment.

It's a matter of all members with rankings below Sr. Member. Basically, this is not profitable for us, but it's also a nice change, if we just stay in the bounty section, we never get the reward for getting ranked, we have to learn something, contribute to this forum. Because, this forum not only has a part of the gift. There are many things that need to be learned in this forum. You can go to Altcoins, a Bitcoin discussion or a trading section to learn more, this is very useful. in the same state at the moment and I'm pretty sure Merit will not solve the problem they want to solve.

You have a mistake my friend.There are low ranked that like it (alt accounts of high ranked)

Oh bro!!I am able to understand your sorrows. Because,I was also expecting for my activity to increase so that my ranks up.Ranks up means high pays in bounties!!Well said.I loved your equation. But it's true.

I think merit system is a brilliant step.It can prevent unnecessary and shitposting.There are some people who does unexpected and such posts which are not related to the topic. They post on to increase their activity so that they can be ranked up and earn more and more bitcoin.You can tell this was injustice and we were lagging behind for them.But as the merit system comes,those persons cannot be ranked up so easily that they did before.They have to contribute to the forum and their posts cannot be worthless. If so,they won't be ranked up.

But for you,me and other like us have to suffer a little but I think if we can increase our post quality,we won't have to suffer anymore....

This makes me think that you are greedy. No offence though.


But I do understand because it gets harder and harder to earn bitcoins nowadays.
And I do believe that payments keep people and users attach to the forum but some does it in a negative way.

Well, I find it not necessary to bring this up for people who's  intention is for the development of the forum as well as bitcoin.
Suggesting that we should just be contented of what we are earning now and we will be still here in the future.

Well it easy for newbies here to rank up and earn the merit they deserve for the next ranks just by making an effort on each post and replies they make. I think the merit system is a good way for people to stop going on this forum just to earn money rather than sharing information about what happening each cryptos they held and about to buy. But I agree with you that this merit system won't me a long term solution since selling merit can be an choice for those greedy bastards.
Exactly this thing happened to all members especially those low ranks such as Full Member below. Anyway, since you are new here maybe try to make your English better because it's "Lose" not "Loose". I hope this is just a typographical error since there are a lot of DT out there that are strict about these stuffs.

This happened to all the members I guess and thus all are on same boat. I am new here so I think I got nothing to loose here. Hoping to reach desired merit points to reach next level.

Yea but how many give honor/commend? I mean, personally, I don't care too much as I am already high rank but it does seem a bit hard on newbies if they are genuinely trying to rank up. I always said the solution was to make all signature campaigns have a stricter manager, there were plenty of strict campaigns that had little to zero spammers. Now although it's going to be harder to rank up, people are still going to spam and post the same stupid shit, all the accounts that were already high rank are still high rank. I don't see it as a long term solution. Not to mention the possibility of selling merits.

Well ofcourse bro being negative wont get us anywhere, it will just cause pain in the head which is a stressful one. Making thesis and constant researching is a serious work and stressful so i dont want to add more stress in my mind. Goodluck on your thesis too!

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I almost misread the reply of The Pharmacist, i thought it was pertaining to me good thing i re-read the quote.
But for someone who whats to ask why Ranking up is important to me right now because

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This system is still in early stage wait for it to be introduced more in the future before we give regards about it. but im postive that it wont end up like the league of legends kind of thing.
Maybe if you play dota2 tho, commending someone is not mandatory yet there are still people who commend others for playing good, and here in forum Merit-ing someone is not mandatory but others give merit to those who post informative and constructive topics and/or relevant to the topic.
(want to use game as reference too for you)

I don't know if it's really going to work out very well. Sure it will slow down people trying to farm accounts but how slow is it gonna be? League of legends, a videogame, introduced a system that was almost like this called honor and at first people did give honor to players however after a while it became irrelevant and people didn't give honor anymore, they were forced to almost force you to give honor prompting a screen after each game to give honor. What I'm saying is that eventually less and less people are going to give merit unless you are forced to.

I guess you had and we all had to register way back and to be active to be able to be high ranks now. It ain't fair in a sense that everything is harder now, but this is the fact we have to face if you want to participate in the forum. I don't know either if spamming will change, we might see less of it. Who knows maybe those on top simply want to make it harder to climb the rank ladder due to many new accounts ranking. I guess we have to follow the rules there is not much that we can do about it. Yeah it sucks to be near next rank and this hits you in your face.

Even now sometimes when you put much effort in your post it could get unnoticed if people don't read it or even if they wanted to award you with merit, they don't have sMerit to give.

You still have your account creation date and activity which can show to others how long are you involved here on forum tho


There is nothing bad with earning money while you are contributing here on forum. Why not when you have that option. Marketing is where the money is. Even if you look without signatures forum itself have adds to be able to sustain and pay for mods/server hosting etc. There's nothing bad being involved in marketing. The problem now is you have to post more frequently with every post being the best it can be and hope that somebody will notice and give you merit if your goal is to reach higher ranks, this can be time consuming by its own. On the other hand signature campaigns could give you motivation to hang around this forum for some people.

And I would ask why it's so important for you to rank up, and why it's so disappointing to you that you didn't just yet.

It might not feel comfortable for a lot of people having to wait until they get enough merit points to rank up, but that's exactly how this system is supposed to work.  It's supposed to slow the process down so that people won't be able to farm 1000 accounts in a specified period of time.  Introducing a quality factor here is fucking brilliant.  Yeah it might be annoying to a certain class of farmer/shitposters, but you can cry me a river on that one.  If your posts are such that you're waiting forever to get those merit points, you likely didn't deserve to rank up anyway. 

Just want to share my feelings about merit system here, just a few days before I am supposed to rank up as Member is the time the merit system was introduced. I feel really disappointed because my rank will be screwed as Jr Member until some members will merit me. It seems so impossible to get a meit from high ranked members because they are not obliged to do it. But I will not say I am against with it because I totally understand why they are doing this. But I hope it not be unfair to the new comers who are religiously posting constructive, informative, and no fouls words in the forum.

Campaigns are about promotion. Social media marketing is massive. Infact marketing is where most of the money goes from companies. Not paying salaries, not paying for research or equipment or rent or any of those things, most money is spent on advertising. Campaigns are advertising. You say the campaigns won't be around forever. So you saying marketing will just disappear and noone will ever need it? Please explain to me exactly how any company can go without marketing? I would love to know.

Glad to see a newbie giving more importance to forum quality than his rank.

for me a beginner merit system really makes me sad, but no problem for the forum progress

Well it is hard to earn it because we are at the early stage of the merit point system. What you said is true that merit point is limited, but the circulatory amount of it will be increased in a fast rate. How come so? Let me break it for you.
If 'merit sources' can make maximum 200 smerit point out of nothing (I don't know the exact number of how many points a 'source' can make per month), then that 200 point can be used up to 397-398 point (200+100+25+12+6+3+1=397 points) and if we have  40 'merit sources' then it will be up to 16000 points of smerit to distribute to other members. It is only from 'merit sources', all member with high rank has smerit that can be given too even thought it wont be replenished per month basis like 'merit sources' do, and if the maximum number of smerit from 'sources' is increased, we can see even higher number to be distributed among all the worthy posters.

DAMN , feels bad.
It's a bit the same at me too , I just needed 2 more days to be member but Merit .... lol 

They're trying to slow down the speed of ranking and the merit system is going pretty well with it.


It's obvious you're against merit. Just look on the text you typed, that's not the thing people would reply you with merit.

this system is also negative for me but I believe that after merit system posts are going to catch quality than now.

Thank you for handling each of the feedbacks here positively. I understand that you were caught off guard before, that's why you reacted that way towards the new system. I can see now how you changed your perspective in handling the situation and I do understand where you're coming from as well. Aside from learning about cryptocurrency, the reason why I joined this forum is to earn some Bitcoins so I can fund my thesis as well. Through what I earned from signature campaigns, I get to spend for my research without touching my savings which is truly a big help. Now that my research is nearing its end, I will still stay here in the forum for the sake of learning and sharing informations or opinions, the pay I will get is a bonus to the knowledge I will gain. Wishing you all the best for your thesis. Good luck, bro!

Yup i can understand your point brother and thank you for your honest opinion, i have genuine intentions toward this forum also i joined bounties to help me financially to cope up in what i need in school, because this year is my thesis year so i prolly need budget tho. But still im going to push myself further so that i can improve and polish my posts so that it can contribute well in this forum.

I would have to agree with pugman. The main reason why this forum is built is for all the members to express ideas and informations or help one another out when it comes to the aspects of Bitcoin and even other cryptocurrencies. This forum is not a platform solely made for earning money through signature campaigns. If you have genuine intentions towards this forum, the merit system would not bother you. It should inspire you to do better or just keep doing what you do if you believe that you have been constructively contributing to this forum. I understand that most people also felt the same way, but it's time to move on and work hard so that sooner or later you will get the merits that you'll need.

For most of the people here, they are very sad, because the upgrade is very difficult!

It's also hard to get Merit!

Well, the idea is very good. I'm just a bit afraid that it's very difficult to get some merit for newbies, as people tend to give more merits to hero members - as some of the people perhaps do not read posts/topics from newbies .. I've just created a new topic few hours ago with quite an interesting post (I hope), but only 10 people read it, nobody answered..

at the end it's the matter of time when we can actually enjoy the merit systems, good luck for you tho

You are still lucky because you're in a higher rank now compare to us who just came here late.
Its ok, don't focus much on making higher profit because as long as you earn it is still profit no matter what.
Now merit system gives this forum a quality users which can help many projects to promote.

Just enjoy this forum, and merit will come to you for sure.

We just need to adjust our level of posting here, now there's no easy way to earn higher rank. Your hard work will be paid off in the future and don't rush thing, this is just a new system and I know people will finally use their smerit. Everything is possible in the right time, let's just keep on learning here in the forum and just enjoy this new process.

well i know that feel, since one of my friend had the situations almost same like you ( he only need to wait another weeks more to become Sr. Member)
i really do agree with this , man when i saw my friend reactions after the merit systems come , it's really priceless lol.

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After all we all know this merit systems just like a "like" on facebook, an "upvote/karma" on reddit.
The different is merit has limit , AND THIS IS THE PROBLEMS here why it's hard to get merit

If now I would be on your position, maybe I would talk differently than now. Merit system is much more beneficial for old members. But I consider it as analogy of early Bitcoin investors/hodlers. These who invested 3-4 years ago when Bitcoin was worth few hundreds bucks, have much bigger profits than these who invested few months ago. Same with Bitcointalk - these who joined few years ago now reached high ranks.
But you shouldn't forget that many people came here not to earn money. They just discuss, follow news, educate themselves or helping to newbies. For these people Merit system and Ranks aren't that important, I think.

I'm in the same boat so I feel your pain, but I also understand the need for a change.  The merit system is obviously flawed but that doesn't mean it is broken.  It all depends on how the community ends up adopting it.  Don't worry too much about it and you will rank up eventually.

As far as earnings for ad campaigns, it is true that higher ranks can get paid well.  However it takes time to write quality posts and meet requirements.  To write a quality post, you also have to read the thread in which you are posting.  All of this takes time!  Maybe some poeple have better skills than me, but from my numbers, the time it takes to qualify for the ad campaign is always less than minimum wage.  So in other words it is a fun way to make a bit of extra cash, but I would be far better off getting any sort of job, slinging burgers, whatever.  Maybe it is different for the highest level accounts, I don't know because I never looked at those numbers.

@parodium, I disagree with a minimum monthly activity or face demotion.  This would force us to post and seek merit (=shitposting) and thus totally defeat the whole purpose.  If I don't have anything constructive to say, then I should not post.  A minimum will make me post whether or not I have anything good to say.

Did you really hope to be more lucky than others? LoL  Most of us will now raise in rank much slower than before, but this is the price to pay to keep this forum a place where it still makes sense to go. The demographic explosion of accounts and shitposting would have killed this forum in another year or less. The new rules will not stop shitposting, but at least they will not reward it - and this is a sensible progress in the ecology of this forum.

Dont be negative bro, merit system for me is effective way to solve things regarding shitposting and spamming since they cant get any merit from those post and eventually they will be fed up and stuck with their current rank.


Well not all low ranked members dont like this new system, because with this we can read more constructive post in different threads and gain some knowledge about it.


That is true sir, although to be honest i'm seeking a higher rank to achieve a higher payrate, yes i know it is hard to get merit but it is not impossible also, so i'll just continue to post like normal days and learn some more to broaden my knowledge here.

Im here to talk about bitcoin at the same time joining a campaign so to become more productive like two birds and one stone right? im not saying that i already moved on, if i were already moved on i'll not post this topic.
PS: Anyway stated at my post 'sharing my inner feelings.'

Rank has nothing to do with this fucking forum. If you're really here to talk about bitcoin, then rank should be of your least concern. Campaigns won't exist forever, what will you do after that?
Though you're saying you have "moved on" after the merit system has clashed your dreams and fantasies to a sad reality, it really doesn't look like you have moved on..

People who do not seek a rank, usually merit will come without being expect since their post mostly genuine and not being force by any campaign.
But if you're try to seek a higher rank it means that you're try to achieve something , usually higher payrate or account sales , IMO it will be difficult to get merit.

Hard to get Merit ?

It's difficult : YES

It's impossible : NO

I fell you dude now i supposed to be a full member now but i keep in silent because we have nothing to do just obey the rule that they given to us, besides it gives a good reflections to our beloved forum. I understand those members here in forum starting with Member to Sr. member
that the hardest part to have rank up, lucky for those member here that having a high rank like Hero to Legendary.
Let's move on and accept the reality on merit system were just like a small puppy barking on a Lion. LOL


I know sir your not because your rank is just enough here when we talk of profit.
How about us? But that's okay as what i have said let's move on.

Honestly, I believe that all full members and above should be demoted a rank if they do not maintain at least 10/20 merit per month for the first three months of the new system (barring those who were totally inactive). As it appears that people who just missed the implementation of merit have an unfair advantage over those who were pending a rank up after the new system was in place. Perhaps the monthly merit requirement could be tiered, e.g. full member (5), sr member (10) and hero member (20).

By having a minimum monthly merit requirement, this would demote those who don't deserve their current rank under the new rules. I also think the list of excluded users should be longer (possibly green trusted hero/legendaries?) but this is just a quite thought of the top of my head.

I'm full support you because i have same situation. I registered on forum 7 months ago and still have 140 posts because I didn't shitposts. But I could be trash poster like another sr.members and legendary with 10k posts + without constructive things. Now I should beg for merit from "Autority people" . I think this forum should delete .org and take .com because they use same regulation like and any regulators against those who use bitcoins. It's system same like pyramid, guy who first sat down on throne that work less than next guy.
Need set to zero all Merits from all users and then everybody will work hard.

Why you didn't posted in one of the many already existing threads about Merit system? Is it still not enough threads that you had to create new one?
When Merit system was introduced, I only had to get 19 activity to get chance to become Legendary member. Now I also will need to get almost 500 Merit points. I'm disappointed? No. Hero or Legendary member, it's not really big difference for me. But I understand why new members feeling frustrated. Anyway, if you will post good content, you will get more or less Merits and you will reach high rank one day. And don't forget to give sMerit to other users, there is no point to hold all your sMerit untouched.
 I general, this system have more benefits than disadvantages. Something similar has to be done in fight with spam. We only need to wait some time ti see, how efdective this Merit system will be.

Merit is new system to this forum and you know that it implanted for remove garbage and spam from this forum.i can understand your feeling very well but you can use to with this system very soon.And after use to with this system you can easily get the merit and acheive your sr.member rank.



Merit will solve all the problems very soon.so keep posting as your usuall ways and Don't worry about merit.
I think merit will not create uses.i think it will solve the all isues.Now all members need to do qualify posts for rank up so i think it's helpful for all members and forum too.

To me it looks like the ones that already has a high rank likes merit because they got a great number of free merit and also don't need to rank up.
While us new members don't have any merit and hardly gets any even if we post great quality posts.

To conclude:
- High ranked members like merit
- Low ranked members do not

Agreed! Merit will not solve the problem but rather it will create a lot of issues including those members that should rank up today.

Hi bro.Let me share feelings with you.
Im in same state at the moment and I'm pretty sure Merit wont solve the problem they are trying to solve.

The ones who can not proficiently and knowledgeable enough to write constructive, high-qualitied, useful threads should not be ranked up to higher ranks. Sorry about those likely offensive words.

Dont worry too much, keep joining the forum, keep contributing, keep writing constructive posts, keep helping others to solve their issues; then lots of sMerits will come to your account.

I also understand your disappointed feelings, just fell away some days and that led to very different story. Hope you can ranks up soon.

that is problem of all member with rank below Sr. Member. basically, it's unlucky for us, but it's also a good change, if we just only stay in bounty section, we never get merit for rank up, we must go out to learn things, contribute to this forum. Because, this forum don't has only bounty section. There are lots of things to learn in this forum. You can go to Altcoins, Bitcoin discussion or trade section to learn more, it's very useful.

Im open for criticism, so i wont take it the heart the hard words you said.
I get your point but still i know to myself that im not really against in this system and im just going to continue what im doing  .


Yup, merit system also implemented to lessen account farmers that selling potential high rank account. Im really optimistic about it because it is hard to get merit so spammers will be discouraged to spam more since they wont get anything with shitpost

The merit system was introduced to stop bounty spammers from polluting the forum, and hopefully it will achieve that eventually.

Shut the fuck up already. Beloved forum,my foot you think of such. Just fuck off,will you?
If you want to earn more,get this ,post well,and you shall be rewarded with merit. Simple as that. Why do you have to com here bitching about the fact "you are not against the merit system"shit but clearly your state of mind says otherwise.

Well as you can see my activity is now 252 which is equivalent to Sr. Member. Since early january i'm excited to become sr member because high rank = high pay in bounty as we all know. But due to merit system is being implemented i dont know when will i be able to reach sr member, but im not against the merit system because i can see the potential of it in the future, to reduce account farmers and shitposters in our beloved forum. I just feel sad because my expectation to become sr member wont happen sooner. Just want to share my inner feelings. lol

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Edit: (can find this also at the last part of my last comment)
just want to add something on my thread, I want to conclude something.

why i am sad in the past because i really expected to rank up since im so close to it and yet it didnt happened, expectation leads to disappointment. (But im okay now and back to normal)
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why i am seeking to rank?
Because to be able to receive high pay for bounties to fund my school needs and thesis.
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To everyone who shared thoughts in this thread thank you for your time and opinions it made me recover faster from disappointment.