At first I thought that the OP was addressing the problems ongoing about members and there alts cheating the system. But then I read his potential solution which is creating a new board for merit sources to see members who wants to to rank up fast. Which gives me the conclusion that it is not all about the corruption after all but about ranking up fast, he didn't brialliantly hid the fact that he is getting a hard time receiving merits while worthless ANN threads are getting dozens or even hundreds of Merits.
I agree, they give their merits to a succesful campaign managers not for a HQ post but for successful campaigns that doesn't serve these purpose. It hoops down the credibility not only for the system implemented but also to the high rank members who was given the task to execute it. Maybe this is one of the reason why some new members are ended in spamming to show their disappointment. 
Topic: Merit system is corrupted. Need upgrade with changes . (Read 349 times)
I wouldn't read it - I'd just think they were a bunch of beggars. 
You might be right. Those will claim for merit they are begger. But I make sound about corruption. How possible reduce it. I think we need to think about it.
The simple fact is that no policy implemented can be perfect there is no way and it's because it was made for people to use and their behavior cannot be predicted and defined by codes. I want to believe that at the time when the trust system was implemented, it was as if its going to solve the whole problem but just a fraction. When the forum admin stops giving ads space to ICOs, it seems that would end the era of scam ICOs but it didn't. Now the merit system, even though to me, its serving its purpose, a lot of people still will find fault in it. My suggestion, let it play out when its time for it to be reviewed it would and for those who believes they are to cheat the system with it, they can only use it once after its exhausted, it does not matter again.
At first I thought that the OP was addressing the problems ongoing about members and there alts cheating the system. But then I read his potential solution which is creating a new board for merit sources to see members who wants to to rank up fast. Which gives me the conclusion that it is not all about the corruption after all but about ranking up fast, he didn't brialliantly hid the fact that he is getting a hard time receiving merits while worthless ANN threads are getting dozens or even hundreds of Merits.
Your suggestions is a very good one. If there's a separate thread where people can come and voice out that they're good posters and their posting history gets reviewied for ranking up, I think it will be good as it will give everyone who feels sidelined by the merit system an opportunity to atone for it.
I wouldn't read it - I'd just think they were a bunch of beggars.
Your suggestions is a very good one. If there's a separate thread where people can come and voice out that they're good posters and their posting history gets reviewied for ranking up, I think it will be good as it will give everyone who feels sidelined by the merit system an opportunity to atone for it.
I appreciate them those are given merit for HQ post. But question is there is enough time to find HQ poster for merit source or merit holder? How a quality poster get attention to merit source or merit holder ?
To be honest, you didn't understand the merit system at all. You are on the wrong boat.
Here no one is going to find a high quality poster and merit him/her.
How merit will be given?
For example, I need some information on "how merit systems work'. For learning this, I need to check theymos thread on merits or other thread. So, if I got satisfied with an answer, I will merit him.
That's how merit works actually. It's nothing to find someone who post good quality and merit his/her post.
In a word, merit can be compared to "Like button" on facebook.
I am also to be honest you are not yet understand what I mean and what I want to explain. Try to read again my thread and understand before you comment. I am not asking here about how merit system work. I am asking about corrupted system. I think you also make thread on reputation about merit abuse. So why you make thread ? If every thing going fair?
Your post about merit abuse : http://archive.is/RGeWt
Seems like you didn't notice my quoted line.
Please don't try to be oversmart. You have to study more English.
I will appreciate if you have any suggestion for me. Currently, I am continuously writing in a blog for improving my skill in English.Do you know about merit source? Is merit source need to search for post ? So how they came merit source ? If they need to search something on forum. If not search so how will find HQ post ?
You have been merited 4 times. That doesn't mean someone searched for HQ posts and got your post.
Finding a HQ post is not the job of a merit source. If it was a job, every quality poster would be merited. Forum is a place where different kind of people join for different purpose. People with the interest of what is happening in bitcointalk forum deserve to be a merit source, not a people who is here for earning only.
If someone has real interest in bitcointalk forum, he will definitely go through most of the HQ posts. So, of course, if something can attract his eye, will be merited.
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Please don't try to be oversmart. You have to study more English.
Would appreciate if you had a look on your own post. 
I don't think people should be wasting them on bounty threads but there's no rule to say they can't, but hopefully people will realise that doing so is mostly pointless and their merits would be better sent elsewhere.
Enlightened self-interest means that they don't consider the awards wasted, even though it is destructive to the forum. This is why I am considering creating some personal file to avoid feeding the sub-culture here.
I'm thinking of starting a list of members who give merit to spammers and shitposters. That way I can avoid giving them merit and feeding their sub-culture.
Absolutely you can make thread, those are abuse merit system we can post there. At least some thing is better then nothing. On the other hand every body will know merit abuser to stay away give merit them. I have post myself about merit abusing. But there is no action. That's my question. Even they are not punished , no problem. But those are working hard to make QH post, at least trying. We should give them chance, so that they will be more interested to keep this forum spam free and make more HQ post.
As long as people have free will then they are going to give merit to whatever posts they like and they're isn't really anyway you can police this really as it's purely subjective. Sure, people should probably only be giving them to helpful or informative posts but a lot of users seem to be just using merit as a 'like' button, and that's usually what seems to be happening with bounty threads (or they're just trying to kiss ass so they get chosen or something). I don't think people should be wasting them on bounty threads but there's no rule to say they can't, but hopefully people will realise that doing so is mostly pointless and their merits would be better sent elsewhere.
For this reasons people getting merit on shitpost. Even they are getting merit for reporting on bounty and replay for ANN. It dose not matter they are not punished for that . But are you think that bounty report can be HQ post?
I think not. So what you think if some one received 20/30/40 or 50 merit on bounty replay post. This is not call corrupt?
I'm thinking of starting a list of members who give merit to spammers and shitposters. That way I can avoid giving them merit and feeding their sub-culture.
For example, I need some information on "how merit systems work'. For learning this, I need to check theymos thread on merits or other thread. So, if I got satisfied with an answer, I will merit him.
That's how merit works actually. It's nothing to find someone who post good quality and merit his/her post.
In a word, merit can be compared to "Like button" on facebook.
That's how merit works actually. It's nothing to find someone who post good quality and merit his/her post.
In a word, merit can be compared to "Like button" on facebook.
Do you know about merit source? Is merit source need to search for post ? So how they came merit source ? If they need to search something on forum. If not search so how will find HQ post ?
You have a good suggestion but I dont think that can be effective too. Let us just wait for what will happen next year after here.
I appreciate them those are given merit for HQ post. But question is there is enough time to find HQ poster for merit source or merit holder? How a quality poster get attention to merit source or merit holder ?
To be honest, you didn't understand the merit system at all. You are on the wrong boat.
Here no one is going to find a high quality poster and merit him/her.
How merit will be given?
For example, I need some information on "how merit systems work'. For learning this, I need to check theymos thread on merits or other thread. So, if I got satisfied with an answer, I will merit him.
That's how merit works actually. It's nothing to find someone who post good quality and merit his/her post.
In a word, merit can be compared to "Like button" on facebook.
I am also to be honest you are not yet understand what I mean and what I want to explain. Try to read again my thread and understand before you comment. I am not asking here about how merit system work. I am asking about corrupted system. I think you also make thread on reputation about merit abuse. So why you make thread ? If every thing going fair?
Your post about merit abuse : http://archive.is/RGeWt
Can you answer why you make this thread ?
Please don't try to be oversmart. You have to study more English.
So it works. But you want to change it anyway? I don't get that
I appreciate them those are given merit for HQ post. But question is there is enough time to find HQ poster for merit source or merit holder? How a quality poster get attention to merit source or merit holder ?
To be honest, you didn't understand the merit system at all. You are on the wrong boat.
Here no one is going to find a high quality poster and merit him/her.
How merit will be given?
For example, I need some information on "how merit systems work'. For learning this, I need to check theymos thread on merits or other thread. So, if I got satisfied with an answer, I will merit him.
That's how merit works actually. It's nothing to find someone who post good quality and merit his/her post.
In a word, merit can be compared to "Like button" on facebook.
For this reasons people getting merit on shitpost. Even they are getting merit for reporting on bounty and replay for ANN.
Honestly, I don't get this point too. Why on earth would any sensible person merit the OP of any signature campaign? Could there be anything HQ about a signature campaign OP to deserve a merit if not that they who are sending such merits are greedy shitposters who are only out for their bellies worth and in the excitement of seeing a campaign floated (after a long stretch) splash merit on it? I think the DT members should start tagging such people for abuse.
TLDR: O.P if it clearly shows that you have a hard time earning merit just spend your time to do something important whether (online or offline). complaining and whining entitled as a bad character of this community.
Let the forum rot inside but do everything in your power to save our community.
In this time of our existence no one force us to join in this community it is ourselves dwelling for the new era of payments.
I apologize if I am wrong. I just share current situation.
Apology accepted like I am the owner of this forum. However you need not to worry about the situation we all witnessing the same experience consecutively every weeks.Let the forum rot inside but do everything in your power to save our community.
In this time of our existence no one force us to join in this community it is ourselves dwelling for the new era of payments.
Many changes are required in merit system in my opinions as well :
1) With current format, it is working good in terms of encouraging new members to make good posts to get merits. But the spammers who are here to promote fraud projects, growing accounts to sell later and not affected.
2) One of the most important benefit that I believed should have been reducing the useless spam, irrelevant and repetitive posts in discussions. That problem is not solved at all even after merit system. This makes finding good replies harder.
1) With current format, it is working good in terms of encouraging new members to make good posts to get merits. But the spammers who are here to promote fraud projects, growing accounts to sell later and not affected.
2) One of the most important benefit that I believed should have been reducing the useless spam, irrelevant and repetitive posts in discussions. That problem is not solved at all even after merit system. This makes finding good replies harder.
Your point is right. Even some one promoting scam project at the same time they also build their account rank by getting merit. So I believe this system should consider for upgrade again for fair merit system.
Many changes are required in merit system in my opinions as well :
1) With current format, it is working good in terms of encouraging new members to make good posts to get merits. But the spammers who are here to promote fraud projects, growing accounts to sell later and not affected.
2) One of the most important benefit that I believed should have been reducing the useless spam, irrelevant and repetitive posts in discussions. That problem is not solved at all even after merit system. This makes finding good replies harder.
1) With current format, it is working good in terms of encouraging new members to make good posts to get merits. But the spammers who are here to promote fraud projects, growing accounts to sell later and not affected.
2) One of the most important benefit that I believed should have been reducing the useless spam, irrelevant and repetitive posts in discussions. That problem is not solved at all even after merit system. This makes finding good replies harder.
You don't need to do any of that. All you need to do is to read the threads all over the forum that offer help to quality posters, and you need to act on the advice. The board is littered with threads and post by people whingeing about the merit system, but it is significant that very few of them can actually be bothered to take the advice to improve their posting.
Vision was for merit reduce spam and shitpost. Yes it's success.
Then nothing else matters. Over time all will be fine.However, taking some hard actions against merit abusers will alert the abusers a lot. They won't dare to abuse merit. Merit abusers are giving silly excuses and saving their ass.
I appreciate merit system to reduce spamming from forum. Of course it was implemented for reduce spam and shitpost. Some how it's useful for forum reputation. Merit system keep role to avoid shitpost and spam. But now a days merit system become corrupted by merit abuser. You can check on reputation board. There is many thread about abuse merit system.
I appreciate them those are given merit for HQ post. But question is there is enough time to find HQ poster for merit source or merit holder? How a quality poster get attention to merit source or merit holder ?
For this reason people getting merit on shitpost. Even they are getting merit for reporting on bounty and replay for ANN. It dose not matter they are not punished for that . But are you think that bounty report can be HQ post?
I think not. So what you think if some one received 20/30/40 or 50 merit on bounty replay post. This is not call corrupt?
So what about who have make quality post and he didn't received merit ? You will find reputation section many merit abuse thread. This thread only those are caught. But there are many abuser that not yet caught. And it's not possible to find.
Vision was for merit reduce spam and shitpost. Yes it's success. But how many percent it's success? Do you think it's need to upgrade again ? I think it's important to upgrade. Otherwise a good person or quality poster can't change their rank on his life time.
The reason is this thread, even we can't stop corruption but you should consider merit system for HQ poster.
I have no much ideas how it can upgrade. But what I think , at least open a new board or section that for claim upgrade rank. So those are think he made quality post and he deserve for rank up or merit, he can apply. In a result those is merit source and merit holder, they can simply check & review their profile, they are deserve for rank up or not.
I apologize if I am wrong. I just share current situation.
I don't know this is right place for this thread or not. If need move you can suggest.
I appreciate them those are given merit for HQ post. But question is there is enough time to find HQ poster for merit source or merit holder? How a quality poster get attention to merit source or merit holder ?
For this reason people getting merit on shitpost. Even they are getting merit for reporting on bounty and replay for ANN. It dose not matter they are not punished for that . But are you think that bounty report can be HQ post?
I think not. So what you think if some one received 20/30/40 or 50 merit on bounty replay post. This is not call corrupt?
So what about who have make quality post and he didn't received merit ? You will find reputation section many merit abuse thread. This thread only those are caught. But there are many abuser that not yet caught. And it's not possible to find.
Vision was for merit reduce spam and shitpost. Yes it's success. But how many percent it's success? Do you think it's need to upgrade again ? I think it's important to upgrade. Otherwise a good person or quality poster can't change their rank on his life time.
The reason is this thread, even we can't stop corruption but you should consider merit system for HQ poster.
I have no much ideas how it can upgrade. But what I think , at least open a new board or section that for claim upgrade rank. So those are think he made quality post and he deserve for rank up or merit, he can apply. In a result those is merit source and merit holder, they can simply check & review their profile, they are deserve for rank up or not.
I apologize if I am wrong. I just share current situation.
I don't know this is right place for this thread or not. If need move you can suggest.
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