Topic: Merit System Suggestion Update (Read 1060 times)

That limit is already set at 50 per month.

The OP clearly stated that this is not a whining about the merit system, So that I like the fact that this is only a suggestion.
I personally like the merit system too its an effective way to stop those farmers, on the other side I can see that the OP is right about sMerit system being the problem here.
I see those reply that it is hard for the admins to distribute the bounty and if its automatically distributed it can also cause spam and that right.
I think the best way for this problem is to assign high rank trusted members in distributing merits, 1 or 2 person in every section can monitor the post easily it is to appraise all those high quality and helpful content and no one will be ignored wether its high rank or low rank. In this way we can reduce the post about being unfair of the merit distribution and it can motivate new members to be a good member in the community.
-less spammer
-less farmer
- increases the quality of the post of each member
-less problem about whining (im sure that only shitpeople will still cry)
-fair to all
-no headache for the admins 

Actually things like that can be seen very clearly, I'm sure the mod here has a special formula to crack down on such things. In addition, our active role to report to the administrator becomes a very good thing, it can reduce the work burden and the target of unfair people will be easier to know. We want to create a system that is comfortable for everyone, it can be done if there is support from everyone. we as users of forums and mod as people who have the authority to crack down on unfair people and commit fraud to increase their merit point.

I don't agree with your suggestion. Don't make my opinion too harsh or negative because we have our own opinions. 

First, see how many admins do we have in this forum and with this number of users and the number of posts everyday they will not gonna do it. They will not check every thread every day and see if there is a merit-eligible post in that thread.

Second, I like the sMerit system because we can share our merits to everyone and at the same time we help them to rank up too. Yes there might be some users who are abusing it but as far as I know, there are some users here hunting the merit abusers and the admins punish them thru temporary ban or permanent ban.

When I first see this merit system, to be honest I said "What the f*** is this?" and I read theymos' post about the merit and I said again that "It will be harder for me to rank up". Several weeks later since the merit system has been added, I saw the benefits of this thru the meta thread. Many users were banned because of shitposting. Many shitposters probably left the forum and we don't care about them, we are just users of this forum. There are some users who abuse merit system and given a negative trust.

For me, I don't think that merit system needs to be tweaked or changed. I like how it is now.

P.S. I hope threads regarding merit will be stopped in the next weeks of the next months because its flooding the Meta Section. 

You are missing a point, my friend. You should read this one.
More mass merit farming

I agree the fact that there are many cheaters, merit farmers, merit exchangers who always try to cheat the young merit system to increase their merit points illegally. However, they will be tagged, reported and  banned sooner or later as you can see in the topic I show you.
Massive merit farmer was found and over 200 accounts banned immediately. I think this response is good for the forum. 

I agree 100% with this and with your suggestion. The way merit system is set up today is so much open to cheating and creating a circle of friends that are going to merit themselves even for the silliest thing published. I agree that only mods and admins should give merit.

Yes i agree with your statement especially on negative side of merit system. Thousand or morethan a thousand user of bitcoin here on this forum and i think the admin cannot check all of the quality post by the user

I strongly agree with this suggestion, the point is justice of giving merit to members of appropriate forum. There are some beginners who are knowledgeable and make quality posts but no one at least thinks they are worth a merit. Not that I am against this merit system. but, please do not ignore the beginners in this forum. I prefer if merit is given directly by admin!

Though the merit system is  a problematic one for you, it has developed the entire forum. Many guys have improved their quality posts. The number of spam posts have been reduced. People are driving to contribute quality posts to get merits though they don't expect. Smerits do get over. The smerit is not enough for ranks until Sr.Member. Once it gets over, we need to have patience to get the smerits. This would bring name and fame to your account. Your reputation would seriously grow in the forum.

We need to make a thing that is useful and quality posts too, without it then we will not get anything. While there are currently some people who are easy to get merit I am quite unsure that they are fully contributed. But in conclusion I think merit point has made the forum better. There are significant improvements in terms of quality, but as you can say that many people feel disadvantaged, they are people who can not contribute but want things like get merit. It is an interesting thing to always discuss, yes they are not trying to improve what they do by contributing to this forum.

My suggestion for the Merit system would be a hardfork for the Merit. 1 Merit = 100 merit cents.

Why? Because then posts that are not worthy of receiving a whole merit can also be highlighted somewhat.

What would that mean? Anyone could contribute with just a small amount.
However, a summary would have to be made on each post because the "merited by xxx" would be much longer.


A second suggestion would be to limit the number of merit points a user can receive from a single user.
For example, each user may give a maximum of 10 merits to another user within a certain period of time (2-4 weeks).
This would at least slow down people with secondary accounts to push merits back and forth.

Well, this is very Natural Thread to me i do consider it 50/50 5o% for Complain and 50% for appreciation.
Yes, it is so very Difficult to Receive merits from other merit sources, especially if you have nothing to contribute to the forum or the post you make is not interesting, specifically not constructive and Quality, if OP would be going to search the whole Forum members, maybe you will know "NULLIUS" The Smart Guy Which Deserves a Lot of Smerits.

I would take any topic started off with a title in FULL BLOCK CAPITALS with smallest pinch of salt.

I am just wondering is there any statistics of how many members ranked up since introduction of merit system?
I also think people scared to give merits.
Quality of posts is unfortunately not always rewarded with merits (I do not speak about myself).
There are many Newbie, Jr. Member who post very good with hope to receive some merits, but very rare they get some.

If I am a lucky, I will rank up till end of the year  

Here comes again the word merit system is on the air.
Look folks, we are all under on theymos control.
Not even one knows what's next.
All that we have is not enough to solve the problem.
It is given one solution starts more problems but at the end its purpose will prevail.
I hope so and I don't care, I think so and I care is the best line on the air. So far, so good on another.

you cannot judge a topic based on how many paragraphs contain the topic or how long it is written. If the number of words becomes a benchmark of merit giving, it will not change anything. Giving merit should be based on the quality of the topics that forum members write or a post they create, be it a long, or short, solid and clear topic. While the topic provides new and useful information, other members will certainly not hesitate to give you merit, not to mention the moderators in each topic.

The idea is good and reasonable but my opinion is "every suggestion and comment for the merit system now can only be worthy to consider after one year or shorter than that. "
Why because we know that merit system is just new and what we can contribute effectively is to support it through our best action in many ways.
Remember that through smerit many farmers were caught, in other words smerit is also existing with great purpose.

I am agree with this only merits no smerits. Smerits is become confliction as I browse many topics in the forum. This merit system become huge problematic topic for low rank members.
But I hope it will have some good moderation in the Future.

I think my suggestion will answer on your concern.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30206870

I've got your point and I appreciate it.


The quality of the post doesn't weigh with its length, sometimes no matter how lengthy your post are but the content were indirectly at point it may time-wasting for your reader.

 

To be exact 10 smerits will generate 17,5 merits in total or in other words 1 smerit will generate 1,75 merits.
 
The fact that the smerits will run out in closed loop does not mean that this is not a problem.

I understand that there are not a lot of admins here but on other hand if we take in account the wast amounts of money which is generated here in this forum, i cant understand why there cant be more admins or sub-admin paid vacancies and i can imagine that wont be hard to get some extra income from forum in order to be able to afford more " sub-admin" vacancies.

If you do not know yet, there is something like this: there are special members, called merit sources. There are merit sources which were chosen at the start of the merit system and there are those who were given this status after they gave 10 quality post which were not merited before. This should in theory help with merit distribution but this does not help with 2 problems in my view.
1) The merit abuse between familar members and moreover between alternative accounts.
2) Also this does not help to clear threads from shit posts ( i believe that there should be merits given for example 10 successfully reported low quality posts but this on other hand would put an additional strain on moderators)

I like it the current way only as it ensures that members are involved in the betterment of the forum. However, I think that number of merits in circulation per month need to be increase a lot . It should be at least 10 times the current supply and this can be easily done by allocating more merits to each merit source per month. I was able to get some merits when the merit system was new and I think it was from the senior members who must have given default merit points. Now that most have spent those, there is shortage of merit points in comparison to that time.

nice suggest , and i just worried about "farming merit system " and i think it happens for someone and he sell his account , and it make this system "not on the way "
i love your opinion about automaticly merit system and hope it can happen

I think it will be a good idea, My suggestion is maybe they can add assistant moderator in this forum which having a huge amount of merits that can distribute to all deserving. We also know that moderators are busy and maybe this is the answer to that issue. Assistant moderator will be a big help to lessen people's that abuse merit and it can enhance efficiency of the whole forum. It will be a tool to balance the system I guest. 

Actually that's the best thing we can do for now, to wait to complete the merits we needed to ranked up. Since some of them are not too much smart like "nullius" the Jr. Member who gained almost 600 merits due to good sharing of ideas and information. I hope i gained like them in the future, that's why I do my best to earned a lot of merits but I guess it is not enough.

Don't worry fellas at the right time we were achieved the exact merits we needed to ranked up, so just continue posting good quality.

Exactly my point . i recently stumbled upon a OLD ANN thread which was created a year ago and what i saw was completely ridiculous.

The OP had received 250 merits for old, worthless ann, it is forgotten and none goes there. There was several huge merit transactions 40,50,50,40 and several smaller ,unfortunately i lost it as soon as i find it again, i will edit in this post.

Obviously I know the merit system will improve the quality of post in the community and I believe in the future more people will start getting merit for quality post because by then a lot of established member will be award with merit source in different sections of the forum. So we all need to be patient and wait for the merit system to normalize.

It would have been possible to handle 1498183 members if we knew that they are going to be fixed. Problem is a lot of members are joining here everyday and that number is increasing every month. If you go through the forum stats, there had been exponential rise in that number. To handle so many members, most of the forums do not have manual inspection. But here the admin has come with the solution as merit system. Best thing about merit system is that most of the posts are kind of checked or evaluated by other members thus reducing the work of senior members.

Yes merit system brings a problem but the majority of the effect of merit system is helpful. Why? Because newbies have become more appropriate in posting topics or replying on topics.There are millions of users on this forum and the Administrator and staff are only few, let's take an advantage if they can manage it all for they can't but they where doing there best to manage this forum.

Indeed, if already a good enough member level has been calm and I feel there will be no big problem if indeed this merit is done, but it may be different from members who are still far away level and eager to be improved, it is obviously undeniable that feeling difficulty it will hit him (who does not want his rankings to change and want to be better). although everything is to be faced because this is a new rule. want to be patient

Sad to say but there are 1498183 members on this forum. Do you think they can manage it all? Administrators and staff are few but they are doing there best. Yes, there's a problem with this merit system but majority of the merit system helps the forum or the newbies to become a good posters. Like me I'm just new to this forum, I agree that ranking up isn't not easy like before the update of this forum because every rank requires many merits to rank up.

I agree to your suggestion but it would make the admins work more difficult, all the admins of the forum can't go and check every post of all the people in this forum there are many msny users. All the admins definitely would also have their own work to do, that can't just sit here whole day checking peoples posts and rewarding them merits right?

There are only two admins, and are hundreds of thousands of accounts that post every day. The sending of merit absolutely must be delegated, and there must be the ability of the community as a whole to sent merit to the rest of the community. 

There is a limit to how much merit you can send with your sMerit, which is roughly double your sMerit if you are sending it back and fourth to yourself. So if you are farming merit by sending to yourself, you will eventually run out of sMerit unless you are (colluding with) a merit source, or you are otherwise making posts that others award merit for. 

Then go and Learn how to communicate in English, until then read read read... you have two hopes of earning merit if you dont.. Bob Hope and No Hope...

EDIT - the user sent me this PM


I mean really!

You like reading my mind, have exactly the same opinion about this whole topic. Nothing we can do, only do our best to improve the system, put more effort in writing quality posts and read others. So many of us just see the interesting topic and hurry on replying without bothering to read anything except the topic starter's post and maybe one or two below it. So many good posts could be lost between, which deserve to be recognized.

Since the merit system was made its hard to rank up but following their rules even though its hard to have merits we need to make a quality post to get merit from others .We dont have a choice because this is their regulations ,all we have to do is to improve ourself in forum.Hopefully the admin would set another rules for merit to be easily get.

Please post in your local section and learn how to communicate in English and come back in 6 months. Bounties, sig campaigns are a privilege not a right

I think it is good if only admin having unlimited smerit to be fair because as we can see some of the members who have lots of smerit they taking advantage to send it to their alt to rank up they do not review other post of other members to toss even single merit they have. Much better if only admin will gives merit to us it will gives more inspiration and it will be a motivation to continue contributing knowledgeable post to help the other members because admin recognize what you did.

Well, if you are suggesting this in behalf of the noobs then I would consider you as a concerned user for fair distribution of the merit points.
Though what you stated are relatively true, it does look like it will be a additional workload for moderators which I can see will be a greater problem since there are only few of them.

I thin you should not worry much of yourself, if you wanted merits system to function smoothly, then continue doing quality posts and when you reach the rank that can disseminate merits too then review posts and merit those who deserve it.
That is one way of contributing too.

You're not complaining cause you are a Senior Member, and you take advantage of your position by participating in signature campaigns. You don't need any more merit, you have a high rank already. On the other hand I understand OP statements, I am a rookie too and a non native speaker, just like OP seems to me (pardon if I'm wrong). And I strive to receive merit, but i'm not complaining, I just will wait and do my best as always. My posts are probably not interesting enough, I accept it.
As of the system proposed by OP... I don't think it's actually possible, admins have a life too, and I don't think they earn a paycheck for their role of tutorship they perfectly do already. This would be too much to handle, imagine looking for quality comments in a post with 50 or more comments?
I don't know what can be done to improve the system, if I'll come up with something I'll be glad to share my opinion in a more useful way.

This means admins should have bigger fee's just by checking every boards they handle to accommodate your suggestion mate. But since its only a month after the effect of the merit system, so far  many people are accepting the system. If spammers and shitposter will continue, well we should still be patient because admins here are looking solutions to improve the forum for a clean discussions and communication for every members.

Here is why it is is not needed:

1) First of all regarding some members abusing the merit system, this will not last long. Soon all the default merit points will be spent. Then we will have merit points originating from the merit sources  and  really believe that they will be neutral to all members.

2) If this work is assigned to admin and staff, this will overburden them with more work. I have seen members not being able to get replies for their account being hacked due to staff being busy. We need to reduce the work load on the staff and not increase it.

For new here it set limitation and dissappointment because it so hard to get merit they have many question in their mind how merit will get and what  if they think their post is good but other way its  not good to other thats why i think merit is just a big big big problem to newbie and junior you will stuck forever to your level

It's pretty much Black Mirror, guys.

The admin has lots of things to do that take so much time. Spending time on reading posts of millions of users will take him a lifetime. Perhaps he could give this task to trusted members who could do it on his behalf. But still they could not fully read all of people's posts.

I know there are many qualified posts that do not have merits, but I think the day will come when they get awarded. Patience is required. If you want to get merits, be active and make high quality posts or else you will be left unnoticed.

One month is enough to conclude for a case study.  I don't think so admin here doesn't know what's going on in the forum as the Merit System implemented. I believe they are already in the process of improving it.  

All of the Systems have always a loophole and prone for abuses. Good thing is that those abuses are already came to light.

People in here often forget that this is a forum and there is a community in here, and a forum is a place where people gather and engage, not for working and to earn money. I do feel earning money from this forum is a great things and most of us will agree, i cant deny it, but if your brain only thinking of earning money from this forum, then you treat the forum wrong.

Scared of not making enough merit to rank up because you have no friends here? then make friends ! Engage with others, reply other post, comment other post, share your point of view on some topics, make a new interesting topic, etc. Make yourself as a part of a community, not as a worker who needs a rank. I believe if you change your point of view, merits will follow. You are not getting merits up until now is because your passion is to earn money in this forum, not to be a contributor for a community of this forum.


This is kinda a bias word. You can say adding that system is going to make the job a bit harder? I can say that it will be impossible for an admin to do that with so many boards in here and admin doesnt talks in every language of this world. Plus, it would make us harder to get more merits, because with your system then the admin will be a source right? Imagine we only have 1 source with 1 point of view, you think it will give us more merits? Even with 57 sources and 57 brains that think differently and have a different point of view we are still in need of more sources. So, think again.

That is indeed pretty unfair. That portion of your disappointment boils down to merit abused and it should be fixed as soon as possible.

Negative side, it is not just too hard for the mods but it is completely more impossible for them to track good posts. And if ever that they are the ones who will be sending a merit. A months of promotion may lead to a year or two.


There is nothing to argue with the positive side that youve stated


For the additional notes, You have to remember that not all good posts needs to have a one hundred paragraphs and not all shitty posts consists of a single or two liner posts. That will simply defeats the value of those users who does not participate on any signature campaign programs. Who are actually posting straight to the point and more meaningful.

I like the fact that you identified the flaws in your own suggestions. Considering the admi-to-member ratio it will be such an arduous task for admis to go around the nooks and crannies of the forum meriting people's post. what's more it was quite visionary to make all forum members part of the decision making body through the merit system. If we will all be honest and impartial, the merit system will stand the test of time.

We just optimize the merit system, I agree that the current merit system already has a real benefit. Merit has made this forum much better and has a better chat quality. Different than before, now merit can reduce spammers that always exist in many forums, we just wait for other real action. Currently merit also used as a benchmark to follow the signature campaign so that everyone will eventually be motivated to provide quality posts.

I do believe we have had enough of these complaint threads. There already are many with the exact same questions, statements and answers.
Also, several of these replies and that of the OP prove they have not read the main theymos thread nor understand how Merit works.
Stop with the never ending loop of garbage posts please.


Once again:

I like your idea as the concept is based on fairness but unfortunately this will over load the mods with a lot of work and I think the current merit system is okay as it more of a [SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam model that extends to all forum members regardless of whether you a sig participant or not thats trying to promote quality posts and also make ranking up to be based on merit 😀

I respect the merit system and I didn't see there's a problem of that, we must respect and obey the rules if you want to deserve merit. Don't be pressure about the merit requirement to rank up because you still earned money in this forum. Be patient and wait for the updated merit system's rules and regulations then hopefully there's a changes about merit requirement.

The merit system is great and all and it is helping to improve the post quality of many people and reducing the spam in the forum, but the only probelm with the merit system is that it could be unfair to some poeple who are actually posting good quality posts, because from what i have witnessed since the  release of this system, is that poeple give merits to memebers who are popular on the forum not because of their high quality post.

No, it is not too hard to get merits, you need to give the system some time for people to get used and for merit to flow.

No, you can´t make merit automatic and definitely not by length for two reasons:

a) Shitpost are many times short, but that does not make long posts necessarily good (see here if you don´t understand this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_logic

b) people would spend sleepless nights trying to find out how to hack the system.

No, you can´t overload the admins even more, as you say, it is already hard enough.

No, the problem is the forum has users who write English words like the above that make no sense, and they do this because it earns them money.  Those users need to get off this forum and not even mention the merit system.  It baffles me that OP got merit for his post.

Come on we who are not "One of the boys" can see whats going on here and unless you sing from the correct book
then you will see few merits because some like myself get banned and others not made from the right stuff get
chased off.

A simple look the the activity to merit ratio tells the story, look at mine and note that the OP fears a ban too.

Yes I really agree with you, I also feel burdened with this system.
at the beginning of this system people crowded smerit to good post but lately I see it is rare people who give smerit.Ini there must be a way out and action to be fair, because I think it will be very troublesome for the beginners who really want to work.

I like the merit system, I saw people complaining over merit system all over this forum.Even I am a newbie and I know I have to work a lot to establish myself into this forum or get into a higher rank. But I am not afraid of merit system. Because this will bring more out of me.
Only the Quality is countable here for higher rank.

People can mutually agree to send merits to each other and i believe that's going to be a problem as well. But i believe for the sake of people spamming the forum i think the merit system should stand until a more efficient way comes along.

I know many persons who stucked because of the merit system, but you know what its a good move because of that merit system members like us will focus on quality not quantity.
I personally do like the merit system.

I agreed with your opinion but I think thats a lot of work for admins to check every post and and send merit to the right person.
we should accept the system for our own good and appreciate a good post by giving merit to the right person.

I was becoming a full member if the merit system didn't appaer. It was like five more days and walaa, system sit on my system. I am very angry because of that. I can't get 100 merit from someones. So i stucked at this level. Worst thing in the bitcointalk history!

I get your point, and like the idea of a sort of professional merit assignment group being this a set of administrators or a closed set of people who’s task or side task is to give merit. The problem is finding that closed set of people to entrust this task, which would be pretty time consuming, while withdrawing power that is now given to anyone with merit in their account.

One of the problems now with the system for topic posters is visibility. You can write a good post but not get noticed at all.

Some days ago I suggested trying to self-empower the posts that we found meritable, being this limited for example to being able to hilight a limited amount of our own posts per month (say 1 o 2 per ranking cicle fortnight). The idea would be to mark our post with a "hi, I think this post is worth while", having this post stand out a little by means of a mark of some sort.

I also stated that it would be maybe good to set a minimum length for posts to me merited. This is to filter out a lot of posts that are made now days which are one or two liners (ofcourse one could argue that if one were to announce tomorrow’s lottery numbers in just one line that should indeed be very meritable).

By the way, I think this thread goes in the Meta section ...

The merit system really had good intensions and that was to enforce quality posts I  this forum. But as it has always been in this world, anytime something good comes up, people find ways to manipulate the system. But this doesn't still take away the good intensions of the merit system and I think we should all do our best to make sure that its purpose is fulfilled.

It may be hard to get merits but there are many users probably merit sources who has created threads in this forum that gives out merit if you are a good poster. Just visit their threads.

It is not possible for the admins to looks after all the users in this forum and keep on giving merits according to their post quality,they wont be adding new mods for that i guess,either way they will miss out people,because it is an impossible task, theymos appointed some users as merit source because they were interested and hopefully they will take care of that.

Merit system cannot be automatic like activity and if it does,then there is no use in implementing the feature in the first place,a quality post cannot be wagged on the number of paragraphs you filled and if that becomes a norm then you will see people writing gibberish to reach the post length.

I agree with your opinion, it is not fair for beginners who are very difficult to get merit. posting with good quality even if someone is reluctant to give merit what good quality post. so it would be better if fixed with new provisions. because this is only in favor of those who already have a high ranking.

The so called "merit sources" don't belong in a forum regarding bitcoin, there should be a decentralized system instead. It's just a central agency that decides whether your post is valuable or not. They're also capable of distributing more merits, exactly how a central bank works. But I understand that immediate action needed to be taken to stop the increasing spam on this forum. However, I think there should be a different system to prevent this forum from spammers although I can't think of one myself right now

The problem of merit system is that merit points are given by other members so they are limited. If I see a good post and give him 1 merit point, I have to get another point to regain my merit so that it is very hard to get a lot of merit points to rank up. Every member gives and receives merit ponits so what is the benefit? The merit circulates around the forum through the members and only a few people can actually rank up. I dont think there is a solution to this problem, because admins cant give merit to every single good post because thats a lot of work by them. I think this system should be removed or not influence how you rank up.

why do you need to rank up...
how about just make good quality posts that help the community.. you know. its like life.. employment.. relationships..earn a promotion/recognition. dont expect a promotion/recognition just by turning up

then by being a good contributor instead of a spammer, your promotion/recognition will have more value

It is not really feasable that admins can check all the posts which are made. No way. We are speaking of thousands and thousands of posts every day, I guess. Moreover, this would mean the only the opinions which those few admins like would get merited - the effects long term would be terrible.
The way that has been chose is the best one I think, the only problem is the strong deflation of sMerits - there simply are not enough sMerit circulating in the system. Since it is difficult to get them, people tend not to give them out easily. This can and should be improved.

I think you're in the wrong thread you should post this in Meta section. Going back on topic. Who wants this kind of thing? first we don't need this king of system it's like they preventing us to rank up our profile.

The administrators and moderators have enough to deal with simply keeping the forum clear of spam, they do not have time to analyse post quality. Also, the issue of alt accounts meriting each other is invalid, they would need to be high quality alt accounts to have sMerit to spend in the first place. In my opinion, I think high quality alt accounts would contribute more to the forum than s***posting newbie or Jr accounts.

Merit is awarded to those that earn it, regardless of who they are, whether they be account farmers or not. If you post something that is high quality and contributes insight to the forum, then you deserve merit.

Yes we all know where you coming from. It's bit they system that is the problem. It's the forum members. They not using it enough and not sending out enough merits. It simply won't work if people don't play the game. There are also to few merits for everyone to have a change to rank up so only a select few will reach that rank and I know that certain people will get attention over others based purely on popularity just like steemit did. They need to reduce the amount if merits needed to rank or there is no point.  Even when you try very hard you don't always get merits and that's unfair. Most people will not bother to merit you. People complain about it but it's their own fault. If you want to rank up then start giving out merits. If noone shares merits noone ranks up. It's pretty obvious. You help others and you help yourself. That's something many members of this forum need to realize.

anyone that says they NEED hundreds of merits.. your missing the point

you NEED to make good contributions, and people will give you a pat on the back in the form of merits
and if you have had enough recognition for contributing positively by getting enough pats on the back in appraisal. then you rank up.

if your only concern is ranking up in weeks so you can get some bounty/sig campaign. then im sorry but your missing the point of this forum.
if your only concern is ranking up from a newbie in weeks. then im sorry but if thats what newbies think. then by the time they rank up.. a flood of hundreds of thousands of other newbies would have ranked up too,
which means the bounty/sig campaign awards you hope to get will be lot less, due too too many fingers in the bounty pie

forget about ranking up quicker. forget about making getting merit easier. just learn about bitcoin and help people out.
rank up due to quality posting, not quantity posting.

but yes if you see users getting lots of merit from certain users and those users got merits back of similar amounts within a certain time, (fake appraisals) then there should be a way to have their merit reduced especially if the posts are boring spammy non contributing quality

I think they can use automatic sysmtem for distribution like the activity system, there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted.

Yeah , to be honest i have noticed some problems in this system also. But i feel hopeless because none actually cares other than low ranks.
And this is not about complaining because it is hard, the problem is that the system has flowed.

Anyone knows that there is a quality issue in the forum but i haven't seen a significant quality increase, it is still too hard ready almost every thread because it is full of garbage posts.

The flow can been seen easily, just take the merit transfers and check merit transfers above 5 merits, i guarantee that at least 5 of 10 cases you will see that transactions will be between 2 members back and forth, this abusing system and no one will do something about it because those who can do something just don't care.

you have my voice, if i have smerit i will give it to you.
I also think so, it is better to give merit directly is a moderator. but is it possible? moderator check every post that is made.
because every day there must be thousands of posts and it is not possible to see them one by one. 

Yes, I support the author. this is not true with respect to beginners. Previously, the account could be pumped just by being and communicating on the forum, but now beginners can not raise the rank, because merits do not give, they are incredibly difficult to earn

Your proposal is absolutely impracticable, since there are very few administrators, they have very little time given the incessant work involved in managing or monitoring a forum as large as this, and it is also necessary to take into account that every day thousands, tens of thousands of new posts and it is humanly impossible for a handful of people to be able to read all of them and evaluate the quality of their contents.

Therefore I would like to return to the old system before but I know that this will not be possible, therefore we must improve and refine the present system, as it is more than proven that delegate this decision to users lends itself to unfair valuations.

In my opinion merit system is very good because lately many people who want to raise their account rank only with spaming threads that seem less qualified, but this also there is a bad side in my opinion because there are also members whose rank is still low can make a quality post , but get less attention so they do not get merit. well that was just my opinion 

It will be hard for the admin to review all the post and give merits.  But I understand your concern on just transferring merits to their alternative accounts to rank up.  The current system of giving merits is good but I think they should add a maximum merit an account can give to another account, like max of 3 to 5 per month.

Admins don't have time to read all the posts and give merit, impossible....

Theymos proposed the idea of some random people who are selected by admins and are merit sources. Merit sources are people with more merit who can merit high quality content, similar to what you propose.

Personally, i think Merit system is pretty good, but it's to damn scarce.
You can make a very good reply and get 0 merit, and when you get merited, just 1 merit...

We need hundreds of merits, so it's VERY HARD to make hundreds of good posts.

I will need to learn much more about blockchain to get more merit, because I noticed that technical posts receive more merits lol

But i was studying already, this is why i came here...

I dont post this to complain, My point here is im suggesting an option to enchance this merit system.

All of us here has different intentions, some of us are here to earn profit to this (if this is the idea of the individual here this system is really unfair for the newbies) but this is not my point to post this.

Yes i got 4 merits now and Im thankful for this, but when you are already on the MEMBER rank 90merit points is too hard to get FACT is not all will give you merit for your quality post.

Sorry if you dont like my post sir and thank you for reading my opinion. 

The merit system is acting like a user filter which filters the unnecessary and useless posts but of course, many rank members are misusing this system if you find someone misusing it if you can directly report it or you can complain about them on the meta board. Yes, it is very much harder now for new users to get merit points in order to rank up and I think people should contribute their merit points with other low rank uses instead of focusing on high-rank members.

I think this is actually a good idea as well.

Makes a lot of sense, perhaps there should a poll setup somewhere so that members can vote on if they would prefer this system instead.

NB: On a side note, not trying to hijack this thread OP but I'm wondering if merits in someway would help to get my red trust score removed? (I received the negative trust rather unfairly in my opinion)

You got 4 merits, OP.  That's a lot more than many members with your awful command of the english language have gotten, and assuming you didn't buy those, you should consider yourself very lucky.  What are you complaining about?   

In case you haven't noticed, suggestions from newbies are falling on deaf ears.  Rightfully so. 

Look at me, I haven't earned a merit yet, and I'm not about to complain, because I'm not here to rank up and spam the forum.

I agree with this, Merit system is proposing ideal fairness for all of the workers here, but in the other side this new system will make some point harder than before, just like ranking up, as long as you dont have the enough quota for Merits, you will remain in your position as what you have right now, which is okay for the old workers and very challenging for the new ones. It blocks the possibility of the person to have multiple accounts that he or she may used for scamming or maybe hacking people here.

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

EDIT: I think they can also assign a staff on every section to manage this easily maybe 1 or 2 in every section that is a merit source so that the admins dont have to work too much for the merit distribution.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING