Topic: Merits could be a character molding. (Read 377 times)
That's true, whining would not lead to anything. Instead of being productive in the forum, people who did not agree with the merit system has been continually ranting when in fact there's nothing to complain about in the first place because it is our responsibility to post constructively in this forum to share and gain knowledge at the same time. I am glad to see newbies opening their minds and trying to see the good in this system instead of allowing the "disadvantage" (for their part) to overpower their mindset. Let's move forward and start accepting change for the betterment of this forum and its members.
Merits are not a tool to rank up members. They are a block to stop spammers and semi-articulate people from increasing rank, If you want to remove the block, then all you have to do is to sharpen your posting skills, and think before you make that post that just repeats a multi-posted opinion.
After reading some of the comments about new rules, seem merits could bring more good than bad.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I agree with you, I fully agree with this rule. but whether it is true merit can be trade? is that true? I have read that rumor in various posts of many people here.
We cannot deny the fact that there are people doing that thing. Merits should be used as and honor not way of earning.
I would agree with you for one thing, merit is here to mould character but then again it's not a good measure of ranking. To me, merit could be good to last for a while longer than each rank was achieved previously rather than being a ranking measure. Those newbies you think it will help mould their characters might forever remain newbie as no one will merit their posts. People don't easily give out their merits and some even share it among their friends. To me merit mightould characters but it won't help much.
didn't know about the existence of a merit system until now.
i agree that it could help bring about quality posts, but that wouldn't guarantee that we will indeed be having quality posts.
there could be groups in this forum that can just give merits to certain users they're acquainted with -- and whose posts don't even bear much weight on a particular topic.
it would be too tedious for mods to give the merits, so still, there's no guarantee that anyone ranking up due to merits received did post something that we can actually learn from.
i agree that it could help bring about quality posts, but that wouldn't guarantee that we will indeed be having quality posts.
there could be groups in this forum that can just give merits to certain users they're acquainted with -- and whose posts don't even bear much weight on a particular topic.
it would be too tedious for mods to give the merits, so still, there's no guarantee that anyone ranking up due to merits received did post something that we can actually learn from.
I agree dude with your opinion. We cannot really deny the fact that there are always a gang in the community and all the benefits and resources just only within their circle.
But there are million I guess in the forum and I believe majority of those are independent to each other which their judgement doesn't depend on the group decision but base on their perception of bad and good.
All quality post may not be given merits but it should not be bases to stop of posting quality post. I really learn in this forum both positive and in negative way.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
As a former jr member (since last night) i totally agree with this! The feeling of ranking up because of merits is superb. It feels good to be recognized and i feel like i'm posting improved posts since the merit system was introduced.
Hope everyone would feel the same as i am! And i hope this forum would become a better place!
That's good dude! you already reap your hardworks. Good Luck!
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
As a former jr member (since last night) i totally agree with this! The feeling of ranking up because of merits is superb. It feels good to be recognized and i feel like i'm posting improved posts since the merit system was introduced.
Hope everyone would feel the same as i am! And i hope this forum would become a better place!
After reading some of the comments about new rules, seem merits could bring more good than bad.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I agree with you, I fully agree with this rule. but whether it is true merit can be trade? is that true? I have read that rumor in various posts of many people here.
We cannot deny the fact that there are people doing that thing. Merits should be used as and honor not way of earning.
The merit system is an excellent way to protect the forum from spammy comments. Now new users will try to write more constructive posts instead spammy ones, so they will become the essential part of this forum. From every day they spent at this forum, they will discover something new and they will learn that step by step.
Theoretically merit system sounds good, by making the quality of posts higher. But I think practically it may cause some problems, since no one is in the need of giving merits. So how can the other earn merits and get higher ranks?
I find the merit system to be a good move on the part of the forum to improve the content and promote more intelligent interaction. This can be way we are discouraging members to post non-sense posts just to avail of the activity points. This is our forum and even if nobody is expected to be a polished or award-winning writer here, we have to observe basic decorum otherwise this forum will be turned into a zombie-like community. It is about time that there is a way for us reward those who are working hard and maybe disregard those who are just here to post spams. Next in line can be the demerit system but it may not be necessary if majority of the members would be following some form of a discipline.
completely agree with you. merit system is to avoid nonsense post of some other people who only want to increase their ranks even it is out of the topic or sometimes it is annoying or nonsense. yeah true, this is our forum. forums of all people engaged in bitcoin so we should make it beautiful to read and at least we can get some relevant information in every post we are posting. So I am supporting this new merit system .
Merit is needed to achieve a new rank. I don't think that merit requarements in campaigns will be usefull.
In addition to requiring Merit to rank up, some managers are adding payment tiers based on your earned Merit. Not the amount you started with but the amount you have been given. So in these situations where people are giving each other Merit, they can ensure that they will continue to earn as much as possible from a campaign. Anyone with half a brain will be able to abuse the system slowly but surely each month with a group of friends/co-conspirators to ensure they get to rank up and earn Merit. There will of course be the people who still get caught in a scheme like this; but i think far more will slip through unnoticed.
I agreed, with Merit system spammers will be minimized. Because too many accounts (also new accounts) do only spam posts. We can notice it by looking at thier post with such a one liner post and non constructive words.
Because we can earn bitcoins with this forum. Some people do business by selling bitcointalk accounts. Some people are farming their accounts by posting spam post just to rank. But I think with this merit system, they will not be able to rank up although they make a hundred number of posts. Because if those posts will be just a spam or shitposts, it will not be merited and they will never going to rank up. Every account user will be forced to make constructive post like what our forum's goal.
Because we can earn bitcoins with this forum. Some people do business by selling bitcointalk accounts. Some people are farming their accounts by posting spam post just to rank. But I think with this merit system, they will not be able to rank up although they make a hundred number of posts. Because if those posts will be just a spam or shitposts, it will not be merited and they will never going to rank up. Every account user will be forced to make constructive post like what our forum's goal.
didn't know about the existence of a merit system until now.
i agree that it could help bring about quality posts, but that wouldn't guarantee that we will indeed be having quality posts.
there could be groups in this forum that can just give merits to certain users they're acquainted with -- and whose posts don't even bear much weight on a particular topic.
it would be too tedious for mods to give the merits, so still, there's no guarantee that anyone ranking up due to merits received did post something that we can actually learn from.
i agree that it could help bring about quality posts, but that wouldn't guarantee that we will indeed be having quality posts.
there could be groups in this forum that can just give merits to certain users they're acquainted with -- and whose posts don't even bear much weight on a particular topic.
it would be too tedious for mods to give the merits, so still, there's no guarantee that anyone ranking up due to merits received did post something that we can actually learn from.
After reading some of the comments about new rules, seem merits could bring more good than bad.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
Thank you , this is a huge knowledge for me regarding this new rule. At first I thought merit is about extra points as they say and pranks says that you can sell your nerit which is kinds unfair for me ,but as they say its abide the law , its something unacceptable , and since I have read this thread now I am enlightened thank you for that.
As I also said in another thread, the problem is that there are no incentives to give people merit. It is not changing the user experiences of the people who give merit on this forum so there is no real reason for anyone to give merit.
There is one big reason. You give merit points, and you get merit points back if you are a sig spammer. That lifts you above the members who are here to learn and help others.
Yes it would build characters who ever enters this forum,not just having a high rank but also with knowledge and wisdom about crypto not only they rank but they rank with knowledge. This is great becuase everyone will learn something that any others wouldnt take out to you.
Earlier it was more about posts, ranks were counted on posts, not quality, yes, no, mmmm, agree, bad, helpful, ICO...monolugue got me 6 posts with activity.
Those posts weren't worth anything without the merit system anyway. All signature campaigns mandate that the comments be constructive and above a certain number of characters, so the posts you describe were and still are worthless.
As I also said in another thread, the problem is that there are no incentives to give people merit. It is not changing the user experiences of the people who give merit on this forum so there is no real reason for anyone to give merit.
Merit is needed to achieve a new rank. I don't think that merit requarements in campaigns will be usefull.
In addition to requiring Merit to rank up, some managers are adding payment tiers based on your earned Merit. Not the amount you started with but the amount you have been given. So in these situations where people are giving each other Merit, they can ensure that they will continue to earn as much as possible from a campaign. Anyone with half a brain will be able to abuse the system slowly but surely each month with a group of friends/co-conspirators to ensure they get to rank up and earn Merit. There will of course be the people who still get caught in a scheme like this; but i think far more will slip through unnoticed.
After reading some of the comments about new rules, seem merits could bring more good than bad.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
It's really hard for the situation now about merit.Because l am supposed to be a senior member now but Merit stop it. I've done effort so much. So it's like so much difficult to rank up mine.l hope so it will go back to normal. Maybe some will go on quitting. Especially the newbie .l think is this the way for us to bless me God.Although l have to focus on this job to have a big salary. And all my expectations will come true.
This new merit system seems good from the first sight but imho bounty managers are doing their job fine so the community has been regulating itself in a good way. For now I've only seen a couple waves of shit about those merits where people were arguing about the fairness of the merit someone left (one guy in meta section claimed that he tried to check how it works and got tagges because he left too much merit without an obvious reason). Only time will show the result of this thing, hopefully it won't only provoke conflicts.
Even though some Campaign Managers are looking to Add Merit to their requirements it only takes a couple of people in a "circle jerk" to help each other out.
Merit is needed to achieve a new rank. I don't think that merit requarements in campaigns will be usefull.
Even though some Campaign Managers are looking to Add Merit to their requirements it only takes a couple of people in a "circle jerk" to help each other out.
I think it was a pretty good idea with potential to showcase some quality posters. Unfortunately I feel this is a system that will be abused, just like any other. I have already seen the "expectation" some people have that if they give Merit out they are hoping that person will reciprocate it.
I've also noticed that a lot of the Merit being handed out has been in the, previously considered trash threads or low quality topics. I'm hoping this is just because it is a new system. The problem is people were wanting something to tag or call out spammy low quality posts, to try and stem the signature campaign posting clutter. I don't think this will accomplish that as there is no demerit system for consistently writing garbage.
Even though some Campaign Managers are looking to Add Merit to their requirements it only takes a couple of people in a "circle jerk" to help each other out.
I'm also going to report the post to Mods as this should be discussed in META not Bitcoin Discussion
I've also noticed that a lot of the Merit being handed out has been in the, previously considered trash threads or low quality topics. I'm hoping this is just because it is a new system. The problem is people were wanting something to tag or call out spammy low quality posts, to try and stem the signature campaign posting clutter. I don't think this will accomplish that as there is no demerit system for consistently writing garbage.
Even though some Campaign Managers are looking to Add Merit to their requirements it only takes a couple of people in a "circle jerk" to help each other out.
I'm also going to report the post to Mods as this should be discussed in META not Bitcoin Discussion
Call them what they truly are.
Merits= Ass Kissing Points
Nothing more, Nothing less.
Collusion has already begun by the same scummy default trust members to up their merits, by giving each other merits for worthless posts.
Same broken system new scam to proclaim superiority.
╥Aztek
Merits= Ass Kissing Points
Nothing more, Nothing less.
Collusion has already begun by the same scummy default trust members to up their merits, by giving each other merits for worthless posts.
Same broken system new scam to proclaim superiority.
╥Aztek
Yo bud, you have to agree that it contributes to have less spam posts and more of a not quality, but a bit genuine posts. Have you last checked how many users does BCT have, it ain't about default trust members, who might/would give each other a good supply of merit, does it matter, it's further than that. Earlier it was more about posts, ranks were counted on posts, not quality, yes, no, mmmm, agree, bad, helpful, ICO...monolugue got me 6 posts with activity. Quoting a post from Meta on a response by Lutpin:
Now my rank in the forum depends on others! If some one thinks my post is merit worthy then they will give me merit. My rank now has to look for the mercy of others!
~snip~
But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP to the face of 'Decentralisation'
Let's sum up the two main points you have:~snip~
But this new 'Merit' system is a 'centralised' system which depends on the mercy of others and that is a BIG SLAP to the face of 'Decentralisation'
- Your rank depends on ratings given by the general public/many other people.
- Your rank is given by a centralized source.
It's just about a week since Merit system has been implemented. And I have seen a lot of users already encouraging newbies with merit having post quality. On top of spamming, it's an apt approach to get rid of account farming.
I definitely think the merit system is a good idea to improve the overall quality of the forum, however I suspect it will eventually turn into a system where people buy/sell merit in order to rank up their accounts, rather than being used to highlight exemplary post quality. I think the merit sources should also have the demerit function in order to prevent this happening, should it ever occur.
Indeed Merits for Bitcointalk forum has a lot of help.
But the current rules are clearly a little unfriendly to newcomers, and may be can add a new rule that online time can serve as a reference.
But the current rules are clearly a little unfriendly to newcomers, and may be can add a new rule that online time can serve as a reference.
Yes it is. Merit system gives us courage to construct a post that is on topic. Merit system also challenge me as a bitcoiner to upgrade my rank. I know it is difficult to do it but in this way non sense post in the thread will vanished. So, it is useful to everybody.
Merits are points that given to you you a very useful, meaningful and constructive. This highly needed to rank up fast. And merit is also acquired during applying a signature campaign. Merits is the best way to minimize the shitposter on this forum but maximises the good and useful posts.
After reading some of the comments about new rules, seem merits could bring more good than bad.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I agree with you, I fully agree with this rule. but whether it is true merit can be trade? is that true? I have read that rumor in various posts of many people here.
I am somewhere in the middle about Merit. Definitely I see so many posts which are pure nonsense or repetition of what others already said. It is crystal clear that they are making posts for the sake of posting but not to share any useful info with community. But at the same time Merit is very tough to achieve and its totally dependent on others.
I feel we have to find a middle ground.
I feel we have to find a middle ground.
How can Merit system be Good? My rank is now dependant on 'OTHERS' if some one else thinks a post is merit worthy then they will give merit and then the rank will go up. This is absolutely ridiculous idea!
Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit? Most of users do NOT have any interest to give merits etc. They post.. discuss etc. This forum is about the Best currency whose main quality is decentralisation but this so called 'Merit' system is fully 'centralised' system. My rank is not depend on me rather depends on the mercy of others.. absolutely bullshit..
Whats happens if a post is good and still no one gives merit? Most of users do NOT have any interest to give merits etc. They post.. discuss etc. This forum is about the Best currency whose main quality is decentralisation but this so called 'Merit' system is fully 'centralised' system. My rank is not depend on me rather depends on the mercy of others.. absolutely bullshit..
Yes i agree with you.I think merit system is very useful for this forum beacause nowdays most of people did post which are off topics and they did it only for rank up their profile.so merit will help to stop the post on off topics which such garbage for this forum.so all people need to do constructive posts for rank up.
On the contrary, I see merit system as a strict centralization policy of bitcointalk forum. We only have a handful of members who are merit source and it is not really feasible for them to visit all posts and topics of this large forum to rate and award merit accordingly. Instead, if the admin ask the moderators to be more active, that would have benefited the forum.
Now we need someone else's approval to rank up and that where the chance of an underground market comes in. I am sure, an underground market will open up for merit trading very soon if it's not there already.
Yes i agree with you.I think merit system is very useful for this forum beacause nowdays most of people did post which are off topics and they did it only for rank up their profile.so merit will help to stop the post on off topics which such garbage for this forum.so all people need to do constructive posts for rank up.
I absolutely agree with merit concept, I am now eager to make an even useful post. The only thing I think need adjustment is the merit requirement to rank up, for a full member like me to rank up needs 150 more merits point which is truly difficult for sure. I am not sure I will be able to collect that amount within a year
I find the merit system to be a good move on the part of the forum to improve the content and promote more intelligent interaction. This can be way we are discouraging members to post non-sense posts just to avail of the activity points. This is our forum and even if nobody is expected to be a polished or award-winning writer here, we have to observe basic decorum otherwise this forum will be turned into a zombie-like community. It is about time that there is a way for us reward those who are working hard and maybe disregard those who are just here to post spams. Next in line can be the demerit system but it may not be necessary if majority of the members would be following some form of a discipline.
I agree with you buddy. There is always a resistance of implementing new rule in all walks of like. This new rule is no exemption. It could be hard on the start but it will be easy then. The community of the forum will accept it soon after bursting their emotion.
I find the merit system to be a good move on the part of the forum to improve the content and promote more intelligent interaction. This can be way we are discouraging members to post non-sense posts just to avail of the activity points. This is our forum and even if nobody is expected to be a polished or award-winning writer here, we have to observe basic decorum otherwise this forum will be turned into a zombie-like community. It is about time that there is a way for us reward those who are working hard and maybe disregard those who are just here to post spams. Next in line can be the demerit system but it may not be necessary if majority of the members would be following some form of a discipline.
After reading some of the comments about new rules, seem merits could bring more good than bad.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
I listed some points that merits could bring more good things for newbie than bad.
1.It will oblige new comers to read and study more about bitcoin or cryptocurrency so that quality post can be achieved than just posting non-sense just to
achieve the higher ranks.
2.It will mold character for a newbie that ranks can be achieved by quality not by quantity of post.
3.It will develop a sense of ownership and will treasure the accounts since it achieve by a hard work.
4.It will develop patience that waiting can bring more good things than quitting.
Whining could not bring you to somewhere, if the new rule implemented then everyone under it is oblige to follow whether we like it or not.
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