Topic: MH17 - Where is shrapnel? (Read 5237 times)
Experts need time for the true
60 KG of shrapnel is something other, than that.
Still no info about...
in your Mum
heh heh, betcha didn't see that one coming
heh heh, betcha didn't see that one coming
Malaysia delegation rep and Dutch rep now signing to receive #MH17 black boxes from rebels in #Donetsk.
you wonder if Malaysia treating the rebels with diplomatic protocol will have repercussions. But still a big step
Both sides are using some sort of stamp on the #MH17 black box protocols. Old habits die hard in the DNR
#MH17 black boxes now in hands Malaysia delegation.
Rebel leader Borodai: "Today is a very important day for the Donetsk People's Republic."
Malaysian "would like to convey our sincere appreciation to His Excellency Mr. Borodai for obeying our request."
Malaysia delegation says he isn't interests in blame game, but just wants black boxes because they "are property of Malaysia."
Malaysia: "We show to the people of Malaysia that we are so serious to make these things be recovered from Malaysia."
Malaysia National Security Council member/delegation head says he is pleased that #MH17 black boxes appear intact.
Super. That is not Buk (ground-air missie).
This damages are from air-air missile R-27 Topor, or R-73.
This damages are from air-air missile R-27 Topor, or R-73.
Remember it can be all set-up for a media coverage, so US will have a good enough reason to invade.
What are you trying to prove exactly? Those holes are sharpnel, expected to be inside the warhead of the missile.
Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes.
Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes.
I don't think is it possible to take down a boeing like airplane using an machine gun?
especially if it is flying higher than 5kmEven if it was possible, that method would give time for the pilot to cast a mayday over the radio. Whatever was the pilot had no time to do anything.
What are you trying to prove exactly? Those holes are sharpnel, expected to be inside the warhead of the missile.
Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes.
Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes.
I don't think is it possible to take down a boeing like airplane using an machine gun?
especially if it is flying higher than 5km
What are you trying to prove exactly? Those holes are sharpnel, expected to be inside the warhead of the missile.
Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes.
Doesn't look a bit like machine gun holes, which draw lines of holes.
There are several pictures of the plane with holes in it.
Post them PLS here.
There are several pictures of the plane with holes in it.
Possibile air-air missile proofs, but amount of holes is small.
On warhead of BUK missile are 60 KG of shrapnel... where are all that holes??
Air gun shot of 9-A-4002 from SU-27?
Upper side. Possible damages from air-air missile, not shrapnel.
was an air-air missile few hours ago...
Watch other low-res picture with "evidence of shrapnel" -
http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fedge.liveleak.com%2F80281E%2Fll_a_s%2F2014%2FJul%2F17%2FLiveLeak-dot-com-c51_1405636891-bdrgj_1405637104.png%253Fd5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd7934b43d2d2991e%2526ec_rate%253D230&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arrse.co.uk%2Fcommunity%2Fthreads%2Fbreaking-malaysia-airlines-mh17-plane-shot-down-in-ukraine.216527%2Fpage-26&h=376&w=704&tbnid=S8LatmIiQMGylM%3A&zoom=1&docid=vP038lhyqHZ6CM&ei=lknMU4_qEIeVPP_JgcAH&tbm=isch&ved=0CCIQMygBMAE&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=825&page=1&start=0&ndsp=26
It's the same part, from a different angle. The picture is of too low resolution to really be very valuable.
I think the media is very fast to conclude the cause. For all I know it could be Al Quadia bombs.
was an air-air missile few hours ago...
Watch other low-res picture with "evidence of shrapnel" -
http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fedge.liveleak.com%2F80281E%2Fll_a_s%2F2014%2FJul%2F17%2FLiveLeak-dot-com-c51_1405636891-bdrgj_1405637104.png%253Fd5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd7934b43d2d2991e%2526ec_rate%253D230&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arrse.co.uk%2Fcommunity%2Fthreads%2Fbreaking-malaysia-airlines-mh17-plane-shot-down-in-ukraine.216527%2Fpage-26&h=376&w=704&tbnid=S8LatmIiQMGylM%3A&zoom=1&docid=vP038lhyqHZ6CM&ei=lknMU4_qEIeVPP_JgcAH&tbm=isch&ved=0CCIQMygBMAE&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=825&page=1&start=0&ndsp=26
No holes.
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MONTRÉAL, 18 July 2014 – In response to an official request from the Government of Ukraine for assistance with the official accident investigation into the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) will be sending a team to assist the Ukrainian National Bureau of Incidents and Accidents Investigation of Civil Aircraft (NBAAII).
http://www.icao.int/Newsroom/Pages/Ukraine-requests-ICAO-assistance-in-MH17-accident-investigation.aspx
http://www.icao.int/Newsroom/Pages/Ukraine-requests-ICAO-assistance-in-MH17-accident-investigation.aspx
Where is this team?
Here?
was an air-air missile few hours ago...
I'm not ICAO.I found some low-res picture with description, and go to examine it, found other high-res pictures published now, jet parts are with no holes from shrapnel.
What is wrong?
Still waiting proofs from Pentagon about missile start flash and place of start.
I'm deleting my history after some time :/ but i belive it's been radio communication where they said that they have shot the plane but they thought it was an plane with putin onboard that had go the same way.
Something new.
I'm waiting on picture with shrapnel and ICAO investigation.
If there is no shrapnel, need a bomb on board.
If there is no shrapnel, need a bomb on board.
was an air-air missile few hours ago...
It was probably a misle, i belive i've seen video somewhere.
Oh.. find it on Youtube, PLS.
Have You idea about History in Your browser?
I'm waiting on picture with shrapnel and ICAO investigation.
If there is no shrapnel, need a bomb on board.
If there is no shrapnel, need a bomb on board.
So your new theory ? please post a link of the weapon you think about (technology description).
No holes.
No holes.
No holes.
No holes.
It was probably a misle, i belive i've seen video somewhere.
Oh.. find it on Youtube, PLS.
Have You idea about History in Your browser?
No holes.
It was probably a misle, i belive i've seen video somewhere.
That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily.
Yep i don't know how these people have such imagination when you can clearly see it on the photo. First picture is a low-res video frame from lifenews.
No holes.
No holes.
That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily.
Yep i don't know how these people have such imagination when you can clearly see it on the photo. First picture is a low-res video frame from lifenews.
No holes.
That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily.
Yep i don't know how these people have such imagination when you can clearly see it on the photo. 
That is dirt. Do we really need another tin foil hat conspiracy with this? Tragic negligence and regional hostility kind of explains this one quite readily.
You may wonder why the soldier is walking on top of the wing.. there is plenty of space next to it.
Maybe for fun, no need to look for strange explication.
They should clean the dirt off that wing before somebody thinks it was an air to air missile.
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Holes or pieces of soil/dirt?
You may wonder why the soldier is walking on top of the wing.. there is plenty of space next to it.
If you zoom in on the picture you can see there are stones and mud on the wing. the dirt likely came from his shoes. On the bottom left there is a large black spot, which is probably from an explosion.
I think a bomb is more likely, given the location where it happend - but it could have been a missle.
That's clearly dirt and not any holes
When there is no holes, the only one way is the bomb on board.
Still waiting on pictures with holes.
Holes or pieces of soil/dirt?
Holes could be added later
Have you more question, why OSCE people become not "FULL ACCESS" to put some shit on crime scene?
ICAO is still not there, why?
Haven't heard of this air-air missile theory yet but Alex Jones and company have an interesting take on it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4W-8qNnD0&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4W-8qNnD0&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg
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MALAYSIAN FLIGHT FALSE FLAG EVIDENCE REVEALED
Neocons and their state-run media would have us believe the case is closed
Less than 24 hours after the devastating attack that downed Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17, Neocons and their state-run media would have us believe the case is closed…before an investigation has even been launched. We break down the repetitive false-flag narrative.
Neocons and their state-run media would have us believe the case is closed
Less than 24 hours after the devastating attack that downed Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17, Neocons and their state-run media would have us believe the case is closed…before an investigation has even been launched. We break down the repetitive false-flag narrative.
Holes could be added later when plane crashed and also on that photo that you showed is soil. Even air-air missile could reach it's target from lower point so it could have hit plane from lower part.
Missiles doesn't fly on straight line, most models aims for the heat generated by the jets.
From bottom up is plain old WW2 AA systems...
BUK is with radar.From bottom up is plain old WW2 AA systems...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile
Missiles doesn't fly on straight line, most models aims for the heat generated by the jets.
From bottom up is plain old WW2 AA systems...
From bottom up is plain old WW2 AA systems...
it is still uncertain who fired it and why
Concentrate about place, where jet was hit. Who can launch missile or hit with air-air missile there?
This place is deep under Kiev control, and no Russian Federation military jets are seen there.
Any BUK from Donetsk or Russian Federation can hit Malaysian aircraft in that dot.
I think it's possible that it was a missile. But if it is in fact a missle, it is still uncertain who fired it and why. To start a war over this, would have the same catastrophe as the 9/11 situtation (financial crisis), as in .. it costs a lot more than the event itself.
Of course, the airplane didn't fly around the Ukraine - this is the cheapest route, and airplane personal never cared about its customers in that way. They often fly with too few fuel, a lot of corruption in the industry.
Of course, the airplane didn't fly around the Ukraine - this is the cheapest route, and airplane personal never cared about its customers in that way. They often fly with too few fuel, a lot of corruption in the industry.
Holes or pieces of soil/dirt?
Upper side from behind is damaged.
Place where aircraft lost communications (Kremenchuk):
KREMENCHUK
Territory under control of DNR/LNR - Novorossia (Donetsk)
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