Topic: MicroBT announced M30s (Read 906 times)

Obvious scam at that pricing, though MB is shipping with in 7 days we're told.

Scammers. Microbt.com is the legit website.

Okay  I think this link is bullshit

hxxps://microbtmining.com/product/microbt-whatsminer-m30s/

they offer the m30s at only 1150 with 1 week delivery time.

don't buy from them.

https://whois.net/

look up has them at only  around since last year.

microbt.com is around since 2016

https://www.microbt.com/   they are the actual builder of the gear.

The ones i mention are shipping same day and way cheaper than Pangolin.

M30s  1960 USD.

Directly from Whatsminer.

Peace

Pangolin has a m31s  to ship late may

https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m31s-with-psu/

who cares it is 42 watts a th  a 76 th unit.  pulls 3300 watts.

they have a m30s  to ship ing five days for 2430

https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m30s-with-psu/

claims it can do 38 watts a th

pulls 3268 watts does 86th

if they really shipped it in five days.  you could get maybe 50 days pre ½ ing.

These machines are avaliable now and being shipped.

I saw Vincent VP whatsminer posted this price list and avalability in social media

Very competitive pricing for the m30 and m31 ranges.

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Yeah, 2 red-flags - half the price of some other sites, and faster delivery...  greed is, however, a powerful if often foolish, motivator.

Just have 150+ S9s that haven't been profitable to run for some time.  Were at $10,200, but are not now.  Am looking to re-bootstrap my shop - but likely going to wait post-halving now and see what reality is.

I would not use them.

every one else says  April shipping they say 1 week.  I would deactivate the link.

Is this shipper valid?  Price seems too good to be true:

https://microbtmining.com/product/microbt-whatsminer-m30s/

funny you should mention this.  I was on pangolin website looking at  the m21  a 60 watt machine which ships to usa in 5 days.

cost of 600 bucks does 27 th

so buy 3  send one to your brother and one to your house and one to you mother.  legally avoids trump tax

cost of 3 x 600 = 1800 for 81 th  the three pieces are in stock and should show in 10 days or less.


but 1 m30 = 2700 for 81th   the unit will show in 30 days if lucky    you may pay 650 trump tax  cost of 3300

so same hash  for  900 to 1500 more usd.   and at  least a 20 day delay  to get the 38 watt single m30  vs the 60 watt 3 m21

for 20 days 80th = 250

so I am 1150 to 1750 in the hole  buying the new gear assuming they show on time. (hmm how often is that)

38 x 80 = 3100 watts
60 x 80 = 4800 watts

a 1700 watt difference  lets make it 2000  that is 2 kwatts x 24 = 48 kwatts a day   lets make it 50 kwatts a day

at 5 cents that is 2.50 a day in power savings.   so 1150/2.50 = 460 days    and 1750/2.50 = 700 days

 so buying 1 m30s will  take 460 to 700 days  to make up the price difference

over buying 3 m21 pieces of gear.

So as much as you may want the  m30s  it simply makes close to zero $$ sense at 5 cent power.

you can argue it makes sense at 10 cent power  but  it still means 230 to 350 days  to make up for the  extra cost of the m30


and we all know mining at 10 cent power = loser for the last few years.

I did factor with and without trump tax.
I did not factor what if the psu breaks 

on the m30s you have zero hash
on the m21  you have 3 pieces so 1 dead one means you have 53 or 54 th left.

So for those that want the best gear  they are paying a high premium for it.

The price they are asking seems way too high for a miner that will only see a month of pre-halving operation (if they ship on time). The only way this price makes sense to me is if you expect BTC price to double or diff to halve before or very close after the halving. If that happens, then ROI with 5c/kWh power is about 250 days. If price and diff remain the same, then ROI with 5c/kWh power is 435 days, 500 days if they are late and you miss all pre-halving mining. Judging by how Bitmain has priced their miners in the past, I'm guessing they'll crush this price when they release their 5nm miners.

I am still running 2 m20s and 1 m21s

all pull over 3200 watts.

I used these cables


https://www.ebay.com/itm/L6-30P-to-C19-Molded-Power-Cord-10ft-220V-250V-30A-Ships-Free/202904653534?

I would consider buying one of these just because it does have most hash rate of any unit out there.

But the risk factors are high.

Due march 20-30

very easy for that to come on May 5  a 35-40 day delay

The ½ ing comes on May 1 to May 10

You could lose  30 plus pre ½ ing days of mining.

Not sure I want to risk this.  Pangolin was very good to me from August 2018 up to August 2019.  They then had a lot off late shipping issues.  I am not sure I want to lay out 2400 and not be sure of delivery.

Just for the record, max rating on the C19/C20 depends on which is used - International or North America rating - and of course the wire size the cord has.
per Interpower (who makes them)

While personally I'd use the 16A rating, the N.A. rating of 20A does make me feel better about pushing it.

Wow, another big power boy, and the efficiency just keeps getting better. The current load is indeed quite close to the nominal max. current (16 Amps) for the C19 connector. But the power consumption is quite the same as with the M20S. I did not notice any alarming heat in the C19 connector with my M20S.

Guys,

It is now up for sale!

$2,430.00

38W/TH and delivery March 20 – 30, 1.5 months (-ish) to halving.

But, 1 cable to pull 3268W ± 10% worries me alot as a home user.

https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m30s-with-psu/

bitmain is the winner for me in 2019
room runs 70-90f. every

s17 pro good. 16 of them
t17.      good.   2 of them
t17e.     good.  2  but pulls 3300-3400 watts way over spec.
s9k.      okay.    4. 1 drops out now and then.
s15.      good.   1
t15.      good.   1
t17+.    good.   1

27 pieces feb 2019 to dec 2019. various run times.  just kept adding them month by month.

Bitmain T17: 30, 2 DOA, 2 lost a hash boarddied after 3 weeks....  This is with near freezing room.
Innosilicon: 5 perfect, never had to reboot.

For 2019  Whatsminer was okay for me..   But I have not ordered much from them after my July delivery.

The prices rose and the preorder time went far out.

No 2019 builder was  truly perfect for me.

Bitmain was almost.   about 23 good and 3 so so .

next would be cannan  3 good 1 so so 1 bad

then whatsminer   7 with no issues 4  with issues.

inno was the worst for me.  1 good    1  so so  it was late and pulled lots of power.

So far Inno is the only manufacture that has not fucked me with shit gear.

After my nightmare with the M20 NFW will I ever buy gear from them again.

Have you tried other manufacturers such as?

• Bitmain
• Canaan / Avalon
• Innosilcon

Those are the three well known companies beside pangolinminers/MicroBt ,firstly try to get the gears from their website directly as it's usually cheaper, if not then try to source trusted rellers, it's really not a rocket science, it's pretty simple.

The market place is full of resellers, most are probably scammers so make sure you use escrow.

bad experience at pangolinminers ... 6 weeks delay
i want get some more miners in china, i know a fairly good place for mining ...
i dont know where i can buy

And my M20 arrived DEAD and cost 560 bucks to return...4 months after payment.

I mean do what I did. You can flip your m20s upside down and you can actually cook your breakfast on it... I cooked 2 eggs and scrambled them on my M20s. You need to think big picture it's an amazing hot plate that ALSO mines crypto.

My m20's finally are running and doing well.  The company itself is what went down south this year.  They dropped the ball hard.  I won't be buying whatsminer next year unless in stock ships same week.  Never doing a preorder with them again after this drama.

Makes a lot of sense, the last time I had to buy a Whatsminer M21s I had to get it from a resellers in China to avoid the misery, I think I paid an extra 100$ compared to buying it directly from Whatsminer but i heard about the delays and stuff so I took a safer route, non of the Chinese resellers I know of complained about not receiving their gears on time, seems like Whatsminer put those guys on top of their list and screw the rest of the world 

Having said that I do think that they will get their shit together this time if they do want to stay in the market and not lose any more clients , anyway so far they haven't announced any release data or price, if they can bet bitmain's prices I might be willing to take the risk of getting an M30s just to review it.

l would not be buying from them at this time.  as pangolin or whatsminer / microbt   did wrong.

way too many units were too slow to show.

LOL they can barely deliver their m20 and m20s's on time.  Idiots.  I'm sure it will be a idiotic (PREORDER NOW, 8 MONTHS DELIVERY) and you will get it 2 months late.  By that time bitmain will have 20J miner out and lower price.  Yea, screw whats miner.  My m20's are finally arriving tomorrow...that I ordered in July.

I run 2 m20s
I run 1 m21s

I use this cable

https://www.ebay.com/itm/L6-30P-C19-Molded-Power-Cord-10ft-220V-250V-30A-Ships-Free-/202821644944

12 gauge

my volts are about 225

so 16 x 225 = 3600 watts this is very close margin of error.

all three units get a lot of air.

they are all near 3  3000 cfm fans



I would be afraid to run 20 or 30 of these units

this is before we added these fans  the three big miners are not in place yet but would be on the left of this rack



My fear is  20 or 30 units  will be risky.

I would not mind one or two of them.

Just went back and saw that and was about to edit my post but you beat me to it. Yeah, still a lot of power for a single cable. Pretty much requires you to go 240V. 208V is over 16A , right near the limit of the C19.

Although I did see a m20s running when I visited my host a few weeks back. I felt the power cable and it wasn't warm. I think they are running 240 though and the power cord looked really beefy.

video shows 3359 watts an 88500 hash pretty impressive.

But I am not a fan of one cable for 3350 watts

Interesting. But the way it's worded in the tweet it sounds like the 88T may be at a full speed and the 38 J/T may be at a low power mode.


If that is the case, then at full speed this thing could be pulling over 4kW! I can already smell the electrical fires.....

On their twitter, Whatsminer announced a new beast, the brand new M30s.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Whatsminer_MBT/status/1203038918389616640?s=20

Does 88th at 3344watts , price and shipping dates are unkown yet,  but honestly 38j/t is quite a great achievement, i am more than happy seeing competition improvement as far as the mining industry is concerned, price will be the main thing to look for here ,so lets wait and see how this goes for whatsminer.