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On topic, I feel that a lot of it has to do with Musk. He's recently became a pro-Trump politician. Trump wants to make him a consultant, or whatever. Also, Twitter's data came out showing that the company lost a lot of value since Musk took over and renamed it.

X is privately owned. the last data is from 2022 to 2023.
He gained 50 to 70 million new users and lost some woke advertisers like Disney.
Disney lost due to wokeness a few billions themselves, the star-wars hotel was a shot in their own leg. So was the acolyte.

Latest is https://siliconangle.com/2024/09/25/x-releases-first-transparency-report-since-elon-musk-took-platform/
No financial data though all data is fixed onto the 450 million los in 2023. He saved on wages considerately.  7500 he had when taking over now he works with about 3300. That alone is a few million less on wages per month.
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This guy(Miguel Artur, or whatever his real name is) simply tells us what we already know.
1.Tesla stock price has been overvalued for years. It's time for the Tesla stock price to go back to normal levels.
2.Electric vehicles still kinda suck and the people are buying them mostly because of the government subsidies. Remove government subsidies and way less people are going to buy electric vehicles.
3.The Chinese electric vehicle manufacturers became a strong competitor mostly due to two reasons- cheap labor and government subsidies.
4.The investors still view Tesla as some kind of high tech "unicorn" startup, even though Tesla fails to become consistently profitable.
5.This "Robotaxi" project might become reality after 15 or 20 years. I don't think that most people would risk their lives using an autonomous taxi. Grin
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Why does Miguel refer to himself in third person? This is a bit awkward to read.

On topic, I feel that a lot of it has to do with Musk. He's recently became a pro-Trump politician. Trump wants to make him a consultant, or whatever. Also, Twitter's data came out showing that the company lost a lot of value since Musk took over and renamed it.

A CEO should remain apolitical, or he risks people not using his product just because of his personal views and opinions. As a leader of a company you want to sell as much as you can, not discriminating and not judging. Everybody is a client because people from all sides of the political spectrum, color and gender have money to spend.
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Amid the global electric vehicle industry surge, Tesla has become the focus of market attention due to its disruptive technology and the strong influence of its founder, Elon Musk. However, following the recent Robotaxi event, Tesla stock price plummeted nearly 9% in just a few days, reminding investors of the gap between speculation and fundamentals. Miguel Artur notes that this sharp decline reflects the market reassessment of Tesla long-term overvaluation, especially as the company actual earnings growth increasingly diverges from investor expectations. Tesla valuation once reached $760 billion, with its main automotive business accounting for only about $200 billion. Miguel Artur believes this exposes the risks of investors being overly optimistic about unverified ventures such as autonomous taxis.

Market Drivers Behind Tesla Stock Price Crash

As a leader in the global electric vehicle field, the significant stock price volatility of Tesla is not just the result of isolated events but a combination of market sentiment and misaligned valuations. Miguel Artur points out that although the Robotaxi project is filled with the allure of technological innovation, its profit potential has not yet been fully proven. The current market value of Tesla heavily relies on unverified future businesses such as autonomous driving and fully automated taxis, which still face numerous technical and regulatory challenges. Following the Robotaxi event, Tesla stock price fell nearly 9%, evaporating over $60 billion in market value, indicating that investors are gradually realizing that the stock price rise has not reflected the company actual financial condition. Miguel Artur emphasizes that investors should focus more on the company fundamentals rather than blindly following market hype.

Disconnection Between Valuation and Fundamentals: Investors Should Reevaluate Tesla

For a long time, high valuation of Tesla has attracted a lot of investor attention, especially driven by autonomous driving technology, with Tesla stock price soaring more than 70% in 2023. Miguel Artur mentions that this high valuation conceals significant uncertainties. Although the Robotaxi project has a broad prospect, it is costly and years away from true commercialization. Tesla automotive business is valued at about $200 billion, while the remaining nearly $600 billion in valuation is based on yet-to-be-verified businesses like autonomous taxis and humanoid robots. This disconnection between valuation and actual earning capacity is a significant reason for Wall Street reassessment, Miguel Artur stresses that investors need to be wary of the risks of blindly chasing price increases.

Opportunities and Risks Ahead: Long-Term Investment Value of Tesla

Although Tesla stock price is under short-term pressure, in the long run, Tesla still possesses strong innovative potential. Miguel Artur believes that if the autonomous driving and energy businesses of Tesla can successfully materialize, they will provide new growth points for the company. However, the current challenges Tesla faces should not be overlooked, especially under the slowing demand for electric vehicles and competitive pressure from traditional automakers, the company profit margins have significantly decreased from 14.6% two years ago to the current 6.3%. This trend may continue to worsen in the coming quarters. Miguel Artur points out that while considering future opportunities, investors must also recognize the current market environment, especially given high price-to-earnings ratio of 100 times of Tesla, and reasonably assess its long-term investment value.

As a symbol of global technological innovation, Tesla stock price fluctuations not only reflect the company internal challenges but also mirror the global market turbulence. Miguel Artur believes that the severe volatility following the Robotaxi event reveals the issue of a valuation bubble detached from fundamentals. Although Tesla future is full of opportunities, the current market environment is fraught with uncertainties, and investors should remain cautious, especially before the release of the third-quarter earnings report. As Wall Street reevaluates Tesla valuation, the market may face a new adjustment period. Miguel Artur analyzes that future investors must pay more attention to the company actual earning capacity rather than relying on uncertain technological hype. Whether Tesla can continue to lead the market in future global competition will depend on its ability to truly commercialize its innovative technologies.

While people are analyzing information all the time and stock market analysts watching a particular company will try to assess it's future, everyone could see what a mess Elon's demonstration was. Investors like clarity and specifics, which was very much missing and he dodged any question in that area. This whole "taxi cab" but also your regular car that you can rent out idea was a bit farfetched, not to say impossible, but for people to buy the story you need a lot of detail. In his typical fashion, when a project is not going well, he resorts to vagueness and this project has been underway for a long time already without any tangible output so far.
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typical panic motivated post, plunge? What is a plunge for you? 2% 5% 10% or a reality 30%?

5 days chart 221.25 +0.36 (+0.16%)
over 3 month tsla is down 10.5%
over 6 month tsla gained 42.33%
over a year tsla is down 13.19%
over 5 years tsla gained   1166.83%

I take it, you bought recently?
 
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Tesla's unexpected stock price surge indicates the amount of speculative euphoria left out of facts in the real world. According to the post above The Robotaxi fallout will wake investors up to rely more on the future of autonomous vehicles. It looks past extremely real challenges that the company will face. Regulatory and technological obstacles, to say nothing of the speed that the company is moving toward commercializing driverless taxis, are respectable concerns.

And I think it's worth considering Tesla's history of disrupting industries that have always pushed the boundaries of technology. It doesn't matter how likely they seem there is a problem. The company has faced skepticism before. Whether it is the mainstreaming of electric vehicles (EV) or the efficiency of battery storage But the company was able to lead in both areas. This ability to innovate is why Tesla's valuation has increased, even if it is based in part on unproven performance. Also Miguel Artur's talk on the relationship between Tesla's valuation and real earnings growth It should make any investor think carefully before exaggerating. Promoting future potential by taking a realistic look at current profitability and market conditions Tesla's margins are shrinking due to increased competition in the EV market, and investors will consider this when considering the results. Return on investment in the long term.

Tesla's recent decline, especially following the highly publicized Robotaxi event, showed just how removed investor expectations are from business fundamentals. While exciting, Tesla's vision for autonomous taxis has yet to showcase clear execution and profitability. Take, for example, analysts at Wells Fargo, who said Tesla's demo felt like a 'controlled amusement ride' that fell short compared with Waymo, already scaling operation.

While the challenges in the short term are real, as an innovator, Tesla's long-term potential remains huge. For now, though, concerns over falling EV margins, over-reliance on unproven technologies, and various other such factors are all good reasons for investors to show caution. Yes, Tesla has a rich valuation, but already, the market has begun calibrating its optimism about speculative ventures such as Robotaxis.

Of course, while the vision of driverless taxis by Tesla certainly is ambitious, the truth remains that such promises are difficult to fulfill. Comparison with Waymo showcases how other players are exploring this service. It underlines that Tesla needs to prove its ideas in the real world. Not just democratic idealists. However, I do believe that a proper view of Tesla's long-term potential is significant. While there are assuredly short-term challenges, this company has shown its capabilities to innovate and evolve. Advanced developments have occurred within the area of battery engineering. Now add the rapidly improving areas of power management and even transportation engineering. That's a departure for any auto manufacturer. Certainly, accidents can turn. And much of that alteration occurs in an adaptive industry, also.

It is, however, concerning to see that this translates into low EV profit margins, but Tesla has built a strong brand and customer loyalty into its system, making it harder to break. Moreover, their leadership position in the energy efficiency technology of EVs may bring in new sources of income. I do agree with you about the aspect of speculation. And it's very important for the investors to verify and cross over the fundamentals before proceeding to take the decision. But those same investors should not divert their attention from Tesla in terms of innovation and disruption. Curiosity and that would be a healthy understanding that leads towards long term growth. And as time passes forward, it's interesting how Tesla would get past those challenges. Will it turn the vision into a successful reality?

When I saw the updates of Tesla's new products, I thought of something first, "how affordable is it, compared to the alternatives? We all know those are very big innovations, but people won't use a product simply because it's an innovation, it has to solve a problem while also bringing in more profit than the alternatives.
How expensive is a Robotaxi going to be and how much profit is it going to bring? Is it guaranteed to bring in the cost of acquiring it and also keeping it operational, before we talk about profit? Which is cheaper for the taxi company to buy normal cars and hire drivers or buy robotaxis?
I saw that the cost of a Tesla robot is between $20k to $30k.
So what exactly can the robot do that hired people can't do cheaper and faster? Also, what is the lifespan of the robot?

As I said earlier, not many people are going to go for something, when the alternative the cheaper and at the same time can give you the same satisfaction.
Tesla's new products are next generation innovations that are before its time, so for now in my opinion, its not going to work till the cost and profit will be better than other alternatives.

While the successes of Tesla are truly phenomenal, But success is also a product that is defined by real benefits sufficiently outweighing real costs. So, your question about what benefits from Robotaxis is completely relevant. for taxi companies The capital expenditure and the operating expenses thereafter would be a determining factor to whether or not the taxi business should undertake self-driving cars. Besides, a Robotaxi for $20,000 to $30,000 would just not be justified unless it saves money compared to the traditional driver-hiring and usage of vehicle. Companies might unwilling to shift because of this traditional driver-hiring and usage of vehicle concepts. Total cost of ownership should also be taken into account. This involves preservation, insurance, and other issues related to regulation, which may add further reduction to profitability.

You also raise very serious issues concerning the capabilities of these robots versus those of drivers. Whereas the robots can offer high precision and efficiency, But again, the question is whether these robots have to prove their reliability and cost-effectiveness in real-life conditions. And if the lifespan of a Robotaxi does not vary much from that of a regular car, The value of that decision will keep on moving with better options. You are quite right in pointing out that consumers invariably steer themselves toward solutions that give equal or better value for less. Teslas innovation, however remarkable, is likely to turn out ultimately to be a fix. Real problems are better economically than simplistic solutions. Until then Such measures may have rather limited use.

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When I saw the updates of Tesla's new products, I thought of something first, "how affordable is it, compared to the alternatives? We all know those are very big innovations, but people won't use a product simply because it's an innovation, it has to solve a problem while also bringing in more profit than the alternatives.
How expensive is a Robotaxi going to be and how much profit is it going to bring? Is it guaranteed to bring in the cost of acquiring it and also keeping it operational, before we talk about profit? Which is cheaper for the taxi company to buy normal cars and hire drivers or buy robotaxis?
I saw that the cost of a Tesla robot is between $20k to $30k.
So what exactly can the robot do that hired people can't do cheaper and faster? Also, what is the lifespan of the robot?

As I said earlier, not many people are going to go for something, when the alternative the cheaper and at the same time can give you the same satisfaction.
Tesla's new products are next generation innovations that are before its time, so for now in my opinion, its not going to work till the cost and profit will be better than other alternatives.
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Tesla's recent decline, especially following the highly publicized Robotaxi event, showed just how removed investor expectations are from business fundamentals. While exciting, Tesla's vision for autonomous taxis has yet to showcase clear execution and profitability. Take, for example, analysts at Wells Fargo, who said Tesla's demo felt like a 'controlled amusement ride' that fell short compared with Waymo, already scaling operation.

While the challenges in the short term are real, as an innovator, Tesla's long-term potential remains huge. For now, though, concerns over falling EV margins, over-reliance on unproven technologies, and various other such factors are all good reasons for investors to show caution. Yes, Tesla has a rich valuation, but already, the market has begun calibrating its optimism about speculative ventures such as Robotaxis.
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Amid the global electric vehicle industry surge, Tesla has become the focus of market attention due to its disruptive technology and the strong influence of its founder, Elon Musk. However, following the recent Robotaxi event, Tesla stock price plummeted nearly 9% in just a few days, reminding investors of the gap between speculation and fundamentals. Miguel Artur notes that this sharp decline reflects the market reassessment of Tesla long-term overvaluation, especially as the company actual earnings growth increasingly diverges from investor expectations. Tesla valuation once reached $760 billion, with its main automotive business accounting for only about $200 billion. Miguel Artur believes this exposes the risks of investors being overly optimistic about unverified ventures such as autonomous taxis.

Market Drivers Behind Tesla Stock Price Crash

As a leader in the global electric vehicle field, the significant stock price volatility of Tesla is not just the result of isolated events but a combination of market sentiment and misaligned valuations. Miguel Artur points out that although the Robotaxi project is filled with the allure of technological innovation, its profit potential has not yet been fully proven. The current market value of Tesla heavily relies on unverified future businesses such as autonomous driving and fully automated taxis, which still face numerous technical and regulatory challenges. Following the Robotaxi event, Tesla stock price fell nearly 9%, evaporating over $60 billion in market value, indicating that investors are gradually realizing that the stock price rise has not reflected the company actual financial condition. Miguel Artur emphasizes that investors should focus more on the company fundamentals rather than blindly following market hype.

Disconnection Between Valuation and Fundamentals: Investors Should Reevaluate Tesla

For a long time, high valuation of Tesla has attracted a lot of investor attention, especially driven by autonomous driving technology, with Tesla stock price soaring more than 70% in 2023. Miguel Artur mentions that this high valuation conceals significant uncertainties. Although the Robotaxi project has a broad prospect, it is costly and years away from true commercialization. Tesla automotive business is valued at about $200 billion, while the remaining nearly $600 billion in valuation is based on yet-to-be-verified businesses like autonomous taxis and humanoid robots. This disconnection between valuation and actual earning capacity is a significant reason for Wall Street reassessment, Miguel Artur stresses that investors need to be wary of the risks of blindly chasing price increases.

Opportunities and Risks Ahead: Long-Term Investment Value of Tesla

Although Tesla stock price is under short-term pressure, in the long run, Tesla still possesses strong innovative potential. Miguel Artur believes that if the autonomous driving and energy businesses of Tesla can successfully materialize, they will provide new growth points for the company. However, the current challenges Tesla faces should not be overlooked, especially under the slowing demand for electric vehicles and competitive pressure from traditional automakers, the company profit margins have significantly decreased from 14.6% two years ago to the current 6.3%. This trend may continue to worsen in the coming quarters. Miguel Artur points out that while considering future opportunities, investors must also recognize the current market environment, especially given high price-to-earnings ratio of 100 times of Tesla, and reasonably assess its long-term investment value.

As a symbol of global technological innovation, Tesla stock price fluctuations not only reflect the company internal challenges but also mirror the global market turbulence. Miguel Artur believes that the severe volatility following the Robotaxi event reveals the issue of a valuation bubble detached from fundamentals. Although Tesla future is full of opportunities, the current market environment is fraught with uncertainties, and investors should remain cautious, especially before the release of the third-quarter earnings report. As Wall Street reevaluates Tesla valuation, the market may face a new adjustment period. Miguel Artur analyzes that future investors must pay more attention to the company actual earning capacity rather than relying on uncertain technological hype. Whether Tesla can continue to lead the market in future global competition will depend on its ability to truly commercialize its innovative technologies.
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