Topic: Military complex and weapons and defence companies getting now all the money (Read 411 times)

Sorry to intrude, and I apologize in advance for a very cruel question. Say, for example, a situation - your mother/wife/daughter is attacked by a maniac, trying to rob, rape and kill. A couple of other bastards come to his aid.  Question, or rather confirm, I understand correctly, you will say in this situation that the “helpers” of the maniac are not to blame, and the maniac himself was forced to spend forces, and even possibly experience some discomfort..... And the police and the court who want to apprehend the criminal and punish him will provoke his aggression ? Am I right or am I wrong?

Again, I apologize if I caused you discomfort and hurt your personal feelings.

PS People tend to underestimate other people's problems, their causes, but people are very demanding to evaluate their own problems.....

You have some incorrect ideas about the beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian war and its causes. As a sovereign state, Ukraine has set a course for joining the European Union and NATO. But Putin, who has been in power in Russia for more than twenty years, has a plan to voluntarily and forcibly return the countries of the former USSR under Russia's influence. Ukraine did not voluntarily submit to Russia; the stage of its coercion by military means has begun. But this time, the Kremlin has decided not only to destroy Ukraine as a state, but also Ukrainians as a nation. Therefore, harsh Russification is taking place in the occupied territories of Ukraine, and those who disagree are simply killed or evicted to remote, depressed areas of Russia.

Are you also suggesting that we pity the Russians for the fact that by killing Ukrainians and destroying their cities and villages on Ukrainian soil, they are suffering great losses? This is simply cynicism and blasphemy on your part. Russia can end this cruel and bloody war any day by simply withdrawing its invading troops from Ukraine.

The United States did not start this war and warned both Ukraine and the world at large about Russia's plans to attack Ukraine.

Perhaps you are from Ukraine? I am sorry about the war going on in your country and what you and the Ukrainian people are going through. But if we judge fairly, we cannot blame Russia or the countries that are helping Russia entirely. You need to remember that war also causes losses for Russia from military to economic and I don't think any country wants to fall into this situation. Also, let's see which country benefits the most from this war. The country that does not directly participate in the war but benefits the most is the country that causes the war. We should not blame all the countries that are at war because they are also suffering and stuck in war.

If there is a new arms race and worse, a third world war, the United States is the one that caused it all, not because they wanted it to happen, but because they miscalculated in starting the war but could not control it as they wanted.

When one has a matter of life and death, the solution becomes a weapon to defend and destroy the enemy. Yes, this is when some companies get an additional profit. Yes, it doesn't look very positive from an idealist's point of view, and it looks silly from the point of view of a pragmatist trying to make life better by investing money in more logical directions. But the situation is what it is. Therefore, as long as there will be criminal regimes, the normal world will have to spend a lot on the military-industrial complex to counterbalance them.... There are simply no other options to stop the new “Hitlers”. No because the world has decided to play tolerance and “not to inflame the situation” letting the new “Hitlers” gain strength showing their impotence, political impotence and forgetting about their obligations....

The military industrial complex has been milking most governments for a hell of a long time, this is far from a new development. They often end up charging obscene amounts for even the most trivial of items, because they often have to go through rigorous testing processes in order to claim certification for a certain purpose, yet they realistically are often produced at a much lower market price. There is sometimes corruption involved and senior politicians can also play a part in this, there are all sorts of ways these abuses can creep in. That being said, the military is often the last protector of any country and needs to be very strong if you want to project power elsewhere.

The catalyst for the intensification of current military actions and a new arms race in the world is Putin's Russia, which has been trying to seize Ukraine by military means for the third year. Now Russia is already provoking the outbreak of World War III, attracting soldiers from North Korea to the war with Ukraine, providing this country with new military technologies in return. Russia also uses drones and missiles from Iran on the territory of Ukraine, in addition, currently about 70 percent of the shells fired by Russia at Ukraine are supplied from North Korea.

At the same time, Russia still wants to accuse Ukraine of having the audacity to defend itself from the Russian invasion. The United States and European countries are forced to provide Ukraine with weapons and finances in order to protect universal values and maintain the security of the world order. At the same time, it is natural that military products are in high demand, and therefore the defense industry plants are working at full capacity.

Yes, every nation has to invest to their military in order to be prepared as the world we live in today is very unpredictable as well. And with that, there are really military contracts not just let's say in the US but also throughout the world.

Even in the last 80's to early 90's war when Saddam invaded Kuwait (Persian gulf war), both side of their supposedly allied countries are giving them or shall we say selling them military weapons. So that is the bad image of war, everyone is against everyone but at the end of the day, the most powerful countries are selling their weapons.

It is inevitable for a country to invest in defense in the kind of world we live in today, it is like most countries are just spending money in preparation for war, though some countries have a bigger budget for defense than others. To be fair, it is better to be ready to defend your sovereignty than not, because it can be threatened at anytime by another nation.

That being said, it is just sad that a lot of funding has to go into causes like this, when there are better areas of life that could be developed with such funds. It is what it is at the end of the day, and it will be the poor soldiers dying on the battlefield for a war that they know nothing about.

I think it is because they can be able to capitalize for more equipment and men. They are also able to buy those and resell it for those who are in need. Actually there are people who wants to hear what you are saying there but that is if they are also living on the same nation because they can also benefit from it.

Maybe there are also/still people living on the same nation that doesn't have that same mindset because they feel guilty for those who will be affected by the wars. If it's about being a criminal, I think some weapon sellers are clean but this was just the normal perception of the people because weapons are usually related to criminals or they are using them to defend their selves and to hurt their victims. Illegal drugs are being connected on them as well.

Every country must protect their sovereignty and having arms and ammunition is the way to do it. So ammunition to beef up defense must be a top priority and that is why so much money is always mapped out for defense weapons procurements. Defense companies that produces weapons must be very rich because their products will always be in demand. If they have enough money to borrow countries that are in need, then it's an added advantage to their businesses. Substantial allocations for defense and weapon procurement for nations budgets are unavoidable evils, they must be taken care of to mentain peace in their countries.

Military spending is understandably rising because the wars are on the rise and countries are realizing that unfortunately being attacked by another country isn't a problem of the past, so significant spending on the military makes sense. As for how it's done, I think it's better to pay when one can pay, and borrow when there's no other option. After all, borrowing does eventually come at a cost, to some generation or other. My country is in a position of desperately needing more weapons and upgrading our military, and we are spending tons of money on it (the vast majority of annual influx coming from taxes), but we're also taking loans because there's no other option for us. Still, it's not because 'why pay if you can borrow', it's 'borrow because you really need it right now but can't pay'. And there will surely be a time when it all hits hard.

But you know some countries are doing all those things for security reasons because if their people are saved in the country,the government will begin to generate income that will make them to continue to develop the country. I know there are some leaders who are using war equipments to make funds from government account and if you look such leaders very well, you will begin to see corruption around the country which is a bad habit to any leaders, and it will be difficult for such countries that get involve of spending huge amount of funds on weapons to make progress with such corrupt leaders.

When I learnt that most of the countries of the world are in debt, I began to wonder how it happened and who the creditors are. Another thing that baffles me is how the creditors were able to raise those funds to be able to give out those loans. From your post, it align with my earlier knowledge that the creditors such as IMF, world bank and other international organizations are actually funded by countries of the world yet they turn around to control their economies, decide the strength of their currencies and how much of their currency they can print. It seems the military industrial complex were also created to maintain the creation of these monetary systems that makes it easier to control the governments of the world. I don't know why things are designed this way.

Not a new news that military has a huge budget in almost every nation, specially in the USA they get even more, a huge huge number. So, when you do a business and you do it to military then you can overcharge, as long as you can convince the people who would love to accept your deal, they are not looking int other money part.

For example, you are going to provide some X item to military, and this is USA, just an example. One person offers 100 dollars per item, and the other offers 300 per item, none of that would matter, as long as they like the 300 dude, they would go with them, they only care about contacts and networking, not the price because they have the money for it to purchase whatever they want. Of course then all these soldiers come back from the war, and they wait hours in line at VA and given appointments to weeks later. Because, military doesn't use the money for "not soldier anymore" people.

Look, wherever there is a war, the people who live there lose, but the winners of the war gain, or people from other countries come and take some goods. Yes, people stay away from war because it destroys the lives of two countries, that's why people don't like it. Because of Israel, most things are provided and promises are made to other countries of the world, because of which they are supported.  Yes, yoyur point maybe right but there are hidden things that are printed with them. But soon a solution will come out for which Israel will have to pay a heavy price.

Unfortunately, there is no way the military industry will stop... They are so big and strong that only a super being from that movie can stop them. Until that day (which has no chance of coming) we are doomed to watch the war machine mercilessly mow down people all over the world. There are so many hot spots of war, people are full of hatred and they just want more weapons and the death that these weapons bring.

A civilized world has never existed, there are only advanced countries that exploit the weaker ones... It was like that before, it's like that now, and it will probably be like that in the future... the hard truth.

Wars, famine, diseases  and sickness are all tools for the rich and powerful.
The business of weaponry has witnessed massive growth for ages and it will keep doing so, as more gun bills are signed and individuals can own, license and carry live ammunition because of unrest or incivility or terrorism or wars that can arise suddenly.
 There's so much wars and rumors of wars ongoing in different regions of the world simultaneously and that means that there must be weapons available to fight and this is a need only the rich and powerful in the weapons business, can manipulate to their profits. Same applies for the drug pharmaceutical industry that may be solely responsible for vaccines production as well as other drugs and medications to fight diseases, disorders and sickness.

The only way this can happen is the old school 1950’s movie the “day the earth stood still” needs to become the worlds reality.


Most likely not going to happen.

This is what the civilized world has unfortunately become, they spend huge amounts of money that should have been spent on building civilized services and facilities, they spend it on companies that manufacture weapons and destruction.

Of course, these companies that manufacture weapons are always looking for new markets to sell their products, so they pay politicians and arms dealers to create new wars in different parts of the world to sell their weapons, so it is not surprising to see conflicts and wars spread around the world.

In my opinion, it is completely wrong for there to be private companies that manufacture weapons, the weapons industry should be the exclusive preserve of governments, all these companies should be closed.

Korea was a push. All other were losses in terms of vanquished opposition and territory.

war is for rich garbage to get richer.and  somewhat of a population control.

The military industrial complex has been getting lots of money for decades and it is far from new. Most of the wars America has fought since WW2 have been pretty pointless, as we see from the final outcomes if we look back on them. Invading Iraq did very little, same with Afghanistan, Vietnam and all the others in between - they are still in a very similar place to how they were before. If you look at the Iraq war, there were a lot of senior politicians who were connected to military manufacturers and they walked away with a lot of money as they entered retirement. It is the pinnacle of corruption you might say and was very easily disguised because governments come up with wars for very poorly thought out reasons most of the time.

I agree that as long as the war is not over and becomes more and more intense , the fear of nuclear war will become more and more present. But in my opinion, neither the US nor Russia wants that to happen because they know that both will be wiped off the world map if a nuclear war breaks out.  Especially the US , as the world's number one power ,  they will not sacrifice themselves just for the safety or survival of a country like Ukraine . That is why the war has lasted for 3 years but they still have not provided Ukraine with the most modern weapons and have not allowed Ukraine to attack too deep into Russian territory .

Both are top nuclear weapons states , no one understands better than them the consequences if nuclear war happens , it will not be like WW II , nuclear war will not give us the chance to start over and rebuild everything.

Are you sure that the companies of the war industrial complex are lending money(or buying bonds) to the governments? Can you provide any proof? Without proof, your theory sounds like "shower thoughts" and there's no reason to discuss theories that sound ridiculous.
The owners of companies, that produce weapons for the military can do whatever they want with their profits. The governments are offering bonds on the debt markets. Everyone could buy government bonds. Some of the buyers might be owners or shareholders of Lockheed Martin or Reinmetal. What do you suggest? The countries to stop buying weapons? This would never happen.

War is profitable for some big, powerful nations. People might not want to hear it but it’s the truth. I am a firm believer that  is serious criminal behaviours going on by big nations who are profiting from the war in Ukraine & the conflict Israel are involved in. It’s not just weapons corporations, it’s one big club & web of deceit which we are not in.

The thing here is that in the United States the US spends more on it's military budget each year than all other nations combined.  That's not a typo, ALL other nations combined.  I sit here and think of all the good the US could do with this money if they took even only just a fraction away from military spending and put it to good use for things such as schools and hospitals.  It's completely messed up and unfort as citizens theres really not much we can do about it.

I think that whole military related task should be managed and regulated by the government instead of 3rd party companies but it is what it is, so there is definitely a huge amount of money created out of thin air, like it was created during the Covid pandemic (Where is Covid? How did it disappear after Russia-Ukraine war?).
By the way, I have never read that countries borrow money from companies like Lockhead. Why does country has to borrow money from any company when they can print it at any time they wish at any quantity they wish? Doesn't really make sense.

It's it obvious? Economy depends on the money circulation! So when countries payment the big defence companies to produce arms for them, these companies create jobs for production and pay salaries to them which the employees use to buy provisions. That's how an economy works!

Money is all about circulation. It doesn't work if someone is sitting on a pile of cash!

Although that's the goal but that also is the same as being close to a nuclear war (WW3). We are just one mistake away from nukes starting to fly and Russia is going to directly attack United States because the missiles they were talking about are American and are controlled and launched by American troops against Russia.
If that happens, Russia, US, Europe (including Ukraine) will all be wiped out and the rest of us have to live the with the consequences of a nuclear war on our planet...

Watch what this US intelligence officer says about it: https://youtu.be/Ypk75F1jB0A?t=854

Who is the leader of the United Nations? Who is the one who supports and gives Israel the freedom to attack? They are terrorists, bloodthirsty killers who claim to be messengers of peace. They call Russia's attack on Ukraine a brutal and evil war, but they are the ones supporting butchers like Israel who are killing innocent people. I find what Israel is doing in the Middle East a hundred times worse than what is happening on the battlefields of Russia and Ukraine.


The United States and NATO have their own intentions in using Ukraine to confront Russia. Some newspapers are exaggerating the incident to make people believe that World War III is about to happen. But no, the United States will never let that happen because that is not their goal in this war, their goal is to weaken and exhaust Russia.

They are still the world's dominant power, they hold everything in their hands, so they will never let world war 3 happen because it will destroy everything they have. I never believed that the US wanted world war 3 to happen because it would destroy them, if things got out of control they would be willing to sacrifice some scapegoats.

The reality is there has been huge profits for the defense contractors-including Lockheed Martin in light of increased military spending. For instance, record military budgets are now recorded throughout NATO countries, with more than 20 members likely to meet their respective target of 2% of GDP for the defense budget. For one thing, this is not exactly the same money taken out and lent back, because military spending is another budget, and when countries take loans, they usually are from global financial institutions, not directly from the defense contractors.

But yes, you do have a point in that aspect of an increasing financial burden: growing military expenses because of conflicts like Ukraine; smaller economies may not be able to balance military spending with other priorities in terms of finance. It does not mean that the system is so contrived as to exploit these countries financially, but surely, choices have to be made that will pit security against financial stability.

If their company comes in a war in which these weapons are made, will they also benefit?  War is a very wrong decision.  This leads to many people dying to light a side fire.  But they will get the benefits only for a short period of time and not again and again.  Weapons are made to protect other people, not to take the lives of oppressed people۔  So you will also know that they have received many punishments and will continue to receive them.  This should be seen by our government because it is because of them that we deceive each other and mix things up.  It is a good thing that in the first wars there were other people and now if it is our turn there is no problem but we should be happy.

Some nations that are financing these wars have huge debt threatening their financial stability. But because they have other evil intentions, they are willing to use taxpayers' money to finance wars instead of channelling it to developmental purposes.

Israel and its allies seem to have the freedom to kill at will. The UN has proved that it is powerless. So I doubt if the conflict will lead to a world war. I don't think the West will approve Ukraine's appeal to use long-range missiles against Russia. If such approval is given, Russia's reaction will determine if there will be another global war.

Paying for ordered equipments is as simple as exchange of money and goods while business still goes on if assumes that you borrows back the money from the dealer.
There is no just rebels on that because it is expected that debtors must have to pay. You also cant tell if there maybe collateral in such transactions which failure to payback the debt would have the lender nothing to loose.
What I am most worried about the governments spending much monies on weapons is that the government would find all means to acquire weapons just to fight a war but could not find solution to fight human needs in cases of educations, hospitalities and creating better economy levels to suit the masses.

The nation that benefits most from war is the nation that causes war and enjoys war. You are right, they always say they don't like war, they are messengers of peace but actually they really want war to happen because that is the way for them to get rich quick. They only care about their own pockets and consider other people's lives as trash, so it is naive to believe what the empire says.


There is no doubt that humanity is doomed and it is only a matter of time because of human greed. But about World War 3, I don't think it will happen soon or it will be a nuclear war like many people are imagining. I believe that war in the modern world will be economic war, biological war (disease, pandemic...) and they will be more unpredictable than physical war.

Not the same company. For example Lockheed Martin is more of an arms dealer that is running a scam by controlling the US government who then starts wars so that this company can fill its pockets. But when those countries want to borrow money they borrow it from another organization that has nothing to do with the arms dealers. Organizations like IMF.

That's why they like war, for profits. They don't simply care about other people as long as they are making their bank accounts almost blown up by destroying mother earth, killing innocent people, and any kind pf destruction. That's the sad reality going on since the start of humankind, the greediness.

It's all about the survival of the fittest, rich people becomes even more rich by milking the lowest people in the society. There's no hope in humankind, we're all doomed. I'm not gonna be surprise if there's going to be a world war 3 soon.

Russia's large-scale military invasion of Ukraine and the bloodiest war in Europe since World War II, which has been going on for three years, unexpectedly triggered an arms race. Russia has shown itself to be an aggressor that seeks to seize neighboring states, and this has caused a natural response in Europe and around the world. European countries have sharply increased their defense spending, rearmament of the army, and an increase in its numbers. NATO has come to life. Now they are hastily working out practical issues of transferring their troops to the western border, especially to the Baltic countries, deploying additional troop contingents there, working out issues of evacuating a large number of wounded across the borders of EU countries, and much more.

In addition, European countries have given almost all of the Soviet equipment they have, which they have had since the Warsaw Pact, to Ukraine. In return, they are receiving modern advanced weapons, especially from the United States, which have proven themselves well on the Ukrainian battlefield.

Russia wanted to seize Ukraine in a few days and hoped that Europe would simply not have time to react to this. But the heroic resistance of the Ukrainian people has upset all the Kremlin's plans. Isolated and under sanctions, Russia is no longer able to compete in such an arms race. The Kremlin is now in shock over the events that they themselves provoked...

Actually, You raise valid points concerning funding with regard to military expenses and how the chances are that different countries They end up owing for the money they contributed to the private companies. This has then brought forward defense budget constraints and economic dependency on military actions. It is somehow paradoxical when countries Spend more funds on defense but end up in financial crisis later on. This obliges them to borrow from the agency. This type of analysis tends to focus attention on public questions and the long-range impact such spending might have.

Countries pay now for military companies like lockhead maartin and baes.
Imagine for example NATO countries pay for equipment now and later when those countries struggle financially they need to borrow money and they get money from the same companies who they pay now.
So why pay that money lol ....If they have to borrow the same money back later.
So it's like i steal your money and then i offering to you Im generous i give you with low rate loan lol 😁 your own money.
World is in money crisis only ones who got fat wallets of money will be military companies but they will not help.