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Topic: Mining is getting me nowhere, what about poker? (Read 3968 times)
I've only managed to get like .25 bitcoins so far from mining ( a month) and i was thinking maybe i can grow it faster by playing online bitcoin poker.
Im a pretty decent player and of course there is a big chance of me losing, but i am willing to take the risk.
Do any of you guys do this? If so, which site do you use?
Im a pretty decent player and of course there is a big chance of me losing, but i am willing to take the risk.
Do any of you guys do this? If so, which site do you use?
I am just going to chime in on the poster's original question. I enjoy playing poker and have been fortunate to do well. At this point, SealswithClubs has the players and I play there however at the same time I play at BetcoinPoker.com because I play to win btc and they have 24 GTD tournaments and a freeroll daily. They have fewer players than seals which gives everyone a better chance of winning and some of the tournaments can play with only 3 players. I highly recommend it if you are trying to really win btc, they also have the best software and great support.
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What people are failing to realize is a processor is fully incapable of producing a random number on its own and its run on 32 bit programming to produce the random numbers which produces the seed used to produce a random outcome in a real deck of cards, there are 52! (approximately 2^226) possible unique shuffles. Also that the seed needs to pick from a for a 32-bit random number generator and all computers are limited to being 32-bit number or 64 bit number MAX!We need a computer 4 times the power that is available today! bet even then it is just a perceived randomness nothing can simulate the real life organic factor its always going to be something like it or close but never it, meaning that there are just over 4 billion to 8 billion possible seeds and 64 bit is only 8 billion. Since a PRNG deck is reinitialized and the generator re-seeded before each shuffle, only 4 billion possible shuffles can result from a 32 bit algorithm and 8 billion from a 64 bit computer when around 32 billion is needed. Four billion and eight billion possible shuffles is alarmingly less than 52 a shuffle that has a number variance of 2^226 !.Do the math a 32 bit can't do it and 64 bit programming doesn't fair much better all computers are limited by this factor there's no way around it its like trying to fill a 64 gallon jug with 226 gallons of water! no matter what they use until we are able to create minimum 226 +bit computers able to process over 28 billion calculations!!!!! we are nowhere near that yet white noise and what not only produce about a fraction of the possible outcomes and all these poker programs only really use a limited amount of the deck and what they can come up with is a somewhat fair for all but it will never be real poker with the odds of reality taking away all regular poker knowledge almost go out the window because you don't have the 2^226 probability your stuck with only 2^32 to 2^64 that changes everything that is why you will see over time the same card scenarios used because of these factors.It can make sure it can appear random a random couple million but not 2^226 that's a huge math difference.Computers today can never ever truly be random the math doesn't lie what you always get is perceived randomness the best a computer is ever capable of !not TRUE RANDOMNESS it can never be duplicated but only somewhat imitated.......... inlayman terms 2^226 address cant fit in a 32 bit address or 64 bit address that computers are bound too! 2^32 nor a 2^64 processor and computer software is completely incapable of this feat so the best they can do is shuffle a a limited amount of sequences that are able to be picked from the seed that determines the oucome of cards 4 billion and 8 billion respectively as you can see in the math it's quite obvious no computer today can achieve true random this hasn't changed over the years its the same now as it was back then we are still stuck with the same problem of not being able to achieve 2^226 as in postof link one you can see that cigital is the same company that reviews pokerstars stats and they lay out how their algorithm works they don't use 2^226 because all those cards won't come into play so what they do is use the maximum amount of cards that they can achieve true enough randomness with so its fair for all as they say but it isn't fair when you don't have 2^226 odds of hitting a ace like a real game of poker your left with a watered down randomness of 2^32 or 2^64 which is much more predictable then 2^226 . this completely changes the real game of poker because these poker programs aren't able to compute such a large number as 2^226.You take anything away by a milli percent it's not the same game it changes everything even 1 % differance changes everything but were talking almost 4 times the size of randomness differance that's huge its not the same game with these odds you will never have the same odds as in a real game in hitting your desired card so you can't possibly play things the same as in a real game the odds just aren't simply there people are doomed to fail if they play it as live poker........
If someone wants to prove me wrong put up PROOF other words your just stating what you think? not what you know
the proof is in the second link also the video shows and proves also how it is scientifically proving fact true randomness can't match nor duplicate what happens in real life it is called the random WOT where the next move is always unpredictable and overtime psuedo generator starts to always become predictable computers are DETERMINISTIC and have to do what they are told and programmed to do with rules and true randomness has no rules this is a technological hurdle that can't simply be overcome the math doesn't lie unless you can somehow prove 32 bit or a 64 bit address capped at 2^32 and 2^64 can fit something as big as 2^226 in it? this case is closed.......This is how it can never be achieved by a computer and this can all be figured out by reading these things.............................
And I give respect when respect is giving if you come at me?I'll come at you!!! rash is first insults me .......then insult my intelligence by claiming to be a MATH MATHEMATICIAN! come on seriously
.... lol and he couldn't figure out 2^226 is way way larger than 4 billion which correlates too 2^32 for you slow people who haven't been paying attention 
remember? that he said his processor could handle the calculations so THINKS can handle randomness? and nobody caught that!! lol ROFL that is just TROLL GOLD and a insult to MATH..............
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If someone wants to prove me wrong put up PROOF other words your just stating what you think? not what you know
the proof is in the second link also the video shows and proves also how it is scientifically proving fact true randomness can't match nor duplicate what happens in real life it is called the random WOT where the next move is always unpredictable and overtime psuedo generator starts to always become predictable computers are DETERMINISTIC and have to do what they are told and programmed to do with rules and true randomness has no rules this is a technological hurdle that can't simply be overcome the math doesn't lie unless you can somehow prove 32 bit or a 64 bit address capped at 2^32 and 2^64 can fit something as big as 2^226 in it? this case is closed.......This is how it can never be achieved by a computer and this can all be figured out by reading these things.............................And I give respect when respect is giving if you come at me?I'll come at you!!! rash is first insults me .......then insult my intelligence by claiming to be a MATH MATHEMATICIAN! come on seriously
.... lol and he couldn't figure out 2^226 is way way larger than 4 billion which correlates too 2^32 for you slow people who haven't been paying attention remember? that he said his processor could handle the calculations so THINKS can handle randomness? and nobody caught that!! lol ROFL that is just TROLL GOLD and a insult to MATH..............1GVHjQbBcQcevigT5nwShFt2mCyi8YqKrv
You should learn to KNOW what you are talking about before commenting what is your theory based on?I THINK or I KNOW?Oh wait its obviously you have your DOCTORATE in" I THINK" If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.
Do you have no idea how much bullshit you're talking here? For the record, I'm a mathematician, so you don't have to try and impress me with claiming things about "simple Math" or "Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP!" (what's up with the weird capitalization anyway?). If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.A standard 52-card shuffled eck has about 226 bits of information (2^226 possible shuffles). If I roll dice (d6, to be precise), I can generate such a shuffle with 88 dice-rolls, which definitely isn't impossible. You also state that it is impossible for a CPU to "Handle A BILLION calculations!". My quad-core CPU runs at about 4 GHz, which is 4 billion clock ticks per second. According to Intels manual, integer addition (for example: 183 + 912) has a latency of 1 cycle and integer multiplication (183 * 912) has a latency of 3 cycles. So with the 16 billion clock cycles that my 4 CPU-cores run through per second, they could, in theory, perform 16 billion additions or just over 5 billion multiplications. Per second. Now most useful calculations will be a little bit more complicated, but the order of magnitude is there.
Fortunately, generating a shuffled deck doesn't take billions of calculations. It just takes a random 226 bit number. While a good random number generator is not straight forward to make on a computer, it's perfectly possible. The computer could sample static from a disconnected line-in / mic jack on the soundcard. This static noise should provide more than enough entropy for proper random number generation.
While the number of possible deck shuffles is indeed very large (a billion doesn't even do justice to the magnitude of the number), it is rather straightforward to generate it. And it is certainly not something that would take a high end CPU "years and year some months" (huh?). As an interesting comparison, a Bitcoin private key is a 256 bit number, where there are almost 2^256 possible private keys (so about a billion times more than the number of possible deck shuffles) and our computers have no problems randomly generating those by the boatload.
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By not being able to give true random odds the system is very PREDICTABLE I can win over 80% of my hands all the time and everyone else could too if they knew the system.All the poker sites use the same software my bitcoin is worth way too much to bet with poker and the poker sites around are kind of hackey and after Fulltilt and losing thousands too insolvency and gov I'm all set with ever giving a poker site my money again FUCK THAT lol ill take a live game @ FOXWOODS FTW! except if Pokerstars cameback to the states I would gladly go back 
. So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU 
but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose
The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
Complete randomness can't, by its very definition, be predicted.. So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
What can be predicted, sometimes, are sloppy implementations by casino operators. Regardless of the game or the bet or the system, if the operator isn't careful in properly implementing the software, it can be exploited. But this doesn't mean that it is fundamentally impossible to create a fair game that can't be cheated, unlike what you like to claim.
a shuffle has a number variance of 8.0658x1067 way over a billion I never said it had a Billion just way overit it and way over your petty little pentium capabilities you obviously know nothing about computers Your still trying to compare REAL world numbers with random numbers generated by a computer and dice and cards are 2 different completely sets of odds and probabilities 12 random against against 52 which is over 4 times greater real Math GENIUS there A computer has to always live by a PROGRAMMED SET OF RULES as true randomness doesn't have to ever but maybe if you read anything on psuedo number generators instead of talking out your ass because you know jack shit!! lol and read and learn how they actually work you might realize it will never be the same ever....Learn something and maybe you will EARN something DUMB ASS.........http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php
http://www.khanacademy.org/math/applied-math/cryptography/crypt/v/random-vs--pseudorandom-number-generators#!( watch the VIDEO)
http://voices.yahoo.com/random-number-generators-vs-pseudo-random-number-generators-3495601.html
http://www.random.org/randomness/
http://www.lauradhamilton.com/random-lessons-online-poker-exploit
http://voices.yahoo.com/random-number-generators-vs-pseudo-random-number-generators-3495601.html
Im going to chime in here. As a fair warning I do not know alot about this stuff and just going responding to what the previous guy said to cause you to insult him.
Your first link shows how these people cracked the RNG (im going to refer to it as that) and were able to predict what the deck was every hand online. Personally i was around when this came out. This was years ago when i played online poker a lot. I remember this story breaking on 2+2 and reading about it. Like it also mentions on the page is that it is possible to create a random deck but the code that was used was flawed. I believe you are arguing with the user Rannasha and he clearly said the same thing these guys said. It is possible to create a truly random deck if it is done right.
Your second link also mentions that it is possible to use static noise or random sound to generate a truly random number. Rannasha also mentioned this is in post. He said a mic could be used to generate a random sound.
I found the third link to be pretty much pointless. It also says that RNGS are arguably random as if they are not they have not found a pattern or know how to find a pattern in them yet.
Your fourth link once again mentions TRUE random number generators that once again hits on what Rannasha originally said using static noise from a mic to make a true random number
Your fifth link is the same story as your first link
And finally your 6th link is the same as your 3rd link.
So basically what you have done is proven, by the links you pasted, that what Rannasha said is not only absolutely doable it is also a true random number.
I think Rannasha owes you a tip for proving his/her point for them.
You should learn to KNOW what you are talking about before commenting what is your theory based on?I THINK or I KNOW?Oh wait its obviously you have your DOCTORATE in" I THINK" If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.
Do you have no idea how much bullshit you're talking here? For the record, I'm a mathematician, so you don't have to try and impress me with claiming things about "simple Math" or "Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP!" (what's up with the weird capitalization anyway?). If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.A standard 52-card shuffled eck has about 226 bits of information (2^226 possible shuffles). If I roll dice (d6, to be precise), I can generate such a shuffle with 88 dice-rolls, which definitely isn't impossible. You also state that it is impossible for a CPU to "Handle A BILLION calculations!". My quad-core CPU runs at about 4 GHz, which is 4 billion clock ticks per second. According to Intels manual, integer addition (for example: 183 + 912) has a latency of 1 cycle and integer multiplication (183 * 912) has a latency of 3 cycles. So with the 16 billion clock cycles that my 4 CPU-cores run through per second, they could, in theory, perform 16 billion additions or just over 5 billion multiplications. Per second. Now most useful calculations will be a little bit more complicated, but the order of magnitude is there.
Fortunately, generating a shuffled deck doesn't take billions of calculations. It just takes a random 226 bit number. While a good random number generator is not straight forward to make on a computer, it's perfectly possible. The computer could sample static from a disconnected line-in / mic jack on the soundcard. This static noise should provide more than enough entropy for proper random number generation.
While the number of possible deck shuffles is indeed very large (a billion doesn't even do justice to the magnitude of the number), it is rather straightforward to generate it. And it is certainly not something that would take a high end CPU "years and year some months" (huh?). As an interesting comparison, a Bitcoin private key is a 256 bit number, where there are almost 2^256 possible private keys (so about a billion times more than the number of possible deck shuffles) and our computers have no problems randomly generating those by the boatload.
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By not being able to give true random odds the system is very PREDICTABLE I can win over 80% of my hands all the time and everyone else could too if they knew the system.All the poker sites use the same software my bitcoin is worth way too much to bet with poker and the poker sites around are kind of hackey and after Fulltilt and losing thousands too insolvency and gov I'm all set with ever giving a poker site my money again FUCK THAT lol ill take a live game @ FOXWOODS FTW! except if Pokerstars cameback to the states I would gladly go back . So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose
The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
Complete randomness can't, by its very definition, be predicted.. So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
What can be predicted, sometimes, are sloppy implementations by casino operators. Regardless of the game or the bet or the system, if the operator isn't careful in properly implementing the software, it can be exploited. But this doesn't mean that it is fundamentally impossible to create a fair game that can't be cheated, unlike what you like to claim.
a shuffle has a number variance of 8.0658x1067 way over a billion I never said it had a Billion just way overit it and way over your petty little pentium capabilities you obviously know nothing about computers Your still trying to compare REAL world numbers with random numbers generated by a computer and dice and cards are 2 different completely sets of odds and probabilities 12 random against against 52 which is over 4 times greater real Math GENIUS there A computer has to always live by a PROGRAMMED SET OF RULES as true randomness doesn't have to ever but maybe if you read anything on psuedo number generators instead of talking out your ass because you know jack shit!! lol and read and learn how they actually work you might realize it will never be the same ever....Learn something and maybe you will EARN something DUMB ASS.........http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php
http://www.khanacademy.org/math/applied-math/cryptography/crypt/v/random-vs--pseudorandom-number-generators#!( watch the VIDEO)
http://voices.yahoo.com/random-number-generators-vs-pseudo-random-number-generators-3495601.html
http://www.random.org/randomness/
http://www.lauradhamilton.com/random-lessons-online-poker-exploit
http://voices.yahoo.com/random-number-generators-vs-pseudo-random-number-generators-3495601.html
You do realize it is possible to argue your point without insulting people right? When you insult people you lose credibility. Just my 2 cents.
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You should learn to KNOW what you are talking about before commenting what is your theory based on?I THINK or I KNOW?Oh wait its obviously you have your DOCTORATE in" I THINK" If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.
Do you have no idea how much bullshit you're talking here? For the record, I'm a mathematician, so you don't have to try and impress me with claiming things about "simple Math" or "Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP!" (what's up with the weird capitalization anyway?). If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.A standard 52-card shuffled eck has about 226 bits of information (2^226 possible shuffles). If I roll dice (d6, to be precise), I can generate such a shuffle with 88 dice-rolls, which definitely isn't impossible. You also state that it is impossible for a CPU to "Handle A BILLION calculations!". My quad-core CPU runs at about 4 GHz, which is 4 billion clock ticks per second. According to Intels manual, integer addition (for example: 183 + 912) has a latency of 1 cycle and integer multiplication (183 * 912) has a latency of 3 cycles. So with the 16 billion clock cycles that my 4 CPU-cores run through per second, they could, in theory, perform 16 billion additions or just over 5 billion multiplications. Per second. Now most useful calculations will be a little bit more complicated, but the order of magnitude is there.
Fortunately, generating a shuffled deck doesn't take billions of calculations. It just takes a random 226 bit number. While a good random number generator is not straight forward to make on a computer, it's perfectly possible. The computer could sample static from a disconnected line-in / mic jack on the soundcard. This static noise should provide more than enough entropy for proper random number generation.
While the number of possible deck shuffles is indeed very large (a billion doesn't even do justice to the magnitude of the number), it is rather straightforward to generate it. And it is certainly not something that would take a high end CPU "years and year some months" (huh?). As an interesting comparison, a Bitcoin private key is a 256 bit number, where there are almost 2^256 possible private keys (so about a billion times more than the number of possible deck shuffles) and our computers have no problems randomly generating those by the boatload.
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By not being able to give true random odds the system is very PREDICTABLE I can win over 80% of my hands all the time and everyone else could too if they knew the system.All the poker sites use the same software my bitcoin is worth way too much to bet with poker and the poker sites around are kind of hackey and after Fulltilt and losing thousands too insolvency and gov I'm all set with ever giving a poker site my money again FUCK THAT lol ill take a live game @ FOXWOODS FTW! except if Pokerstars cameback to the states I would gladly go back . So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose
The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
Complete randomness can't, by its very definition, be predicted.. So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
What can be predicted, sometimes, are sloppy implementations by casino operators. Regardless of the game or the bet or the system, if the operator isn't careful in properly implementing the software, it can be exploited. But this doesn't mean that it is fundamentally impossible to create a fair game that can't be cheated, unlike what you like to claim.
a shuffle has a number variance of 8.0658x1067 way over a billion I never said it had a Billion just way overit it and way over your petty little pentium capabilities you obviously know nothing about computers Your still trying to compare REAL world numbers with random numbers generated by a computer and dice and cards are 2 different completely sets of odds and probabilities 12 random against against 52 which is over 4 times greater real Math GENIUS there A computer has to always live by a PROGRAMMED SET OF RULES as true randomness doesn't have to ever but maybe if you read anything on psuedo number generators instead of talking out your ass because you know jack shit!! lol and read and learn how they actually work you might realize it will never be the same ever....Learn something and maybe you will EARN something DUMB ASS.........http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php
http://www.khanacademy.org/math/applied-math/cryptography/crypt/v/random-vs--pseudorandom-number-generators#!( watch the VIDEO)
http://voices.yahoo.com/random-number-generators-vs-pseudo-random-number-generators-3495601.html
http://www.random.org/randomness/
http://www.lauradhamilton.com/random-lessons-online-poker-exploit
http://voices.yahoo.com/random-number-generators-vs-pseudo-random-number-generators-3495601.html
You should learn to KNOW what you are talking about before commenting what is your theory based on?I THINK or I KNOW?Oh wait its obviously you have your DOCTORATE in" I THINK" If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.
Do you have no idea how much bullshit you're talking here? For the record, I'm a mathematician, so you don't have to try and impress me with claiming things about "simple Math" or "Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP!" (what's up with the weird capitalization anyway?). If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.A standard 52-card shuffled eck has about 226 bits of information (2^226 possible shuffles). If I roll dice (d6, to be precise), I can generate such a shuffle with 88 dice-rolls, which definitely isn't impossible. You also state that it is impossible for a CPU to "Handle A BILLION calculations!". My quad-core CPU runs at about 4 GHz, which is 4 billion clock ticks per second. According to Intels manual, integer addition (for example: 183 + 912) has a latency of 1 cycle and integer multiplication (183 * 912) has a latency of 3 cycles. So with the 16 billion clock cycles that my 4 CPU-cores run through per second, they could, in theory, perform 16 billion additions or just over 5 billion multiplications. Per second. Now most useful calculations will be a little bit more complicated, but the order of magnitude is there.
Fortunately, generating a shuffled deck doesn't take billions of calculations. It just takes a random 226 bit number. While a good random number generator is not straight forward to make on a computer, it's perfectly possible. The computer could sample static from a disconnected line-in / mic jack on the soundcard. This static noise should provide more than enough entropy for proper random number generation.
While the number of possible deck shuffles is indeed very large (a billion doesn't even do justice to the magnitude of the number), it is rather straightforward to generate it. And it is certainly not something that would take a high end CPU "years and year some months" (huh?). As an interesting comparison, a Bitcoin private key is a 256 bit number, where there are almost 2^256 possible private keys (so about a billion times more than the number of possible deck shuffles) and our computers have no problems randomly generating those by the boatload.
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By not being able to give true random odds the system is very PREDICTABLE I can win over 80% of my hands all the time and everyone else could too if they knew the system.All the poker sites use the same software my bitcoin is worth way too much to bet with poker and the poker sites around are kind of hackey and after Fulltilt and losing thousands too insolvency and gov I'm all set with ever giving a poker site my money again FUCK THAT lol ill take a live game @ FOXWOODS FTW! except if Pokerstars cameback to the states I would gladly go back . So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose
The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
Complete randomness can't, by its very definition, be predicted.. So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
What can be predicted, sometimes, are sloppy implementations by casino operators. Regardless of the game or the bet or the system, if the operator isn't careful in properly implementing the software, it can be exploited. But this doesn't mean that it is fundamentally impossible to create a fair game that can't be cheated, unlike what you like to claim.
Mining getting nowhere? loool
Then deposit my signature an be happy
Then deposit my signature an be happy
why not doin both play poker band mine
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Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.I think you lost to mutch on online poker and blame it on some rigg.
The odds are true but say that it is like you say it is: "You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME". Then its this for all players = fair.
Or are you one of them that always are the one that have that extra unluck? Like if the casino was against especially you. Like they programmed it to be against THAT player, no one else.
Actually its quite the opposite I've won thousands from online poker with pokerstars and fulltilt and lost it to the GOV;)I'm probably old enough to be your Father .I'm not someone TALKING OUT MY ASS .I was in the final third round on the last Pokerstars TV tournament beating over ten thousand people and I had 2 tickets to the tournament and have made final table in tournaments playing against tens of thousands in pokerstars and fulltilt and used to take peoples money literally in ring games they never had a chance. I made the final TV tourney did it twice beating out tens of thousands when I used to play online all the time I'd win usually around 80%+ of my hands .I played in casinos as well and have won thousands there also when you know how to COUNT CARDS you know TRUE ODDS.I'm dropping KNOWLEDGE ON YOU SON
You should learn to KNOW what you are talking about before commenting what is your theory based on?I THINK or I KNOW?Oh wait its obviously you have your DOCTORATE in" I THINK"
If you READ A BOOk or TWO or even understood simple Math or read up on what I posted you would know its impossible for a CPU to Handle A BILLION calculatons!LOOK IT UP! it would take a cpu years and MONTHS ON MONTHS to shuffle the deck properly it can't do it! it's not fast enough! Why do you think no one uses a CPU TO MINE BITCOIN? it can't handle the CALCULATIONS its too SLOW It's too STUPID!It cant even solve 500,000,000 Block in a 5 second how do you think it will solve A BILLION calculations of a card deck? don't believe me just try and use a cpu to mine and see how long it takes you too get a best share in the MILLIONS! let me know in a couple of years when you get that share that high lol and a poker deck has over a billion possibilities the TOP OF THE LINE INTEl or AMD will take years and years some months! even a 16 core processor can't do it a Quantum computer can't even do it! Its a Mathematical FACT LOOK IT UP! but if you knew anything about what your TALKING ABOUT or even about computers in general?and the processor you would know that ::)I'm A+ certified and a Cisco network graduate I know a thing or two about computers and what I'm talking about based on EDUCATION.By not being able to give true random odds the system is very PREDICTABLE I can win over 80% of my hands all the time and everyone else could too if they knew the system.All the poker sites use the same software my bitcoin is worth way too much to bet with poker and the poker sites around are kind of hackey and after Fulltilt and losing thousands too insolvency and gov I'm all set with ever giving a poker site my money again FUCK THAT lol ill take a live game @ FOXWOODS FTW! except if Pokerstars cameback to the states I would gladly go back
. So i wont do it on these sites don't trust any of these sites like Exchanges Ill hold my own Bitcoin THANK YOU but I do play the freerolls and i won my first one played last month and didn't even practice and won 120 satoshi chips paid 8th place in satoshi grindabit poker FREEROLL and won a paid freeroll on seals with clubs also with over a couple hundred people playing using same methods I've always use to predict the outcomes while on fulltilt,ultimatebet,and pokerstars,and I will use the winning to play a big tournament soon its all House money with nothing to Lose The system isn't rigged against anyone everyone does get the same odds kind of so to speak but it has nothing to do with the cards you are holding in how you Win .The way i play my hands aren't based on card strength 90% of the time and I WIn majority regardless of what Im holding by the way so I know what I'm talking about I'm talking from experience you don't have any true poker odds when you only have a million possibilities to pick from instead of a billion that changes the game completely its like playing blackjack and taking out the tens its no longer Blackjack its now Spanish blackjack with different ODDS and requires a change in playing style the game completely changes its not the same.But this would take MATH SKILL to Truly understand that even complete randomness can be predicted this is how the likes of how students from MIT beat the HOUSE! Complete randomness can be predicted but something like this is obviously WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD when you can't even spell MUCH!ROFL Go back to school son.................
Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.I think you lost to mutch on online poker and blame it on some rigg.
The odds are true but say that it is like you say it is: "You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME". Then its this for all players = fair.
Or are you one of them that always are the one that have that extra unluck? Like if the casino was against especially you. Like they programmed it to be against THAT player, no one else.
I think you misunderstand what he said. He never said it was rigged against anyone.
Just found a new dogecoin poker site called Pokershibes.com
Come check it out. Im playing there myself and the site needs more traffic.
Come check it out. Im playing there myself and the site needs more traffic.
Hmm superuser and ultimate bet? 
u can make alot of coins from poker if your good, seals with clubs and betcoinpoker.com are your best bets.
those that don't think the house always wins, obviously shouldnt be gambling..
and im not only talking about the rake, but ill leave you to figure it out
and im not only talking about the rake, but ill leave you to figure it out
Aside from the rake, the only thing I can think of is either collusion via the owners changing the RNG for the hands such that they increase the likelihood of them winning. There is always a chance of this with online poker, but it depends whether your wlling to take that risk to have the advantage of staying at home and playing or having to drive to your local casino.
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Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
What drugs did you take?First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.Seriously, what are you talking about? "Poker program" ?? "it's a SECRET" ??
On online poker sites people play against other people. Not against a program.
do some googling and LEARN SOMETHING about TRUE RANDOM ODDS and Probabilities then talk to me its a FACT NO COMPUTER PROGRAM nor COMPUTER can deliver true LIVE GAME odds it's IMPOSSIBLE!! any company that says they can is LIEING TO YOU! there isn't a CPU nor computer program that can handle those computations what you get is like a tenth of the randomness a random number generator can't possibly simulate a live deck. Winners are already picked before the hands are dealt and there are many like me that exploit and know this flaw.You might think its a simple 52 cards how complicated can it be? but there is a billion +probable Hands that can be dealt at anytime its like a CPU trying to solve a bitcoin block now it ain't gonna happen computers are just too dumb to do it.The secret is your cards have nothing to do with your chances of Winning really in online poker that's why you see ACES cracked so much on online play and those Jack 2 hands suddenly become winner winner chicken dinners those things wont happen nearly as often in REALTIME thats as much as I'm going to say as I've already said too much because like I said its a well kept secret and am not going to ruin it for myself to be used against me lol or others either it doesn't guarantee you will win every time but it does guarantee over 80% most of the time you will win when used right You'll know when someone uses it against you when they go all in on the worst hand possible and beat your MADE HAND. . And all the poker sites use these same algorithms more or less the same shitty programs since ultimate bet have been floating around all the poker sites there's been no break through innovations in online poker and won't be for probably another ten or twenty years or so maybe when the computational power will be here's a tidbit of a clue what I'm talking about but this isn't the SECREThttp://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php
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Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
What drugs did you take?First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.Seriously, what are you talking about? "Poker program" ?? "it's a SECRET" ??
On online poker sites people play against other people. Not against a program.
I know the SECRET: Diszipline
I've made a few coins playing poker, a good percentage of players are new to poker, if you already have some experience you will do good.
Nice!
Which site do you use?
I've tried a few, mainly I played at Seal with Clubs and The Edge Poker.
There are a lot of aggressive losers on the tables, a lot!
Is it pretty simple to move Bitcoins in and out!?!??!
I've made a few coins playing poker, a good percentage of players are new to poker, if you already have some experience you will do good.
Nice!
Which site do you use?
I've tried a few, mainly I played at Seal with Clubs and The Edge Poker.
There are a lot of aggressive losers on the tables, a lot!
Playing Poker can actually may you a alot of money, many people have earned their fortunes(thousands to millions) through poker, but you must be an expert. I'm not talking about knowing how to play poke a little bit, or you're just good and always beat your friends no... I'm talking about you've actually played in actual Poke Tournaments and won, and came close, only then can you consider playing Poker for a living.
I'm pretty sure i'm an expert! I've been playing for over 10 years. I've read around 5 books on TH. From Phil's shitty book to Sklansky's awesome books. I've won countless tournaments (best one was i got 1st in a turny of 800 people) Currently I play about 5 - 10 hours a week but i used to (before current GF) play 5-10 hours a day online. People will always suck out on you, but overall I do pretty well.
I've made a few coins playing poker, a good percentage of players are new to poker, if you already have some experience you will do good.
Nice!
Which site do you use?
Playing Poker can actually may you a alot of money, many people have earned their fortunes(thousands to millions) through poker, but you must be an expert. I'm not talking about knowing how to play poke a little bit, or you're just good and always beat your friends no... I'm talking about you've actually played in actual Poke Tournaments and won, and came close, only then can you consider playing Poker for a living.
those that don't think the house always wins, obviously shouldnt be gambling..
and im not only talking about the rake, but ill leave you to figure it out
and im not only talking about the rake, but ill leave you to figure it out
I've made a few coins playing poker, a good percentage of players are new to poker, if you already have some experience you will do good.
robing a casino has better ROI, As a noob, your investment could be a plastic replica gun and girlfriend's sock used as a face mask.
So Calm Down and Keep Mining! (c) ~ designfail
So Calm Down and Keep Mining! (c) ~ designfail
Doesn't playing poker for an income sound too good to be true?
No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
I've actually made money playing online poker. I've been playing for like 10 years and i play a few times a week in a casino! Also, my buddy in OR put himself through school playing online poker! I'm not really worried about losing everything because i play tournaments only. I just wanna know of a site that doesn't fuck their users over.
Same here, having played online and live. In fact, I lived at Sam's Town Casino and Resort in Tunica for two years straight, having the room comped a majority of the time for playing on their tables X hours a day.
I've lived in Biloxi for almost two years, and lived in Las Vegas six times, six months at a time. The entire time playing poker until playing the slots became more profitable.
Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.I think you lost to mutch on online poker and blame it on some rigg.
The odds are true but say that it is like you say it is: "You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME". Then its this for all players = fair.
Or are you one of them that always are the one that have that extra unluck? Like if the casino was against especially you. Like they programmed it to be against THAT player, no one else.
Poker sites:
sealswithclubs.eu has the most players / activity.
pocketrocketscasino.eu is good if you like OFC or have DOGE.
betcoinpoker.com is new but doing a good job with their tourneys.
satoshipoker.org had a lot of nice tourneys but traffic declined a bit last few months.
Disclosure: I did add some referral links in these above links. Not to get rich but simply cuz I was going to link to them anyway.
sealswithclubs.eu has the most players / activity.
pocketrocketscasino.eu is good if you like OFC or have DOGE.
betcoinpoker.com is new but doing a good job with their tourneys.
satoshipoker.org had a lot of nice tourneys but traffic declined a bit last few months.
Disclosure: I did add some referral links in these above links. Not to get rich but simply cuz I was going to link to them anyway.
Great overview, thanks
Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
What drugs did you take?First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.Seriously, what are you talking about? "Poker program" ?? "it's a SECRET" ??
On online poker sites people play against other people. Not against a program.
dude u dont know what happens behind the scenes... the poker programs are running shit
LOL
But sure, things like POTRIPPER happen.
Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
What drugs did you take?First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.Seriously, what are you talking about? "Poker program" ?? "it's a SECRET" ??
On online poker sites people play against other people. Not against a program.
dude u dont know what happens behind the scenes... the poker programs are running shit
LOL
Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
What drugs did you take?First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.Seriously, what are you talking about? "Poker program" ?? "it's a SECRET" ??
On online poker sites people play against other people. Not against a program.
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Online poker is not REAL POKER! You can't go into it thinking just playing poker will give you a chance to win lol I'm a avid poker player played on Fulltilt made Final table quite a few times and Pokerstars and almost made it on T.V was in the finals before they pulled the plug when BLACK FRIDAY CAME.I didn't make it on poker skill alone.......
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS.
First thing you have to realize THERE ISN"T A POKER PROGRAM IN THE WORLD THAT CAN SIMULATE REAL PLAY! There is over a billion random possibilities that there just isn't a COMPUTER STRONG ENOUGH TO PREDICT TRUE OUTCOME even the Governments computers couldn't compute that outcome! You will never get TRUE ODDS like a LIVE GAME ! What you do get is what makes you perceive as true oddsI'll tell you that much! You have to have poker knowledge to win of course but it's really a entirely different game and takes a lot more then Poker Know How to win.There's a flaw in all poker programs and if your smart enough to figure it out? YOU CAN WIN!and it's a SECRET many onliners KNOW including me but I ain't telling I had to pay big money for it
But if you don't already know what it is? Skill alone isn't going to do it the odds are seriously against you because you will be playing thinking you have REAL GAME ODDS. woah i do not get this. care to explain?
what are you confused about!
In poker you win or lose from other players. Not from the house.
But only like 30% of the players are profitable.. so it's not "easy money" for everyone.
But only like 30% of the players are profitable.. so it's not "easy money" for everyone.
exactly! poker, im playing other players. Specially when it comes to a tournament. House gets a cut from the buy-in and thats it. This isn't blackjack!
throwing hard earned funds into something that has a number one rule of "the house always wins"....
... well i dont need to explain much more do i?
... well i dont need to explain much more do i?
The house always wins... When your playing a game that uses the house.
Poker is head to head no house involvement. Unless he;s playing against the dealer which I don't think was his idea.
Poker is a great way to earn some extra BTC, or cash.
People do make a living off playing, and those are the ones you need to lookout for.
Watch for bad beats as well.
woah i do not get this. care to explain?
In poker you win or lose from other players. Not from the house.
But only like 30% of the players are profitable.. so it's not "easy money" for everyone.
But only like 30% of the players are profitable.. so it's not "easy money" for everyone.
throwing hard earned funds into something that has a number one rule of "the house always wins"....
... well i dont need to explain much more do i?
... well i dont need to explain much more do i?
Poker sites:
sealswithclubs.eu has the most players / activity.
pocketrocketscasino.eu is good if you like OFC or have DOGE.
betcoinpoker.com is new but doing a good job with their tourneys.
satoshipoker.org had a lot of nice tourneys but traffic declined a bit last few months.
gridpoker.eu some decent small tourneys, and also OFC
Disclosure: I did add some referral links in these above links. Not to get rich but simply cuz I was going to link to them anyway.
sealswithclubs.eu has the most players / activity.
pocketrocketscasino.eu is good if you like OFC or have DOGE.
betcoinpoker.com is new but doing a good job with their tourneys.
satoshipoker.org had a lot of nice tourneys but traffic declined a bit last few months.
gridpoker.eu some decent small tourneys, and also OFC
Disclosure: I did add some referral links in these above links. Not to get rich but simply cuz I was going to link to them anyway.
Doesn't playing poker for an income sound too good to be true?
No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
I've actually made money playing online poker. I've been playing for like 10 years and i play a few times a week in a casino! Also, my buddy in OR put himself through school playing online poker! I'm not really worried about losing everything because i play tournaments only. I just wanna know of a site that doesn't fuck their users over.
I don't think thats entirely accurate. There are many successful, online and live poker pros. Poker is not necessarily gambling but more about statistics and being able to know when your had.
The only main *risk* with Bitcoin Poker is you don't have regulated sites like Pokerstars, etc. that are audited and tracked properly to ensure they are not pulling off the next Full Tilt Scam/Insert other Black Friday Sites here.
Kosta
The only main *risk* with Bitcoin Poker is you don't have regulated sites like Pokerstars, etc. that are audited and tracked properly to ensure they are not pulling off the next Full Tilt Scam/Insert other Black Friday Sites here.
Kosta
I've only managed to get like .25 bitcoins so far from mining ( a month) and i was thinking maybe i can grow it faster by playing online bitcoin poker.
Im a pretty decent player and of course there is a big chance of me losing, but i am willing to take the risk.
Do any of you guys do this? If so, which site do you use?
Im a pretty decent player and of course there is a big chance of me losing, but i am willing to take the risk.
Do any of you guys do this? If so, which site do you use?
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Doesn't playing poker for an income sound too good to be true?
No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
Actually poker also takes skill, so if you are a skilled player yes you can always win. Provided you play in real life. No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
Doesn't playing poker for an income sound too good to be true?
No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
No matter how lucky or good you are a gambling, you can't always be the winner.
As you lose you'll have to take bigger risks to recover, this will most likely drive you bankrupt.
I've only managed to get like .25 bitcoins so far from mining ( a month) and i was thinking maybe i can grow it faster by playing online bitcoin poker.
Im a pretty decent player and of course there is a big chance of me losing, but i am willing to take the risk.
Do any of you guys do this? If so, which site do you use?
Im a pretty decent player and of course there is a big chance of me losing, but i am willing to take the risk.
Do any of you guys do this? If so, which site do you use?
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