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Quote from: Mickeyb on November 12, 2015, 09:52:13 AM

Bitcoin has survived many things and sure as hell it will survive this as well! Of course, if this is truth! There is nothing we can do to prevent things like this so there is no sense in losing our nerves about it.

If nothing, this is another use case for us, as negative as it might be!

Do you mean the use of bitcoin by MMM will ruin the reputation of bitcoin and make it less survivable? I have no worry about this. The usage of bitcoin is a very small proportion of the total bitcoin supply.

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Move On !!!!!!

Bitcoin has survived many things and sure as hell it will survive this as well! Of course, if this is truth! There is nothing we can do to prevent things like this so there is no sense in losing our nerves about it.

If nothing, this is another use case for us, as negative as it might be!

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Quote from: tmfp on November 11, 2015, 03:34:08 AM

Quote from: Mieehayii on November 11, 2015, 03:24:34 AM

My question is, MMM has any associated with Bitcoin?

Yes, MMM Global requires a deposit payment made in Bitcoin to buy Mavros (MMM tokens) and play the give/receive game.

MMM doesn't use Bitcoins only, they also use Bank to Bank Transfers but other MMM members don't want the Bank to Bank transaction since it will require them to go to the Bank or use a mobile app and their personal information will be known. That's why majority uses Bitcoin. There are members of MMM that uses a fake name and have multiple accounts.

On MMM Global, there is only a Bitcoin option. The bank option doesn't work.

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Quote from: tmfp on November 08, 2015, 02:33:19 PM

"Pause Mode" is what happens, purely at Mavrodi's discretion, and has happened in the past. He just freezes conversion of Mavros into anything real for a fixed period of time. I have read that MMM Russia is currently "paused" until the New Year, but can't confirm it.

Where did you read that?

I can't read Russian but a Google translation might be semi-comprehensible. Everything I hear about MMM is founded on rumors, there are no sources of facts I can find. As it's based in the East it's shrouded in mystery, and I can't figure out how to get any reliable facts apart from joining it by paying the minimum possible Bitcoin fee.

The you tube link is private and I can't read it but I have no reason to doubt the poster.

Quote from: masterluc on October 31, 2015, 08:48:34 AM

I don't know what they are talking about, but I'm sure they funding MMM ponzi through btcchina

https://youtu.be/7GFA5R6qkso

BTW, today founder of mmm ponzi Sergey Mavrodi declared "pause mode" (freeze withdrawals) in mmm Russia until NY.

https://youtu.be/hW3i2FKt3Wg

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Quote from: sniveling on November 12, 2015, 06:24:21 AM

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Quote from: m3 on November 08, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

Quote from: alpet on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 AM

Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

is MMM still paying?

automatically paid from random users, rather than central fund.
this is the strategy to scam money.

If there is a rumour about the collapse of the MMM scheme, will the players withdraw the money like a bank run? I am sure MMM is at its tipping point or not. Very interested to know the effect of a rumour.

"Pause Mode" is what happens, purely at Mavrodi's discretion, and has happened in the past. He just freezes conversion of Mavros into anything real for a fixed period of time. I have read that MMM Russia is currently "paused" until the New Year, but can't confirm it.

Where did you read that?

I can't read Russian but a Google translation might be semi-comprehensible. Everything I hear about MMM is founded on rumors, there are no sources of facts I can find. As it's based in the East it's shrouded in mystery, and I can't figure out how to get any reliable facts apart from joining it by paying the minimum possible Bitcoin fee.

If there would be a reliable facts about it then they are jeopardizing their identity. Besides being a shady entity is already a red flag and would give you a hint thats its a ponzi structure game

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Quote from: tmfp on November 08, 2015, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: Oscilson on November 08, 2015, 02:22:09 PM

Quote from: lottery248 on November 08, 2015, 04:46:12 AM

Quote from: m3 on November 08, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

Quote from: alpet on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 AM

Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

is MMM still paying?

automatically paid from random users, rather than central fund.
this is the strategy to scam money.

If there is a rumour about the collapse of the MMM scheme, will the players withdraw the money like a bank run? I am sure MMM is at its tipping point or not. Very interested to know the effect of a rumour.

"Pause Mode" is what happens, purely at Mavrodi's discretion, and has happened in the past. He just freezes conversion of Mavros into anything real for a fixed period of time. I have read that MMM Russia is currently "paused" until the New Year, but can't confirm it.

Where did you read that?

I can't read Russian but a Google translation might be semi-comprehensible. Everything I hear about MMM is founded on rumors, there are no sources of facts I can find. As it's based in the East it's shrouded in mystery, and I can't figure out how to get any reliable facts apart from joining it by paying the minimum possible Bitcoin fee.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on November 11, 2015, 11:32:27 PM

Quote from: tmfp on November 11, 2015, 03:34:08 AM

Quote from: Mieehayii on November 11, 2015, 03:24:34 AM

My question is, MMM has any associated with Bitcoin?

Yes, MMM Global requires a deposit payment made in Bitcoin to buy Mavros (MMM tokens) and play the give/receive game.

MMM doesn't use Bitcoins only, they also use Bank to Bank Transfers but other MMM members don't want the Bank to Bank transaction since it will require them to go to the Bank or use a mobile app and their personal information will be known. That's why majority uses Bitcoin. There are members of MMM that uses a fake name and have multiple accounts.

But why did that factor alone cause the price to go so up ? Wouldn't like a LOT of money be required to drive price up alone ? Like literally so many millions for that rally up to 500 ?

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Quote from: tmfp on November 11, 2015, 03:34:08 AM

Quote from: Mieehayii on November 11, 2015, 03:24:34 AM

My question is, MMM has any associated with Bitcoin?

Yes, MMM Global requires a deposit payment made in Bitcoin to buy Mavros (MMM tokens) and play the give/receive game.

MMM doesn't use Bitcoins only, they also use Bank to Bank Transfers but other MMM members don't want the Bank to Bank transaction since it will require them to go to the Bank or use a mobile app and their personal information will be known. That's why majority uses Bitcoin. There are members of MMM that uses a fake name and have multiple accounts.

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Quote from: Mieehayii on November 11, 2015, 03:24:34 AM

My question is, MMM has any associated with Bitcoin?

Yes, MMM Global requires a deposit payment made in Bitcoin to buy Mavros (MMM tokens) and play the give/receive game.

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My question is, MMM has any associated with Bitcoin?

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How you can even think than behnd btc pump was some small hype network,i even saw article in Coindesk about that with fake link to Financial Time.Faser i will believe that alians oficially decided to ban btc and it was last btc pump than it that kind idiotic information,maybe russian oligarch were moving his money,becouse Deutche Bank has independent scrutinity now.Or Isis was moving money needed to attack USA

Or USA was moving money to attack China
Why not

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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks

I guess we can put this theory to bed Huh

I mean the price is crashing yet this ponzi hasn't stopped so far as I can see.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on November 10, 2015, 10:47:30 PM

Thank you for your explanation of how this scheme operates. That was very informative.

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Quote from: lottery248 on November 08, 2015, 04:46:12 AM

Quote from: m3 on November 08, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

Quote from: alpet on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 AM

Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

is MMM still paying?

automatically paid from random users, rather than central fund.
this is the strategy to scam money.

they are not automatically paid...
The one who requested to withdraw will be assigned with another member who wants to invest in MMM example:
YOU want to invest 0.1BTC, you will fill up a form in their site about your intention to invest, but you can't send your BTC yet, you will be put on a pool of investors, then ME, I want to Withdraw, I will fill up a form in their site about your intention to withdraw some of my investment
so MMM System will find a match on how much you are planning to Withdraw from a pool of members who wan't to invest, then MMM System will assign my BTC address to example YOU so you can send BTC to my address, but YOU have 72 hours to send BTC or else you will be blocked.
BTC may come from 1 or more members depending on how much you a member plans to withdraw. This system is unfair sometimes because by the time someone sent you BTC, rate is already down.

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This is not what Bitcoin needs for its image right now. I can just see more and more people associating Bitcoin with pyramid scheme or Ponzi scheme because of this. I would of rather had the price stay in the 240 range then be pumped then dumped by this bs mmm scheme.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on November 10, 2015, 09:50:21 PM

looks like MMM is on it's way to collapsing, they added back the mining option where investors can invest Bitcoins and earn in 48 hours and based on their Facebook page conversation it's the answer to the shortage of recent investors in the site, meaning most are are now waiting for their Bitcoins to earn and then withdraw, but withdrawal waiting time is longer than before.

Probably looks like the reason that the holder is selling the coins which is what is likely causing to drop the price. I wish we had wallet analyzers to study the transactions with a little more detail and see if it was all due to MMM.

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looks like MMM is on it's way to collapsing, they added back the mining option where investors can invest Bitcoins and earn in 48 hours and based on their Facebook page conversation it's the answer to the shortage of recent investors in the site, meaning most are are now waiting for their Bitcoins to earn and then withdraw, but withdrawal waiting time is longer than before.

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Quote from: Oscilson on November 08, 2015, 02:22:09 PM

If there is a rumour about the collapse of the MMM scheme, will the players withdraw the money like a bank run? I am sure MMM is at its tipping point or not. Very interested to know the effect of a rumour.

With the very high rates being offered by MMM, this tipping point is imminent.
Whether people convert the bitcoins back into fiat after "being helped" (equivalent of withdrawing in MMM) is debatable.
Most people, however, would not succeed in withdrawing.

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Quote from: Oscilson on November 08, 2015, 02:22:09 PM

Quote from: lottery248 on November 08, 2015, 04:46:12 AM

Quote from: m3 on November 08, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

Quote from: alpet on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 AM

Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

is MMM still paying?

automatically paid from random users, rather than central fund.
this is the strategy to scam money.

If there is a rumour about the collapse of the MMM scheme, will the players withdraw the money like a bank run? I am sure MMM is at its tipping point or not. Very interested to know the effect of a rumour.

"Pause Mode" is what happens, purely at Mavrodi's discretion, and has happened in the past. He just freezes conversion of Mavros into anything real for a fixed period of time. I have read that MMM Russia is currently "paused" until the New Year, but can't confirm it.

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Quote from: lottery248 on November 08, 2015, 04:46:12 AM

Quote from: m3 on November 08, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

Quote from: alpet on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 AM

Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

is MMM still paying?

automatically paid from random users, rather than central fund.
this is the strategy to scam money.

If there is a rumour about the collapse of the MMM scheme, will the players withdraw the money like a bank run? I am sure MMM is at its tipping point or not. Very interested to know the effect of a rumour.

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Quote from: m3 on November 08, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

Quote from: alpet on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 AM

Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

is MMM still paying?

automatically paid from random users, rather than central fund.
this is the strategy to scam money.

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they'd act as if not really scamming during their start but it will soon show its real colors. they're PONZI!

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Quote from: m3 on November 08, 2015, 04:25:25 AM

is MMM still paying?

I not participant, and can't prove it )

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Quote from: alpet on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 AM

Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

is MMM still paying?

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Bitcoin made rocket after 8/10 - after opens Gemini exchange. So, I'm sure what MMM have only collateral effect for current trend.

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Even MMM was reason why bitcoin price raised a lot & dropped a little, i won't support/invest in MMM.
I better trading and get profit than risk my bitcoin in shady investment.

Also, i'm sure MMM members who bought bitcoin aren't bitcoin supporter, and they eventually will sell their bitcoin, and make bitcoin price crashed again.
Furthermore, more people will think bitcoin is kind of ponzi scheme Angry

I agree with that totally. As a Ponzi scheme, MMM will collapse eventually. The collected bitcoin will be sold to the market again. Maybe some of the coins have already been sold by the top level attenders.

Do we know the total number of bitcoins inside the MMM scheme?

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Quote from: Nagle on November 08, 2015, 03:46:06 AM

Quote from: tmfp on November 07, 2015, 01:07:30 PM

A post on forums like this is one of the many compulsory activities, along with YouTube vids etc., that MMM users must complete in order to qualify for the Mavro Extra rate of 100% a month, otherwise they're stuck on a measly 30% Roll Eyes

MMM is not just a Ponzi. It's also a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme, with a downline and heavy pressure on participants to promote it.

There is no pressure to get a downline, everyone can earn even if they don't have any downline at all but they will earn more if they have a downline since they will be promoted to a higher rank (1K Manager and 10K Manager) with higher % earnings from the downlines. The members of MMM are so blinded by that "no sponsoring" scheme and thats what makes them think it's legit, which even makes it more questionable if you ask me. It's a very clear ponzi.

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Quote from: tmfp on November 07, 2015, 01:07:30 PM

A post on forums like this is one of the many compulsory activities, along with YouTube vids etc., that MMM users must complete in order to qualify for the Mavro Extra rate of 100% a month, otherwise they're stuck on a measly 30% Roll Eyes

MMM is not just a Ponzi. It's also a multi-level marketing pyramid scheme, with a downline and heavy pressure on participants to promote it.

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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."

Quote from: oblivi on November 07, 2015, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: jaredboice on November 07, 2015, 10:43:20 AM

So many trolls and shills trying to convince potential investors that bitcoin is only going up because of a ponzi scheme Cheesy

I've noticed tons of strange new accounts that make a single reply and have the MMM thing as signatures. Did anyone see this as well?

A post on forums like this is one of the many compulsory activities, along with YouTube vids etc., that MMM users must complete in order to qualify for the Mavro Extra rate of 100% a month, otherwise they're stuck on a measly 30% Roll Eyes

Just report them as spam, they get nuked pretty quick.

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Amazing how many bitcoiners think governments actually give half of a flying fuck about them. Self-important much?

Amazing how many paid shills and trolls try to convince people that the government and their criminal too-big-to-fail banks aren't threatened by a system that has made them obsolete! Troll and bullshit much??

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Quote from: oblivi on November 07, 2015, 12:25:15 PM

Quote from: jaredboice on November 07, 2015, 10:43:20 AM

So many trolls and shills trying to convince potential investors that bitcoin is only going up because of a ponzi scheme Cheesy

I've noticed tons of strange new accounts that make a single reply and have the MMM thing as signatures. Did anyone see this as well?

Government paid trolls everywhere trying to convince people that Bitcoin is a ponzi, or that bitcoin is collapsing because of a ponzi, or that bitcoin is connected to a ponzi and therefore FUD. That is all

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Quote from: oblivi on November 07, 2015, 12:25:15 PM

I've noticed tons of strange new accounts that make a single reply and have the MMM thing as signatures. Did anyone see this as well?

I can't say I've picked up on that myself.

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Quote from: jaredboice on November 07, 2015, 10:43:20 AM

So many trolls and shills trying to convince potential investors that bitcoin is only going up because of a ponzi scheme Cheesy

I've noticed tons of strange new accounts that make a single reply and have the MMM thing as signatures. Did anyone see this as well?

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Quote from: jaredboice on November 07, 2015, 10:43:20 AM

So many trolls and shills trying to convince potential investors that bitcoin is only going up because of a ponzi scheme Cheesy

Most here couldn't care less if Bitcoin is or is not a Ponzi -- this forum even has a section dedicated to Ponzis, where the most afflicted of degenerate gamblers willingly go to lose (that is, lose faster than they already are by simply holding Bitcoin).
The problem's not Bitcoin being a ponzi, but the fact that it's a collapsing Ponzi.
Therein, Jarhead, lies the rub Undecided

Bro, do you even Ponzi?

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So many trolls and shills trying to convince potential investors that bitcoin is only going up because of a ponzi scheme Cheesy

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Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 07, 2015, 06:52:01 AM

Quote from: manis on November 07, 2015, 06:49:47 AM

Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 07, 2015, 06:38:25 AM

it's not only in China that MMM is expanding, Philippines also have a lot of MMM followers, they even have this physical branch now in different places.

MMM will go down sooner or later.
I only hope Bitcoin's price does not plunge along with it.

The sooner the better, so that those MMM evangelist will wake up in reality that what they are preaching is nothing but ponzi

With a possibility of earning "100%" in a month, this is going to close very quickly.

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Quote from: manis on November 07, 2015, 06:49:47 AM

Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 07, 2015, 06:38:25 AM

it's not only in China that MMM is expanding, Philippines also have a lot of MMM followers, they even have this physical branch now in different places.

MMM will go down sooner or later.
I only hope Bitcoin's price does not plunge along with it.

The sooner the better, so that those MMM evangelist will wake up in reality that what they are preaching is nothing but ponzi

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Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 07, 2015, 06:38:25 AM

it's not only in China that MMM is expanding, Philippines also have a lot of MMM followers, they even have this physical branch now in different places.

MMM will go down sooner or later.
I only hope Bitcoin's price does not plunge along with it.

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it's not only in China that MMM is expanding, Philippines also have a lot of MMM followers, they even have this physical branch now in different places.

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Keeping an eye on this for changes in frequency. I'm sure there are actual chinese video sites that would be better to sample... but I don't know them.

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on November 04, 2015, 03:52:06 AM

We shall call it the decentralized "Sergey" bot?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22MMM+pays%22&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

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Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 04, 2015, 11:55:26 PM

Quote from: ShetKid on November 04, 2015, 11:51:39 PM

Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 04, 2015, 11:07:17 PM

member of those MMM ponzi scheme will just buy and sell Bitcoins, they don't keep those Bitcoins since they just send it to another address then wait for week then request for withdrawal with interest then exchange since Bitcoin is not that mainstream yet in China.

From what I understood, they would not get the returns immediately, so could be sometime soon. Also highly depends on when the ponzi operator cashes out. He could dump his holdings too.

1 week is the soonest that they can dump Bitcoins, the longer they don't withdraw the bigger the interest, that's why some have multiple accounts there. If i'm the ponzi operator, I can easily assign my BTC address to anyone and they will send Bitcoins because after a week, they can withdraw with interest. It's a circle.

If there are more people contoniously participating in the Ponzi, then yes it will run like a circle and will keep the price of bitcoin stable for the entire time the ponzi lasts for. However logically price should still decline and not increase because of the ponzi.

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Quote from: ShetKid on November 04, 2015, 11:51:39 PM

Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 04, 2015, 11:07:17 PM

member of those MMM ponzi scheme will just buy and sell Bitcoins, they don't keep those Bitcoins since they just send it to another address then wait for week then request for withdrawal with interest then exchange since Bitcoin is not that mainstream yet in China.

From what I understood, they would not get the returns immediately, so could be sometime soon. Also highly depends on when the ponzi operator cashes out. He could dump his holdings too.

1 week is the soonest that they can dump Bitcoins, the longer they don't withdraw the bigger the interest, that's why some have multiple accounts there. If i'm the ponzi operator, I can easily assign my BTC address to anyone and they will send Bitcoins because after a week, they can withdraw with interest. It's a circle.

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Quote from: DaddyMonsi on November 04, 2015, 11:07:17 PM

member of those MMM ponzi scheme will just buy and sell Bitcoins, they don't keep those Bitcoins since they just send it to another address then wait for week then request for withdrawal with interest then exchange since Bitcoin is not that mainstream yet in China.

From what I understood, they would not get the returns immediately, so could be sometime soon. Also highly depends on when the ponzi operator cashes out. He could dump his holdings too.

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member of those MMM ponzi scheme will just buy and sell Bitcoins, they don't keep those Bitcoins since they just send it to another address then wait for week then request for withdrawal with interest then exchange since Bitcoin is not that mainstream yet in China.

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Sell now, buy again when Bitcoin goes to $50 after MMM ponzi blows.

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It could be. From what I think we don't know the reason for the boom that has happened this week. So it could just be coincidence or some individual behind the price rise.

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It doesn't matter what the reason is, just enjoy this big bump! I can't even believe we're standing at $500 again.

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There are rumors about the MMM ponzi scheme being somewhat responsible for the current rallye. After the recent price rise we may experience an unexpected dynamic that works like this: Many newcomers to the ponzi scheme learn about Bitcoin and how to buy them in order to enter MMM - and they do this while the bitcoin price is rising very quickly.

Now put yourself into the position of such a person: You have bought Bitcoin that gain 10% in value each day. Would you still "invest" into MMM or would you rather hold the coins, as you already see crazy profits that are even higher than what the ponzi has promised? We might currently see MMM inadvertently recruit bitcoin users instead of ponzi victims, which would be a very nice thing on many levels.

What do you think?

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