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November 23, 2024, 12:19:49 AM
#81
Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.

The government, which is supposed to look out for us, are the ones tearing us apart. The currency does not have much value, inflation is on the high side, and the prices of things are triple the price it was at the beginning of the year.

The citizens speaking seems they are shouting into a void. It seems democracy has been used as a cover for either military rule or other forms of oppression that do not listen to the people.  Those in power want to keep fooling the people and continue ruling under the tag of democracy.

It's not easy to think positively with the current economy talk less about starting out on your own because there are certain opposing government policies and oppositions too.  What people do is adjust to the hardships.

People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

At first the word, modern day slavery to me has to many things to ascribe it to, when you mention modern day slavery too many things runs into my mind, it is obvious that some of this countries that suffers modern day slavery are not independent, even though it has been pronounce by there colonial maters, when corruptible practices is common among leaders, her people suufer, when leaders can't plan for one or two years ahead her people suffer, when citizen who comes out to vote during election, but can't stand to defend it, the people still suffer,  all this and too many to be mention are factors causing modern day slavery of today.
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November 22, 2024, 10:40:06 AM
#80
Slavery? Throughout the modern world, governments have denounced slavery. But...

In much of the Muslim world hidden slavery abounds. Check out the country Western Sahara. It's full of hidden slavery... so much so that many of the slaves are family-line slaves, and don't even understand what freedom is.

This is real slavery. The hidden minor slavery in the free world is nothing like this. Google 'Western Sahara slavery'. It's way worse than most of the Google sites let us know.

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November 21, 2024, 07:29:23 PM
#79
If others are still into this, then we must be able and ready to show that we are no longer interesting on modern day slavery, this is what we should be determined for as a country and as individual, we may not have to wait till others get this same narrative right, we have to work by what we are hoping and wanted to see happened to us in life, because we are going to be held responsible for how we live our personal live.

And what are each one of us supposed to do to separate our personal life from the collective life of the nation or the political context which is going on in our respective countries? They are called national crisis or turmoil because it affects us all, regardless of our position within the social order of the country: the poor get poorer, the middle class loses priviledges and the rich can continue to get richer. It is difficult to escape when all around you is falling apart, I have experienced it myself, because I live in Venezuela.

Also, when democracy seems to be failing it is mostly because it is not being implemented as it is used to be. Democracy is indeed not perfect, but it is one of the better systems for people to keep bad people at bay and allow good politicians to govern, but there must be a way to hold corrupt ones and incompetent ones accountable.
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November 20, 2024, 06:31:15 PM
#78
Yes, we must think positively in living our life journey, and see modern slavery as just a term for work that continues non-stop and is tiring, but it depends on each of us to interpret it, because opinions always differ from each other, the important thing is to appreciate the work we have, because in some countries work is very difficult to get.


We are all aware that the current work we have is very enslaving, it is not paid as it should be, except in countries like Switzerland, meanwhile in countries that can have the person 24 hours a day it is possible to work better, but as 12 hours are needed to rest at least and do some life, 12 hours is the maximum for me as a person who can work and have a good result in any activity.

In view of all these things, controversies can be generated, for someone to be successful and not depend on the system, they have to look for investments, generally risky ones, to aspire to better.

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November 20, 2024, 10:26:12 AM
#77


Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

In our country, it is the major source of headaches for our people. The economy cannot move because there's too much corruption and this weakened the moral fiber of our country, Our people have a bad perception on our government officials there's a lot of hearing about corruption but still corruption continues.
This is because our people are easily deceived by officials when they are campaigning for office and as long as people consider popularity over good governance we will remain a struggling third world country.
Abuse of partisan interests can be a major cause of economic inequality in the country, creating an environment of political instability in the country for a long period of time. Party influence prevails from various sectors of the government to the field level which is against the normal life of the people of the country. Political instability is at its peak in various countries of the world and mainly Russia's violence Ukraine war and Gaza war with Israel are part of an apolitical situation all over the world.

In underdeveloped countries where there is a lack of employment, the ruling government of those countries creates a decent environment with the developed countries to maintain its power, which makes the public life of the people of that country a curse. Abuse of power and selfishness of the party government has destroyed the economic backbone of the country.
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November 19, 2024, 09:38:53 AM
#76
It’s truly disheartening and very unfortunate that what seem to be democracy has turn out to be government to the rich,by the rich and for the rich. No proper ideas and philosophy to get the current hardship ravaging the land. The youth have to set this straight by doing everything possible to save it if not the modern day slavery will continue.
If you observe, in a democratic state the majority enjoy some opportunity seeking mass which may be one third rich bureaucratic clique. If you observe further, you will see that the government bureaucrats use the low income people as weapons in various riots for some money to achieve their interests. In this way, the ruling government creates an environment of political instability for the youth of a country to achieve its interests, which leads the country towards destruction. Therefore I think that thinking about the overall development of the people of the country the intelligent, highly educated masses of the people should unite with one mind and raise loud slogans to bring down the dictatorial government and immediately make just appointments for the welfare of the country.
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November 16, 2024, 03:03:14 AM
#75
It’s truly disheartening and very unfortunate that what seem to be democracy has turn out to be government to the rich,by the rich and for the rich. No proper ideas and philosophy to get the current hardship ravaging the land. The youth have to set this straight by doing everything possible to save it if not the modern day slavery will continue.
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November 15, 2024, 12:30:38 PM
#74
Yes, we must think positively in living our life journey, and see modern slavery as just a term for work that continues non-stop and is tiring, but it depends on each of us to interpret it, because opinions always differ from each other, the important thing is to appreciate the work we have, because in some countries work is very difficult to get.


I would say slavery, in any way you put it, is more of a compulsion than a choice because when someone works for another person, there is always a reason behind it; the most probable explanation is they don't have another option. If you have a family to take care of and a house to run, you wouldn't think twice about what you are going to do as long as you are getting some money because, for you, the first thing that comes to your mind is taking care of the ones attached to you. After all, it's your responsibility.

No one with a right mindset would choose to work under someone else if they have the choice to do something on their own instead of relying on someone else and following their orders, but, we don't always have the resources and time to achieve what we want in life, so out of compulsion, we have to embrace what life throws our way.

It's difficult to accept, but it is a harsh reality of life that we have to live with.
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November 14, 2024, 06:18:55 PM
#73
If others are still into this, then we must be able and ready to show that we are no longer interesting on modern day slavery, this is what we should be determined for as a country and as individual, we may not have to wait till others get this same narrative right, we have to work by what we are hoping and wanted to see happened to us in life, because we are going to be held responsible for how we live our personal live.

Yes, we must think positively in living our life journey, and see modern slavery as just a term for work that continues non-stop and is tiring, but it depends on each of us to interpret it, because opinions always differ from each other, the important thing is to appreciate the work we have, because in some countries work is very difficult to get.
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November 14, 2024, 05:00:17 PM
#72
If others are still into this, then we must be able and ready to show that we are no longer interesting on modern day slavery, this is what we should be determined for as a country and as individual, we may not have to wait till others get this same narrative right, we have to work by what we are hoping and wanted to see happened to us in life, because we are going to be held responsible for how we live our personal live.

You are right. It has to do with our personal decisions. I believe someone who is tired of living a slavery life won't be forced to strive hard. Of course, getting jobs can be very difficult especially in countries that has no business with economical development, but I guess one can achieve almost anything when the hunger to succeed is there. And if we find ways to improve ourselves thereby working to live a good life, then I guess we will indirectly reduce the work load for those in government that has failed to do their part.
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November 14, 2024, 04:44:38 PM
#71
If others are still into this, then we must be able and ready to show that we are no longer interesting on modern day slavery, this is what we should be determined for as a country and as individual, we may not have to wait till others get this same narrative right, we have to work by what we are hoping and wanted to see happened to us in life, because we are going to be held responsible for how we live our personal live.
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November 14, 2024, 04:14:41 PM
#70
Honestly, as someone who has escaped the 9-5 job, I always believed that people are not willing to make less money, and not adventurous enough. This is why I believe that we are all looking at how to see this growing to be a based on simple stuff, that is not going to be all that ok, not really feeling fine at all, doesn't make that much sense. Sure you may have a great job at some office, and I bet you that if you are offered a job as cashier in some Walmart type of store, you would reject that just because it would be "harder" work and pays less.

Well, how do you know if you never tried it, maybe that's easier, maybe that makes more sense to you, maybe you would enjoy it a lot more. I have done this, I have given up everything, and started from the bottom many times before. If I lose everything now, I would be very upset and would be crying over losing my job because I love my job, but I will surely find another thing that makes me happy eventually, won't give up, won't give myself to 9-5 at all.
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November 14, 2024, 03:25:20 PM
#69
The thing is most of this things are very common in Africa some Asian and Arabic countries, you see them saying things the way it's supposed to be openly but practically doing a different thing, democracy has never existed in Africa, what we have here are recircled political class, in one of the African countries I know which I won't mention, what happens their is divide and rule,the political class don't care about the personality of the incoming president or governor, it doesn't matter to them, what matters to them is what they stand to gain.
The video you just mentioined that you have seen has proven to you that what they call democracy is good as fallacy, there is nothing of such that exist, what we see today is autocracy, the system is very porous that individuals that are supposed to talk get compromised with bribe and if you refused to accept it you die or remain silent forever to prevent you from dieing, it is too bad that things has gone from bad to worst.

As far as I know, democracy is just in lips, if there was such a thing, there are countries that are very rich in terms of natural resources, infact some state are very rich in terms of natural resources but the statutory allocation given to them looks like when you are gifting someone money, in democratic system where federal system of government is been practiced, this things don't happen but it is unfortunate that democracy has been humiliated to the extent that it's existence is just a mere talk to deceive the outside world from knowing the exact happening within the political class.
I am not African so I can't talk about that continent, but I am pretty sure that not every nation in a whole continent could be all the same, there must be some nations different from others, isn't it? Maybe I am wrong but it feels like that natural possibility, it's a whole continent, from Egypt to Morrocco to all the way down to south Africa, how could every nation there be all equals, feels like they would be different.

I can talk about Europe, and the weird thing is, slavery did existed in Europe a bit, but mostly it didn't really exist within, there were periods, like "slave" comes from literally slavic people for example, or roman empire did brought in slaves, but afterwards, they just used slaves where they are, so if they go to Africa, they use Africans to mine minerals, not bring them to England or something. That is why it's a different situation. In the end, we do not have modern-slavery, we have freedom, at least where I have, I have freedom.
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November 12, 2024, 02:16:30 PM
#68


Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

In our country, it is the major source of headaches for our people. The economy cannot move because there's too much corruption and this weakened the moral fiber of our country, Our people have a bad perception on our government officials there's a lot of hearing about corruption but still corruption continues.
This is because our people are easily deceived by officials when they are campaigning for office and as long as people consider popularity over good governance we will remain a struggling third world country.
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November 12, 2024, 11:31:35 AM
#67
The world system is built in such a way that it is extremely difficult to escape the 9-5 job. We are forced to work but the truth is if you don’t work, you can’t take care of your basic needs. In many companies, workers do not get to have a good work life balance because of the stress and demanding nature of their work. This to me is not so far from modern slavery. The only way out is to take your chances on starting your own business or selling a service.

Unfortunately, too many cooperate institutions use psychological control on their staff. To make them stay relevant and continue the building of the company. I wouldn't tag it slavery, because it's similar to a contract and the workers are selling their expertise to the company. Hence, people are advised to work in firms that'll help improved their experience and skill in a particular business.
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November 12, 2024, 10:04:56 AM
#66

Democracy is a camouflage used by the political leaders to conceal their the main system of ruling which they practice. Have you never wondered that the same rulers who ruled during the military system are still the same leaders in the democratic system. What do you expect from them? They cant change from that system because it is what they first practiced and hidden beneath their mind and soul the military spirit still resides in them. I have seen videos of people voting and at the end of the vote the military men are the ones who comes to take the ballot boxes. Which it is not how its supposed to be.
The thing is most of this things are very common in Africa some Asian and Arabic countries,
If you ask me, ill say its a global problem no continent is exempted. We are only opportuned to notice that it happens a lot in Africa and other part of Asia. Countries with world power are guilty of it too and i wont be surprised that they shut their media to refrain from spreading information like this to not ruin the influence they have on other countries looking up to them.

As far as I know, democracy is just in lips, if there was such a thing, there are countries that are very rich in terms of natural resources, infact some state are very rich in terms of natural resources but the statutory allocation given to them looks like when you are gifting someone money, in democratic system where federal system of government is been practiced, this things don't happen but it is unfortunate that democracy has been humiliated to the extent that it's existence is just a mere talk to deceive the outside world from knowing the exact happening within the political class.
On a norms its should be the individual states that takes whatever is left after allocating their budget to the federal government and not the other way round. But these days you see the federal government rationing the budget for the individual state development so that there will be enough left for them to share at the federal level. I don't want to go in deeper though in reality, the sovereign leaders should not be trusted.
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November 12, 2024, 09:44:30 AM
#65

Democracy is a camouflage used by the political leaders to conceal their the main system of ruling which they practice. Have you never wondered that the same rulers who ruled during the military system are still the same leaders in the democratic system. What do you expect from them? They cant change from that system because it is what they first practiced and hidden beneath their mind and soul the military spirit still resides in them. I have seen videos of people voting and at the end of the vote the military men are the ones who comes to take the ballot boxes. Which it is not how its supposed to be.

The thing is most of this things are very common in Africa some Asian and Arabic countries, you see them saying things the way it's supposed to be openly but practically doing a different thing, democracy has never existed in Africa, what we have here are recircled political class, in one of the African countries I know which I won't mention, what happens their is divide and rule,the political class don't care about the personality of the incoming president or governor, it doesn't matter to them, what matters to them is what they stand to gain.
The video you just mentioined that you have seen has proven to you that what they call democracy is good as fallacy, there is nothing of such that exist, what we see today is autocracy, the system is very porous that individuals that are supposed to talk get compromised with bribe and if you refused to accept it you die or remain silent forever to prevent you from dieing, it is too bad that things has gone from bad to worst.

As far as I know, democracy is just in lips, if there was such a thing, there are countries that are very rich in terms of natural resources, infact some state are very rich in terms of natural resources but the statutory allocation given to them looks like when you are gifting someone money, in democratic system where federal system of government is been practiced, this things don't happen but it is unfortunate that democracy has been humiliated to the extent that it's existence is just a mere talk to deceive the outside world from knowing the exact happening within the political class.
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November 11, 2024, 06:37:10 PM
#64
The political instability of a country with a democracy may be one of the reasons why it is experiencing a major economic struggle. Due to the given freedom, the system in politics, and the people, they're free to do whatever they can, and there's no iron hand that hits them whenever they need to be hit. Even, I don't like some other ways of government regime and management, if it's with stability of their country it seems that they're more organized than the ones that has this type of government, democratic.

Political instability will make a country unattractive to investors. There have been issues when a new government terminates a contract or memorandum of understanding with a foreign investor without compensation. So investors will be scared to put in huge funds in such politically unstable countries to avoid losses. I am sure no company will want to invest in Haiti where there has been constant change of government. The US and other advanced democracies are investment heaven to many multinationals because they have stable institutions that guarantee stable and constitutional transfer of powers.       
Exactly. The investors would like to be in a country that has a stable political status. They don't want to meddle into that affair because all they want is to be happily providing investments, jobs and services to any country that they are welcome to do business. This is the reason why many countries are easing with their rules as per foreign investors so that many of them would choose them and going to come in once they see the incentives that they're offering especially with taxes.
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November 11, 2024, 01:13:45 PM
#63
The world system is built in such a way that it is extremely difficult to escape the 9-5 job. We are forced to work but the truth is if you don’t work, you can’t take care of your basic needs. In many companies, workers do not get to have a good work life balance because of the stress and demanding nature of their work. This to me is not so far from modern slavery. The only way out is to take your chances on starting your own business or selling a service.
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November 11, 2024, 08:34:48 AM
#62
We are just slaves in our own country, there are many gold mines, the mines are everywhere, but all we get is dirt from factory waste. And let alone being able to live prosperously, it is quite difficult to get a decent job. Added to that, with prices that continue to soar, it is difficult for us to meet our living needs with mediocre wages.

And OP is right that the global political instability that is occurring is one of the roots of the problem. And why is this political instability one of the roots of the problem, because politics can give birth to things that can benefit and harm the people's economy. Political instability can give birth to policies that often change, and this will result in doubt for investors when they want to invest in the country. In the long term, this political instability will lead to a decrease in jobs and people's income. People will lose economic opportunities that they should be able to get.
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November 11, 2024, 06:27:21 AM
#61
The political instability of a country with a democracy may be one of the reasons why it is experiencing a major economic struggle. Due to the given freedom, the system in politics, and the people, they're free to do whatever they can, and there's no iron hand that hits them whenever they need to be hit. Even, I don't like some other ways of government regime and management, if it's with stability of their country it seems that they're more organized than the ones that has this type of government, democratic.

Political instability will make a country unattractive to investors. There have been issues when a new government terminates a contract or memorandum of understanding with a foreign investor without compensation. So investors will be scared to put in huge funds in such politically unstable countries to avoid losses. I am sure no company will want to invest in Haiti where there has been constant change of government. The US and other advanced democracies are investment heaven to many multinationals because they have stable institutions that guarantee stable and constitutional transfer of powers.       
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November 10, 2024, 02:29:34 PM
#60
The political instability of a country with a democracy may be one of the reasons why it is experiencing a major economic struggle. Due to the given freedom, the system in politics, and the people, they're free to do whatever they can, and there's no iron hand that hits them whenever they need to be hit. Even, I don't like some other ways of government regime and management, if it's with stability of their country it seems that they're more organized than the ones that has this type of government, democratic.
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November 10, 2024, 02:06:59 PM
#59
Political instability could be a major reason for modern day slavery. Seeing those people who have been victims of human trafficking, or even forced labor, that only proves that there is nothing good brought into the community about this political instability. And worst is, while the big names in the government are gaining a lot of benefits from it, those poor individuals have even push into extreme poverty. This leads to economic instability, where rich people becomes richer, while the poor ones end up the poorest of them all.

Democracy is much better than totalitarianism. However, unfortunately, democracy also has many critical shortcomings.

A politician has to be a populist to be elected to power. Instead of making strategic management decisions that will improve the economic situation in the future, politicians curry favor with their voters and make populist decisions that only have a short-term effect. As a result, with each new generation of politicians, the situation in the world becomes worse and worse, and management decisions become more and more populist. Some unscrupulous politicians even manage to create serious problems themselves, and then imitate activities aimed at solving these problems.

At the same time, each new generation of citizens lives worse than their fathers and grandfathers did. In order to maintain the previous standard of living, they have to work more and more.
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November 10, 2024, 02:05:30 PM
#58

I think the rule of government is biased and thereby favoring the rich and leaders with self interest instead of focusing on why the country should be a democratic country and this is why I see the developed countries like the US cease to help such countries cause the leaders have refused to follow the rules of government and they claim they are in charge and can deal with what they are facing whereas they are making a living hell out of the citizens.

Blame the people who vote those people into government.
Its not the rich, not even the government as much as those pushing a populist into power

In most cases especially in regions where there is corruption, the people do not have the power to decide who's there next leader will be because the system is rigged and  corrupt. Corruption has been the major problem in many countries why the government are not doing the right thing creating jobs opportunities and employment for the people. No basic amenities that are important for the people like water, stable light, cheaper foods and others to help the people live a better lifestyle.

The government have been making decisions that is not that supportive to the people and what they care about in most cases is there children and families giving them a better lifestyle. This could stop if only the people had the power to decide who their leader would be.
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November 10, 2024, 01:56:55 PM
#57
The fact that I can relate to whatever you have said proves that many countries are going through the same thing where there is political instability, and those in power are misusing their powers to oppress those who try to speak against them. There is no democracy; it's like a jungle where the strongest tend to kill and eat the weakest, and that continues. People choose someone as their leader, and that leader starts looting the same people who made them sit in that highly privileged seat. We can't call this democracy.

Political injustice and instability are the reasons why a country can't prosper. There is one more thing we need to understand: that the people are also wrong in this because they don't speak or stand up against cruelty. As they say, when you can see cruelty and don't speak up, you are a part of it.

If everyone starts protesting and stand against those doing injustice, they don't stand a chance, but unfortunately, we don't do it.
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November 10, 2024, 01:42:55 PM
#56

I think the rule of government is biased and thereby favoring the rich and leaders with self interest instead of focusing on why the country should be a democratic country and this is why I see the developed countries like the US cease to help such countries cause the leaders have refused to follow the rules of government and they claim they are in charge and can deal with what they are facing whereas they are making a living hell out of the citizens.

Blame the people who vote those people into government.
Its not the rich, not even the government as much as those pushing a populist into power
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November 10, 2024, 11:53:39 AM
#55

The government, which is supposed to look out for us, are the ones tearing us apart. The currency does not have much value, inflation is on the high side, and the prices of things are triple the price it was at the beginning.

I think the rule of government is biased and thereby favoring the rich and leaders with self interest instead of focusing on why the country should be a democratic country and this is why I see the developed countries like the US cease to help such countries cause the leaders have refused to follow the rules of government and they claim they are in charge and can deal with what they are facing whereas they are making a living hell out of the citizens.
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November 10, 2024, 10:24:50 AM
#54
Especially in the developed world people create a voluntary based slavery.
Banks entice you to take a credit when moving out, A car bought on credit and so the list gets on.
Now with rent climbing many people work to survive.

They could have avoided that, but security and a society with a lema of just follow the trail it's not easy.
Then again life is not easy and who tells you otherwise, plainly lies.
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November 10, 2024, 08:20:47 AM
#53
It's unfortunate that the democracy we all know to be, giving power to the people. Which simply emphasizes the importance of Human rights and fundamental freedom which promote equality and fairness, have changed hands on what we know democracy to be. Which has now become an individual thing, godfatherism and cabals kind of thing, that controls the affairs of the country and appoints whoever they want to rule any governing position with the condition on it to do whatever they command them to do.

My question is, how will a country develop when there are people who are hindering its progress and controlling government affairs for their interests without caring for the masses? If a country's government is not doing well, they are the ones responsible for it. If those people are not wiped out, we will still be worth nothing in the eyes of the government because those cabals are the ones who mostly decide who rules the country since they have the military and the Supreme Court in their hands to do their bidding.
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November 10, 2024, 06:06:18 AM
#52
It is difficult to say modern slavery at this time, because people pursue higher education for future provisions, and in the end they want to get a high position in any sector, and they pursue their desires tirelessly indirectly modern slavery is in themselves difficult to separate because everything already exists in its era.
It is indeed difficult to separate at this time because most people after graduating from a certain education are still very happy to become civil servants in the government sector so that they no longer care about an independent life that can bring them greater success when they have struggled in a certain business. I sometimes also find it difficult to understand why there are still many people who do not want to get rid of it even though they all understand the slavery today.
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November 09, 2024, 05:51:04 PM
#51
Only those who are complicit and help in the enslavement of governments are better off while the rest are getting poorer. However, the common people do not know that there is any chance of getting rid of this condition, which is why they have no choice but to choose this life of slavery.

We have choice but we choose not to make use of it, we have the choice of choosing who's going to rule us for the next four years in our different countries but people refuse to vote and leave the decision to be made by very few people. After the few people have made the decision, we now have no choice but to live by the outcome of the election. We can stop modern dey salary by being more involved in political decision that affects our life. When we show the governments that they need us more than we need them, they'll begin to value us more and help in making the country more better. There's no other way of leadership that is better than democracy because others are inhuman and have to do with oppression and other crimes against humanity. I do have a feeling that things will be better in the future because we have been improving and things will keep improving as we get more enlighten.
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November 09, 2024, 04:16:05 PM
#50
In the present era, democratic government is considered as the holder of the development of a country, but in reality it is not for the common people. Where people look to government policies for their betterment, governments tend not to value the people in general but are busy pursuing their own interests. How can human development be expected in such a situation? Democracy where practiced only officially but in reality common people are becoming more helpless. That's why we can say people are living in modern day slavery. Only those who are complicit and help in the enslavement of governments are better off while the rest are getting poorer. However, the common people do not know that there is any chance of getting rid of this condition, which is why they have no choice but to choose this life of slavery.
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November 09, 2024, 03:22:04 PM
#49
And you would be right to decline that idea. There is absolutely no "slavery" in what we do, it's obviously not a great life to live when there are so many things that we can't afford, but being upset that you can't get what you want, doesn't mean we are slaves. And just because business owners could make so much more than the worker, doesn't mean they are masters.

We can easily quit any job we have, that is the proof that we are not slaves, there is absolutely no other reason required, if you can go to work today, and give your two week notice, that means you are not a slave. Slavery has to be being hold against your wishes and that does exist in some sweatshop parts of the world, just not around where we live. I believe in the power of individual, and the right to be as strong as possible, so many people grew up from nothing and even became presidents, and that means we need to realize things aren't going to be that bad for the individual at all.
I agree that individuals have rights and freedoms today, I mean I think many people who can write here have almost the same rights.
Although inflation is high today, that is a separate issue, economic activities, poverty have not always been like this.
 Maybe the job you chose is wrong, you become poor because you learned the profession and insisted on it, this may be one of the factors. People get what they want in some way, slavery is a complete restriction.

There is a confusion of concepts. Each worker or employer may have a different perspective, and this difference does not accurately reflect the definition of modern slavery. Clear concepts are needed to distinguish this. For example, if there is behavior A in a workplace, this can be considered modern slavery. It is not easy to determine the example of behavior A because not everyone may think of this behavior in the same way.

In today's business life, laws protect employees in many ways. I accept that not every business has the same conditions, and I know that some businesses put too much pressure on their employees. I hope that difficult conditions in working life will be corrected and such concepts will no longer be discussed.
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November 09, 2024, 01:55:42 PM
#48
And you would be right to decline that idea. There is absolutely no "slavery" in what we do, it's obviously not a great life to live when there are so many things that we can't afford, but being upset that you can't get what you want, doesn't mean we are slaves. And just because business owners could make so much more than the worker, doesn't mean they are masters.

We can easily quit any job we have, that is the proof that we are not slaves, there is absolutely no other reason required, if you can go to work today, and give your two week notice, that means you are not a slave. Slavery has to be being hold against your wishes and that does exist in some sweatshop parts of the world, just not around where we live. I believe in the power of individual, and the right to be as strong as possible, so many people grew up from nothing and even became presidents, and that means we need to realize things aren't going to be that bad for the individual at all.
I agree that individuals have rights and freedoms today, I mean I think many people who can write here have almost the same rights.
Although inflation is high today, that is a separate issue, economic activities, poverty have not always been like this.
 Maybe the job you chose is wrong, you become poor because you learned the profession and insisted on it, this may be one of the factors. People get what they want in some way, slavery is a complete restriction.
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November 09, 2024, 01:10:22 PM
#47
Indeed there's a bigger picture which is overall economic situation and leaders behind administrations. Some people are still not aware of how big the impact of their voted politicians in the long run and as they serve their positions. People should be taking elections more seriously to ease their lives as citizens of respective countries.
Even though people feel there's no right candidate still it's important to vote for someone who they feel might be better compared to all which is the only choice we got that may not end all the struggle but atleast give better than worst and also political changes need very long time to make changes that can impact so don't expect anything that should change drastically in just one term. Also citizens should voice what they want when government does something is not in their favour, if there's enough support government will not forcefully implement changes most of the time because they always concerned of the next election.
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November 09, 2024, 12:53:52 PM
#46
Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
Economic instability can be caused by economic instability. The more advanced the economy of a country is and the more active it gets to drive the economy of the country, the economic systems move forward beautifully, but what can be seen from here, it can be said that the reason for the difficulty of a country's economy is the instability of the economy.

The economy of a country depends on the proper management of the country but if the economy of that country is not managed properly, then the economy of that country will not be good. will give It will be seen that they are unable to continue their normal lifestyle. The only aspect that has thrown their normal life out of balance is that the economy is unstable.

A country's economy can make life better for the common people through better management and it can also make the life of the common people difficult due to economic instability.
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November 09, 2024, 12:43:40 PM
#45
We can easily quit any job we have, that is the proof that we are not slaves, there is absolutely no other reason required, if you can go to work today, and give your two week notice, that means you are not a slave. Slavery has to be being hold against your wishes and that does exist in some sweatshop parts of the world, just not around where we live. I believe in the power of individual, and the right to be as strong as possible, so many people grew up from nothing and even became presidents, and that means we need to realize things aren't going to be that bad for the individual at all.
Technically it's true, but I can understand why people say it's slavery.

Yeah you can easily quit the job we have, but we as human being need money to pay food, rent, utility bills etc. If you're born from poor parents, you're forced to work to fulfill your needs especially you're not have a degree, in the end you will work in blue collar jobs and it's similar from one to another jobs.


I agree, it depends on your circumstances as an individual. Of course anyone would want to quit their job if they're not being paid enough for their work or let's say environment is being toxic and for whatever reason there is. However, let's think of why people doesn't make immediate decisions; they are considering the circumstances from doing so. In many countries, employment is a problem 'coz competition is getting tighter. It won't be enough to say be more competitive or what not 'coz there are other factors such as connection and referrals to get a job nowadays. Their daily expenses are on the line. Some might say one should have savings and all, but things aren't that simple. Privileges are the bottomline. People are more practical these days which holds them back which is just a valid response. Not to normalize but there just instances some people are left by their circumstances with no options to quit once met with inconvenience from their jobs.
Even though it's called democracy it's not for every people, it's just for the people who bring more revenue and favour the ruling parties and always burden the middle class with all kind of taxes. Choosing the right leader should be the solution but what if the two candidates are not considered as a fit and we boycott the voting still either one of them will be chosen that's the downside of democracy. There's actually no real life change in those financial and political leaders so always people has to face the worst things but even the leaders of poor countries are living their life as comfortable as they can.
Indeed there's a bigger picture which is overall economic situation and leaders behind administrations. Some people are still not aware of how big the impact of their voted politicians in the long run and as they serve their positions. People should be taking elections more seriously to ease their lives as citizens of respective countries.
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November 09, 2024, 12:24:04 PM
#44
Even though it's called democracy it's not for every people, it's just for the people who bring more revenue and favour the ruling parties and always burden the middle class with all kind of taxes. Choosing the right leader should be the solution but what if the two candidates are not considered as a fit and we boycott the voting still either one of them will be chosen that's the downside of democracy. There's actually no real life change in those financial and political leaders so always people has to face the worst things but even the leaders of poor countries are living their life as comfortable as they can.
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November 09, 2024, 11:48:45 AM
#43
Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.

The government, which is supposed to look out for us, are the ones tearing us apart. The currency does not have much value, inflation is on the high side, and the prices of things are triple the price it was at the beginning of the year.

The citizens speaking seems they are shouting into a void. It seems democracy has been used as a cover for either military rule or other forms of oppression that do not listen to the people.  Those in power want to keep fooling the people and continue ruling under the tag of democracy.

It's not easy to think positively with the current economy talk less about starting out on your own because there are certain opposing government policies and oppositions too.  What people do is adjust to the hardships.

People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

Sounds more like dictatorship in the name of democracy. The only way to get rid of this is to overthrow the government. Not sure what country you are from, but the more you guys wait, the worse it will get. Don't expect anything to get better anytime soon. I am sure they have already suppressed all the government parties that stands against them. And pretty much sure the elections are being rigged. 


Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
This is not a political instability. More like political corruption.
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November 09, 2024, 11:41:42 AM
#42
We can easily quit any job we have, that is the proof that we are not slaves, there is absolutely no other reason required, if you can go to work today, and give your two week notice, that means you are not a slave. Slavery has to be being hold against your wishes and that does exist in some sweatshop parts of the world, just not around where we live. I believe in the power of individual, and the right to be as strong as possible, so many people grew up from nothing and even became presidents, and that means we need to realize things aren't going to be that bad for the individual at all.
Technically it's true, but I can understand why people say it's slavery.

Yeah you can easily quit the job we have, but we as human being need money to pay food, rent, utility bills etc. If you're born from poor parents, you're forced to work to fulfill your needs especially you're not have a degree, in the end you will work in blue collar jobs and it's similar from one to another jobs.

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#41
I refuse to follow this logic, because if I did, I would have to accept the fact I don't have any autenticity or free will at all, since it's all about a gray undefined body called system which decides everything for me.

This system is composed by people like us, who somehow managed to accumulate power, using their skills and cognitive abilities to manipulate and take advantage from average citizens of society.

They are constantly trying to make us to believe we have no choices, besides playing their game. The fact you are persuaded to always choose the lesser evil is an evidence of that. However, you don't have to. You always have the possibility and potential to find gaps on this system imposed to you in order to thrive and develop yourself, despite obstacles and sabotages.

The difficult level involved in not playing the system's game may be high, but it's not impossible, and I guess the purpose of life is to not give up to them. Key point I've found is to be less dependant as possible on mainstream groups, while becoming more autonomous and self-reliable on yourself.
And you would be right to decline that idea. There is absolutely no "slavery" in what we do, it's obviously not a great life to live when there are so many things that we can't afford, but being upset that you can't get what you want, doesn't mean we are slaves. And just because business owners could make so much more than the worker, doesn't mean they are masters.

We can easily quit any job we have, that is the proof that we are not slaves, there is absolutely no other reason required, if you can go to work today, and give your two week notice, that means you are not a slave. Slavery has to be being hold against your wishes and that does exist in some sweatshop parts of the world, just not around where we live. I believe in the power of individual, and the right to be as strong as possible, so many people grew up from nothing and even became presidents, and that means we need to realize things aren't going to be that bad for the individual at all.
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November 09, 2024, 10:45:23 AM
#40
Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.

The government, which is supposed to look out for us, are the ones tearing us apart. The currency does not have much value, inflation is on the high side, and the prices of things are triple the price it was at the beginning of the year.
For now, in the end, regardless of whatever country carries their concept, whether it leads to Democracy or something else like Liberalism, in the end it remains the same where when the government has power, all kinds of things that happen will be an advantage to make everything their personal advantage.

In the end, all those who already have power will certainly try to benefit themselves first so that democracy is just a mask to make it seem as if the country remains on the same track but the inside has been changed in such a way as to benefit themselves in terms of regulations and policies that will be implemented.

There is no need to be too strange because it is likely that almost all countries will also do the same thing, it's just that some are clearly visible for their plans and some are still covered up, but indeed things like this are more clearly visible for some countries that are still said to be underdeveloped or developing countries.
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November 09, 2024, 10:14:10 AM
#39
Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
Democracy is a camouflage used by the political leaders to conceal their the main system of ruling which they practice. Have you never wondered that the same rulers who ruled during the military system are still the same leaders in the democratic system. What do you expect from them? They cant change from that system because it is what they first practiced and hidden beneath their mind and soul the military spirit still resides in them. I have seen videos of people voting and at the end of the vote the military men are the ones who comes to take the ballot boxes. Which it is not how its supposed to be.
That's right. The democratic system is only a name, but in practice many people get votes in an improper or fraudulent way and even with democracy like this sometimes leaders are born who have no capacity at all, they become leaders because they have a lot of money. The democratic system is actually good but when practiced many are wrong, so it is not surprising that in many democratic countries there is economic instability while countries that do not adhere to democracy actually have better economies. So it can be said that people do not actually need democracy but only need a place to live, work, education and have fun. Democracy only enriches the interests of political groups.

We as the people can only surrender to the situation. In the end we must be independent, no need to hope for the government. In the end we must also realize that being rich does not require success, what distinguishes slaves and workers is in values ​​and mindset. Because we must not close our eyes to the fact that both need each other. The point is to become quality human resources, then the opportunity for success will be greater, so that it does not become modern slavery.
Most of the leaders are well-known rich individuals who can pay their way through no matter the cost that comes around. In my country, the current leaders are mostly men who witnessed the independence of the country. They are still the same cabinet, which sits at the round table and chooses who will lead them, not the country. The inhouse voting will be used as the main criterion to know who will win the upcoming elections. Trust me the so-called parties we see, just an association of them leaders. Anyone who win in the strongest political party wins the presidential election. And the other member of the political parties will benefit in other subsdaires positions that are left. 
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November 09, 2024, 09:30:49 AM
#38
Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
Democracy is a camouflage used by the political leaders to conceal their the main system of ruling which they practice. Have you never wondered that the same rulers who ruled during the military system are still the same leaders in the democratic system. What do you expect from them? They cant change from that system because it is what they first practiced and hidden beneath their mind and soul the military spirit still resides in them. I have seen videos of people voting and at the end of the vote the military men are the ones who comes to take the ballot boxes. Which it is not how its supposed to be.
That's right. The democratic system is only a name, but in practice many people get votes in an improper or fraudulent way and even with democracy like this sometimes leaders are born who have no capacity at all, they become leaders because they have a lot of money. The democratic system is actually good but when practiced many are wrong, so it is not surprising that in many democratic countries there is economic instability while countries that do not adhere to democracy actually have better economies. So it can be said that people do not actually need democracy but only need a place to live, work, education and have fun. Democracy only enriches the interests of political groups.

We as the people can only surrender to the situation. In the end we must be independent, no need to hope for the government. In the end we must also realize that being rich does not require success, what distinguishes slaves and workers is in values ​​and mindset. Because we must not close our eyes to the fact that both need each other. The point is to become quality human resources, then the opportunity for success will be greater, so that it does not become modern slavery.
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#37
The world's system is designed to enslave people, we have believed the idea that one can only be successful if he or she goes to school and bags a degree, what happens after you graduate from college? You still find yourself in the system working for the government, working a 9 to 5 job or working multiple jobs and with all these hard work you won't be paid enough to live the life of your dreams, this is indeed modern day slavery. Becoming financially free comes with a lot of risks, sacrifices, consistency and improvisation.

It is difficult to say modern slavery at this time, because people pursue higher education for future provisions, and in the end they want to get a high position in any sector, and they pursue their desires tirelessly indirectly modern slavery is in themselves difficult to separate because everything already exists in its era.
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#36
Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.

The government, which is supposed to look out for us, are the ones tearing us apart. The currency does not have much value, inflation is on the high side, and the prices of things are triple the price it was at the beginning of the year.

The citizens speaking seems they are shouting into a void. It seems democracy has been used as a cover for either military rule or other forms of oppression that do not listen to the people.  Those in power want to keep fooling the people and continue ruling under the tag of democracy.

It's not easy to think positively with the current economy talk less about starting out on your own because there are certain opposing government policies and oppositions too.  What people do is adjust to the hardships.

People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
The situation is the same in my country, prices are going up, rent is going up, and people have to work more but get paid less. Political instability is one part of the puzzle, the real reason behind modern-day slavery is capitalism to my mind. Rich people became monopolists and are exploiting the working class. People in politics try to earn money and power, that's all they want and create shady businesses with other rich people, they are trying to empty our pockets and fill their pockets. Another problem is that we can't unite. In my country, if someone protests working conditions, other people will use that as an opportunity to get employed or step up by showing loyalty to the company.

The situation is terrible and we lack good people in politics. In my country, if you say that let's protest economic issues, no one will stand with you to protest but if you say protest LGBT issues, then thousands of people will stand by your side immediately and politicians use that as a tool to stay in power and make us stay in poverty. 
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#35
I believe this is closely related to our current economic system. Under this system, people have long been objectified and commodified. The over-manufactured demand for consumption has turned us into slaves of money, no longer autonomous consumers, but victims driven by the market and profit.
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#34
The world's system is designed to enslave people, we have believed the idea that one can only be successful if he or she goes to school and bags a degree, what happens after you graduate from college? You still find yourself in the system working for the government, working a 9 to 5 job or working multiple jobs and with all these hard work you won't be paid enough to live the life of your dreams, this is indeed modern day slavery. Becoming financially free comes with a lot of risks, sacrifices, consistency and improvisation.
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November 07, 2024, 05:59:59 AM
#33
I'm speaking of facts on the ground. A little boy is very excited to go to school but the school is one-day kilometer away (that's how they measure distance somewhere in the mountains-- that means you need an entire day of walking to reach your destination), the trail is almost impassable especially when it rains, the parents are dirt poor, and so on. Now, I'm not saying that the boy won't become a professional someday, but the odds are totally against him. It won't surprise me, and I won't blame them, if only 1 among 10 of them will eventually finish elementary.

In my city, the battle of who will lead it is fought between two members of political and corrupt dynasties. You tell me if I indeed have a choice.

Free will, freedom, authenticity, choice, and so on are beautiful words. Words. If you're under a different set of circumstances, you can speak of them as if they're real. To some, they aren't.

And there are such concepts as natural lottery and social lottery. The government, institutions, system, structures should fill the gap, provide more to those who aren't so lucky in these lotteries. They fail! Terribly!
Darker45, you decided to believe or consider free will and autenticity to be simply words, probably empty words. I'm not saying it's wrong, because you must have your reasons to see things this way.

The recipe to be followed isn't the same for everyone. The boy on the mountains will have to discover and find his own way, just like you and me will have to find ours by ourselves. The point is that there must be gaps on the system, despite the situations faced being pretty challenging and frustrating.

Regards wicked political systems, which are disputed by two dinasties in most places in this world, I believe the first step is to not take part on it. Don't join any factions, avoid depending on them as much as possible, draw personal goals which you can pursue and conclude while avoiding such politicians.

At least, that is what I've observed and learned from life so far...
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November 06, 2024, 06:58:06 AM
#32
Well, i know that even so many other countries in the world are also experiencing inflation as much as your country and it's clear that so many people around the world are suffering of starvation, the poor can no longer manage as they normally do in the past and even the middle class citizens no longer finds it easy to have a complete three square meal a day. It's not easy, we can see that the government are not helping so we just have to be sensitive and do what it takes to survive.
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November 05, 2024, 10:28:35 PM
#31
The major cause of modern crisis are the individual choices people have been making along history's course. Democracy allows people to choose their leaders, so if these leaders aren't performing as desired, why are people still voting and supporting them?

You can take any countries as example. People are constantly complaining about economical and social crisis, but at same time they defend politicians with enthusiasm, they idolize politicians.

Of course nothing will ever be fixed this way, because politicians feel safe to put in practice measures to benefit themselves, while neglecting the demands and needs of the population. There aren't negative consequences for them, so why would they change their actions?
How can the people choose their leaders when after voting the whole electoral process will be rigged and another leader will be chosen? The system has been fully manipulated. When the people vote those in power goes back inside and remove all the vote inserting their own vote. In my country last election i participated in voting. And these time i decided to keep record of all the votes in my local area and most importantly in my polling unit. When the result came out it was a whole different thing. The other candidate who have the least vote in local area was given the highest vote and he is our current president now.
In a democratic kind of government then it's something on where people will be able to choose up the leaders that will govern the country but of course corruption isn't something that could be totally wiped out or still could happen.Also, when it comes to electoral process on which people are really that being manipulated or making some unwise decisions because of money that being given to them on such manner that resulting on voting into those none capable candidates on which it do end up having those end up regrets. Whenever this thing happens about voting a certain candidate but ending up with those platforms been promised aren't that being done.

We citizens are the ones will really be affected by this on which it do really cut up the opportunity that should be given into its citizens but of course theres no way on knowing it beforehand.It is really that just depending on different factors but actually we could be able to resolve out our tough condition if we are really that mindful in regard it but of course not all people have the same mindset.
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November 05, 2024, 08:44:17 PM
#30
~snip~

I'm not discounting the power of an individual to defy the odds and achieve great success. But it would be unfair to blame them for failing. The hindrances and obstacles toward success are insurmountable, and these are usually systematic and structural. Rather than putting all the blame to the individual, it's the leaders, the state, institutions, the socio-economic structure, and so on should that should be held accountable.

In the first place, are the individuals actually given a choice? Or is the democratic process merely giving them evil and lesser evil as options?
I refuse to follow this logic, because if I did, I would have to accept the fact I don't have any autenticity or free will at all, since it's all about a gray undefined body called system which decides everything for me.

This system is composed by people like us, who somehow managed to accumulate power, using their skills and cognitive abilities to manipulate and take advantage from average citizens of society.

They are constantly trying to make us to believe we have no choices, besides playing their game. The fact you are persuaded to always choose the lesser evil is an evidence of that. However, you don't have to. You always have the possibility and potential to find gaps on this system imposed to you in order to thrive and develop yourself, despite obstacles and sabotages.

The difficult level involved in not playing the system's game may be high, but it's not impossible, and I guess the purpose of life is to not give up to them. Key point I've found is to be less dependant as possible on mainstream groups, while becoming more autonomous and self-reliable on yourself.

I'm speaking of facts on the ground. A little boy is very excited to go to school but the school is one-day kilometer away (that's how they measure distance somewhere in the mountains-- that means you need an entire day of walking to reach your destination), the trail is almost impassable especially when it rains, the parents are dirt poor, and so on. Now, I'm not saying that the boy won't become a professional someday, but the odds are totally against him. It won't surprise me, and I won't blame them, if only 1 among 10 of them will eventually finish elementary.

In my city, the battle of who will lead it is fought between two members of political and corrupt dynasties. You tell me if I indeed have a choice.

Free will, freedom, authenticity, choice, and so on are beautiful words. Words. If you're under a different set of circumstances, you can speak of them as if they're real. To some, they aren't.

And there are such concepts as natural lottery and social lottery. The government, institutions, system, structures should fill the gap, provide more to those who aren't so lucky in these lotteries. They fail! Terribly!
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November 05, 2024, 05:30:19 PM
#29
People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
This is also a strong foundation Bitcoin was created to provide an alternative to freedom when everything is controlled by the government or more precisely controlled by a handful of groups who claim to manage the wealth of the people but the people never feel the results of that wealth. Is the situation in every country that carries democracy the same? maybe but is there anything better than a democratic system? socialist? communist? Liberalism? Libertarianism? or Authoritarianism?

That's bullshi*, all designed only to maintain slavery.
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November 05, 2024, 04:43:20 PM
#28
People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

If people don't have a way, they don't have to wait for the government to provide for them. Obviously, everyone want a sweet life but if the government doesn't provide, you have to work your ass out because nobody is coming to save you but yourself. You think someone with 3-5 jobs enjoys doing it? Obviously no, just as a result of bad government, but don't forget that even if the provide everything there people that will take the jobs no matter what.

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Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

There is nothing people can do about politicql instabin, it's a dirty game. Instead of been involved or complaining everyday, better focus on your own life, improved on your earning and make investment, try as much as possible to become a richer and richer so you don't have to do a modern day slavery, even the people that are doing different jobs are looking for a breakthrough that's why they are doing these jobs, nobody want to suffer in this life my friend.
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November 05, 2024, 01:02:21 PM
#27
Political instability could be a major reason for modern day slavery. Seeing those people who have been victims of human trafficking, or even forced labor, that only proves that there is nothing good brought into the community about this political instability. And worst is, while the big names in the government are gaining a lot of benefits from it, those poor individuals have even push into extreme poverty. This leads to economic instability, where rich people becomes richer, while the poor ones end up the poorest of them all.
I think that slavery have already existed even before and I think it is much worse before in fact. As for now, there are now politics and I think yeah, it is one of the reasons on why some are poor and being a slave to others for money. I think that even though there is a stability in the political system, crimes like you mentioned there can still occur, though their levels are now minimized. Same goes with the economic instability, it can also occur naturally no matter what but again, its effects and duration are now reduced if there is a stability in the political system.

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that only proves that there is nothing good brought into the community about this political instability
Obviously, because that is what its name implies (being unstable) but are you actually expecting something positive about it? That would be weird then if yes.
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November 05, 2024, 07:34:44 AM
#26
The major cause of modern crisis are the individual choices people have been making along history's course. Democracy allows people to choose their leaders, so if these leaders aren't performing as desired, why are people still voting and supporting them?

I'm not discounting the power of an individual to defy the odds and achieve great success. But it would be unfair to blame them for failing. The hindrances and obstacles toward success are insurmountable, and these are usually systematic and structural. Rather than putting all the blame to the individual, it's the leaders, the state, institutions, the socio-economic structure, and so on should that should be held accountable.

In the first place, are the individuals actually given a choice? Or is the democratic process merely giving them evil and lesser evil as options?
I refuse to follow this logic, because if I did, I would have to accept the fact I don't have any autenticity or free will at all, since it's all about a gray undefined body called system which decides everything for me.

This system is composed by people like us, who somehow managed to accumulate power, using their skills and cognitive abilities to manipulate and take advantage from average citizens of society.

They are constantly trying to make us to believe we have no choices, besides playing their game. The fact you are persuaded to always choose the lesser evil is an evidence of that. However, you don't have to. You always have the possibility and potential to find gaps on this system imposed to you in order to thrive and develop yourself, despite obstacles and sabotages.

The difficult level involved in not playing the system's game may be high, but it's not impossible, and I guess the purpose of life is to not give up to them. Key point I've found is to be less dependant as possible on mainstream groups, while becoming more autonomous and self-reliable on yourself.
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November 05, 2024, 06:38:25 AM
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The major cause of modern crisis are the individual choices people have been making along history's course. Democracy allows people to choose their leaders, so if these leaders aren't performing as desired, why are people still voting and supporting them?

You can take any countries as example. People are constantly complaining about economical and social crisis, but at same time they defend politicians with enthusiasm, they idolize politicians.

Of course nothing will ever be fixed this way, because politicians feel safe to put in practice measures to benefit themselves, while neglecting the demands and needs of the population. There aren't negative consequences for them, so why would they change their actions?
How can the people choose their leaders when after voting the whole electoral process will be rigged and another leader will be chosen? The system has been fully manipulated. When the people vote those in power goes back inside and remove all the vote inserting their own vote. In my country last election i participated in voting. And these time i decided to keep record of all the votes in my local area and most importantly in my polling unit. When the result came out it was a whole different thing. The other candidate who have the least vote in local area was given the highest vote and he is our current president now.
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November 05, 2024, 06:28:22 AM
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Political instability could be a major reason for modern day slavery. Seeing those people who have been victims of human trafficking, or even forced labor, that only proves that there is nothing good brought into the community about this political instability. And worst is, while the big names in the government are gaining a lot of benefits from it, those poor individuals have even push into extreme poverty. This leads to economic instability, where rich people becomes richer, while the poor ones end up the poorest of them all.
The political issue is everywhere to the world. That's why the financial situation is not stable everywhere. Even we have seen war in many countries. That's why everything is unstable. The inflammation is happen to the finance. All small entrepreneur losses his business and couldn’t control the financial crisis. The economy become collapse for that political and international issus. As you said as a result we have seen poor people become more poor and all of the issues pushes us to do the modern slavery. It couldn’t become stopped where whole world facing these issues and developing countries are fail to keep the situation. These counties people are surviving and they are being forced to the modern slavery.
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November 05, 2024, 06:00:08 AM
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Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

Democracy is a system of government and not an economic policy. Some countries are not operating democratic systems but the economy of the country is managed to benefit the entire citizens. While there are others which have democracy in place but are still going through severe economic problems.

The problem with most democracies in the developing world is that there is no separation of powers. The executive arm of government has successfully taken control of both the judiciary and legislatures. This will make the president to be powerful and not under the check of any institution. When these politicians are not held accountable to any institution, they end up looting the resources of the country.

For me, the problem is not the system of government but the sincerity and integrity of the political class. Any country that is ruled by corrupt politicians will not be prosperous regardless of the type of government they operate.

As citizens, we have to look for diverse legal means to survive because these greedy politicians don't care about the well-being of the people.
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#22
Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.
the issue is that the said democracy which is supposed to be "government of the people by the people and for the people is not practiced in most part of the world and this is where we start to get it all wrong. When we allow ourselves to become instruments of electoral malpractice that helps to rig the election and then a leader that doesn't have the people at heart eventually win and leads, he's going to turn the citizens into slaves.

How can we be in a modern society where someone will prio to an election tells the citizens that it is his turn to become the president even though he is extremely old. He will buy votes and literally buy his way into office and you want to tell me he wouldn't enslave the people who happily collected money from him before voting him? From the day we agree to vote a wrong candidate because of the penny that comes with it and not the track record is the day We allowed ourselves to be enslaved by the said person untill his tenure expires.
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November 04, 2024, 10:51:11 PM
#21
While many blame political instability for the economic crisis, I think we must also give due consideration to the role played by inflation and high interest rates. In 2024 alone, from Europe to Asia and the US, economies all over the world have seen inflationary pressures, many continue to have an impact on everyday costs, so people feel the pinch everywhere.

The other side of this frustration is that even against some dire economic projections, evidence that consumer sentiment was rebounding suggested that, with some analysts projecting its stabilization in the months ahead, these were not just problems of failed governance but part of larger global changes-altered trade policies and fears of economic downturns.
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November 04, 2024, 10:04:16 PM
#20
The major cause of modern crisis are the individual choices people have been making along history's course. Democracy allows people to choose their leaders, so if these leaders aren't performing as desired, why are people still voting and supporting them?

I'm not discounting the power of an individual to defy the odds and achieve great success. But it would be unfair to blame them for failing. The hindrances and obstacles toward success are insurmountable, and these are usually systematic and structural. Rather than putting all the blame to the individual, it's the leaders, the state, institutions, the socio-economic structure, and so on should that should be held accountable.

In the first place, are the individuals actually given a choice? Or is the democratic process merely giving them evil and lesser evil as options?
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November 04, 2024, 08:21:50 PM
#19
People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

There are many factors that may occur today so that it affects the economy which is increasingly difficult despite the easiest path that can be blamed for political incompetence.
Most people have to work more than 12 to make additional money in meeting the needs of living with family and unfortunately even though they have worked with more hours of money are also insufficient because of the problem of rising goods that are not controlled.

Power that begins with fraud will give birth to leaders who are not just so that when they lead the people in it it is even worse.
Employment is increasingly out of control and work wages given are under the standard of eligibility but because they do not have the choice of the community must continue to work even though the salary is not appropriate.
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November 04, 2024, 07:51:28 PM
#18
The reality is that democracy is a system that has a very short lifespan, and this is because even if at some point a country and it citizens allowed a democracy to flourish, once an individual gains power, it is completely natural that individual will want to retain that power for themselves and others like him, so cheating the elections or at least to influence them on their favor is very common, and before you realize it the democratic process is still supposedly in place, but the democracy itself has died and only a small group of people control the country from that point on.
Yes, there is always a small group on the top manipulating and controlling the masses. It's a phenomenon which goes beyond ideologies, since leaders from every spectres adopt this stance once they reach power. And individuals who simply try to open the eyes of the masses to this fact are persecuted, defamed, isolated from society and mocked by the masses who they are trying to wake up. It's a lost battle after all. It's frustrating.

That is why it's important that each of us live our own lives, forgetting about collective causes which are doomed to failure. In history, some idealist people died for others in vain. Truth is that they could have lived their own lives pursuing happiness side by side with loyal individuals who really loved and cared for them. Instead, they decided to pursue unhappiness for those who couldn't care less for them.
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November 04, 2024, 06:48:38 PM
#17
Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
Well at first this thread should have been in the politics and society section but nevertheless I think majority of the problem comes from our leaders while the rest comes from each citizens. Sometimes I often say that government help is limited to the society, they do what pleases them wether it is good or not and nobody can question them, because they have power. So as the case may be I can encourage every youth to be hardworking and don't be depending on government providing opportunities for you otherwise you will be poor. Most people who graduated from schools today don't have skill but hope that after graduating from high school they will have a well paid job from government, not knowing government only have limited job and have few people occupying it. So most people who came back from higher institutions hoping on government work got disappointed. because they failed themselves by hoping on government. so the earlier we start removing the mentality of government helping us the better for Us because government can not favour everybody wether in job creation , infrastructure and development, skill training and more . We should also be in position to creat job opportunities for others.
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November 04, 2024, 05:30:19 PM
#16
The situation is also bad in my country, and it has nothing to do with political instability, it is more about government spending taxpayers money on themselves and for their comfort, rather than using it for infrastructure and nation building. Our government over here is raising taxes, but yet taxpayers cannot see the products of the taxes they are paying.

That being said, people work everywhere in the world, that is not a problem, what is a problem in my country is how the government cannot provide the basic things that makes life better, nor make any progress economically.
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November 04, 2024, 05:18:28 PM
#15
Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.
Slavery is a word in find too difficult to use in qualifying some of the situations about our world and society today but, it’s almost evident in certain situations such as stipulated in OP.

Some nations have been blinded by the idea of democracy to the point that, democratic processes are not even followed in the electoral processes but instead, you find a very corrupted method to conducting of elections and this proceeds into the mood by which the people are govern where, the citizens are undermined in decision making and taking.

It’s evidently the reality in many societies today but still, slavery isn’t the word to qualify it.
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November 04, 2024, 04:45:46 PM
#14
The major cause of modern crisis are the individual choices people have been making along history's course. Democracy allows people to choose their leaders, so if these leaders aren't performing as desired, why are people still voting and supporting them?

You can take any countries as example. People are constantly complaining about economical and social crisis, but at same time they defend politicians with enthusiasm, they idolize politicians.

Of course nothing will ever be fixed this way, because politicians feel safe to put in practice measures to benefit themselves, while neglecting the demands and needs of the population. There aren't negative consequences for them, so why would they change their actions?
The reality is that democracy is a system that has a very short lifespan, and this is because even if at some point a country and it citizens allowed a democracy to flourish, once an individual gains power, it is completely natural that individual will want to retain that power for themselves and others like him, so cheating the elections or at least to influence them on their favor is very common, and before you realize it the democratic process is still supposedly in place, but the democracy itself has died and only a small group of people control the country from that point on.
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November 04, 2024, 04:31:13 PM
#13
Highly doubt its Democracy itself that's the problem. It's the people sitting in the positions of power that are a problem. Even if you say power is in the people, if the majority are swayed either by money or popularity, then there's no power there really.

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Election is just a means for them to showcase that they "care". After that you ain't going to hear jack for the vast majority of them. Not even that, there are already problems with the way they're accepting candidates for the government here. It's more of a popularity contest than competence!
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November 04, 2024, 03:16:54 PM
#12
We need to stop expecting help from the government. In fact, we need smaller and less powerful governments as most governments are just wasting money on unnecessary projects. Governments are inefficient as they are making their budgets from the money which they collect from the taxpayers. They don’t bust their asses to earn that money. Someone else earns it and the government collects it from those people.

Watch Elon Musk, he also wants the same thing in America and that’s why he will be in charge of D.O.G.E. (department of government efficiency) once Trump gets into the office. He notices that the current government in the US is doing more bad than good, wasting money on stupid shit like gender transition surgeries for inmates…

Once the gov spending gets under control, people won’t feel like slaves anymore as they will get richer.
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November 04, 2024, 03:13:30 PM
#11
Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

There are reasons why we're having economical hardship and it's because of the policy that the government brings that affects the economy. When you don't have the right government ruling the country, we're going to have situations like this because they won't know what to do to make the economy better. Modern slavery are jobs we work day and night for and yet at the end of everything we don't have enough money to buy the necessary things that we need.

Our jobs barely hold us through the month and the government are a major reason for this because they intentionally make things difficult for us so we can give them more chances to try to fixed the economy that they destroyed. The government use us for winning elections and they keep us as their slave for the next election.
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November 04, 2024, 02:40:34 PM
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Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.

The government, which is supposed to look out for us, are the ones tearing us apart. The currency does not have much value, inflation is on the high side, and the prices of things are triple the price it was at the beginning of the year.

The citizens speaking seems they are shouting into a void. It seems democracy has been used as a cover for either military rule or other forms of oppression that do not listen to the people.  Those in power want to keep fooling the people and continue ruling under the tag of democracy.

It's not easy to think positively with the current economy talk less about starting out on your own because there are certain opposing government policies and oppositions too.  What people do is adjust to the hardships.

People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

It seems like to do not understand what slavery or democracy really involves. Democracy does not necessarily correlate with having a government that is competent with economic policy. Maybe if you share the particular country that you are talking about, people could give more informed opinions - do you live in North Korea, Nigeria, Canada or somewhere else? I ask because the context matters a lot for the things you are discussing. The fact is most people don't like working minimum wage jobs but are also only willing to put the minimum amount of work into bettering their lifestyle. I would not consider minimum wage work to be anywhere near slavery because it's something you actually have the ability to change in a free society. Without context of the country, your words just sound like the ramblings of a madman.
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November 04, 2024, 02:29:51 PM
#9
Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

Yes, it is.

One tactical way that the government has successively used in causing modern day slavery is through poverty. They fail to do the needful, thereby leading people to hunger and suffering, which gives them more power to manipulate them. People who are hungry are very easy to convince, or should i say 'deceive'. This is why i don't get surprised when i come across certain replies on BTT that advices people to get more than one sustainable income.

From my observation, this problem is very common(both in developed and undeveloped countries). Corruption just seems to be a disease that always finds a way to affect every country. There is literally no single country that we can single out of being 100% fair and transparent. It just feels that corruption and government are two things that must work in hand, though some countries are far way worst than others.
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November 04, 2024, 02:08:44 PM
#8
Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
In my country, where democracy is practiced, political instability is not really a problem because there is not any conflict in the government, and every government serves out its term without any attempts to usurp it from other political parties or officials.

I think it is more of corrupt officials within the stables of power, bending the rule of democracy to their own benefits; this is why democracy feels to some, like modern-day slavery when it shouldn't.
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November 04, 2024, 01:27:37 PM
#7

Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?

I don't have to look elsewhere; my country is one example of having high inflation, slow progress and too many unemployment because of political instability, Once there is a new administration, they will ruin what the previous administration has done and they will resort to vengeance.
Election for the presidency is still three years away because our president has a one time six-year term but everyone's busy preparing for that election, That economy is not the main agenda of all the lawmaking bodies; political instability can weaken the economic stability of one's country that will create modern day slave out of its people.
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November 04, 2024, 12:34:34 PM
#6
Political instability could be a major reason for modern day slavery. Seeing those people who have been victims of human trafficking, or even forced labor, that only proves that there is nothing good brought into the community about this political instability. And worst is, while the big names in the government are gaining a lot of benefits from it, those poor individuals have even push into extreme poverty. This leads to economic instability, where rich people becomes richer, while the poor ones end up the poorest of them all.
It is first of all that our government should see what is the situation in our country. Then there is the lack of something else because nowadays most of the losses are due to poverty and poor workers and many people are slaves for the same reason. See, if the government thought of us, no one would be poor and slaves. Their aim is to make themselves kings, which will lead to poverty in every country. Many people even commit suicide due to this. The rich only cares about his own life. If he starts thinking about the poor, everyone will develop and no country and people will be poor. This thought was thought by the kings of the ancient people. In my opinion, it will be very difficult for this thing to end in every country because whoever the ruler has come has come to serve himself and not the people.
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November 04, 2024, 11:56:30 AM
#5
Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
Democracy is a camouflage used by the political leaders to conceal their the main system of ruling which they practice. Have you never wondered that the same rulers who ruled during the military system are still the same leaders in the democratic system. What do you expect from them? They cant change from that system because it is what they first practiced and hidden beneath their mind and soul the military spirit still resides in them. I have seen videos of people voting and at the end of the vote the military men are the ones who comes to take the ballot boxes. Which it is not how its supposed to be.
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November 04, 2024, 11:48:33 AM
#4
The major cause of modern crisis are the individual choices people have been making along history's course. Democracy allows people to choose their leaders, so if these leaders aren't performing as desired, why are people still voting and supporting them?

You can take any countries as example. People are constantly complaining about economical and social crisis, but at same time they defend politicians with enthusiasm, they idolize politicians.

Of course nothing will ever be fixed this way, because politicians feel safe to put in practice measures to benefit themselves, while neglecting the demands and needs of the population. There aren't negative consequences for them, so why would they change their actions?
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November 04, 2024, 11:09:51 AM
#3
People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are not even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.
This is very common in developed countries. If you have anyone in countries like Japan, South Korea, even the Western countries like United States, UK. Ask about how work is taking so much of their time.

The way this is linked to modern day slavery is what Questat explained. But also we need to blame ignorance and lack of education. But lack of education can indirectly be as a result of bad economy and bad governance.
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November 04, 2024, 10:55:28 AM
#2
Political instability could be a major reason for modern day slavery. Seeing those people who have been victims of human trafficking, or even forced labor, that only proves that there is nothing good brought into the community about this political instability. And worst is, while the big names in the government are gaining a lot of benefits from it, those poor individuals have even push into extreme poverty. This leads to economic instability, where rich people becomes richer, while the poor ones end up the poorest of them all.
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November 04, 2024, 10:44:47 AM
#1
Democracy, which is supposed to be government of the people, for the people, and by the people, is now the new way for modern slavery. The government of my country, under the pretense of democracy, are taking citizens through hell. The situation we are in is a situation of smiling in pain.

The government, which is supposed to look out for us, are the ones tearing us apart. The currency does not have much value, inflation is on the high side, and the prices of things are triple the price it was at the beginning of the year.

The citizens speaking seems they are shouting into a void. It seems democracy has been used as a cover for either military rule or other forms of oppression that do not listen to the people.  Those in power want to keep fooling the people and continue ruling under the tag of democracy.

It's not easy to think positively with the current economy talk less about starting out on your own because there are certain opposing government policies and oppositions too.  What people do is adjust to the hardships.

People start looking for side incomes, working three jobs at once, trying to make ends meet, always on the go to work, neglecting their health and neglecting their emotions. A lot of people are even emotionally unstable, but they can't talk about it because that's not what's on the ground. You have a family to feed, you have responsibilities to take care of.

Political instability is the major cause of current economic hardship. The government is stabbing us while hugging us. Do you think political instability is the major course or something else?
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