Topic: [Mods: NUKE 120 act] Commercial Spambots post and delete 1000s of posts per day (Read 1379 times)

Did you mean that one?  Its the only I got and have!

Maybe it brings something for you!

https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

No results, but I only have patrol-files downloaded for less than 24 hours.

Apart from Vod's site, I wouldn't know where else to look.

Try searching for this:

This is Cyrillic "a" so you can just copy what I wrote.
You can see what the hompgraph cheaters are doing now

PS is there a modlog history database?I used BPIP before but now there's nothing available.

It's deleted by now.

The thread title doesn't apply anymore since theymos' changes, but the spam still continues elsewhere, so a bump.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4437670.540 is a classic case of spam bumping to keep the thread up top.

Surely it will prevent farming, but to implement that is kind of difficult, isn't it? Anyway, I don't see it coming. Merits, for the moment, are helping on the ranking-up matter for those who don't deserve to rank-up, but each day some new boards become a spam-fest. Beginners&Help is almost all about bounties now, as well as so many others. Even here in Meta most of the new topics are about merits, rank-up, or scam persecution (necessary as hell, given the situation), but, I don't know, I think we need to come back to good discussions and to help the people interested in knowledge instead of some bucks from their airdrops.
Anyway, I don't see any action to be taken, at least for the moment, sadly.

If we're going to have a newbie jail with merit I believe it would be better to have a limit based on 'receive merit by x people' instead of just 'receive x merit'.

Possibly, but they can ask whatever they need in their "newcomers" board. Anyway, seems a great solution to the spam problem: Newbie jail (it can be in more than just one board) and 5 merits required to Jrs.
The point about having them in just one board is based on the willing of easing the work to mods and merit sources. From time to time you can find a great newbie making his/her best, so maybe the "newcomers" board can be a great place for merit sources to look for them.
Besides, as told before, it will ease the work of many other moderators. The Bitcoin Discussion board, as well as the Politics & Society, Marketplace or the Altcoin board,  are a mess. You just can't enjoy a good debate anymore in those ones, even if you try to start one soon will become a spam-fest.

Something needs to be done. The forum is decaying too fast.

I think putting that restriction only in Announcements (Altcoins), Tokens (Altcoins) and Bounties (Altcoins) should be enough, at least initially. There's no reason to restrict them from boards such as Technical Support, or Development and Technical Discussion.

Yes, exactly!
Yes, there could be exceptions for certain boards.

You can be 100% sure that there are automated spam/bump bots on the forum...
If you mean about the removing of the pumping power that if a newbie posts in a thread it won't jump on the top of the list (if it's sorted by latest post), this can be a solution.

Unfortunately, this would impact the 'normal' newbie accounts too, and they won't get help (or it will be real hard to ask for help) if they can't get the topic to the top of the list with an important question posted in the topic.
A kind of solution could be not to implement this feature on the beginner's board, to let newbies ask for help, but restrict newbies (even jr.members also) on the other boards from bumping...

Anyone here with more technical knowledge and insight that could be able to speculate as to whether those spamming efforts might be automated?
My feeling is that it might be a possibility. It seems to me like threads will shoot back up at the top as soon as they leave the front page and it feels like this is done in automation.

I know that there are limitation in place already like a time limit. But the time limit can't exactly help in posting not being automated... Currently those accounts are being created and start posting faster than the mods can purge them. When spam responses to each spam-promoted thread are shy of 500 per day it would be hard for a handful of humans to keep deleting accounts and moreover pointless if the spammers can utilize newly created accounts.

My suggestions for the simpler solutions I can come up with:
1. Remove pumping powers from new accounts.
2. Implement reCaptcha for each post to new accounts posting in frequently spammed sub-forums.

#1 Would no longer allow spammers to use new accounts for their effors. Anyone would be able to post anything but it wouldn't have any value in 'bumping'
#2 Would make it harder to automate posting. I can't be sure if anyone has managed to automate posting on bitcointalk but it would be a countermeasure for reassurance.

+1 for the newbie jail, but I think it won't come back (neither as a merit jail)
If the newbie jail would come back, it could raise the prices of the jr. accounts (with or without merits) so the 5 merit seems fine to escape the jail, because in this situation, the thousands of jr. member account without merits would become worthless...
In order to be able to handle the situation that this change can cause, the beginner's board (or any board which will be dedicate to let the newbies spam post there) should have more mods in the beginning and more merit sources. If we concentrate the newbies into one place, mods of the other boards will have less work, so they can help in the beginner section also.
Also, mods of the beginner board should give no mercy to those who copypaste or spam, because account farmers would still try to raise their activity in the beginning...
I know there's no solution that will be good for everyone, but something should be done, the sooner the better...

I agree with (mostly) all that has been said.
But, to be honest, from a couple of weeks I have begun to think that the best solution can be:
1.- Newbie's jail. Yes, I don't completely like it, but, given all the spams, newcomers, etc, I think this is the moment to implement that again. The forum is becoming a newbies-spam-fest and the place for "forever Juniors" because it is easy to create an infinite number of new accounts and just use the ctrl+C and ctrl+V buttons in your computer. If newbies can only post in one board, probably it will change it.
2.- 5 Merits to become Jr. Member. Why? When you become JR, under my proposal, you will be able to go out to the jail. If you have to earn 5 merits in order to do so, maybe the Jrs will have some quality. Just take a look at all those "forever juniors" we have in the forum: people with hundreds of posts and no merit...

Of course, it can make the merit farming and trade more "popular", but also easier to detect, for all the newbies will be in a jail, and the ones receiving non-deserving merits will be easier to discover.

This is just an opinion. I'm tired. I'm tired of just seeing how each day the newbies and Forever Juniors come and spam and spam the forum, endlessly.

I think in this jail, also we maybe will find some deserving merits newbies and ease the work to some concerned sources.

Look at this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4438289.3780

Filled with 'joined' posts by new accounts. Those posts make no sense and aren't serving as proof for any part of the campaign, they're clrearly using them as a distraction to keep bumping the thread. 190+ pages of spam in 5 days...

Edit: Another bounty that seems to be doing the same
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4418531.2480

Edit2:
Announcement thread that appears to be utilizing spam bumping

Lots of one liners from new accounts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3213051.2360

Anyone noticed this bot spam in Off Topic recently?



I think they're related to the Russian bump bot services. Probably farming accounts getting ready to use. Pretty easy to spot though giving the naming of them:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scott-spiegel-2161508     Scott Spiegel     May 28, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/robin-smith-2105501     Robin Smith     May 11, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kathryn-lentz-2107797 Kathryn Lentz May 12, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/marisa-summers-2162230     Marisa Summers     May 28, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mark-clem-2105481     Mark Clem May 11, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/albert-cornelius-2161478 Albert Cornelius     May 28, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/davis-vanbuskirk-2098397 Davis Vanbuskirk May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/noah-david-2162962     Noah David May 29, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/letitia-bolden-2125721     Letitia Bolden     May 16, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/barbara-pieper-2126601 Barbara Pieper May 16, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/william-jeffers-2108071     William Jeffers     May 12, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kayla-schmidt-2108082     Kayla Schmidt May 12, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/med-johnson-2158933     Med Johnson     May 27, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/madelyn-jackson-2098383 Madelyn Jackson May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rebecca-may-2098408     Rebecca May     May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alberto-del-rio-2107000     Alberto Del Rio May 11, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/peggy-almaraz-2105580 Peggy Almaraz     May 11, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loraine-stewart-2099190     Loraine Stewart May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/eileen-johnson-2107802     Eileen Johnson May 12, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ruby-erickson-2127951     Ruby Erickson May 17, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/edwin-king-2125759     Edwin King May 16, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lillian-keely-2151070     Lillian Keely May 24, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rebecca-may-2098408 Rebecca May     May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/carolyn-hendricks-2162161     Carolyn Hendricks May 28, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jordan-zane-2162949      Jordan Zane May 29, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/carolyn-roberts-2105387     Carolyn Roberts May 11, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/madelyn-jackson-2098383 Madelyn Jackson May 09, 2018,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lillie-bowman-2111229     Lillie Bowman May 13, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/angel-roldan-2098455     Angel Roldan May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/roger-jackson-2108102 Roger Jackson     May 12, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vanessa-gravel-2098869 Vanessa Gravel May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/russell-b-martin-2104456     Russell B Martin     May 11, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/simon-peterson-2098347     Simon Peterson May 09, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/christa-wrigley-2105076 Christa Wrigley     May 11, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karen-stearns-2100852 Karen Stearns May 10, 2018
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/james-singer-2151078     James Singer May 24, 2018

They're copy and pasting from the looks of it:

A few more:

URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3616790.660 : the first 10 posts are spam too, but they're not deleted.

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     8.      13                                                         insighted
     9.      13                                                         skiertalent
    10.      12                                                         rockstomaro
    11.      12                                                         exclusivetheborg
    12.      12                                                         bankumba
    13.      12                                                         Getrvinri
    14.      11                                                         ninjafunzippo
    15.      11                                                         actuallyactually
    16.      11                                                         parkensetc
    17.      11                                                         gameralemax
    18.      11                                                         algottec
    19.      11                                                         naybormann
    20.      11                                                         famousglace
    21.      11                                                         ledesysde
    22.      10                                                         chronospinwasabi
    23.      10                                                         Theborgylan
    24.      10                                                         logoswill
    25.      10                                                         buteolagi
    26.      10                                                         midlasc
    27.      10                                                         Fourbamade
    28.       9                                                         snoopdarkten
    29.       9                                                         mountainzero
    30.       9                                                         thebell
    31.       8                                                         Jewelliters

Let me list one here, I was about to report it but deleted the only post he had.
naybormann
proof

I think we need a report button on the profile page in case there are no posts. Otherwise I have to bother the mods with PMs or put it in the list.

edited:
one more
bilitech
proof
two more :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/laymiddten-2167876
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waigreenin-2167867

Updated

In this post in the Portuguese section, only Bot posts something. And they also post on other similar topics. No one writes the way they're writing, so it's clear they're using a translator. What, by the rules, is forbidden in the local sections.


Accounts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/trinnity-1735619

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/makaroon-1848676

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/27pavel27-1814810

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/newmedved-1983701

I made a new list of accounts to nuke. The "strike through" lines are from accounts that don't instantly delete their posts. My counter at the start of each line is off by 2 posts (sorry).

URL: [ANN] [BOUNTY] SUCHAPP 5G Instant Messaging Bounty Program

   -13.    1000                                                         Warfare
   -12.     997                                                         Fenderr
   -11.     500                                                         kmil91712
   -10.     500                                                         ethmylovee
    -9.     500                                                         caracso5831malabanan
    -8.     500                                                         chainguru12
    -7.     500                                                         riboku0105
    -6.     500                                                         icomarketing
    -5.     500                                                         Cryptonatureben
    -4.     500                                                         joletartare
    -3.     500                                                         icocheck
    -2.     500                                                         kriskarthik
Nuke please:
    -1.      29                                                         Diagonalig
     0.      28                                                         howareic
     1.      27                                                         anxield
     2.      26                                                         campyrone
     3.      24                                                         inlovestra
     4.      24                                                         happism
     5.      24                                                         taryradiant
     6.      23                                                         Dailiesas
     7.      23                                                         groupplield
     8.      23                                                         rozentral
     9.      23                                                         foxbridio
    10.      23                                                         regearna
    11.      22                                                         bilitech
    12.      22                                                         wundervewo
    13.      21                                                         wayzgigro
    14.      21                                                         HanChilledXx
    15.      21                                                         glamourpeach
    16.      21                                                         greytriale
    17.      21                                                         nayborrun
    18.      21                                                         fiftera
    19.      21                                                         heavenvital
    20.      20                                                         runningeryl
    21.      20                                                         shmoeraventinny
    22.      20                                                         wetlakhoura
    23.      20                                                         midrota
    24.      20                                                         kingkiddo
    25.      20                                                         antatech
    26.      19                                                         Dataland
    27.      19                                                         heligale
    28.      19                                                         sacetron
    29.       1                                                         Godsinocool

Thanks Mods for banning those bots! Interesting enough, without the bump bots there hasn't been any new post in that thread for 6 days.

I won't manually check my other list, most of the accounts have been banned, if some got away I'll catch them in their next run.

Banning them is the motivation I needed to continue my hunt, so prepare for more lists to nuke

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I noticed 🔥[ANN][ICO] Seal - The Currency of Authenticity 💖 still fills with Brand new spammers, but they don't instantly delete their posts now. I wouldn't be surprised if the spambots adjusted the delay between posts in that thread.

Maybe but I believe that captcha would be better when posting a comment AND deleting. Why?

-Well lower ranks need to wait a few minutes to post, therefore one captcha every 5 minutes isn't such a big deal for someone who's not spamming.

- How often do you delete posts? Let's say once a day and even if it's 2-3 times a day, quick captcha wouldn't be such a big hassle.

So with captchas on posting & deleting should slow down spamming significantly.

Well c'mon, do it. Many people will support your application, including me.
The forum can only benefit from this.

Creating new accounts requires a captcha, and nuking accounts increases the evil score for the IP addresses used.

It would be ideal if a ban-bot takes care of this, but until then, all I can do is report them.

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I am this close to open a make-me-Mod-thread here, so I can have my own ban-button.

It's not up to vote (it has been tried). I won't open such a thread.

So if I understand correctly, these are basically bots and are not posting manually? Right?

Nuking won't help much because you will have to nuke them manually, but understand that they post automatically based on a certain script, so the rate of creation of such accounts can be much easier than nuking of these account.

Is the new forum software equipped well enough to face these spam challenges?

Here is one from me,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ledgergyny-2097953

I did't have the time to quote it because it got deleted.


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Googleing this quote I got quite a few hits, well already deleted but..

I have suggestion to add the additional post count to the profile /including the deleted posts/ so those are easily spotted. It could be toggled same as the current post count.
What you think?

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Extra material for report, see this guy > https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fobscoin-1990736
bumping his Ann, answering all the bots. I think the whole ANN has to be trashed. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3289353.340

I use the edit button a lot (for legit reasons). Especially when I open a thread by myself, I want to be able to update the first post (and that can be months later).
I'd be okay to disable this feature for the lower ranks. If Copper members are excepted, I'd be okay to disable it for all ranks, and pay for Copper membership. But I don't think taking away functionality from legit users is a solution.

I would go for something similar, like switching totally off the possibility of deleting/editing a post (and not after an hour, but totally), no delete/edit for a week from now, and that would clearly show who are the bumping users and how they do this bumping service.
It won't hurt really nobody except the bumper spammers (and it won't need much coding)
Someone who has a really good reason to delete a post, can ask for it in the Meta (or report itself to a moderator)...

Bump for moderator attention

The bumpdeletespam still continuous, and will probably keep going as long as they earn from doing so. I'd like to see all involved accounts banned, but I'll need someone with the nuke power to help me.

That's probably better. My initial assumption was it takes them longer to rank up their bots, but indeed, requiring at least a Member account to bump a thread stops the spam-to-rank-up before the bots even start it.

Useless trivial posts to bump and fill a thread are also part of the "service" offered by paid spammers ("1 ETH (0.08 BTC) for 400 posts"), but catching them requires manually checking the posts. I'm not sure how often they use the same phrase, and patrol doesn't show Jr. Members' posts, so it's much harder to automate checking.

Agreed. Let's hope Admins can implement this, I don't know if this requires a lot of work.

Yeah this is what I was thinking too.
When it comes to collect merit the bots will die.

The copper membership can have the privilege to bump a thread, also only Copper members can start an Ann thread /and members above Jr. of course/.

This is a good idea but I think that you should bump it up to Jr. Members as well. With the screenshot I posted below you will see on this two threads I saw that Jr. Members are also part of this bumping service as well. Including the Jr. Members as well will help us shut down this kind of services more effectively.

Proof # 1

Proof # 2

Proof # 3

Someone is going to have to make the thread for you then

I know the current staff work hard but they are simply overworked with the constant spam. Looks to me that you got enough endorsements already. I don't really care who becomes the moderator but I think it's obvious that someone needs to be appointed.

Thanks for the endorsements
It's been suggested by others too. The only open Mod-position that I've seen, was for Politics and Society, which is a board I'm not really interested in.
But I don't think being a Mod is a position to ask for, so I'll just drop subtle hints that I wouldn't mind having a nuke button

My 4 lists of spammers are still not nuked. I'm not going to report their posts, some don't even have posts.

This might be a good decision. We do need more patrollers to take care of the newbie spammers problem.
We could even do this for a month, on a trial basis.

I wouldn't mind having my own nuke button indeed

Can't Loyce just be made a mod already? It's obvious to me that they know their stuff and are making the biggest effort out of anyone else on the forum to deal with spam in the altcoin sub forum.

Excluding existing mods of course.

Yeah that's what I mean. They probably wouldn't notice for at least a while, and any way to inconvenience them would be great.

✔

I've tested 3 more threads. During the time it took me to download the last page 500 times, some real posts were added too. I'll have to adjust my script for that, for now I'll manually mark those.
Please nuke all accounts that I didn't strike through.

[ANN]🔥LIVE ICO🔥🔥ALL-STOCKS🔥🔥GLOBAL STOCK MARKETS REVOLUTION
    -1.     500                                                         ishinn99
     0.     499                                                         Theizestooke
     1.     330                                                         iputnikov
     2.     266                                                         Coinsher
     3.     113                                                         cryptoworld9x
     4.      81                                                         sworeler This account had one post that didn't get deleted, I think the bot must have failed on this. It was downloaded more times than the post below (which is above it on the page), so this account must have had deleted posts too
     5.      60                                                         IpPrograff
     6.      23                                                         aquestar
     7.      22                                                         sionyxia
     8.      22                                                         Hyneutli
     9.      22                                                         Diagonalig
    10.      22                                                         cincodendon
    11.      21                                                         vanderulat
    12.      21                                                         gentelix
    13.      21                                                         Dolledrage
    14.      20                                                         foxbridio
    15.      20                                                         yacketta
    16.      20                                                         gooblesswo
    17.      20                                                         scalinala
    18.      20                                                         gendleri
    19.      19                                                         PierceWacky
    20.      19                                                         nathsuave
    21.      19                                                         pirafinal
    22.      19                                                         lillinkto
    23.      19                                                         Racererwe
    24.      19                                                         frizerag
    25.      19                                                         regearna
    26.      19                                                         cetarphi
    27.      19                                                         speghead
    28.      18                                                         dreamerrinz
    29.      18                                                         Solomonis
    30.      18                                                         hinchfunkysun
    31.      18                                                         tosilved
    32.      18                                                         ledgergyny
    33.      18                                                         latestthe
    34.      17                                                         multrapto
    35.      17                                                         PeatearLex
    36.      17                                                         dollsleekspecials
    37.      16                                                         flirtyann
    38.      16                                                         ipaxerks
    39.      16                                                         bullkenji

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🔥[ANN][ICO] Seal - The Currency of Authenticity 💖
     0.     500                                                         aymentr
     1.     196                                                         VERONEUM
     2.      76                                                         transwe
     3.      53                                                         deskupfor
     4.      28                                                         HelloWow
     5.      26                                                         hirotelynn
     6.      24                                                         Movieldosol
     7.      23                                                         dreamydubya
     8.      22                                                         Editory
     9.      22                                                         AngelsFlashy
    10.      22                                                         ginoplace
    11.      21                                                         ghoulsellel
    12.      21                                                         rocketeren
    13.      21                                                         bleakerse
    14.      21                                                         louforb
    15.      20                                                         deanapolbl
    16.      20                                                         Longist
    17.      20                                                         peateartsie
    18.      20                                                         educorpha
    19.      20                                                         megacuddly
    20.      20                                                         Avermxen
    21.      19                                                         jestlent
    22.      19                                                         Dormurtv
    23.      19                                                         santasafi
    24.      19                                                         wssummers
    25.      19                                                         myherousie
    26.      18                                                         simoniquard
    27.      18                                                         linksuper
    28.      18                                                         spunkymedia
    29.      18                                                         nanocynie
    30.      18                                                         marcsyshaus
    31.      18                                                         muftizo
    32.      18                                                         readynali
    33.      18                                                         Darichowor
    34.      16                                                         tabloidlover
    35.      15                                                         talenterce
    36.      13                                                         dragonletter

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   -12.     999                                                         jhon20
   -11.     502                                                         Lhor911
   -10.     500                                                         HelixVin
    -9.     500                                                         aioservices18
    -8.     500                                                         Thanghg
    -7.     500                                                         sasor11
    -6.     500                                                         djonkar
    -5.     500                                                         ALMONDS
    -4.     500                                                         kaikai18
    -3.     500                                                         Ruffian14
    -2.     500                                                         lhea056
    -1.     500                                                         Hakamoto
     0.     500                                                         jercess18
     1.     176                                                         Petehr
     2.      70                                                         logothellot
     3.      24                                                         hiverselog
     4.      24                                                         wakeboardtiger
     5.      24                                                         writinginformation
     6.      23                                                         nonfehanl
     7.      22                                                         weblograsp
     8.      22                                                         citailer
     9.      21                                                         deluxenora
    10.      21                                                         narrative
    11.      21                                                         boberstay
    12.      21                                                         misssummary
    13.      21                                                         Roachawbu
    14.      21                                                         landslayergot
    15.      21                                                         helppostmatter
    16.      20                                                         seettere
    17.      20                                                         wordenergytop
    18.      20                                                         helpfulomaha
    19.      20                                                         strongtoma
    20.      20                                                         primellhe
    21.      20                                                         hugiadrietus
    22.      19                                                         thebestskunky
    23.      19                                                         halfmeit
    24.      19                                                         serenedictator
    25.      19                                                         troptras
    26.      18                                                         Wannallom
    27.      18                                                         hempactive
    28.      18                                                         SkunkyChilled
    29.      18                                                         mowerworldshat
    30.      18                                                         soccerfairy
    31.      18                                                         maxshcamtaru
    32.      18                                                         parchulin
    33.      18                                                         crunchnine
    34.      17                                                         kosivera
    35.      17                                                         FallenLegend
    36.      17                                                         unbeamax
    37.      16                                                         Ghouligovin

I think he is referring to MindlessElectron

A shadow ban works only on the account you use, the spammer who has 35 accounts in his bot is unlikely to read the forum from any one of those accounts. Unless you mean their current bots won't get a banned-error and don't realize they need to switch to the next batch of accounts > that would work!

I love it! It won't stop bots, but it will teach humans how to behave on the forum.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bump-bot-automatically-bumps-your-topic-to-keep-it-on-top-1389668


This bot is designed to post bumps, with a time interval (24 hour rules), and it even deletes it's last bump..

I read about this bot a long time ago, at the time it seemed to me to abide by forum rules for bumping and was a pretty cool idea.


So all your code of this is probably there in this bot, just change it a little bit to delete differently and post at a different interval, scale it up a bit, and you have what we see here with this new bumping scheme..

Here are a couple more search results..
https://github.com/achow101/BctalkBumpBot
https://github.com/buxlover/autobump


Nuking all the bump bot accounts may result in collecting a lot more evil fees..


I think you will have to take away the abilities of new accounts to make so many deletes to really stop it, until they find their next loophole..

Once again I'll say I'd like to find a way to make the companies themselves take the heat for it but their may not be a realistic way..

I've been thinking that something like a shadow ban could be useful in these situations , and a few others. It seems most of these bots are using the same phrases without even changing a character. They've been doing this for a few days now. I'm sure mitchell could hook up his bot to automatically flag these phrases or report them automatically so there's a little bit of human interpretation to avoid any issues. Then if they feel the account is guilty of posting, and then deleting it's responses in hopes of bumping the topic it could get shadow banned.

Meaning they would see it as if they were posting their message, and deleting it. But, in reality no one else sees it. They are obviously running automated systems so probably wouldn't even realize. Even, if they did it would only take a little manual observation to determine their new sets of phrases, and add them to Mitchells bot.

I've noticed the example above posted by the exact same person for a few days now. "lastlinger". In fact just posted once again. I think this confirms that there aren't to many newly registered accounts doing this, and they are simply reusing their current accounts. Banning these members would likely result in them registering a new account, and starting over. Although, shadow banning could make it more difficult for them to tell.


This wouldn't really help the situation that the OP is about though. As they aren't waiting for a hour to pass, and are simply just deleting them after a few seconds have passed.

Jr Members should be added to this also, as the requirement is only activity, they will just create a thousand more accounts, post garbage to level up and add more accounts to their army of bumpers.
I know it might sounds harsh,but it does not affect the user at all, they still get to share their "opinion"  


I think this should be enforced for everybody on this forum.
Lots of hacked accounts are deleting their history, shills are deleting proofs after the scam ICO has finished and many more....
I'm active on another forum where you can't edit your posts after 1 hour nor can you delete them, and it's pretty funny  especially in the politics section to look at the users history and then rub it in their face   .


I would love a captcha that would make them read the rules on the forum, like typing the second word, the last character or the first of a random rule around here.  

But...whatever it is, something must be done!

Don't forget the legit bumps, that can only happen once every 24 hours, and requires deletion of the old bump. I have a few threads that I bump once in a while.

Meanwhile, working on the next thread Each thread (after testing 4 of them) uses 35 Newbie accounts for bumpspam. That makes it quite obvious the same person is behind all of it.

Even deleting 1 post per day seems like abnormal behavior, so auto-nuking any newbie and, perhaps, Jr. Member, that deletes more than 2 posts in 24 hours should stop this scheme with near-zero impact on everyone else.

This rule probably shouldn't be applied to higher ranks, though, as there are legitimate reasons why someone might want to delete many of their posts all at once (e.g. - participating in a thread that turns nasty).

Judging by my data collection, "x" for #2 could be much higher too. I estimate at least 10 posts per hour per account, that makes hundreds of deleted posts per day per account.

Credits for the discovery aren't mine, but thanks

So the bumping service posts to a thread then deletes the post over and over again to keep a thread on top? That is both ingenious and downright evil. While I am relatively new on bct, I have been using forums since they were called BBSes and I feel that #2, 3 & 4 would be effective without requiring much work on the part of admins/mods. Suggestion #5 would be interesting for statistical purposes but for enforcement would require active searching by mods/admins, so less desirable.

At any rate, I like that you identified a new form of spamming AND came up with potential solutions, so I gave you a merit even though it was analogous to spitting over the railing at Niagara Falls. 

The deletelog.php does look like an interesting idea. While those accounts which have been detected are newbies, it won't take long for the person behind these accounts to farm them up to junior member rank. If at all any restrictions are imposed, they should cover junior members as well.

Test
I've downloaded the last page of [ANN][DEX-ICO] 🔥🔥CrypTollBooth - New Wallet with Exchange Connected [ICO!] 🔥🔥💰💰 302 times, with x seconds interval (x: I'm not going to post my timing information for spammers to read).

The following list shows how many of the downloaded pages contain posts from that account. The first 4 are real posts that haven't been deleted (they are in all downloaded pages), the 36 accounts after that are bumpbots (they post and delete their spam). There is a very small chance on of them was a user who really posted something and deleted it again, but that's very unlikely.

Mods: am I trusted enough for you to nuke those accounts if I provide lists like this, without further evidence? If so, I'll process other threads too.
I'm curious to see how quickly the next batch of bots starts spamming after these are nuked.
If bumpbots can be nuked fast enough, the spammers' business model becomes worthless. That leaves them spamming without deleting posts though, but that's something for another topic.

   -3.     302                                                         kalehon
    -2.     302                                                         uripit
    -1.     302                                                         thinkme1st
     0.     302                                                         kunis0727
     1.      67                                                         RadiantSanta banned!
     2.      41                                                         zargasadoralanim banned!
     3.      15                                                         bornprime banned!
     4.      15                                                         nozyfeature banned!
     5.      15                                                         cutieldexam banned!
     6.      14                                                         digynynerg banned!
     7.      13                                                         Shapedebo banned!
     8.      13                                                         Triateeye banned!
     9.      13                                                         lastinger banned!
    10.      13                                                         Landganm banned!
    11.      13                                                         gamestard banned!
    12.      13                                                         sexyboot banned!
    13.      13                                                         Hydraterg banned!
    14.      13                                                         2hotneilcookie banned!
    15.      13                                                         realistion banned!
    16.      13                                                         manathadorasida banned!
    17.      13                                                         maveradcordalak banned!
    18.      12                                                         InformationChirp banned!
    19.      12                                                         inovisitu banned!
    20.      12                                                         backedia banned!
    21.      12                                                         burenicti banned!
    22.      12                                                         shardbauer banned!
    23.      12                                                         readystania banned!
    24.      11                                                         tmanaperer not banned (yet?)
    25.      11                                                         Tactacio not banned (yet?)
    26.      11                                                         rosexglossy banned!
    27.      11                                                         mundeplot banned!
    28.      11                                                         Nearlyneco banned!
    29.      11                                                         Grundycomm banned!
    30.      10                                                         soccerree banned!
    31.      10                                                         demonjame banned!
    32.      10                                                         datagest banned!
    33.      10                                                         sicleaged banned!
    34.      10                                                         ballitingle banned!
    35.       9                                                         nanotlist banned!
   36.       2                                                         Demirung
Ignore the last one:
The last one looks like a forum bug: in about 1% of my downloads, the last post on page 5 (post #100) ends up as the first post on page 6 (post #101).

How? It would probably only be possible if we set up some honeypots to catch them in the act but no doubt a lot of these services require payment first as well. I've asked a couple of ICOs who've been caught using them who or what companies they are using and they either never respond or give vague answers. One just gave me a link to a person's linkedin where he claimed he was contacted about their bumping services so not really that helpful.  


I've suggested disallowing lower ranks unless they purchase a copper membership. Not sure theymos wants to be this restrictive though.

That's not something they discuss out in the open, and thus impossible for me to find.

Why don't you check out who is paying "them" to do the bumping?
If "they" aren't one in the same person(s) you'd expect to be paying for the bumps in the first place.. 

If the captcha is only shown to delete posts, most Newbies will never even see it. Even the spammers won't be bothered by it, but it can end this paid bumping.

I'll try to scrape a list of involved accounts to be nuked.

Or just limit newbies to all but alternative cryptocurrencies section. If suppose they want to post there, buy a copper membership. There is one disadvantage to this, copper membership is relatively cheaper than what the people doing this are making. They would spend the money on this, so probably increase the membership fee or something like that.

Maybe but they have to wait a few minutes to post and typing captcha every few minutes shouldn't be that hard. At least that "check the box" captcha. Also, they'd quite quickly move on to the higher rank that would not require captcha, so this one can work quite well.

I think you would rather want to punish the individual as opposed to the thread itself. The reason being, this could be abused when involving project/website competition, leading to people trying to spam post/delete on threads to shut them down.

IMO, the first option (preventing newbies from bumping the thread) would be best. It should still mark it as unread (similar to when someone edits a post in a thread but it's not bumped) so that discussions can be had.

Yes this is happening for a very long time. I have monitored some newbie accounts. Activity keep changing and it's never the same as the post counts.
They are always registered from two weeks to a month ago even if they are brand new.

This will be a good solution to have a longer cool down but I guess they gonna use more bots with longer post intervals.

How about this. If a thread has x number of deleted posts, then change the post sequence to latest first.

Also, noticed this. I remember this was happening in the marketplace too. Perhaps another solution would be to increase the cool down for a newbie to delete a post. Something which is separate to the cool down to post. Would give time to identify if they are abusing the deletion button without hindering them completely.


Good idea, and doesn't hurt the users posting directly. Without disallowing newbies completely.

Probably unnecessary.

Would hinder legitmate usage of deleting posts.

Could work. Would probably be a pain in the arse for legitimate users.

I'll add nuke-requests to new posts in this thread, 140 accounts are waiting to be nuked!


Earlier today I posted about paid Bump Bots in another thread:

This is a whole new level of spamming

To see this in action:
Go to Tokens (Altcoins), click one of the top-threads, go to the last post on the last page, and reload the page a few times.
Random Newbie accounts posts some generic BS, delete it so they don't get banned, then do it again.

I can think of several solutions:
1. Ignore Newbies when sorting on "Last post" date. This way, Newbies can't bump threads anymore. Update, as discussed here, it's probably better to exclude Jr. Members too.
2. Nuke all Newbies who have deleted more than x (say x=2, make it x=5 if they  have more than 14 posts) of their own posts.
3. Take away the possibilities for Newbies to delete their posts.
4. Require a captcha for Newbies for either posting and/or deleting a post.
5. Create "deletelog.php", similar to https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php but for all posts deleted by Newbies (this would be a first step to hunt them down, not a solution to the problem).

I would love to post a long list of Newbie accounts involved, but it's too much work to hunt them down manually. I think this requires some Admin magic to end it.

The result in screenshots (the first post is the same in all screenshots, the last post changes all the time):

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