Topic: MoneyPot & Investors (Read 2718 times)

I believe that your only key here is to have a large investment in the bank roll. I would try this with a couple of different sides with some smaller Investments and it just kind of bounces all around the original investment number little bit up little bit down looks like that over a period of time there would be a gradual rise but if you're going to get any real money out of it, you're going to have to put real money into it.

All this sites most of the times end up being ponzi sites, when dealing with them you should be very care full so not to lose no matter it's and investment site in a way.

Wrong! Moneypot is trying to manipulate the community!

how can I sink Moneypot? only Moneypot can sink Moneypot!


are you trying to sink Moneypot with your correct and straight forward statement? NO

Monbeypot will sink themselves if not listening to their Investors and Players

I know that JackpotRacer is mainly trying to manipulate the community and sink MoneyPot.

But he's right in some points like RBIES and investor distribution structure. I have nearly 4BTC in other site's bankrolls and I'm always looking to expand my investments. BUT from all casino bankroll investment programs, Moneypot is the only one with -EV for now! Expect scams, of course.

Moneypot, you should change something radically.

4) Regarding the alts, I agreed with you at a certain level, but truthfully I can not speak on behalf of the others.

Myself and DodgeDigital are the only with any access to our servers. Additionally ever single query is logged in our cloud environment. I can provide proof of this. If any of us were to cheat, we would know.

5) The team is under a lot of stress and sometimes we have reached our wits end. We are only human, and again, please take my efforts to resolve our conflicts serious. Its the best for both of us.

6) Im not sure who declined any help. There has been specific times that I have directly interacted with some notable members in this community.

In the case of NotTardy, we didn't find any of their play to be irregular. Everything that we looked into checked out. We spent countless hours researching, communicating as a team, and attempting to identify and adverse actions.

Regardless of how much he/she deposited the idea of your site was to win a jackpot and they did so.  It would be no different from me buying a $5 lottery ticket and winning 20m. The user did go on to play at Yahoo's site and only after did I discover that the client seed length was not having a proper impact on the roll generation. This did not mean that their rolls were invalid, if anything it would be working against them as it would not be provably fair in his favor.

We actually would provide information if a cheat was found. While we would not disclose the exact details for legal reasons, we would have a duty to let our investors know.

thank you for the very straight forward answer without any stupid attacks  (that doesnt help at all anyway)

point 4) there is no reason for any additional alts for you as head dev or for the MP owners. it should be clear for all players and Investors who is who to follow them and their actions. for example if you would have one nick like "Head Dev" or Ranlo would have simple nick = "Ranlo" or Dogedigital would have simple nick = "Dogedigital" or Rango would have simple nick like "Rango" this I would call transparent.

lets take Rango as a bad example. he has many nicks and the nick " Blacksheep was very long hidden from all. he is a sick gambler and also bought apps and partnership and the app owners didnt know who he is. this STINKS! he also had server seeds access at given times.

that you stopped gambling for 8 month now is very positive and I am glad to hear this. (taking my hat off)  MP owners or any casino owner and devs shouldnt gamble and I am still staying to my statement.

point 5) MP owners till today are not accepting any criticism and even behaving like Dictators and the worst Dictator is AcoinL aka Rango aka Blacksheep aka MattN aka............... and sadly Dogedigiatl followed him. at least AcoinL got very quiet lastly

point 6) I talk about investigations MP owners announced here on BCT and even asked all for help and info and when someone want to help they declined it 
especially an important investigation like "NotTardy" and some more big winners. Investors should have the right to get better transparency. MP will never publish any cheat if their investigation was "positiv" and please dont try to convince me on the contrary.

"suicide" it was meant business wise. I understand your point because I was also in the army and was active in more than one war ( all know about my age cause I dont hide it). I hate war and Dictator ship and I am sure you will understand this. I learned to defend myself, family and comrades so I understand your point

please let me mention again that we at Jackpotracer always pointed out that MP business model is one of the best ideas but sadly it was sold to the wrong people

btw let me ask another question. how did the buckets idea work out? as far as I can see only one or 2 app owners are using it. and no faucet was imo a bad decision. how many apps have a bucket faucet?

best of luck

I am alive and well. I haven't been as active on the forefront as contrary to your beliefs, I have been highly active on the back-end of our applications.
Ill try to address your points to the best of my ability since my role focuses on development and not the business side of things:

1) MoneyPot strives to be as transparent as possible with investors. But like any business, some information is confidential.

2) I cannot comment on this as it is something that you would need to discuss with DogeDigital. There are many factors involved with this but I will say that I know that a plan is in the works.

3) MoneyPot has been extremely respectful to players and investors alike. On an extreme basis, such as yours, there have been times where the frustrations have gotten the best of people. We are only human. Please take into consideration that I am doing my best to resolve our differences at this time. I am being "respectful."

4) I can agree with you to a certain extent with this. However owners have always been transparent with their alts and there are cases when multiple alts are needed. I for one have two. I use one mainly for testing apps and another for testing against the upcoming production environments. Other owners may use an alt for "lurking" in chats. I cannot speak directly for them, but I have always been transparent.

My alts are Pumpkinspice and CCTestAccount. There was a time that I did gamble on MoneyPot. At the time, our majority investors were okay with it (still are) and the cost per coin was considerably less than it is today. I haven't gamble on MoneyPot or in reality, any casino, in over ~8 months.

5) We openly accept constructive criticism. There has been several occasions that I personally have admitted that I have could have done things better or admitted my wrong doings.

6) Since bitcoin and our services are largely "anonymous" and we have the responsibility to safe guard our users data, we are limited to what we can and cannot disclose. We have always been transparent on our investigations and always note of the outcome, however, transparency does not involve disclosing pivotal information about an investigation or player. This is to protect ourselves and the player in the event of any legal action.

I will tell you that every single MoneyPot account is tested against an in-house designed algorithm that attempts to score an accounts trust/threat level. Because this algorithm is proprietary, I will not discuss the details.

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Suicide is a serious matter and using it in jokes or slander is childish. I served in the military, and have personally lost friends who have committed suicide.

i think its no pain, no gain. people is attracted in investment because of the profit and they deposit some money and then they are hope for getting profit in some period of time. but what they found is many of the investment is scam but some of them is true and they really make money. if somehow they can really make money, then i think they are lucky in investment and they can continue for next investment.

nice to see you are still alive and caring about Moneypot

What I want? I would like to see actually nothing special but
- that Moneypot will be transparent towards Investors and Players
- that Moneypot will keep promises and compensating Investors as promised and not "Soon" (means never or in in a few years in
  case MP is still up and running)
- respect Investors and Players
- all Moneypot owners should only have 1 nick name and published so it will be transparent ( not like Rango, aka MattN, aka
  Blacksheep etc
- accepting critiques because critiques good or bad is always healthy
- publish any high winner investigation and outcome

I know and I am aware that the MP owners can do what they want because it is their business and their money they even can commit suicide


there will never be a guarantee for Profit but if all goes clean and without a cheat there is no better investment than in a casino Bank Roll! and only a question of time

I agree with you that with Moneypot it is very strange that the MP owners make money and no one else and they really dont care about Investors and Players and even accepting Rain from Players (what a shame)


Exactly! but then again the Owners need to be honest and not trying to cheat

When was investment a guarantee profit? No matter what investment you make, whether in the real life or in btc world, there is risk. It is just that the risk here is bigger but at the same time the reward is also bigger. In my country, i can only find investment vehicles with around 5% of dividend, profit etc. I also have invest in many other btc sites and you will be surprised that no all are making money. And even those who has shown profits consistently, if you invest at the wrong time, you will also loss. The key is just to wait it out and profit will come.

What you say is one of the worse thing you can assume in any investment. There is no such thing as "guaranteed profits" that would be stupid. There is always a risk involved in every investment. Which means there is a chance you could lose money or earn some. The higher the risk, the higher the chances of profiting. Nothing guaranteed.

Moneypot is surely a mysterious site even i have invested some bitcoins on it and after 5 months i still see I'm in loss which i didn't understand why as in past after 4 months my investment was a guarantee profit but now in moneypot it seemed impossible. It's better if you don't invest in moneypot as they make lot of profits but never really share with us

What do you want? What is the point for all of this? It has been going on months and months. Lets put an end to it mutually and work a way to go forward.

finally another investor is posting his straight forward opinion. thank you for that!

IMO you will get soon a PM from Dogedigital

I agree that Moneypot was and is a great business idea but it looks it is in the wrong hands (sadly)

The fire does not seem to go away even after so many months. Anyway i used to be a Moneypot investors. Have been there even before the takeover. In justice, Moneypot has been doing extremely well for the start. I never see any casino able to double my investment and Moneypot did that within a year. It was so successful that i remember the bankroll hit a record high of 1.2k BTC investment. However, things just go down from there. When i realise that there is no profit and then suddenly there is a huge payout, i still think it is normal. However, I am not convince when the huge payout happens one after another one. I am totally not good in finding out what happen but it is the same answers that is repeated over and over again that i start to smell things are not right that i withdraw. My 200% profit drop to 140% before i withdraw all. I invest in betking before spreading out to cryto and i did not regret at all.

clap clap clap Mike Mayor for not giving in to MP's Dictator ship behavior

that is exactly what Moneypot/Dictator ship is doing! they always PM the users who are posting something negative about MP to convince him to delete his posting. therefore Dogedigital is not quoting when he is answering because he thinks he is smart but he is not because he shows that he tries to cheat and manipulate other users.

he quoted you now because after the PM and your posting he knows you will not delete it

just check how long AcoinL aka Rango aka ......... aka ...... or Laremar aka Ranlo or CrazyCraig didnt answer for MP? I need to ask if they are still partner or Dogedigital is sole owner now?

I PM a lot of people to try and straighten facts and answer their questions.  I can't remember if I PM'd you, but it's definitely possible.

While the investment section isn't as high as we'd like, overall, Moneypot has made money on whole.  No disrespect intended whatsoever to Bustabit, but if they had investors and charged 25% of house edge (MP gave away 50%), investors would have lost there too (and I think Ryan is as straight as they come).

Not once did we send a withdrawal to a wrong address.  Our system is automated.  Can you point me in the direction of the person making that claim?

Lol I got a pm from moneypot for telling the truth that they suck and lost money for investors. Bow the hell do you lose money running a casino ? Rather funny how they rather pm you instead of fixing the problem. The idiot actually told me I was posting just to increase my post count. Ya .... Sure..... Let's go with that shall we.

Moneypot never made sense the investment constantly lost money. I withdrew long ago just to watch it all burn at it did. Also I know some people have had wierdoes things happen like withdrawing but it went to another address not there's. Hacker ? Who knows ?

I know that that has not happened elsewhere so. Man if you can't take flak get out of the game.

your lies have short legs and you are welcome to delete more of my postings because they all come back like a boomerang

but as you dont read all my postings I copy an important part in here cause you are proud to mention eeeth

my posting
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20152369

and there is written and for the poster @enquirer and his question to add from my side regarding eeeth

 a trusted user posted and then deleted. but why did he post this? to delete it?  he was warning you long ago and you guys as always didnt listen to him

"............................................................................... .................
That said, I'd give MoneyPot a bit of slack. Just looking at http://eeeth.com/mpstats/ there clearly seems to be something wrong, I wouldn't blame them for being on a heightened state of alert (which is a good thing, as they need to safe guard investors money). "

These are the games you play that I am talking about.

The statistics are fine.  We don't hide the statistics and we encourage those interested to visit eeeth.com/mpstats to see a more detailed graph.

I deleted YOUR posts when they include attacks and don't add to the conversation.  We have never deleted anyone else's despite you trying to lead people to believe otherwise.

The problem is quite clearly the bolded part which you intentionally created to start FUD.

I just explained to the poster where he can see the info he is looking for and you are shouting "lies" LEL the stats are telling us all and I ask you again what are you trying to hide from Investors?

and is it a lie that you are deleting many postings? check your delete stats

start to be TRANSPARENT and start to full fill your promises

Stop with the lies and misinformation JPR.

We have only deleted YOUR posts and only ones that are full of misinformation or lies.

How would you see if it is rigged?  What are you even talking about?  People are more than welcome to look into players if they want.  The bets can be looked up by moneypot.com/bets/insertbet#here and players can be looked up by moneypot.com/users/insertusernamehere

Stop trying to attack us.  MOVE ON.

it looks like this right now

Bankroll:    330,009,111 bits
Wagered: 99,003,293,296 bits
Investor Profit:    -91,198,060 bits
Bets:  1,170,957,716

and you can see it here
https://www.moneypot.com

Congrats to an old customer of ours @jseonline

how would you see if it is rigged?

edit
please check this thread in case you can tell us if it is rigged and how! ( Moneypot owners are deleting many posts they dont like)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-is-moneypot-trying-to-hide-from-their-investors-1994708

Where can we see Moneypot stats, like bets/wagered/profits over time? This is required to judge whether the game is rigged against investors or not.

Technically, even not investing in things is risky. You DEPOSIT money to a bank and you're trusting the FDIC to pay out if it tanks. Which means you're relying on the govt. Look at Greece, Mexico, Zimbabwe (insert other countries whose systems have failed in the past here). If you're holding fiat, like USD, it's the same thing. People usually overlook that fact but any "value" you supposedly have is virtual. 85% of USD doesn't exist -- people just think it does so we play this virtual game where it does.

(Not trying to detract from your statement, just adding in that people are risking far more than they realize. The only things that have true value are physical, tangible assets, like property, though we could argue that those are risky both economically and governmentally as well)

What is clearly understood, however, and examplified multiple times in the above post from this simian dudebro, is that as Einstein famously stated, "Very few things are infinite - but chief among them being human stupidity"

-> "..the accounts get easily it seems - [this somehow affects the bankroll]" <-

Of course any investment carries some risk otherwise it wouldn't be an investment

yes you gave cause I told you a few times do not PM me and post all in public

remember it

I told you a few times not to PM me and we can and should discuss all in public and you can show that MP is Transparent as all investors would like to see that MP is Transparent. but for this you would need to start to answer many open questions

here your PM and I will publish each PM of yours so please stop PMing me

Please realize there is a difference between suspicions of brand new created accounts re-iterating what you have repeatedly said and a member expressing his own opinion.

You said you don't want to be called a troll but you keep ignoring logic and sensibility.

I am 100% convinced you are trying to attack us by any means necessary even if it means relentlessly bending the truth. 

We don't mind users having an opinion.  It's their right.  We just don't want baseless comments and twisting of words.

I am here to have a long discussion and clear up your concerns. 

I don't have a problem with that.  You are so much better off focusing your energy on re-building your site than to repeatedly write libelous comments.

What's it going to take for you to stop?


why not show us the numbers cause numbers are convincing and people dont need to think wrong

and that you are involved in the BR is on your own risk as any other investor with one difference that the investors are not partner of MP and cant enjoy the % you earn and that is ok cause it is your business and you should earn but you shouldnt be involved in the BR and you would be fine earning wise

and again some unanswered questions

1st
is the statement of the trusted member correct or not? I mean can a dev work without server access? (does a way exist?)

the trusted member answered:
Sites shouldn't give server access to their developers. Does MP? It seems kind of dangerous to trust a stranger with a million dollars of other people's money.

2nd
please dont take my next question wrong cause we are looking for the fair play way. you and DD would be able to do a cheat as you both have full server access is that correct? ( I am not saying you do or did it)

isnt it interesting that all questions that are not comfortable for you guys are unanswered!!!

thank you very much for your detailed and in depth answer very much appreciated and to be frank this is the way of answers I was always awaiting from any serious guy or businessman because every question has an answer especially in the BTC scene and therefore we love BTC

if I understood you right under the line it is TRUST and to be frank we dont trust and we also dont ask others to trust us. so we will always need a solution where trust is taken out.

is the statement of the trusted member correct or not? I mean can a dev work without server access? (does a way exist?)

the trusted member answered:
Sites shouldn't give server access to their developers. Does MP? It seems kind of dangerous to trust a stranger with a million dollars of other people's money.

please dont take my next question wrong cause we are looking for the fair play way. you and DD would be able to do a cheat as you both have full server access is that correct? ( I am not saying you do or did it)


thank you again for the kind offer but we dont trust and this is the reason we will try to find a solution (for our own casino) where the dev will not have access to the important parts of the server where he could try a cheat. sadly we are to old to start to learn coding. I will wait till my grandson will be old enough

thx again

Jpr, I know that you are not a developer and are vaguely familiar with the industry.

Unfortunately, even a minimum wage job requires that an employer place some sort of trust in their employees. The job interview process exists to weed out untrustworthy and unfit candidates.

MoneyPot's industry is no different than the e-commerce organization's that I work at. Engineers are responsible for the creation and maintenance of the software, the implementation of the software, and the platforms that host that software.

If the owners of the e-commerce company that I work for were engineers, I wouldn't have a job. While they may have an understanding of how things work, they lack the technical skill to do what I do.

Development isn't as easy as deploy and go. As data is consumed, bugs are found, systems crash, and databases grow. As requests and users grow, performance is impacted. Its my job as an engineer to manage this and make sure everything plays nicely. That means at my full time job, I have theoretical access to personal data, credit information, and order information. I have to be trusted with that or I wouldn't be able to do my job.

In both situations, the programs and scripts that I write power the applications that my employers rely on. If I was to do something negligent, I wouldn't even need direct access to the database as I could do it behind the scenes through scripts. The MoneyPot ownership group has direct access to all of my scripts and operations. Database access is limited to DogeDigital and myself.

In MoneyPot's case, we have a system set up that logs every query into a UI that the owners can view. If an unrecognized query is detected through platform, we would know. We have permissions set on the various user accounts limiting access to certain operations. and have alerts deployed when servers are accessed.

In some cases, casino owners such as Douglus, Ryan, and Dean are technical and can manage their own platforms. That may not be exactly true for all, and thats why its important that they entrust developers as they focus on business operations.

I know that you as a casino owner haven't exactly had the best track record with developers. I understand that some may have screwed you and put a bad perception in your eyes. I'm sorry for this, but this goes back to my first point in this post: It is important to filter potential candidates.

In an effort to resolve our conflicts, I am more than willing to assist you in finding a confident developer and one that will help you going forward. Whether you go with Betking, Betbase, or on your own, you will need to learn how to place some sort of trust in your developer unless you have the knowledge to manage the systems that power your platform.

lets see if a dev has balls to chime in and explain it  to you


edit:
I found the following posting of a trusted member

a user posted this:
There have been sites scammed by their devs before, and it wasnt made public because the owners was too ashamed of trusting some dev they dont even know.

the trusted member answered:
Sites shouldn't give server access to their developers. Does MP? It seems kind of dangerous to trust a stranger with a million dollars of other people's money.

now my common sense is telling me that in case of MP or any other casino which should not give their devs access to the server (seeds) and the possibility to steal the BR that there must be an option for the devs to still do the work for MP or the casino.
please correct me if I am wrong! and if I am wrong I apologize to MP head dev CrazyCraig

 I see betkink and crypto-games best for invest..
right?

Jpr, clearly you do not know me. I am a senior engineer at a very very very reputable company. I know what I am talking about.

How is someone suppose to maintain the operation of a database without directly having access? I challenge you to answer that.

I as a non coder know that it can be done and I am sure an experienced dev can explain it better than me

So jpr, how am I suppose to develop and manage db structure, perform db maintence, etc if I don't have access?

another smart investor! congrats

did you already vote here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18547542

Losing that much bitcoins in this such investments is possible at all.Investors profits are depending on the players/users who wins or losses in the game.More wins by the users means more lose on the investors side.Maybe big percentage of players are winning by that date and the reason why investors lose that much money

That is a worry with moneypot profit sharing system. Moneypot always make a profit whether investors lose or make money and push all the losses to investors. Since many months investors never made any profit from this site. I moved my funds to cryptogames site around six months back and got a good profit.

Moneypot negative investor profit is very bad. How can investor lose so much but moneypot and dev profit?

I understand that there may be transparency issues and your believe that it is wrong for me to gamble on MP. The truth is, I could gamble behind the scenes and nobody would know. Doing it under my user account creates transparency and opens my play to the public. We log every query, anything abnormal sends an alert.

I am not a degenerate gambler. I gamble from time to time and am not dependent on gambling to survive. I did whale a point but quickly stopped when the value of bitcoin increased. At a brick and mortar casino, I play odds that relate to those of my bitcoin bets. $25-100, $200+ depending on certain circumstances.

There is nothing negative about owning an app on Moneypot. We are not in competition with each other. Stop looking at it like that. I have preached from day 1 that we need to operate together.

I created the app in an effort to learn and understand the API in a quick method. I would actually say this has been a positive for Moneypot because I have found bugs, have been able to relate with app owners, and have tailored future features around the experience I gathered owning an app.

Im not going to get involved in the business math / decisions of Moneypot. I am just a developer.

I also have nothing against you. I have never once created a shill to attack you. When I have voiced my frustrations with you its been under this account. I get frustrated with you at times because you fail to see my points and beat a dead horse.

Link?

What i heard is the Identity from the owners are known

Does anyone know the true identity of the money pot team?

Nearly one year ago MP Bankroll was only around 120BTC and maxpayout was 1.2BTC.

For me the biggest mistake is/was to lower the maxpayout to 0.5% from the bankroll. How should the IVP grow?

again wrong posting and calling me a Troll will not help you vice versa it shows you wont learn and stop talking BS and I call it an insult on my intellect. check my answer to your head dev

hi

I dont have any vendetta with MP I am just defending and not attacking

ok lets try to start a serious conversation/discussion with facts. I remember very well that we had some nice conversations (PMs) on slack when you started at MP

I also remember very well that you said the following about our app:
"your site has a good thing going for it.A solid Dev and you can take it to the next level. Truly thats all it really takes"

I really appreciated your comment.

but suddenly your changed your behavior and started to attack me and without any reason and even attacking normal users as my shill accounts.

IMO the head dev should not own an app because he has insider knowledge and always an advantage against any other app owner. he sure can have an app for testing but no one beside him and MP owners should have access to gamble on it.

you are gambling like a whale on your app and promised to stop and then started again. all those signs are showing to experienced casino owners (like us) that you are a gambler and a gambler should not have server seeds access and there should be no discussion about it. but sure we can do another Poll but IMO not needed cause it is again a question if 1 + 1 = 2?

why would you think it is an attack on your person? it is a given fact that a business like MP should not let the head dev or anyone with server seeds access gamble. I am sure if you think about it you will agree but if you just want to attack JPR you will say I am a Troll. it could be any other head dev working for MP. lets take Blacksheep aka AcoinL aka Matt etc he is also a gambler and I have nothing against gamblers but a gambler and MP owner it does not fit together and lets be clear about it that he had server seeds access at one point.

if MP owners and you would just accept the obvious stuff I am asking and talking about there should be no attack and I dont need to defend.

MP business model had a very good chance to work out very fine but looking at the BR you will agree that something went wrong and if MP will close or be sold again it is not because of JPR who asked some legit questions. MP did all the mistakes long ago.

please let me repeat that all my questions and postings are not to attack anyone but to get answers and fair solutions. but not giving any serious answers and only "soon" or you are a Troll will not satisfy me or any other normal person. I call it an attack of any ones intellect.

I hope you understand my point and we can get to a normal discussion with respect for each other

i could see why JackpotRacer nitpicking that particular part only but another user saying my English is bad! is it that bad or are you just messing with me.
i did some edits to make it more "grammatically correct" i hope that helped!

as a summary:
- the investment in moneypot is not the most profitable based on my observations.
- in the time i spent observing moneypot and also based on the link that i gave the loss was never big as OP claims.
- things that OP says such as accusing admins with database access to steal are just empty accusations without proof.

JPR I don't care what your vendetta is with Moneypot. Just please stop attacking me.

I'm just a developer and do not participate in business discussions. I have invested countless hours into the project. I'm invested myself and have not stolen. I'm actually in the process of buying 7-8 BTC and plan to invest more into MoneyPot.

You do not see what goes on in the backend, only the front. I am well aware that it might appear that little progress has been made. This is actually extremely false. I am a one man show managing servers, supporting legacy code, and developing for our future. We have several different platforms that power Moneypot.

I wasn't here in the beginning. I have been involved in the project since April? May? of last year and didn't take over the reins until June.

His language is hard to understand, I'm not sure what I'm going to say here is true, but I hope it helps you. He sees a lot of things develop, investment moneypot is an example of what he said. He has been looking at it for a long time, but it seems that the profit from it is not enough to attract him. And he has never seen an investment of any kind which is of great value - 400BTC for example. So, he needs the best ways to invest, and of course he does not need the accusations about it.
I hope I'm right with what he says, he has a very confusing language.
Regards
Paul

My experience with moneypot as an investor not so good for many months and so I just withdraw my investment and invested in other sites. Last time I also asked the question like why moneypot owners are not sharing losses and only taking profits? But somehow I didn't convince with the profit sharing model with investors so I just withdraw my funds. It is our money and no need to argue with the owners, if you think it is not for you then just not invest in it.

coul dyou please explain what you want to say with this paragraph? I really didnt understand it. you never saw 400 BTC! what do you mean? you never saw MP investors had 400 BTC profit? you didnt see deleted postings? how could you see deleted postings if it is not yours? I can show you a lot of my postings deleted by MP owner. but maybe I did not understand your point so please explain

thx

so much drama these days, what is up!

we know that investment moneypot (for some reason) has not bee the best for a long time. i watched it for a while when i wanted to invest and since i didn't see it as profitable i changed my mind. i never saw 400BTC or saw any deletion of posts or in general any shenanigan though. that is investment, some businesses are profitable and some aren't. learn to find the best to invest in, instead of making weird accusations.

there is also this topic here which had a public investment in moneypot and the OP of that thread stopped it since it wasn't going anywhere.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-gambling-investments-1585408

Lol so you suggest  he gambles the little money left he has on you I never heard about this 400btc loss of investors, something sure seems fishy there.

It seems moneypot is now at the bottom of wealth, i dont know the whole scenario but i remember JackPotRacer used to be best man advertising his app which was built on MP. Never-mind, if Dogetail wants to recover his money then i can suggest him to join me , i have fundamental trading project which is good and you can make upto 20% with it in 1 day, the major trade there is LISK , so let me know if you want investors to be paid off.

Regards,
Chevas

Oh. Ok. Got your point. Thanks.

you misunderstood me

RHavar called/titled Dogedigital in a posting in the old MP thread a clown (he wrote "you are behaving like a clown"). the clown is Dogedigital according to RHavar and it is not that I am saying that RHavar is a clown.

I hope I could clear this point and sorry for my bad english

cheers

Why do u call RHavar a clown? That guy appeared pretty sensible to me. Any context?

thx for posting your story and experience. may I ask to which site you switched with your investment? (no must though)

edit
did you see this Poll of mine?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1865749.new#new

That is indeed lucky sir , my situation was kind of similiar because i have invested about 0.6 btc at moneypot less than year ago, probably like 9 months.
However I have found out, that there is a site which attracts me more than moneypot, and also I have noticed that more bitcoins are being wagered in there- so i decided to switch.

Thank god I did this, I had moneypot in my bookmarks on the old browser I have had installed on my PC.
I have opened that browser like a week ago, and clicked on moneypot because I was just curious what is the profit of investors nowadays, and it was like WTF?

I still wonder if moneypot has bankrupt because of the bad money management, or because they have scammed their investors?
I think that someone with really big balance have made them broke, but 400 btc? That is a shit ton of money...

you are risking that Doge will call you a JPR shill 

thx for your posting and would you please be so kind and tell us why did you divest 7 month ago? any special reason?

MP owners will call it variance and in general I would agree with it but now I agree with you that their bankroll management was very bad and changing to often without knowing what they are doing

RHavar pointed this out long ago and told them that they will lose a big part of the BR

I am lucky, I cashed out my investment from Moneypot about 7 months ago.

What's happening there? losing 400 btc is not possible if they use a good bankroll management.

LOL you must be much more stupid than I thought or/and the clown RHavar titled you. do you really think I need to hide behind another nick name? I have the balls to voice my opinion and dont need another nick.

I remember very well where your sick gambler and head dev was talking to every nick as it was me LOL

you are the most unprofessional team ever and dont want to learn from your mistakes and only have one (wrong) answer = Trolling

you are a bunch of clowns and Trolls and many investors lost because of your unprofessional handling of the MP business model

you should apologize to all MP investors and players as the first step into the right direction and start new if you want to succeed with MP business and if not you will sell or die. it is written for a long time on the wall

a good example is  when you said to me that sadly  our app was not working out for us. lets take user and whale "jseonline" he was a very good customer of Jackpotracer app or lets take user and whale Molloype he also was a very good customer of Jackpotracer and you are saying our app didnt work out for us? LOL

are you living in a world of make believe? our app was top 3 app of MP if you like it or not and you killed it cause you thought if you buy and own many apps you will earn more especially when Jackpotracer app is gone LOL

you should take it as a business and not personal easy as that

waiting for AH yahoo to join in with a brown nosed comment

Good one JPR.  Gave me a chuckle

Where are the answers to these questions?

MoneyPot keeps deleting my post in their thread. They do not answer questions.

How is it investors lose 400 bitcoins in 6 months? When will MoneyPot repay investors?

How is it routine big winners?

Is MoneyPot's random broken?

Is the two or three admins with database access stealing? Is it their dev CrazyCraig? 

Why did investors boot JackpotRacer.com? JackpotRacer.com was the best MoneyPot game.

Maybe investors will boot Moneypot 

Good think JackpotRacer.com is coming back. They will take all of MoneyPot's investors.